Re: Krysalis, Centipede, Generating docs with Cocoon?
*shrugs* On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 00:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 22/03/2002 11:58:20 PM: Perhaps you should contribute to the project. [snip] No point really. Your message to me suggests that you think I care whether you use centipede or not. You are mistaken. It works for me. If it works for you, cool. If not, use whatever. Be free. singingChorusEnd title=Born Free/ Done. I'll spend my time making site2 a better vehicle for docs. -Andy [snip] -- dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting Work: http://www.multitask.com.au Developers: http://www.multitask.com.au/developers -- http://www.superlinksoftware.com http://jakarta.apache.org/poi - port of Excel/Word/OLE 2 Compound Document format to java http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4487555.html - fix java generics! The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. -Ambassador Kosh -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Krysalis, Centipede, Generating docs with Cocoon?
On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 21:13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 22/03/2002 12:13:01 PM: On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 20:10, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I downloaded Krysalis and Centipede, hoping to find some easy way of building docs, but I was sorely disappointed. You have to know a ton of stuff about Cocoon, Cocoon's 'book' format (which isn't DocBook), and the other tools involved to even get your head around it. Umm... no not really. I just set it up today for work with no prob. you just have to have a book file in there and change all a's to links and thats pretty much it. Huh? You have to have a book file? What's a book file? What's allowed in it? http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs/~checkout~/jakarta-poi/src/documentation/xdocs/book.xml?rev=1.9content-type=text/plain The left nav bar basically. I believe there is an example included. If you have to setup and run Cocoon to generate a few HTML files, what's the point? At least the process with site.vsl and site.xsl is documented and easy to set up, and requires no special knowledge, for most commons projects. Centipede is a bit more than just a fancy way of doing sites. It is a project starter template with some pretty nice stuff for separating out ant targets and the such. I like it. You mean using entities to include files as the targets? That just made it harder for me to work out what was going on with the existing stuff. As a template, it's way lacking on how to use it. For me it was like, here's a sample project, feel free to hack it. 'Hack' == 'time'. I was hoping for something with more detail on how to use it. Perhaps you could contribute to the documentation. Personally, I didn't have such problems. (And I don't even mess with it on POI) If it's just for LF, I'd much rather tweak the existing stylesheets. I'm not sure why you had so much trouble. I barely put any effort in it at all today and got a project with complex dependencies and some doco out in like 0 time flat. And I don't proclaim to be a Cocoon expert or even particularly intelligent. :-) I'm not claiming either, either. Especially the intelligent part, and it is Friday :) What did you put in the sitemap? I did nothing to the sitemap What naming convention did you use for your files? Random mood of what I felt like with .xml as the extension (there are files included) What directory did you put them in? /src/documentation/xdocs? yes How did you work out what to put in the index.xml file? One example of what I put in the index.xml file (though I use an older version) was this http://www.trilug.org/~acoliver Where did you put the project specific images/css/js files? I didn't. Javascript is for losers. How did you include other files into the final directory structure? images. How did you change the build file so it didn't generate all the Krysalis stuff? edit project-info.xml change the name. The doc's and stuff well you already found those. There's no real explanation/docs on what to do with the directories/files provided. Perhaps you should contribute to the project. Anyway most of this doesn't belong here, but it gives you an idea of the sort questions that a 'user' might raise. You're preaching to the documentation choir. However build matters do not particularly interest me. I'm most interested in reducing object counts in low level file format ports ( http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4487555.html ) without sacrificing usability, improving the documentation to Cocoon, and adding application extensions to Lucene. Your message to me suggests that you think I care whether you use centipede or not. You are mistaken. It works for me. If it works for you, cool. If not, use whatever. Be free. singingChorusEnd title=Born Free/ -Andy -- dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting Work: http://www.multitask.com.au Developers: http://www.multitask.com.au/developers -- http://www.superlinksoftware.com http://jakarta.apache.org/poi - port of Excel/Word/OLE 2 Compound Document format to java http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4487555.html - fix java generics! The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. -Ambassador Kosh -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Krysalis, Centipede, Generating docs with Cocoon?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 22/03/2002 12:13:01 PM: Centipede is a bit more than just a fancy way of doing sites. It is a project starter template with some pretty nice stuff for separating out ant targets and the such. I like it. You mean using entities to include files as the targets? That just made it harder for me to work out what was going on with the existing stuff. As a template, it's way lacking on how to use it. For me it was like, here's a sample project, feel free to hack it. 'Hack' == 'time'. I was hoping for something with more detail on how to use it. All these points are correct, and you have my backing. Krysalis Centipede is in version 0.2, and it's still growing very fast. The docs will start to come out as soon as the structure stabilizes. Next version coming out next week will have: - multiple skin support (jakarta and xml.apache LF) - build target aliasing and description - basic docs on how to start, and the dir layout - gump descriptor integration with project-info - examples jar build, along with proper, scratchpad and contrib - new build script - endorsed jar dir, used by both build and tools - corrected dist target, with test run before jar generation - new testmodule target that tests all the build - new gump target - ready for automatic site update from Gump runs [snip] There's no real explanation/docs on what to do with the directories/files provided. Patches are welcome ;-) If any project wants to use Centipede in his build, we will help them get it running, as already done with Jakarta POI, xml-Forrest and Chaperon, and bring the benefits of cross-project pollination to the build. Since this topic doesn't properly belong to this list, I hope that this brief explanation of Krysalis Centipede will be enough to give a basic understanding of what the discussion was about and move interested users to krysalis.org . Thank you. -- Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] - verba volant, scripta manent - (discussions get forgotten, just code remains) - -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Krysalis, Centipede, Generating docs with Cocoon?
Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 22/03/2002 11:58:20 PM: Perhaps you should contribute to the project. [snip] No point really. Your message to me suggests that you think I care whether you use centipede or not. You are mistaken. It works for me. If it works for you, cool. If not, use whatever. Be free. singingChorusEnd title=Born Free/ Done. I'll spend my time making site2 a better vehicle for docs. -Andy [snip] -- dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting Work: http://www.multitask.com.au Developers: http://www.multitask.com.au/developers
Krysalis, Centipede, Generating docs with Cocoon?
I downloaded Krysalis and Centipede, hoping to find some easy way of building docs, but I was sorely disappointed. You have to know a ton of stuff about Cocoon, Cocoon's 'book' format (which isn't DocBook), and the other tools involved to even get your head around it. If you have to setup and run Cocoon to generate a few HTML files, what's the point? At least the process with site.vsl and site.xsl is documented and easy to set up, and requires no special knowledge, for most commons projects. If it's just for LF, I'd much rather tweak the existing stylesheets. -- dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting Work: http://www.multitask.com.au Developers: http://www.multitask.com.au/developers
Re: Krysalis, Centipede, Generating docs with Cocoon?
On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 20:10, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I downloaded Krysalis and Centipede, hoping to find some easy way of building docs, but I was sorely disappointed. You have to know a ton of stuff about Cocoon, Cocoon's 'book' format (which isn't DocBook), and the other tools involved to even get your head around it. Umm... no not really. I just set it up today for work with no prob. you just have to have a book file in there and change all a's to links and thats pretty much it. If you have to setup and run Cocoon to generate a few HTML files, what's the point? At least the process with site.vsl and site.xsl is documented and easy to set up, and requires no special knowledge, for most commons projects. Centipede is a bit more than just a fancy way of doing sites. It is a project starter template with some pretty nice stuff for separating out ant targets and the such. I like it. If it's just for LF, I'd much rather tweak the existing stylesheets. I'm not sure why you had so much trouble. I barely put any effort in it at all today and got a project with complex dependencies and some doco out in like 0 time flat. And I don't proclaim to be a Cocoon expert or even particularly intelligent. :-) -Andy -- dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting Work: http://www.multitask.com.au Developers: http://www.multitask.com.au/developers -- http://www.superlinksoftware.com http://jakarta.apache.org/poi - port of Excel/Word/OLE 2 Compound Document format to java http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4487555.html - fix java generics! The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. -Ambassador Kosh -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Krysalis, Centipede, Generating docs with Cocoon?
on 3/21/02 5:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At least the process with site.vsl and site.xsl is documented and easy to set up, and requires no special knowledge, for most commons projects. Imagine that. -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Krysalis, Centipede, Generating docs with Cocoon?
On Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 12:10:13PM +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I downloaded Krysalis and Centipede, hoping to find some easy way of building docs, but I was sorely disappointed. You have to know a ton of stuff about Cocoon, Cocoon's 'book' format (which isn't DocBook), and the other tools involved to even get your head around it. If you have to setup and run Cocoon to generate a few HTML files, what's the point? At least the process with site.vsl and site.xsl is documented and easy to set up, and requires no special knowledge, for most commons projects. export CVSROOT=:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvsroot/krysalis cvs login cvs co krysalis-centipede cd krysalis-centipede chmod +x build.sh ./build.sh docs Works fine for me. If you had problems, ask on the krysalis-users list. The doc format is standard Apache document-v10.dtd. You only need to edit the sitemap if your site has special needs, eg merging XML files before processing, Docbook - stylebook, stylebook - PDF, svg - .png. I find that being able to manage the generated site's URI space in one file is very handy. --Jeff If it's just for LF, I'd much rather tweak the existing stylesheets. -- dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting Work: http://www.multitask.com.au Developers: http://www.multitask.com.au/developers -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Krysalis, Centipede, Generating docs with Cocoon?
My 2 cents on printer friendly pages and documentation I still like the idea of a generated pdf document for the documentation. Avalon already provides a pdf file and I personally find it very useful. if cocoon/krysalis must be used to generate the website and (maybe) the pdf file, I really don't see the problem. I think people in this community are smart enough to deal with that issue. To ease the process, a separate ant file (jakarta.xml ?) can be provided, listing the required libraries, how to set up the environment and how to modify your actual xml files. -Vladimir -- Vladimir Bossicard www.bossicard.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Krysalis, Centipede, Generating docs with Cocoon?
Jeff Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 22/03/2002 12:43:37 PM: export CVSROOT=:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvsroot/krysalis cvs login cvs co krysalis-centipede cd krysalis-centipede chmod +x build.sh ./build.sh docs Works fine for me. If you had problems, ask on the krysalis-users list. It works for me too, but that just builds the existing stuff. If I want to customise it The doc format is standard Apache document-v10.dtd. You only need to 'standard Apache' - is that Cocoon? Got a URL. edit the sitemap if your site has special needs, eg merging XML files before processing, Docbook - stylebook, stylebook - PDF, svg - .png. And how am I to know that from the Centipede docs? I find that being able to manage the generated site's URI space in one file is very handy. It is, but there's no real detail on how to do it though. -- dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting Work: http://www.multitask.com.au Developers: http://www.multitask.com.au/developers
Re: Krysalis, Centipede, Generating docs with Cocoon?
Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 22/03/2002 12:13:01 PM: On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 20:10, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I downloaded Krysalis and Centipede, hoping to find some easy way of building docs, but I was sorely disappointed. You have to know a ton of stuff about Cocoon, Cocoon's 'book' format (which isn't DocBook), and the other tools involved to even get your head around it. Umm... no not really. I just set it up today for work with no prob. you just have to have a book file in there and change all a's to links and thats pretty much it. Huh? You have to have a book file? What's a book file? What's allowed in it? If you have to setup and run Cocoon to generate a few HTML files, what's the point? At least the process with site.vsl and site.xsl is documented and easy to set up, and requires no special knowledge, for most commons projects. Centipede is a bit more than just a fancy way of doing sites. It is a project starter template with some pretty nice stuff for separating out ant targets and the such. I like it. You mean using entities to include files as the targets? That just made it harder for me to work out what was going on with the existing stuff. As a template, it's way lacking on how to use it. For me it was like, here's a sample project, feel free to hack it. 'Hack' == 'time'. I was hoping for something with more detail on how to use it. If it's just for LF, I'd much rather tweak the existing stylesheets. I'm not sure why you had so much trouble. I barely put any effort in it at all today and got a project with complex dependencies and some doco out in like 0 time flat. And I don't proclaim to be a Cocoon expert or even particularly intelligent. :-) I'm not claiming either, either. Especially the intelligent part, and it is Friday :) What did you put in the sitemap? What naming convention did you use for your files? What directory did you put them in? /src/documentation/xdocs? How did you work out what to put in the index.xml file? Where did you put the project specific images/css/js files? How did you include other files into the final directory structure? How did you change the build file so it didn't generate all the Krysalis stuff? There's no real explanation/docs on what to do with the directories/files provided. Anyway most of this doesn't belong here, but it gives you an idea of the sort questions that a 'user' might raise. -- dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting Work: http://www.multitask.com.au Developers: http://www.multitask.com.au/developers
Re: Krysalis, Centipede, Generating docs with Cocoon?
Answered offlist. In the meanwhile, everyone pay homage to the jakarta-site2 docs: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/jakarta-site2.html and acknowledge that anything less ain't good enough for everyday Jakarta use. The DVSL-based system that Jason van Zyl mentioned sounds best: Yup, that's my fault. I will remedy the situation with PDFs. A very long time ago before Anakia we had PDFs being produced with stylebook. The Turbine and Velocity docs were actually available in PDF format. Anakia presented some problems that made it impossible to use the fop stuff we created but that is different now with DVSL. Long story short: you will have PDF docs for BCEL sooner rather than later. --Jeff On Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 01:13:48PM +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Works fine for me. If you had problems, ask on the krysalis-users list. It works for me too, but that just builds the existing stuff. If I want to customise it -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
