Re: XML Beans advertised on Jakarta ... Re: Vote for XMLBeans proposal

2003-07-09 Thread robert burrell donkin
On Wednesday, July 9, 2003, at 03:01 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
On 7/7/03 2:09 PM, robert burrell donkin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
XMLBeans feels (to me) like a jakarta component but if xml are happy to
manage it, i'd say that it'd probably work out easier that way. there 
isn'
t any reason why XMLBeans couldn't be visible on the jakarta website and
as part of the jakarta community (which seem to be the main advantages
which components see in joining jakarta) whilst being managed by the xml
pmc (which would host their site and primary link).
I'd object to that personally.  We link projects which were in Jakarta
historically and have become top level projects, but we do not link all of
the XML projects.  I'd object to that not only on practical concerns but
with the logic Then I'd like POI linked from the XML site ;-)
why shouldn't POI be linked from the XML site as well as the jakarta one?

- robert

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Re: [vote] XMLBeans to enter XML incubation [was: Re: Vote forXMLBeans proposal in the XML Project (was RE: Vote for XMLBeans proposal)]

2003-07-08 Thread Tom Copeland
  Please cast your vote on the acceptance of the XMLBeans project for 
  incubation in the XML.Apache project:
 
[  ]  I agree with and support this proposal (+1)

+1

Tom Copeland
(Maven)



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Re: [vote] XMLBeans to enter XML incubation [was: Re: Vote for XMLBeansproposal in the XML Project (was RE: Vote for XMLBeans proposal)]

2003-07-08 Thread Aleksander Slominski
Steven Noels wrote:

Dear committers,

as outlined in the xml.apache.org charter (section 6.2), and in 
collaboration with the Incubator 
(http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/incubator/STATUS?rev=HEAD)

Subject to:

- relicensing of the XMLBeans codebase using the ASL 1.1 license 
(http://xml.apache.org/LICENSE)
- copyright transfer from BEA to the ASF as described in 
http://incubator.apache.org/process.html [1]
- each initial XMLBeans committer sending in a Contributor's License 
Agreement 
(http://incubator.apache.org/forms/ASF_Contributor_License_2_form.pdf)
- furthermore, I would strongly suggest the XMLBeans code should only 
be moved into Apache CVS once the outstanding LGPL  BEA-licensed code 
dependency issues have been resolved.

Please cast your vote on the acceptance of the XMLBeans project for 
incubation in the XML.Apache project:

--- vote ballot --

Name: 

[ ] I agree with and support this proposal (+1) 
+1

thanks,

alek

([EMAIL PROTECTED], PMC memeber of Web Services)

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Re: [vote] XMLBeans to enter XML incubation [was: Re: Vote for XMLBeansproposal in the XML Project (was RE: Vote for XMLBeans proposal)]

2003-07-08 Thread Ted Leung
+1

I am planning to meet Cliff Schimdt in person at OSCon later this week.  
I will also be happy to be the official shepherd during incubation.

Ted

Berin Lautenbach wrote:

+1.  Subject to committer issues previously discussed being worked 
through in the incubator.

Would it be worth each of the PMC reps putting this into the -dev 
lists?   Am not sure if all committers are subscribed to general@ and 
it might make the logistics a bit easier?

Am happy to help out on the logistics side, and I think Ted has also 
indicated he is happy to be the official shepherd.

Cheers,
Berin


--- vote ballot --

  Name: 

  [ x ]  I agree with and support this proposal (+1)
  [  ]  Indifference (-1  x  +1)
  [  ]  I object and suggest a way to address my reservations (-1)
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RE: Vote for XMLBeans proposal

2003-07-07 Thread Cliff Schmidt
Thanks to all of you for the many offers to help us get things 
started with XMLBeans.  It sounds like it might be easier for everyone
if we now pick one project that we believe would be the best fit for
XMLBeans.  From talking with a few committers,  I think we are leaning
towards the XML project, but I would like verify that with each of the
others.  I should be able to confirm this preference in the next 12-16
hours.

Thanks again to everyone for being so willing to help make this work.

BTW, I'll be at OSCON all week, if anyone would like to discuss any 
issues further.

Cliff


On Sunday, July 06, 2003 7:57 AM, Aleksander Slominski wrote:

 Subject: Re: Vote for XMLBeans proposal
 
 
 Berin Lautenbach wrote:
 
 Ted Leung wrote:
 
 Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
 
 If XML.Apache is willing, as it seems, to cater for this project,
 I'll wait for a vote from them, an ACK from the Bea guys, and
 start preparing the hatcher :-) 
 
 I'm happy to invest some time in helping XMLBean get throught the
 incubator -- speaking with my XML PMC and ASF member hat on.
 
 
 The idea of moving XMLBeans to incubation under the XML project and
 with the assistance of Ted gets a +1 from me with some caveats :
 
 1. Current XMLBeans committers need to be comfortable with this
 resting with the XML project in the first instance. Note that I would
 hope that the umbrella project could be changed prior to exit from
 incubation if the feeling from the committers was that it should be.
 
 If the initial preference is Jakarta then please indicate! I'm
 definitely not trying to push a line here, and it's easy to switch
 the vote over to the Jakarta PMC :.
 
 2. Committer issues that have previously been discussed will need to
 be worked through during incubation (although that's really what
 incubation is about :). 
 
 +/- from other XML PMC members welcome.
 
 Further discussion also welcome!
 
 hi,
 
 based on what I have seen when looking on XMLBeans source code and
 (limited) design documentation I beleive that this project is very
 interesting and useful for Web Services so I have CCed [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailing list too.
 
 It seems that BEA folks are willing to solve all remaining problems
 and I think that it would be good if this project quickly gained more
 mementum and I am willing to help with it (even though I am not Apache
 XML commiter)
 
 thanks,
 
 alek

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Re: Vote for XMLBeans proposal

2003-07-07 Thread Steven Noels
On 6/07/2003 16:56 Aleksander Slominski wrote:

It seems that BEA folks are willing to solve all remaining problems and 
I think that it would be good if this project quickly gained more 
mementum and I am willing to help with it (even though I am not Apache 
XML commiter)
This proposal is still lacking a better mix of BEA- and non-BEA 
committers, so it seems like your offer to help comes at a good time. ;-)

FWIW: I would suggest XMLBeans to be incubated inside the XML project, 
although Jakarta would be equally fine as well.

If Cliff is able to communicate BEA's preference, and the LGPL Piccolo 
issue is resolved, it seems like we're heading somewhere. Attracting new 
committers is easier when the project is already under incubation.

/Steven
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Re: Vote for XMLBeans proposal

2003-07-07 Thread Jim Jagielski
If Cliff is able to communicate BEA's preference, and the LGPL Piccolo 
issue is resolved, it seems like we're heading somewhere. Attracting 
new committers is easier when the project is already under incubation.


Agreed.

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Vote for XMLBeans proposal

2003-07-06 Thread Berin Lautenbach
Ted Leung wrote:
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:

If XML.Apache is willing, as it seems, to cater for this project, I'll 
wait for a vote from them, an ACK from the Bea guys, and start 
preparing the hatcher :-)

I'm happy to invest some time in helping XMLBean get throught the 
incubator -- speaking with my XML PMC and ASF member hat on.


The idea of moving XMLBeans to incubation under the XML project and with 
the assistance of Ted gets a +1 from me with some caveats :

1.  Current XMLBeans committers need to be comfortable with this resting 
with the XML project in the first instance.  Note that I would hope that 
the umbrella project could be changed prior to exit from incubation if 
the feeling from the committers was that it should be.

If the initial preference is Jakarta then please indicate!  I'm 
definitely not trying to push a line here, and it's easy to switch the 
vote over to the Jakarta PMC :.

2.  Committer issues that have previously been discussed will need to be 
worked through during incubation (although that's really what incubation 
is about :).

+/- from other XML PMC members welcome.

Further discussion also welcome!

Cheers,
Berin


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Re: Vote for XMLBeans proposal

2003-07-06 Thread Aleksander Slominski
Berin Lautenbach wrote:

Ted Leung wrote:

Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:

If XML.Apache is willing, as it seems, to cater for this project, 
I'll wait for a vote from them, an ACK from the Bea guys, and start 
preparing the hatcher :-)

I'm happy to invest some time in helping XMLBean get throught the 
incubator -- speaking with my XML PMC and ASF member hat on.


The idea of moving XMLBeans to incubation under the XML project and 
with the assistance of Ted gets a +1 from me with some caveats :

1. Current XMLBeans committers need to be comfortable with this 
resting with the XML project in the first instance. Note that I would 
hope that the umbrella project could be changed prior to exit from 
incubation if the feeling from the committers was that it should be.

If the initial preference is Jakarta then please indicate! I'm 
definitely not trying to push a line here, and it's easy to switch the 
vote over to the Jakarta PMC :.

2. Committer issues that have previously been discussed will need to 
be worked through during incubation (although that's really what 
incubation is about :).

+/- from other XML PMC members welcome.

Further discussion also welcome!
hi,

based on what I have seen when looking on XMLBeans source code and 
(limited) design documentation I beleive that this project is very 
interesting and useful for Web Services so I have CCed [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
mailing list too.

It seems that BEA folks are willing to solve all remaining problems and 
I think that it would be good if this project quickly gained more 
mementum and I am willing to help with it (even though I am not Apache 
XML commiter)

thanks,

alek

--
If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough. Mario Andretti


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