Re: the story continues... JSPA community draft ballot results
Steven Noels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sad, but true: http://jcp.org/jsr/results/99-7-1.jsp /Steven I don't know how much sadness there is in that vote. Of course it's not a victory, but reading from the comments of the different voters (at the bottom), the issues we raised were listened to, and given some thought. Especially if you read Caldera's and Apple's comments (two corporations really close to the open-source world - Caldera=Linux and Apple=Darwin - and who both voted yes), I feel that it might be ok now, but many will be watching in the future. But I believe that it really depends with what eyes you look at it (although I bet that at Sun they're celebrating! :) Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: the story continues... JSPA community draft ballot results
Pier Fumagalli wrote: I don't know how much sadness there is in that vote. Of course it's not a victory, but reading from the comments of the different voters (at the bottom), the issues we raised were listened to, and given some thought. Well, this is a vote prior to going public draft, so hopefully we are still able to raise even more attention and really get what we want. The comments of IBM and the like clearly indicate to me that the revised JSPA will be 'nirvana'. /Steven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: the story continues... JSPA community draft ballot results
I wrote: The comments of IBM and the like clearly indicate to me that the revised JSPA will be 'nirvana'. ^^^ Uh-oh... 'not be nirvana', of course. Must go to bed ;-) /Steven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: the story continues... JSPA community draft ballot results
Still I think it is time for a Jon style headline on the front page. Perhaps something with shock appeal like JSPA Vote Screws open source and makes Microsoft look open -- Just my opinion. Send a press release to CNET this time, they were quite interested. -Andy On Wed, 2002-03-13 at 17:42, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Steven Noels wrote: Sad, but true: http://jcp.org/jsr/results/99-7-1.jsp Do not despair - you got something good - some biggies being quite vocal and supportive of a standpoint univocally attributed to apache -and- generally considered as reasonable and lofty. And rightly so ! The above page, and comments, are public. And this will be seen and will be picked up by the industry. Really - the pressure is all on SUN to fix things. And some big companies have said in public that they expect tangible fixes. Good work guys ! Dw -- Dirk-Willem van Gulik Comments From http://jcp.org/jsr/results/99-7-1.jsp: From On 11-Mar-2002, Apple voted YES with the following comment: Apple fully supports the issues that have been raised by Apache and others, but the new JSPA represents a good step forward relative to the current one. W On 11-Mar-2002, Apple voted YES with the following comment: Apple fully supports the issues that have been raised by Apache and others, but the new JSPA represents a good step forward relative to the current one. We believe taking this to community review may provide the input that is needed to refine the JSPA before it goes to public review. During the community review, we would like to work with the PMO to refine the JSPA to better reflect the needs of those participating in open source efforts. -- On 11-Mar-2002, HP voted YES with no comment. -- On 11-Mar-2002, Borland voted YES with no comment. -- On 11-Mar-2002, Fujitsu voted YES with no comment. -- On 11-Mar-2002, Oracle voted YES with no comment. -- *** On 11-Mar-2002, Macromedia voted NO with the following comment: The free and creative spirit of the JCP should be directly and clearly manifested and protected legally. The major objections from the open source community argue that this is not the case, and we feel that the current language does not directly quell these concerns. We would like to see the issues that Apache raises on behalf of the open source community resolved in the JSPA itself before moving forward. -- *** On 11-Mar-2002, BEA voted NO with the following comment: After considerable soul searching, BEA has decided to vote NO on this revision of the JSPA. While considerable effort has been exerted by all concerned and significant progress has been made, we still are not convinced that this JSPA would provide the level playing field we have long advocated for Java technologies. The concerns voice by Apache and the open source community is one avenue of concern as is the autocratic power that continues to be vested in spec leads enabling them to attempt mischief to obtain competitive advantage by controlling both the pace of innovation and the availability of that innovation to the marketplace. Unless and until these issues can be satisfactorily addressed, we prefer to stick with our current agreements. -- On 11-Mar-2002, Caldera voted YES with the following comment: Caldera agree with a lot of the concerns expressed by Apache. We would like to see more to be done to protect the interests of open source providers. -- *** On 11-Mar-2002, Compaq voted NO with the following comment: Compaq shares Apache's concerns and IBM's concerns that the JSPA proposed revision provides insufficient protection for interests of open source providers and competitors (as enumerated at http://jakarta.apache.org/site/jspa-position.html). Compaq must therefor vote no on this proposed revision -- On 11-Mar-2002, IONA voted YES with no comment. -- On 09-Mar-2002, Doug Lea ABSTAINED FROM VOTING with the following comment: I share most of Apache's concerns. However, I also think that it would be useful to open this up to the scrutiny of all JCP members, not just the EC. These two factors cancel themsleves out, hence I
Re: the story continues... JSPA community draft ballot results
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steven Noels [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sad, but true: http://jcp.org/jsr/results/99-7-1.jsp I demand a recount! :) OK... this is strange: On 11-Mar-2002, Caldera voted YES with the following comment: Caldera agree with a lot of the concerns expressed by Apache. We would like to see more to be done to protect the interests of open source providers. Did Caldera understand what they voted for? If they agree with Apache why did they vote yes? Kevin - -- Kevin A. Burton ( [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) Location - San Francisco, CA, Cell - 415.595.9965 Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED], Web - http://relativity.yi.org/ Learn from other people's mistakes, you don't have time to make your own. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Get my public key at: http://relativity.yi.org/pgpkey.txt iD8DBQE8j+Q3AwM6xb2dfE0RAsR4AJ4l845WxXM8X8Vn83rCvnGrlGWTRgCfbMGu hOiZLoxfiqM/8bx2Kpkt2Ho= =kYgJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: the story continues... JSPA community draft ballot results
On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Sam Ruby wrote: Caldera agree with a lot of the concerns expressed by Apache. We would like to see more to be done to protect the interests of open source providers. Did Caldera understand what they voted for? If they agree with Apache why did they vote yes? Apparently, Apple, Caldera, and Doug Lea each felt that these issues are resolvable in the public review. Which makes sense - given what happened with W3C's public review of the rand issue. The issue is very similar, almost identical - and I hope the solution will be the same ( i.e. enough public comments to make it impossible for this to pass in the current form ). Now the problem is getting enough people to send feedback during the public review - and posting a clear pointer with the address to send comments to and the background informations on the main page ( or on all apache pages ) would be a good start. Slashdot will be another. I believe the 'public comments' are sent to all those who're supposed to vote, and is supposed to have a certain influence, isn't it ? Costin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
