jakarta-site2 stylesheet makeover (was: RE: Printable pages)
Taking the release early, release often advice to heart, I've
applied changes mentioned to the page at the url I posted earlier
and started work on the site.vsl file in jakarta-site2 (which
basically means cutting out a whole lot of stuff).
I've got no real previous experience with either the module or
velocity, so there might be 'some' mistakes :) Wasn't quite able
to figure out how to do testing. Someone wanna lend a hand?
cheers,
- Leo, short on time(tm)
-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: Leo Simons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Verzonden: Sunday, March 24, 2002 10:00 PM
Aan: Jakarta General List
Onderwerp: RE: Printable pages
Berin:
In that case, the entire Jakarta site needs to be redesigned.
It makes use of embedded tables and font elements. It does
not use CSS at all.
Jon:
Correct.
Me:
I don't know much about anakia, but I know more about xhtml and css
than I do about java (sadly so =). I'll volunteer.
http://www.leosimons.com/scratchpad
site-proposal.vsl
Description: application/cnet-vsl
body, td {
background-color: white;
color: black;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 11pt;
}
p {
text-align: justify;
}
div {
margin: 0px;
padding: 0px;
}
h1, h2, h3, h4, h5, h6 {
background-color: #003366;
color: white;
font-family: Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;
font-weight: bold;
padding-left: 5px;
padding-right: 5px;
padding-top: 2px;
padding-bottom: 2px;
margin: 0px;
}
h1 {
font-size: 18pt;
}
h2 {
font-size: 13pt;
}
h3 {
font-size: 11pt;
}
h4 {
font-size: 10pt;
}
h5 {
font-size: 10pt;
}
h6 {
font-size: 10pt;
}
a, a:visited {
color: #336699;
}
a:hover, a:active {
color: #003366;;
}
#contents div { margin-left: 40px; }
#breadcrumbs {
border-top: 1px solid #003366;
border-bottom: 1px solid #003366;
margin-top: 10px;
margin-bottom: 20px;
padding-top: 0px;
padding-bottom: 2px;
padding-left: 10px;
font-size: 10pt;
font-weight: bold;
}
#menu {
border-top: 1px solid #003366;
border-left: 1px solid #003366;
border-right: 1px solid #003366;
border-bottom: 1px solid #003366;
width: 175px;
}
#submenu ul {
margin-top: 5px;
margin-bottom: 5px;
margin-left: 25px;
}
#footer {
border-top: 1px solid #003366;
margin-top: 20px;
padding: 3px;
text-align: center;
font-size: 9pt;
font-style: italic;
}
a.breadcrumbs, a.breadcrumbs:visited, a.menu, a.menu:visited {
font-size: 10pt;
font-weight: bold;
text-decoration: none;
}
a.breadcrumbs:hover, a.breadcrumbs:active, a.menu:hover, a.menu:active {
text-decoration: underline;
}
.code {
font-family: Courier, Courier New, monospace;
}
.section .code {
margin-left: -40px;
}
@media print {
body td {
font-family: Times New Roman, Zurich Bt, serif;
font-size: 10pt;
}
h1 h2 h3 h4 h5 h6 {
page-break-after: avoid;
color: black;
background-color: transparent;
padding: 0px;
}
h1 {
margin-left: 40px;
}
h2 {
margin-left: 80px;
}
h3 {
margin-left: 120px;
}
h4 {
margin-left: 160px;
font-style: italic;
}
#menu h4 {
margin-left: 0px;
}
h5 {
text-align: center;
}
h6 {
text-align: center;
font-style: italic;
}
.code {
page-break-inside: avoid;
}
p ul {
page-break-inside: avoid;
}
.section .code {
margin-left: 0px;
}
#menu {
display: none;
width: 0px;
}
#contents div {
margin: 0px;
}
}
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Re: Printable pages
- Original Message - From: Leo Simons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 8:59 PM Subject: RE: Printable pages Berin: In that case, the entire Jakarta site needs to be redesigned. It makes use of embedded tables and font elements. It does not use CSS at all. Jon: Correct. Me: I don't know much about anakia, but I know more about xhtml and css than I do about java (sadly so =). I'll volunteer. http://www.leosimons.com/scratchpad (note I tried to put this in CVS but have no karma so...) Here's a design I've had lying around adapted to Jakarta. Two screen shots using IE 5.5, one is normal the other is print preview. I should be able to make this work (more or less, at least) in everything from NS2.x upwards. HTML also available for browsing. The main problem is the code sections. If the line is too long to fit on screen or page, it causes the entire page to break out, which is ugly. The only thing I can think of is to use a css float: left directive with @print, which cuts of a bit of the code. That, and adapting the pages manually to keep the line length at bay. Suggestions? Of course, colors are adaptable to current ones if desired... thoughts? Is this wanted? Looks good to me, certainly better than the avalon section as it stands IMHO, just a couple of points though. I like the Apache.org Jakarta Avalon Framework: depth indication - would be great to see this applied across the board. I can't decide which way around I like the logos at the top but in this arrangement the jakarta.gif could do with losing the whitespace to the right because at the moment it looks all misaligned - especially when squashed in print (maybe we could use half size versions in print - not thought this through yet though). I like the menu on the left being boxed but can't see how its that useful in print - why not use a @print display:none so that browsers with decent css / printing support don't print it at all - this would allow lots more space for printing, and so less concern about overflowing code. Colour scheme looks great on screen (quite like the print version for screen too - but bolder is probably better), but in print my preference is for high contrast and so I would prefer black rather than grey for the headings - If its going to come out grey on black and white printers then maybe choose the blue instead to add a bit more contrast to colour prints. Just my 2p, Rob cheers, - Leo Simons -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Printable pages
thoughts? Is this wanted? Looks good to me, certainly better than the avalon section as it stands IMHO, just a couple of points though. I like the Apache.org Jakarta Avalon Framework: depth indication - would be great to see this applied across the board. I can't decide which way around I like the logos at the top but in this nor can I =) Probably the current arrangement is better. (maybe we could use half size versions in print - not thought this through yet though). that's what I would like to do. To apply this across the board means we need to create smaller logos for all projects first, because text might become unreadable otherwise. I like the menu on the left being boxed but can't see how its that useful in print - why not use a @print display:none I haven't actually done a print-specific stylesheet yet. The print preview was more to show what would print for browsers that don't support @print. (my IE has background printing disabled by default, so it decides to print the headers in grey for some reason) Will do as suggested tho'. but in print my preference is for high contrast and so I would prefer black rather than grey for the headings - If its going to come out grey on black and white printers then maybe choose the blue instead to add a bit more contrast to colour prints. my thoughts exactly...will do. Just my 2p, thanks! regards, - Leo __ Launch your own web site Today! Create a Web site for your family, friends, photos, or a special event. Visit: http://www.namezero.com/sitebuilder -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Printable pages
Berin: In that case, the entire Jakarta site needs to be redesigned. It makes use of embedded tables and font elements. It does not use CSS at all. Jon: Correct. Me: I don't know much about anakia, but I know more about xhtml and css than I do about java (sadly so =). I'll volunteer. http://www.leosimons.com/scratchpad (note I tried to put this in CVS but have no karma so...) Here's a design I've had lying around adapted to Jakarta. Two screen shots using IE 5.5, one is normal the other is print preview. I should be able to make this work (more or less, at least) in everything from NS2.x upwards. HTML also available for browsing. The main problem is the code sections. If the line is too long to fit on screen or page, it causes the entire page to break out, which is ugly. The only thing I can think of is to use a css float: left directive with @print, which cuts of a bit of the code. That, and adapting the pages manually to keep the line length at bay. Suggestions? Of course, colors are adaptable to current ones if desired... thoughts? Is this wanted? cheers, - Leo Simons -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Printable pages
Leo Simons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 25/03/2002 07:59:47 AM: Berin: In that case, the entire Jakarta site needs to be redesigned. It makes use of embedded tables and font elements. It does not use CSS at all. Jon: Correct. Me: I don't know much about anakia, but I know more about xhtml and css than I do about java (sadly so =). I'll volunteer. http://www.leosimons.com/scratchpad (note I tried to put this in CVS but have no karma so...) Here's a design I've had lying around adapted to Jakarta. Two screen shots using IE 5.5, one is normal the other is print preview. I should be able to make this work (more or less, at least) in everything from NS2.x upwards. HTML also available for browsing. These look good. The main problem is the code sections. If the line is too long to fit on screen or page, it causes the entire page to break out, which is ugly. The only thing I can think of is to use a css float: left directive with @print, which cuts of a bit of the code. That, and adapting the pages manually to keep the line length at bay. Suggestions? Of course, colors are adaptable to current ones if desired... thoughts? Is this wanted? I'm willing to trial this with Latka, since it uses it's own copy of site.xsl (I've been playing this week). Feel like helping on the stylesheet? -- dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting Work: http://www.multitask.com.au Developers: http://www.multitask.com.au/developers
Re: Printable pages
On 3/21/02 7:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please tell me you committed them back to site.vsl? No... The .xsl was derived from Jon's .vsl (for Anakia) but missed a few small things.Since DVSL uses a declarative matching style like XSL, the .dvsl was cribbed from the .xsl (simple replacement of some of the pointy stuff...). The .xsl didn't produce the same output as the .vsl, so I fixed that in the .dvsl. geir -- dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting Work: http://www.multitask.com.au Developers: http://www.multitask.com.au/developers Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 22/03/2002 09:51:46 AM: On 3/21/02 5:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Berin Loritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 22/03/2002 08:13:31 AM: -Original Message- From: Jon Scott Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 4:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Printable pages on 3/21/02 12:57 PM, Berin Loritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In that case, the entire Jakarta site needs to be redesigned. It makes use of embedded tables and font elements. It does not use CSS at all. Correct. My long time goal has been to convert the Jakarta site over to use Scarab's stylesheets since it has been created by a CSS expert (who works for CollabNet) and it also looks better visually...it works extremely well in all browsers. I also want to switch from Anakia to DVSL so that all you XSLT weenies can stop crying about Anakia's inability to be declarative. :-) Being one of the XSLT weenies, could we use the site.xsl as the basis for site.dvsl? Last I checked, they were in sync. Not that I know squat about vsl : Actually, I took site.xsl as the basis for the site.dvsl that is in the dvsl project. It was so easy to do. Also it fixed a few things that craig left out via copy() :) geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] System and Software Consulting Age and treachery will always triumph over youth and talent -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] System and Software Consulting They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Printable pages
On Fri, 2002-03-22 at 02:50, Stefan Bodewig wrote: On 21 Mar 2002, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 16:53, Ted Husted wrote: I would be -1 on a product change that made the main Jakarta web site inaccessible with Netscape 4.x. Why...how long has Netscape 6 been out 1yr. True, but not everybody is allowed to upgrade. Quite a few of our (Jakarta's) users sit behind corporate firewalls at machines they don't have administrative access to and are not allowed to install additional software. Ahh. Okay, now I understand. BTW, you don't need admin rights to install Mozilla. If you don't use the installer version you just unzip it in a directory and run it. BTW, you should bug your admins to upgrade. Stefan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.superlinksoftware.com http://jakarta.apache.org/poi - port of Excel/Word/OLE 2 Compound Document format to java http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4487555.html - fix java generics! The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. -Ambassador Kosh -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Printable pages
On Fri, 2002-03-22 at 02:57, Jon Scott Stevens wrote: on 3/21/02 11:50 PM, Stefan Bodewig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: True, but not everybody is allowed to upgrade. Quite a few of our (Jakarta's) users sit behind corporate firewalls at machines they don't have administrative access to and are not allowed to install additional software. Stefan Rebel. Don't let The Man beat you down. +1! You rock Jon. -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.superlinksoftware.com http://jakarta.apache.org/poi - port of Excel/Word/OLE 2 Compound Document format to java http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4487555.html - fix java generics! The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. -Ambassador Kosh -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Printable pages
On 22 Mar 2002, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, you don't need admin rights to install Mozilla. There may be a difference between what you can do and what you are allowed to do 8-) BTW, you should bug your admins to upgrade. I'm happily using mozilla-0.9.9, thanks. I was not talking about myself. Stefan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Printable pages
Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 22/03/2002 07:28:46 PM: On 3/21/02 7:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please tell me you committed them back to site.vsl? No... The .xsl was derived from Jon's .vsl (for Anakia) but missed a few small things.Since DVSL uses a declarative matching style like XSL, the .dvsl was cribbed from the .xsl (simple replacement of some of the pointy stuff...). The .xsl didn't produce the same output as the .vsl, so I fixed that in the .dvsl. Ok, can you point me to the dvsl file so that I can check it and integrate the differences back into the site.xsl? I'd much rather be using the same style/functionality for Latka as the rest of commons. Thanks, geir -- dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting Work: http://www.multitask.com.au Developers: http://www.multitask.com.au/developers Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 22/03/2002 09:51:46 AM: On 3/21/02 5:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Berin Loritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 22/03/2002 08:13:31 AM: -Original Message- From: Jon Scott Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 4:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Printable pages on 3/21/02 12:57 PM, Berin Loritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In that case, the entire Jakarta site needs to be redesigned. It makes use of embedded tables and font elements. It does not use CSS at all. Correct. My long time goal has been to convert the Jakarta site over to use Scarab's stylesheets since it has been created by a CSS expert (who works for CollabNet) and it also looks better visually...it works extremely well in all browsers. I also want to switch from Anakia to DVSL so that all you XSLT weenies can stop crying about Anakia's inability to be declarative. :-) Being one of the XSLT weenies, could we use the site.xsl as the basis for site.dvsl? Last I checked, they were in sync. Not that I know squat about vsl : Actually, I took site.xsl as the basis for the site.dvsl that is in the dvsl project. It was so easy to do. Also it fixed a few things that craig left out via copy() :) geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] System and Software Consulting Age and treachery will always triumph over youth and talent -- dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting Work: http://www.multitask.com.au Developers: http://www.multitask.com.au/developers
Printable pages
Could we have two templates for the jakarta pages? The problem is that the embedded tables inside tables inside tables inside tables ... approach of the default template causes many very useful pages to not print nicely. We need a nice template that produces printable pages. That means that the pages will not do fancy things with tables. It should be simple, using CSS to style the text (this works on all 4.0 or better browsers), with only a link to the referring page. I tried looking at the BCEL manual, and while it looks nice on screen, when I tried to print it out it cut off almost two inches of text. With a printable page template, we can run the templates twice. Once to provide the current look, another to provide the printable page spec. The problem with the BCEL manual presents itself in many situations, such as with the Turbine documentation, or just about any project. That is why on the Avalon site we created a PDF document of our developer's doc. It is important that users learn how to use our projects--and printable documentation makes that possible. I learn best when my reference material is on an 8.5 x 11 sheet of paper next to my machine so that I can refer to it as I am working in the source code editor. To make things easier on ourselves, we could make all printable pages show up in a new window--then just have the printable pages close the window they are in when you click on the link. They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Printable pages
On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 08:39, Berin Loritsch wrote: I tried looking at the BCEL manual, and while it looks nice on screen, when I tried to print it out it cut off almost two inches of text. Yup, that's my fault. I will remedy the situation with PDFs. A very long time ago before Anakia we had PDFs being produced with stylebook. The Turbine and Velocity docs were actually available in PDF format. Anakia presented some problems that made it impossible to use the fop stuff we created but that is different now with DVSL. Long story short: you will have PDF docs for BCEL sooner rather than later. They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- jvz. Jason van Zyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://tambora.zenplex.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Printable pages
On 3/21/02 11:17 AM, Jason van Zyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 08:39, Berin Loritsch wrote: I tried looking at the BCEL manual, and while it looks nice on screen, when I tried to print it out it cut off almost two inches of text. Yup, that's my fault. I will remedy the situation with PDFs. A very long time ago before Anakia we had PDFs being produced with stylebook. The Turbine and Velocity docs were actually available in PDF format. Anakia presented some problems that made it impossible to use the fop stuff we created but that is different now with DVSL. Long story short: you will have PDF docs for BCEL sooner rather than later. Did you try to use the printable target? There is a second stylesheet that generates a printer-friendly version of the docs. -- Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] System and Software Consulting POC lives! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Printable pages
My point is that every page should have a link to the printable format. The normal Jakarta layout is not printer friendly, and the main site does not have a link to printer friendly docs. We should have a standard for Jakarta that will always have printer friendly docs for people to use. Whether it is in the form of PDF docs or just printerfriendly HTML docs I really don't care. -Original Message- From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 1:57 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: Printable pages On 3/21/02 11:17 AM, Jason van Zyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 08:39, Berin Loritsch wrote: I tried looking at the BCEL manual, and while it looks nice on screen, when I tried to print it out it cut off almost two inches of text. Yup, that's my fault. I will remedy the situation with PDFs. A very long time ago before Anakia we had PDFs being produced with stylebook. The Turbine and Velocity docs were actually available in PDF format. Anakia presented some problems that made it impossible to use the fop stuff we created but that is different now with DVSL. Long story short: you will have PDF docs for BCEL sooner rather than later. Did you try to use the printable target? There is a second stylesheet that generates a printer-friendly version of the docs. -- Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] System and Software Consulting POC lives! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general- [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Printable pages
What I would like to do regarding this is to not have to generate two sets of pages or have to generate PDF files as well as HTML. I would rather see the Jakarta site/stylesheet to use CSS and take advantage of the link tag to have a printable stylesheet... This is what Scarab does... link rel=stylesheet type=text/css href=/scarab/style/print.css media=print / -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Printable pages
In that case, the entire Jakarta site needs to be redesigned. It makes use of embedded tables and font elements. It does not use CSS at all. We also have issues with older browsers. Only versions 5.5 and later will support the Print stylesheet. IE 5.5+ Netscape 6 Mozilla Anything before that, and you can't count on the stylesheet working. -Original Message- From: Jon Scott Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 3:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Printable pages What I would like to do regarding this is to not have to generate two sets of pages or have to generate PDF files as well as HTML. I would rather see the Jakarta site/stylesheet to use CSS and take advantage of the link tag to have a printable stylesheet... This is what Scarab does... link rel=stylesheet type=text/css href=/scarab/style/print.css media=print / -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general- [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Printable pages
on 3/21/02 12:57 PM, Berin Loritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In that case, the entire Jakarta site needs to be redesigned. It makes use of embedded tables and font elements. It does not use CSS at all. Correct. My long time goal has been to convert the Jakarta site over to use Scarab's stylesheets since it has been created by a CSS expert (who works for CollabNet) and it also looks better visually...it works extremely well in all browsers. I also want to switch from Anakia to DVSL so that all you XSLT weenies can stop crying about Anakia's inability to be declarative. :-) We also have issues with older browsers. Only versions 5.5 and later will support the Print stylesheet. IE 5.5+ Netscape 6 Mozilla Anything before that, and you can't count on the stylesheet working. I'm ok with that. Netscape 6 and IE 5.5 are released versions of the latest technologies. If those new technologies support the features we need, then lets require them for those features. It is like the big switch from JDK 1.1 to JDK 1.2. :-) -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Printable pages
-Original Message- From: Jon Scott Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 4:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Printable pages on 3/21/02 12:57 PM, Berin Loritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In that case, the entire Jakarta site needs to be redesigned. It makes use of embedded tables and font elements. It does not use CSS at all. Correct. My long time goal has been to convert the Jakarta site over to use Scarab's stylesheets since it has been created by a CSS expert (who works for CollabNet) and it also looks better visually...it works extremely well in all browsers. I also want to switch from Anakia to DVSL so that all you XSLT weenies can stop crying about Anakia's inability to be declarative. :-) Then here is my +20, let's get this going! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Printable pages
on 3/21/02 12:57 PM, Berin Loritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In that case, the entire Jakarta site needs to be redesigned. It makes use of embedded tables and font elements. It does not use CSS at all. Correct. I don't know much about anakia, but I know more about xhtml and css than I do about java (sadly so =). I'll volunteer. I will probably need help with Anakia, though. IMHO, a website should be accessible using: - pentium 200 - 800x600X16bit - IE 4+ - NS 5+ - Opera 5+ - other standards compliant (or almost) browsers like konqueror And I mean totally viewable and printable. This is possible while also being xhtml 1.0 and CSS 1 compliant. While I'm at it, will I offend anyone if I change some stuff (like the blue in the subprojects bit on the front page =)? If not, send in a few feature requests if you want to. Stressing a few. We also have issues with older browsers. Only versions 5.5 and later will support the Print stylesheet. IE 5.5+ Netscape 6 Mozilla Anything before that, and you can't count on the stylesheet working. I'm ok with that. I'm not. There is no reason for advanced graphical stuff on a site about programming stuff. Requiring JDK1.3, megs of libraries to download, reading 6 books on programming techniques first, etc, I'm okay with that, but lets avoid browsers wars! Netscape 6 and IE 5.5 are released versions of the latest technologies. If those new technologies support the features we need, then lets require them for those features. It is like the big switch from JDK 1.1 to JDK 1.2. :-) IMHO, Netscape sucks on the UI part. IE doesn't run on *nix... Anyway, I'll just shut up and do it...I have no time really but I'll try and finish somewhere next week. You guys okay with that? grz, - Leo Simons -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Printable pages
Jon Scott Stevens wrote: I'm ok with that. Netscape 6 and IE 5.5 are released versions of the latest technologies. If those new technologies support the features we need, then lets require them for those features. It is like the big switch from JDK 1.1 to JDK 1.2. :-) I agree that a more printable site would be a good thing, but I don't know if I would classify this as as a feature we desperately *need* -- if it means forcing people to change browsers just to access the Jakarta web site. I would be -1 on a product change that made the main Jakarta web site inaccessible with Netscape 4.x. Of course, what each individual subproject does with their own area is up to their own comitters. -- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY US -- Developing Java Web Applications with Struts -- Web: http://husted.com/struts -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Printable pages
Berin Loritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 22/03/2002 08:13:31 AM: -Original Message- From: Jon Scott Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 4:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Printable pages on 3/21/02 12:57 PM, Berin Loritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In that case, the entire Jakarta site needs to be redesigned. It makes use of embedded tables and font elements. It does not use CSS at all. Correct. My long time goal has been to convert the Jakarta site over to use Scarab's stylesheets since it has been created by a CSS expert (who works for CollabNet) and it also looks better visually...it works extremely well in all browsers. I also want to switch from Anakia to DVSL so that all you XSLT weenies can stop crying about Anakia's inability to be declarative. :-) Being one of the XSLT weenies, could we use the site.xsl as the basis for site.dvsl? Last I checked, they were in sync. Not that I know squat about vsl :) Then here is my +20, let's get this going! I'm keen. Where do we start? -- dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting Work: http://www.multitask.com.au Developers: http://www.multitask.com.au/developers
Re: Printable pages
On 3/21/02 5:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Berin Loritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 22/03/2002 08:13:31 AM: -Original Message- From: Jon Scott Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 4:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Printable pages on 3/21/02 12:57 PM, Berin Loritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In that case, the entire Jakarta site needs to be redesigned. It makes use of embedded tables and font elements. It does not use CSS at all. Correct. My long time goal has been to convert the Jakarta site over to use Scarab's stylesheets since it has been created by a CSS expert (who works for CollabNet) and it also looks better visually...it works extremely well in all browsers. I also want to switch from Anakia to DVSL so that all you XSLT weenies can stop crying about Anakia's inability to be declarative. :-) Being one of the XSLT weenies, could we use the site.xsl as the basis for site.dvsl? Last I checked, they were in sync. Not that I know squat about vsl : Actually, I took site.xsl as the basis for the site.dvsl that is in the dvsl project. It was so easy to do. Also it fixed a few things that craig left out via copy() :) geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] System and Software Consulting Age and treachery will always triumph over youth and talent -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Printable pages
on 3/21/02 1:53 PM, Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jon Scott Stevens wrote: I'm ok with that. Netscape 6 and IE 5.5 are released versions of the latest technologies. If those new technologies support the features we need, then lets require them for those features. It is like the big switch from JDK 1.1 to JDK 1.2. :-) I agree that a more printable site would be a good thing, but I don't know if I would classify this as as a feature we desperately *need* -- if it means forcing people to change browsers just to access the Jakarta web site. I would be -1 on a product change that made the main Jakarta web site inaccessible with Netscape 4.x. I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT REQUIRING A CERTAIN BROWSER VERSION TO ACCESS THE WEBSITE. Geeezz ted... -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Printable pages
on 3/21/02 2:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Being one of the XSLT weenies, could we use the site.xsl as the basis for site.dvsl? Last I checked, they were in sync. Not that I know squat about vsl :) I'm talking about re-doing the stylesheets entirely. There is no 'basis' other than the rules defined in the Scarab DTD/CSS. -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Printable pages
Please tell me you committed them back to site.vsl? -- dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting Work: http://www.multitask.com.au Developers: http://www.multitask.com.au/developers Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 22/03/2002 09:51:46 AM: On 3/21/02 5:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Berin Loritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 22/03/2002 08:13:31 AM: -Original Message- From: Jon Scott Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 4:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Printable pages on 3/21/02 12:57 PM, Berin Loritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In that case, the entire Jakarta site needs to be redesigned. It makes use of embedded tables and font elements. It does not use CSS at all. Correct. My long time goal has been to convert the Jakarta site over to use Scarab's stylesheets since it has been created by a CSS expert (who works for CollabNet) and it also looks better visually...it works extremely well in all browsers. I also want to switch from Anakia to DVSL so that all you XSLT weenies can stop crying about Anakia's inability to be declarative. :-) Being one of the XSLT weenies, could we use the site.xsl as the basis for site.dvsl? Last I checked, they were in sync. Not that I know squat about vsl : Actually, I took site.xsl as the basis for the site.dvsl that is in the dvsl project. It was so easy to do. Also it fixed a few things that craig left out via copy() :) geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] System and Software Consulting Age and treachery will always triumph over youth and talent -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Printable pages
On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 16:53, Ted Husted wrote: Jon Scott Stevens wrote: I'm ok with that. Netscape 6 and IE 5.5 are released versions of the latest technologies. If those new technologies support the features we need, then lets require them for those features. It is like the big switch from JDK 1.1 to JDK 1.2. :-) I agree that a more printable site would be a good thing, but I don't know if I would classify this as as a feature we desperately *need* -- if it means forcing people to change browsers just to access the Jakarta web site. I would be -1 on a product change that made the main Jakarta web site inaccessible with Netscape 4.x. Why...how long has Netscape 6 been out 1yr. I'm curious at which point one may consider it deprecated. Is there some compelling reason for any group not to upgrade to NS6 or Mozilla? Don't get me wrong... I think Ken has fixed the POI site when the site refreshes next, but I'm just curious when one may consider that thing dead and gone and good riddens (the whole 4.x series of NS sucked) Of course, what each individual subproject does with their own area is up to their own comitters. -- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY US -- Developing Java Web Applications with Struts -- Web: http://husted.com/struts -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.superlinksoftware.com http://jakarta.apache.org/poi - port of Excel/Word/OLE 2 Compound Document format to java http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4487555.html - fix java generics! The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. -Ambassador Kosh -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
