On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 09:29:18PM +1100, Peter Donald wrote:
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To drive this point home, the subject line of this thread identifies
exactly one such set of duplication - between Turbine and Struts. My
nagging lead Berin to propose moving the Avalon collections code into
commons, to which you responded, and I quote, +/- 0.
I was hoping Jeff would do it as he seemed to be involved over there ;)
I saw the +/- 0, and that Berin hadn't voted, and then thought of how
this would look to Commons people: as a code dump; abandoned by it's
authors, singlehandedly maintained by someone who might disappear at any
moment (from their POV; I'm not going anywhere;). Quite a big ask.
Though if you're okay with it (forking is a bit.. impolite:), I'll make
an attempt sometime late Feb (after holidays.. wheee).
I have no time atm and no real motiviation to do it. Last time I was
on the list I watched 3 things be proposed to commons - nobody even
voted !!! There was no response whatsoever. Apparently Jeff has
similar comments when he offered some of the avalon bits over there.
'twasn't Avalon code, but yes.. it pains me to think of all those XML
doctype decls flying around, unchanged.. ;)
The lack of project-wide sense of responsibility is the biggest problem
for Commons (and jakarta-taglibs, incidentally). It's something I aim to
help solve the old-fashioned way.
* I no longer care about duplication and wheel reinvention (it will happen
anyway)
Yep, to a degree. Though without a simultaneous commitment to document
the resulting forks/duplications and preferably cull the old code, then
Jon's worst predictions will come true and we can kiss Jakarta goodbye
now.
You can say all you want that you predicted how commons would turn out -
but lack of participation by people such as yourself have made such
predictions self fulfilling prophesies.
Heres what sucks about commons;
1. People who are not associated with codebase nor ever contributed to it get
voting rights over codebase (who needs meritocracy anyways)
Has that turned out to be a problem in practice? Say if you think so,
and we can propose a modification to the charter: The votes of those
who haven't committed to a project are non-binding.
2. Stable packages still have to go via sandbox and go through that whole
painful voting process (yet more non-contributors getting votes over codebase)
3. Im not a committer
You are. 'donaldp' listed for jakarta-commons and
jakarta-commons-sandbox.
--Jeff
Change (1) and I will migrate the majority of excaalibur across in time (and
bitch and moan till (2)/(3) is changed). Change (1), (2) and (3) and I will
move stuff across tomorrow (though still take time to actually do releases).
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Cheers,
Pete
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