Re: [gentoo-dev] new glep draft: Portage as a secondary package manager OT

2005-05-08 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, May 07, 2005 at 04:51:36PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
 | If a dev doesn't have adequate knowledge for a particular package he 
 | shouldn't be fscking with it in the first place. So there said package
 | can sit, having only the ability to install to / just like it always 
 | has until someone with interest/need/knowledge comes along and takes 
 | care of it.
 
 You and I know that. Brian seems to be assuming that the people that do
 the work will know how to handle every single package in the tree.

You're agreeing to the point kito made (my point spelled out for you) 
and you take a parting shot at me?

Was that really needed?


 Eh? No. It's about getting a major change done cleanly and without
 causing another disaster of OSX-sized proportions.

Fud.

OSX was a disaster _because_ it was implemented and dumped on everyone else, 
without involving anyone else.  This discussion/glep is to hash out the 
idea and issues, _rather_ then making it official and dumping the 
issues on others to address.


 |  No, they're a demonstration of why the GLEP in its current form is
 |  inadequate. I'll carry on pulling up further examples until you
 |  realise that it's not just a minor issue, it's a huge problem that
 |  needs a big change to the GLEP.
 | 
 | How about suggesting what that big change would be?
 
 I've done that already several times in this thread.

You've suggested ICANINSTALLTO, which has become SUPPORTS.  Beyond 
that you've either insulted those involved (the initial IRC 
discussion), or resorted to heckling the proposal via the same angle 
repeatedly.  Funny part is above you agree on the response I've 
stated to you repeatedly, only after it's written by someone else.


Intermixing another lovely bit of your slander/attacks.
 The reason that this thing was written up as a GLEP was because the   
 
 author was trying to bypass the discussion and get around having to 
 fix various flaws that had been pointed out previously.

I suggested haubi write it up as a glep, and bring it to this ml for 
the purpose of discussion of it, issues and all.

The funny thing is, if we just slipped the changes into portage and 
released it, we would be sidestepping the issues.  It would be the OSX 
disaster.

Write the sucker up as a glep, issues and all for discussion, and you 
attack those involved as trying to bypass the discussion.

So pretty much it's screwed if you do, screwed if you don't.  That's 
definitely one way to block progress on it; even bringing up the idea
equals you flaming/attacking those involved with it.

The entertaining aspect of this whole exchange is that you agree to 
jason's rephrasing of it (plus binpkg issues), which is the same damn 
thing you've been arguing against.

Basically, you've been an ass for the sake of being an ass thus far 
for anyone involved in the proposal.
It's not needed, and just wasted a chunk of my time, and yours for no 
valid reason.
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[gentoo-dev] distfiles whitelisting

2005-05-08 Thread Brian Harring
Just a friendly reminder, if you are placing files on the distfiles 
mirrors that are not claimed by an ebuild in the tree, you need to 
whitelist the files- just add the files to 
/space/distfiles-whitelist-current on dev.gentoo.org , and the files 
will be left alone for 6 months, or until they're removed from the 
whitelist file.

If you don't do this, the files _will_ be removed from the mirrors 
roughly a week after they hit the mirrors.  I've added the exemptions 
I could think of to make the transition smooth, but ultimately it's 
the uploaders responsibility.

Any questions, just give a yell.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] new glep draft: Portage as a secondary package manager

2005-05-08 Thread Brian Harring
On Sun, May 08, 2005 at 12:47:05AM +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote:
 6  Portage must disallow the creation of binary packages where all
dependencies are not in the same PREFIX.
First level, second level... ?
I'd rather see the deps/prefix data slapped into the binpkg, and 
tracked alongside, and verified prior to installation.
Reason being- say a package links against libssl, and 
is built to be installed into a user's directory (irssi for example).  
A restriction of the sort you're specifying would block irssi from 
ever being binpkg'd for home installation.

 I was planning to summarize home install support here,
Clarify please :)
Offhand, I don't see why a bin repo for a home target isn't viable, 
along with a vdb repo in the same location.  It's a bit trickier, but 
I suspect it might be a bit more flexible in the long run.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Subversion and Apache 2.0.54

2005-05-08 Thread Aaron Walker
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Ian Brandt wrote:

 # svnadmin verify /var/svn/repos/
 *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (out): 0x08064768 ***
 Aborted

Are you sure you have the latest versions of everything?  When the big apache
unmask happened, my subversion broke for a short while with the same aborts
until the new revision was released.  This probably isn't the case, but is
worth mentioning.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] ATTN: fonts herd maintainers

2005-05-08 Thread Aaron Walker
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Donnie Berkholz wrote:

 You are incorrectly reading it. This is why the maintainingproject tag
 exists, so we don't need to duplicate the same information in 500 places.

Yeah tove informed me of this on irc.

Actually, herdstat was incorrectly reading it  :)   I thought I had physically
looked at the herds.xml and saw 0 devs but that must've only been the case for
alpha herd (prior to them adding devs).

I just added maintainingproject support to herdstat, so it'll fetch/parse the
specified XML and get the developer list.  Kinda sucks but I don't see any
other way to go about doing it.

Anyways, sorry for the error on my part.

Cheers
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[gentoo-dev] New category proposal

2005-05-08 Thread Alin Nastac
Hi folks,

I think we should make a new category called app-cellphone containing
the following packages:
  net-dialup/gammu
  net-dialup/gnokii
  net-dialup/wammu
  net-wireless/gnome-phone-manager

Yes, I know. It is a short list, but shouldn't be a category
representative for its content?

Alin



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Re: [gentoo-dev] New category proposal

2005-05-08 Thread Lars Weiler
* Alin Nastac [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05/05/08 16:17 +0300]:
 I think we should make a new category called app-cellphone containing
 the following packages:

Add
app-misc/scmxx
app-misc/gscmxx
app-misc/vmoconv
to the list.  They are all for Siemens phones.

sys-fs/siefs may be another candidate, but it matches better
in sys-fs.  Probably you want to create a cellphone-herd
that takes care of those filesystem-packages, like siefs and
the obex-utilities?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] ebuilds for windows apps under wine?

2005-05-08 Thread David Gümbel
On Samstag 07 Mai 2005 22:32, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Are there any plans for supporting ebuilds for windows apps which use
 wine? I just installed wine (via the ebuild) to enable DVDShrink to
 be installed. Worked like a charm, but it would have been much cooler
 to 'emerge dvdshrink' and have wine pulled in as a dependancy.

As things stand, Wine is not at all in a state that can be called stable, so 
what works with the monthly release of, say, april can very well break 
totally in june. To me that means there's not much use in providing ebuilds 
for something that is quite probable to break in four or eight weeks.

This should change with the arrival of Wine 0.9, which we'll hopefull see 
this year (planned for september, see the WineConf wrapup [1]), so from a 
technical POV, that issue might go away at least for some apps in the 
not-too-distant future.



Cheers,



David

[1] http://www.winehq.org/?issue=272




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[gentoo-dev] Last chance to save media-plugins/bmp-outlame

2005-05-08 Thread Tony Vroon
bmp-outlame causes instability with large playlists, and may seriously
impair BMP's ability to play MP3 files.
It has been masked since March 12.

Should you want to save it, a patch is expected that makes it behave
correctly. If you're a dev, I expect you to maintain this package
afterwards.

If I don't hear anything by 20:00 GMT, it's a goner.

Tony (Chainsaw).


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Re: [gentoo-dev] new glep draft: Portage as a secondary package manager OT

2005-05-08 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 8 May 2005 02:58:32 -0500 Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| Write the sucker up as a glep, issues and all for discussion, and you 
| attack those involved as trying to bypass the discussion.

Bah. It should have been written up as a GLEP with the initial feedback
already incorporated.

| The entertaining aspect of this whole exchange is that you agree to 
| jason's rephrasing of it (plus binpkg issues), which is the same damn 
| thing you've been arguing against.

I'm not arguing against the general concept. I'm arguing against some of
the implementation issues which you and Michael are trying to gloss
over. You know this, stop trying to spin it any other way.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] duplicated USE flag (unicode utf8)

2005-05-08 Thread Francesco Riosa
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:

On Tue, 3 May 2005 14:21:58 -0400 Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| as many know, i dont use unicode, so i'm a bit ignorant of it ...
| 
| is there a good reason for having both a global 'unicode' USE flag and
| a bunch  of local 'utf8' USE flags ?  or should i file bugs for people
| to stop using  'utf8' and use 'unicode' instead ?

utf8 is a particular way of encoding unicode. I'd say that the 'unicode'
flag would be sufficient, except if for some reason the following
bizarre setup were to occur:

fooapp has unicode support. fooapp has optional support for the utf-8
encoding which pulls in an additional dependency.

  

mysql-4.1 should use utf8 , in fact it can be used to change the
defaults at compile time (econf) and at run-time (my.cfg) .
This is also a compatibility option versus 4.0 series.
Right ?
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Re: [gentoo-dev] KDE 3.4 still ~x86

2005-05-08 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
Hmm ... I'm still at gcc 3.3.5 but I'm running KDE 3.4 -- am I immune? I
don't use kasteroids so I wouldn't have run into the obvious issue.

Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:

On Sunday 08 May 2005 18:16, LostSon wrote:
  

 Im curious as to why KDE is still masked by ~x86 usually KDE moves into
the stable tree realtively quickly.


http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86898

The explanation is quite long, just look at that bug's comments and you'll 
find why kde 3.4 can't go in any stable state soon.

  

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Subversion and Apache 2.0.54

2005-05-08 Thread Ian Brandt

I realized I had added:

=dev-libs/apr-0.9.6
=dev-libs/apr-util-0.9.6

to /etc/portage/package.keywords, and that is why apr-1.1.1 and
apr-1.1.2 were installed, and not because they were required by
apache-2.0.54.  I changed = to ~ on those entries, unmerged them,
re-emerged apache-2.0.54 and subversion-1.1.4, but still no luck.  I
tried downgrading to subversion-1.1.3, but get the same results.

I'm now thinking that having the newer versions of apr somehow caused
the problem, though I'm not exactly sure how as I thought subversion
built with the apr included in it's source?

The odd thing is that I run db4.1_recover and verify and it doesn't
appear that there are any problems:

# pwd
/var/svn/repos/db
# db4.1_recover -v
db_recover: Finding last valid log LSN: file: 76 offset 908974
db_recover: Recovery complete at Sun May  8 12:56:44 2005
db_recover: Maximum transaction id 8000 Recovery checkpoint
[76][908890]
# db4.1_verify changes
# db4.1_verify copies
# db4.1_verify nodes
# db4.1_verify representations
# db4.1_verify revisions
# db4.1_verify strings
# db4.1_verify transactions
# db4.1_verify uuids
#

I've even tried catastrophic recovery, but still no luck on the svn
side:

# db4.1_recover -cv
db_recover: Finding last valid log LSN: file: 76 offset 908974
db_recover: Recovery starting from [1][28]
db_recover: Recovery complete at Sun May  8 13:02:24 2005
db_recover: Maximum transaction ID 80012ee5 Recovery checkpoint
[76][908974]
db_recover: Recovery complete at Sun May  8 13:02:24 2005
db_recover: Maximum transaction id 8000 Recovery checkpoint
[76][908974]
# sudo -u apache svnadmin verify /var/svn/repos/
*** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (out): 0x08064768 ***
Aborted
# sudo -u apache svnadmin recover /var/svn/repos/
Repository lock acquired.
Please wait; recovering the repository may take some time...
*** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (out): 0x080667c8 ***
Aborted

~Ian


Aaron Walker wrote:
 Ian Brandt wrote:
 
 
# svnadmin verify /var/svn/repos/
*** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (out): 0x08064768 ***
Aborted
 
 
 Are you sure you have the latest versions of everything?  When the big apache
 unmask happened, my subversion broke for a short while with the same aborts
 until the new revision was released.  This probably isn't the case, but is
 worth mentioning.
 
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Re: [gentoo-dev] KDE 3.4 still ~x86

2005-05-08 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Sunday 08 May 2005 19:05, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
 Hmm ... I'm still at gcc 3.3.5 but I'm running KDE 3.4 -- am I immune? I
 don't use kasteroids so I wouldn't have run into the obvious issue.
With gcc 3.3 you should be safe (as long as -fvisibility=hidden patch wasn't 
ported to it).

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[gentoo-dev] Re: New category proposal

2005-05-08 Thread R Hill
Alin Nastac wrote:
Hi folks,
I think we should make a new category called app-cellphone containing
the following packages:
  net-dialup/gammu
  net-dialup/gnokii
  net-dialup/wammu
  net-wireless/gnome-phone-manager
Yes, I know. It is a short list, but shouldn't be a category
representative for its content?
net-wireless/obexftp
net-misc/sms
net-misc/linuxsms
net-misc/ksms
net-misc/gsmlib
net-misc/esms
media-sound/bemused
media-plugins/xmms-btexmms
kde-misc/kmobiletools   }
kde-base/kandy  } these could probably stay in kde
app-pda/x70talk
app-pda/bitpim
app-misc/ringtonetools
this doesn't include anything like VOIP of course.  btw i think 
cellphone is an Americanism.  i worked for ATT Wireless before they 
were bought by Cingular and the term cellphone was discouraged for 
that reason.  maybe just app-phone?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] KDE 3.4 still ~x86

2005-05-08 Thread Luke-Jr
On Sunday 08 May 2005 16:30, Jason Stubbs wrote:
 The only issue I heard about was problems with gcc3.4's -fvisibility stuff.

Strange that a Gentoo bug (vanilla GCC 3.4 doesn't have visibility; Gentoo 
adds it via a broken patch) prevents KDE from being marked stable, seeing as 
it's not a bug in KDE...
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Re: [gentoo-dev] KDE 3.4 still ~x86

2005-05-08 Thread Matthijs van der Vleuten
On 5/8/05, Luke-Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sunday 08 May 2005 16:30, Jason Stubbs wrote:
  The only issue I heard about was problems with gcc3.4's -fvisibility stuff.
 
 Strange that a Gentoo bug (vanilla GCC 3.4 doesn't have visibility; Gentoo
 adds it via a broken patch) prevents KDE from being marked stable, seeing as
 it's not a bug in KDE...

Short version: It's the ebuild that's unstable, not KDE itself.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] KDE 3.4 still ~x86

2005-05-08 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Sunday 08 May 2005 22:24, Luke-Jr wrote:
 Strange that a Gentoo bug (vanilla GCC 3.4 doesn't have visibility; Gentoo
 adds it via a broken patch) prevents KDE from being marked stable, seeing
 as it's not a bug in KDE...
Wrong, it's a KDE bug.
To be exact is KDE bug #101542.

The problem is there also with vanilla gcc4 because of a flaw in design of 
visibility stuff in KDE.

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[gentoo-dev] Project Gentopia (everything Utopia based)

2005-05-08 Thread Doug Goldstein
Hello Gentoo users  devs,

This is just to let everyone know there's going to be a group of devs
that will handle all your Project Utopia needs. Project Utopia is the
freedesktop.org push towards HAL  DBus basically. This will hopefully
help foser out who maintains everything under the sun.

We felt it was better to have a Utopia based group since HAL  DBus will
be used by KDE as well as Gnome so it takes it out from the Gnome umbrella.

To see our meta tracker bug visit good ol' bug
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91928

And to see some of the experimental (read: UNSUPPORTED) ebuilds and
changes to your Gnome desktop visit the overlay @
http://dev.gentoo.org/~cardoe/files/overlay/

That's all she wrote.
 -genstef
 -npmccallum
 -cardoe

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New category proposal

2005-05-08 Thread Alin Nastac
R Hill wrote:



 this doesn't include anything like VOIP of course.  btw i think
 cellphone is an Americanism.  i worked for ATT Wireless before they
 were bought by Cingular and the term cellphone was discouraged for
 that reason.  maybe just app-phone?

hmm... I think it should include cell or mobile in one way or the
other - phone is just too generic.
I am not a native English speaker (duh, what a surprise :)), so I'm open
to suggestions.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New category proposal

2005-05-08 Thread W.Kenworthy
In Oz, cellphone is only used in american movies, here they are called
mobile phones (formal), mobiles (common usage) and mob when
written (e.g., Mob: 0419...)

There's also the upcoming cell processor architecture that may clash
in the future.

How about app-mobphone or app-mobilephone or perhaps
app-mobilephoneutils or some variant of?

BillK


On Sun, 2005-05-08 at 11:57 -0600, R Hill wrote:
 Alin Nastac wrote:
  Hi folks,
  
  I think we should make a new category called app-cellphone containing
  the following packages:
net-dialup/gammu
net-dialup/gnokii
net-dialup/wammu
net-wireless/gnome-phone-manager
  
  Yes, I know. It is a short list, but shouldn't be a category
  representative for its content?
 
 net-wireless/obexftp
 net-misc/sms
 net-misc/linuxsms
 net-misc/ksms
 net-misc/gsmlib
 net-misc/esms
 media-sound/bemused
 media-plugins/xmms-btexmms
 kde-misc/kmobiletools }
 kde-base/kandy} these could probably stay in kde
 app-pda/x70talk
 app-pda/bitpim
 app-misc/ringtonetools
 
 this doesn't include anything like VOIP of course.  btw i think 
 cellphone is an Americanism.  i worked for ATT Wireless before they 
 were bought by Cingular and the term cellphone was discouraged for 
 that reason.  maybe just app-phone?
 
 --de.
 

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[gentoo-dev] Will Gentoo be at Linux World Expo San Fran?

2005-05-08 Thread James Dio
Will Gentoo be at Linux World expo in San Fransisco the end of this
month?
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[gentoo-dev] Re: Will Gentoo be at Linux World Expo San Fran?

2005-05-08 Thread James Dio
CORRECTION: quite tired really... I meant during AUGUST not the end of
this month.. sorry

On Sun, 2005-05-08 at 19:06 -0400, James Dio wrote:
   Will Gentoo be at Linux World expo in San Fransisco the end of this
 month?
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Will Gentoo be at Linux World Expo San Fran?

2005-05-08 Thread Lance Albertson
On Sun, 2005-05-08 at 19:11 -0400, James Dio wrote:
 CORRECTION: quite tired really... I meant during AUGUST not the end of
 this month.. sorry

Yes, we're planning on it!

 On Sun, 2005-05-08 at 19:06 -0400, James Dio wrote:
  Will Gentoo be at Linux World expo in San Fransisco the end of this
  month?
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Re: [gentoo-dev] duplicated USE flag (unicode utf8)

2005-05-08 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 08 May 2005 11:33 am, Francesco Riosa wrote:
 mysql-4.1 should use utf8

what does that have to do with this thread ?

file a bug (if one hasnt already been filed) and dont use the 'utf8' flag, use 
the 'unicode' flag
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New category proposal

2005-05-08 Thread Lars Weiler
* Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05/05/08 17:01 -0600]:
 You could always borrow from the Germans and call it app-handy.

Yeah!  That's pure Denglisch :)

And while we are on it, add all packages for presentations
into an app-beamer group ;-)

Well, back on topic.  Some of the suggested packages will
not work with GSM-phones only, but also with DECT-phones.
And if we include VoIP-Applications, they can finally get
into a better home than net-misc... app-telephony?
phone-mobile/phone-net?

Regards, Lars

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New category proposal

2005-05-08 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 08 May 2005 04:46 pm, Alin Nastac wrote:
 R Hill wrote:
  this doesn't include anything like VOIP of course.  btw i think
  cellphone is an Americanism.  i worked for ATT Wireless before they
  were bought by Cingular and the term cellphone was discouraged for
  that reason.  maybe just app-phone?

 hmm... I think it should include cell or mobile in one way or the
 other - phone is just too generic.

app-mobile sounds good to me ... then just use metadata.xml to include a 
'fuller' description :P
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Re: [gentoo-dev] KDE 3.4 still ~x86

2005-05-08 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 08 May 2005 04:30 pm, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:
 On Sunday 08 May 2005 22:24, Luke-Jr wrote:
  Strange that a Gentoo bug (vanilla GCC 3.4 doesn't have visibility;
  Gentoo adds it via a broken patch) prevents KDE from being marked stable,
  seeing as it's not a bug in KDE...

 Wrong, it's a KDE bug.
 To be exact is KDE bug #101542.

 The problem is there also with vanilla gcc4 because of a flaw in design of
 visibility stuff in KDE.

there's a bug open somewhere for toolchain about gcc-3.4 and visibility 
issues ... we closed it as fixed when we updated the visibility patches, but 
someone re-opened it ...

does this mean we can close it again since the toolchain issue is resolved ?

http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78720
-mike

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New category proposal

2005-05-08 Thread Georgi Georgiev
maillog: 09/05/2005-01:50:04(+0200): Lars Weiler types
 * Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05/05/08 17:01 -0600]:
  You could always borrow from the Germans and call it app-handy.
 
 Yeah!  That's pure Denglisch :)
 
 And while we are on it, add all packages for presentations
 into an app-beamer group ;-)
 
 Well, back on topic.  Some of the suggested packages will
 not work with GSM-phones only, but also with DECT-phones.
 And if we include VoIP-Applications, they can finally get
 into a better home than net-misc... app-telephony?
 phone-mobile/phone-net?

Would it be inappropriate to start bitching (again) about a flat tree
where each package can go in multiple categories?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] [ANNOUNCE] eclectic-0.9.1

2005-05-08 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 07 May 2005 22:37:22 +0200 Danny van Dyk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| Work on further modules is in progress like:

I just wrote an etc-update workalike as an eclectic module. Mostly as an
experiment to see how we're going to handle interactive stuff... Sample
session at:

http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm/tmp/eclectic/config-tool.shtml

If you want to play, grab the latest SVN. Usual disclaimer about this
thing being chock full of bugs and merely a proof of concept applies.

No doubt we'll find some practical uses for this thing at some point :)

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[gentoo-dev] ignore me

2005-05-08 Thread Ned Ludd
ignore me.. do not respond.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] new glep draft: Portage as a secondary package manager

2005-05-08 Thread Marius Mauch
Brian Harring wrote:
Clarify please :)
Offhand, I don't see why a bin repo for a home target isn't viable, 
along with a vdb repo in the same location.  It's a bit trickier, but 
I suspect it might be a bit more flexible in the long run.
I don't think that's possible without a lot of hacking for many packages 
as $HOME will be expanded at build time and might be included in the 
resulting binaries. Or in other words: If it works, we don't need 
$PREFIX support at all as packages could be relocated at merge time.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] [ANNOUNCE] eclectic-0.9.1

2005-05-08 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 09 May 2005 04:00:08 +0300 Marius Mauch [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
|   * What do the maintainers of Gentoo's various -config and -update
| scripts think about converting their scripts into eclectic
| modules ?
| 
| Neither etc-update nor env-update fall into this domain.

Heh, although I've already reimplemented etc-update as an eclectic
module just for the hell of it. Blame Jason for asking me about
interactive tools.

| Nice to finally see this becoming public.

Yeah, can't keep the cool toys hidden forever I guess :(

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