[gentoo-dev] Global USE flags bite the dust...

2006-09-06 Thread Doug Goldstein
The following global USE flags have been deleted from the tree because
no ebuild uses them.

dba
dio
ingres
msession
nhc98
oggvorbis
zeo


I'm also going to move mcve to a local USE flag for PHP. In fact it
should really just go away since PHP is no longer shipping the MCVE
extension built in. It's a PECL module only. (plus my employer writes
MCVE/Monetra and that code is mine to maintain now... however I make NO
claims at it's current quality level since I have yet to write or edit a
single line.)


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Global USE flags bite the dust...

2006-09-06 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Doug Goldstein wrote:
 The following global USE flags have been deleted from the tree because
 no ebuild uses them.
 
 dba
 dio
 ingres
 msession
 nhc98
 oggvorbis
 zeo

Have you looked in eclass/ ? A quick grep for those sees a lot popping
up in php eclasses.

Thanks,
Donnie



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[gentoo-dev] Local USE flags bite the dust

2006-09-06 Thread Doug Goldstein
While I'm still awake...

Here's a list of unused local USE flags that aren't used anymore and got
axed.

net-misc/gnugk:accounting - Enables call logging (accounting)
www-servers/skunkweb:apache1 - enable apache1 support if internal server
and apache2 support not wanted
dev-perl/gtk-perl:applet - Enable gnome applet support
sci-mathematics/scilab:atlas - Add support for the atlas library
mail-filter/spamassassin:dcc - Enable Distributed Checksum Clearinghouse
support
x11-wm/fluxbox:disablexmb - Disable XMB. Works around bug 65186.
media-video/mplayer:edl - Enables usage of Edit Decision Lists
sys-apps/baselayout-vserver:fakelog - install a fake logger init script
dev-db/mysql:geometry - Add support for geometry data.
sci-libs/gdal:grass - Adds support for the grasslib GIS library
net-analyzer/scapy:hostap - Enable hostap driver
www-client/w3m:imlib2 - If you want to link imlib2 instead of imlib
against w3mimgdisplay
dev-scheme/bigloo-lib:ipcs - enable ipcs support
net-dns/djbdns:ipv6arpa - enables ipv6 arpa patch
media-sound/bmpx:irssi - Install irssi script (need dbus and perl)

I stopped at USE flags that start with J...
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Re: [gentoo-core] Re: [gentoo-dev] Global USE flags bite the dust...

2006-09-06 Thread Doug Goldstein
Donnie Berkholz wrote:
 Doug Goldstein wrote:
 The following global USE flags have been deleted from the tree because
 no ebuild uses them.

 dba
 dio
 ingres
 msession
 nhc98
 oggvorbis
 zeo
 
 Have you looked in eclass/ ? A quick grep for those sees a lot popping
 up in php eclasses.
 
 Thanks,
 Donnie
 
Was just testing you... Donnie... you pass. ;) heh. (thanks for the
e-mail before I committed)

Well

nhc98
oggvorbis
zeo

are gone.

dba
dio
ingres
msession
mcve

are all used by 1 ebuild... and that's dev-lang/php... they should be
moved to local's.



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Re: [gentoo-core] Re: [gentoo-dev] Global USE flags bite the dust...

2006-09-06 Thread Alin Nastac
Doug Goldstein wrote:
 dba
 dio
 ingres
 msession
 mcve

 are all used by 1 ebuild... and that's dev-lang/php... they should be
 moved to local's.

   
Consequence: php eclasses code should be moved in dev-lang/php ebuild.




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[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Local USE flags bite the dust

2006-09-06 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 06 September 2006 02:33, Doug Goldstein wrote:
 While I'm still awake...

next time wait until you're more awake so you dont cross-post ;)
-mike


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Trustees Announcement

2006-09-06 Thread Stuart Herbert

On 9/6/06, Stephen P. Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Actually, I *think* he was trying to ask why Stuart feels that he can
take on the responsibility of being a trustee if he felt that he didn't
have the time to take on the responsibility of being a council member.
I also must admit that I'm curious of the answer to that in light of the
fact that he admittedly plans on leaving Gentoo sometime soon.


To save everyone a bit of time, it'd be quicker just to read the
existing thread on -core where I explained why I was standing as a
trustee.

Best regards,
Stu
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Global USE flags bite the dust...

2006-09-06 Thread Jakub Moc
Doug Goldstein wrote:
 The following global USE flags have been deleted from the tree because
 no ebuild uses them.

While you are cleaning up, could you take care of
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=144534 please (ming/flash use flags).

Thanks!


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[gentoo-dev] Re: Trustees Announcement

2006-09-06 Thread Torsten Veller
* Stuart Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 To save everyone a bit of time, it'd be quicker just to read the
 existing thread on -core where I explained why I was standing as a
 trustee.

It was -nfp (http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.nfp/377).
The list where this annoncement should have ... Anyway
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Re: [gentoo-core] Re: [gentoo-dev] Global USE flags bite the dust...

2006-09-06 Thread Stuart Herbert

On 9/6/06, Alin Nastac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Doug Goldstein wrote:
 dba
 dio
 ingres
 msession
 mcve

 are all used by 1 ebuild... and that's dev-lang/php... they should be
 moved to local's.


Consequence: php eclasses code should be moved in dev-lang/php ebuild.


Please don't do that.  The PHP eclasses are there because we used to
support building other PHP SAPIs (specifically thttpd).  That's also
why the USE flags were made global, as they'll need to be supported by
all of web servers that will bundle PHP support.

Best regards,
Stu
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Local USE flags bite the dust

2006-09-06 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Sep 06, 2006 at 02:33:14AM -0400, Doug Goldstein wrote:
 While I'm still awake...
 
 Here's a list of unused local USE flags that aren't used anymore and got
 axed.

 I stopped at USE flags that start with J...

Missed a few before j from the looks of it- attached is a list of 
unused use.local.desc flags should anyone be bored and care to clean 
it.

Will generate an equiv global use.desc later.
~harring
checks: 0 cat, 1 pkg, 0 version
WARNING:root:profile 'default-linux/mips/2006.0' is marked as deprecated, read 
'/usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/mips/2006.0/deprecated' please
WARNING:root:ppcsha1 is reversed in 
/usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/ppc/ppc32/use.mask, but isn't set yet!

app-editors/gvim: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): termcap-compat
app-editors/nano: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): nomac
app-editors/vim: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): termcap-compat
app-editors/vim-core: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): termcap-compat
app-emulation/qemu: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): kqemu, qemu-fast, softmmu
app-emulation/xen: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): screen
app-misc/beagle: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): spreadsheet, webservices, wv
app-misc/workrave: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): noexercises, noexperimental
app-text/acroread: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): noplugin
dev-java/ibm-jre-bin: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): browserplugin
dev-java/velocity: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): j2ee
dev-libs/cyrus-sasl: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): pam-mysql
dev-ml/ocamlsdl: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): noimage, nomixer
dev-util/cogito: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): mozsha1, ppcsha1
dev-util/eclipse-sdk: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): nogecko-sdk
gnome-extra/sensors-applet: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): nvidis
gnustep-base/gnustep-base: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): libffi
kde-base/juk: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): musicbrainz
kde-base/kdemultimedia: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): musicbrainz
kde-misc/kxdocker: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): net
mail-client/mail-notification: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): gmailtimestamps
mail-client/mozilla-thunderbird: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): mozsvg
mail-filter/spamassassin: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): extramodules, pyzor, 
razor, spf
media-gfx/blender: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): fmod, ode
media-gfx/k3d: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): ngui
media-libs/openexr: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): fltk
media-libs/tunepimp: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): taglib
media-libs/xine-lib: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): cle266, i8x0, nvidia
media-sound/amarok: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): musicbrainz
media-sound/audacity: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): libsamplerate, soundtouch
media-sound/banshee: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): real
media-sound/bmpx: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): amazon
media-sound/kid3: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): musicbrainz
media-sound/rhythmbox: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): gstreamer010
media-tv/mythtv: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): nvidia, unichrome
media-tv/xdtv: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): x264
media-video/cinepaint: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): fltk
media-video/fenice: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): srvdir
media-video/motiontrack: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): libgd
media-video/mplayer: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): mythtv
media-video/oxine: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): mjpeg
media-video/transcode: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): pvm
media-video/vlc: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): cdio, screen
net-fs/samba: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): msdfs
net-im/gossip: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): galago
net-mail/dovecot: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): nopop3d
net-misc/asterisk: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): nopri, nozaptel
net-misc/ntp: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): nodroproot
net-p2p/mldonkey: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): oldgtk
net-wireless/ipw2200: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): radiotap
net-wireless/ipw3945: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): radiotap
net-wireless/madwifi-ng-tools: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): udev
net-www/gnash: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): dmalloc
sys-apps/lm_sensors: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): rrdtool
sys-apps/pcmcia-cs: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): nocardbus, pnp
sys-apps/pcmciautils: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): cis
sys-cluster/magma-plugins: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): nogulm
sys-freebsd/freebsd-usbin: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): lpr
sys-kernel/ck-sources: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): ck-plus
sys-kernel/vserver-sources: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): ngnet
www-apps/dspam-web: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): cyrus, exim, maildrop, 
procmail
www-apps/gallery: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): graphicsmagick
www-client/mozilla: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): mozxmlterm
www-client/mozilla-firefox: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): mozxmlterm
www-servers/thttpd: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): mkconfig
x11-libs/goffice: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): cairo
x11-terms/mrxvt: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): xgetdefault

Re: [gentoo-core] Re: [gentoo-dev] Global USE flags bite the dust...

2006-09-06 Thread Elfyn McBratney

Ciao,

On 06/09/06, Stuart Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 9/6/06, Alin Nastac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Doug Goldstein wrote:
  dba
  dio
  ingres
  msession
  mcve
 
  are all used by 1 ebuild... and that's dev-lang/php... they should be
  moved to local's.
 
 
 Consequence: php eclasses code should be moved in dev-lang/php ebuild.

Please don't do that.  The PHP eclasses are there because we used to
support building other PHP SAPIs (specifically thttpd).  That's also
why the USE flags were made global, as they'll need to be supported by
all of web servers that will bundle PHP support.


In addition to what Stu just said, removing them would add a lot of
local USE flags, and it really isn't worth it to change from local to
global, imo...  -1 - please don't do this for global PHP USE flags,
thanks.

Best,
Elfyn
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Re: [gentoo-core] Re: [gentoo-dev] Global USE flags bite the dust...

2006-09-06 Thread Elfyn McBratney

Ciao,

On 06/09/06, Alin Nastac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Doug Goldstein wrote:
 dba
 dio
 ingres
 msession
 mcve

 are all used by 1 ebuild... and that's dev-lang/php... they should be
 moved to local's.

Consequence: php eclasses code should be moved in dev-lang/php ebuild.


Erm, and duplicate USE flag detection code (thinks conflicts that
portage still cannot handle... sigh) in every PHP ebuilds?  No thanks!
Easing maintainability is a good thing, ya know :P

Best,
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Re: [gentoo-core] Re: [gentoo-dev] Global USE flags bite the dust...

2006-09-06 Thread Elfyn McBratney

On 06/09/06, Elfyn McBratney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Ciao,

On 06/09/06, Alin Nastac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Doug Goldstein wrote:
  dba
  dio
  ingres
  msession
  mcve
 
  are all used by 1 ebuild... and that's dev-lang/php... they should be
  moved to local's.
 
 Consequence: php eclasses code should be moved in dev-lang/php ebuild.

Erm, and duplicate USE flag detection code (thinks conflicts that
portage still cannot handle... sigh) in every PHP ebuilds?  No thanks!
 Easing maintainability is a good thing, ya know :P


Very poorly worded, and apologies if that was hard to parse... *hides*
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Re: [gentoo-core] Re: [gentoo-dev] Global USE flags bite the dust...

2006-09-06 Thread Elfyn McBratney

Bah... this is really the last time I shall reply to myself!


[...]
On 06/09/06, Alin Nastac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Doug Goldstein wrote:
  dba
  dio
  ingres
  msession
  mcve
 
  are all used by 1 ebuild... and that's dev-lang/php... they should be
  moved to local's.
 
 Consequence: php eclasses code should be moved in dev-lang/php ebuild.

Erm, and duplicate USE flag detection code (thinks conflicts that
portage still cannot handle... sigh) in every PHP ebuilds?  No thanks!
 Easing maintainability is a good thing, ya know :P


This is wrong.  Regardless of local to global, and vice versa, this
will not change the USE flag conflict detection.  However, some of
these flags are used elsewhere (as Stu has already noted), and I think
since they've been around a while, and can easily be used by other
new/old packages without changes to profiles/use.local.desc, they
should stay where they are (global).

Best,
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[gentoo-dev] [RFC] Required Features for $package_manager to Aid... Development!

2006-09-06 Thread Elfyn McBratney
Hola,

I've been inspired by the local/global USE flag threads recently
posted by Doug (Cardoe), and it got me to thinking... I've recently
joined the pkgcore development effort, and was asked by Brian
(ferringb) what I'd like to hack on/what my niggles with portage are.
My personal one is why updates/ and binpkg mangling takes so long in
portage-$current.  But I'd like to know, what are everyone elses?

I know that this topic have been rehashed since the dawn of
time^Wgentoo-dev, but these things get lost, opinions change... and
since last year, new and viable alternate package managers have
cropped up.  So, basically I'd like to ask all on this list: - what
package manager features would make *your* life easier?

Personally, I'd like to see the following groups of changes happen one
way or another:

* Improve QA with/by:
 - Detecting conflicting USE flags;
 - Limiting the amount of times we need to call die in ebuilds.

Yes, that's a small list... which is why I'm sending this mail to
solicit even more ideas. :)

Comments, flames (read the archives, go jump in a pond, etc) and
whatever else is coming my way - hit it me with it! ;P

Best,
Elfyn

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Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Required Features for $package_manager to Aid... Development!

2006-09-06 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Sep 06, 2006 at 10:29:11AM +, Elfyn McBratney wrote:
 Hola,
 
 I've been inspired by the local/global USE flag threads recently
 posted by Doug (Cardoe), and it got me to thinking... I've recently
 joined the pkgcore development effort, and was asked by Brian
 (ferringb) what I'd like to hack on/what my niggles with portage are.
 My personal one is why updates/ and binpkg mangling takes so long in
 portage-$current.  But I'd like to know, what are everyone elses?
 
 I know that this topic have been rehashed since the dawn of
 time^Wgentoo-dev, but these things get lost, opinions change... and
 since last year, new and viable alternate package managers have
 cropped up.  So, basically I'd like to ask all on this list: - what
 package manager features would make *your* life easier?
 
 Personally, I'd like to see the following groups of changes happen one
 way or another:
 
 * Improve QA with/by:
  - Detecting conflicting USE flags;

That one is on the map for trying to address via eapi=1; intention was 
to resurrect the approach of using a seperate metadata key, and 
extending depset support to include xor so that representing the 
_valid_ use conditional states is possible.

Simple example, if you need mysql or postgres, but not both;
VALID_USE_STATES=^ ( mysql postgres )

if it's not required to have them enabled, but still need one or the 
other if enabled
VALID_USE_STATES=( || ( mysql postgres ) ^ ( mysql postgres ) )

Would need to extend depset in this case to support negation of blocks 
also (nand/nor); downside, it gets verbose.

Upshot, it uses extisting syntax folks are familar with; the verbosity 
of it would also go down if/when use groups were implemented thus 
replacing USE_EXPAND (something that needs resurrecting and is another 
bit on the map, although not guranteed to be targeted).

~harring


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[gentoo-dev] Packages formerly maintained by myself

2006-09-06 Thread Chris Bainbridge

The following packages are now maintainer-needed, if anyone wants to
pick them up feel free to do so.

app-mobilephone/x70talk
app-admin/flexlm
app-misc/scope
app-misc/linuxspa
sys-devel/bin86
sys-devel/dev86
sys-apps/yum
sys-boot/raincoat
sys-boot/cromwell-bin
sys-boot/cromwell
app-emulation/domi
net-fs/ccxstream
sci-electronics/balsa
sci-electronics/gplcver
sci-electronics/petrify
app-cdr/extract-xiso
app-cdr/xdvdfs-tools
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Local USE flags bite the dust

2006-09-06 Thread Michael Cummings
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use.local.desc, but the others are still used by the 3.1.0 ebuild.

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[gentoo-dev] (Not so) New Developer - The Paya

2006-09-06 Thread John Mylchreest
Hi Guys,

I've been very slack about announcing some of our new guys recently, and
not least Javier Villavicencio.

Javier, known on IRC as The_Paya, joined us to work on all aspects
Gentoo/FreeBSD plus anything else he can throw his skills at! Coming
from Argentina he has an interest in fishing, high end hardware and
playing with imaging apps.

Javier has also done a great job of infiltrating yet another company
with production servers running Gentoo :)

I'm sure I'm not the only one to throw thank-you's and welcome him on
board! Here's to a long and enjoyable involvement with Gentoo!

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages formerly maintained by myself

2006-09-06 Thread Elfyn McBratney
Eeeek, didn't realise that you'd gone as well. *sniff*  I hope the free
time you have now that Gentoo isn't eating up a lot of it is ,er, free
time well spent!  Hope things are otherwise going okay, too. :)

On Wed, Sep 06, 2006 at 02:21:35PM +0100, Chris Bainbridge wrote:
  The following packages are now maintainer-needed, if anyone wants to
  pick them up feel free to do so.
  
  sys-devel/bin86
  sys-devel/dev86

Will take those if no one else really wants 'em - they don't need
updating often, I'm familiar with the ebuilds and packages and I'm not
going to get burnt-out over 'em. ;P

Best,
Elfyn

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Re: [gentoo-dev] (Not so) New Developer - The Paya

2006-09-06 Thread Elfyn McBratney
On Wed, Sep 06, 2006 at 02:50:54PM +0100, John Mylchreest wrote:
  Hi Guys,
  
  I've been very slack about announcing some of our new guys recently, and
  not least Javier Villavicencio.
  
  Javier, known on IRC as The_Paya, joined us to work on all aspects
  Gentoo/FreeBSD plus anything else he can throw his skills at! Coming
  from Argentina he has an interest in fishing, high end hardware and
  playing with imaging apps.
  
  Javier has also done a great job of infiltrating yet another company
  with production servers running Gentoo :)
  
  I'm sure I'm not the only one to throw thank-you's and welcome him on
  board! Here's to a long and enjoyable involvement with Gentoo!

Welcome aboard, Javier!  Another insider pushing gentoo from the, uh,
inside when it comes to work, eh?  Good Show! :)

Best,
Elfyn

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Re: [gentoo-dev] (Not so) New Developer - The Paya

2006-09-06 Thread Steve Dibb

John Mylchreest wrote:

Hi Guys,

I've been very slack about announcing some of our new guys recently, and
not least Javier Villavicencio.

Javier, known on IRC as The_Paya, joined us to work on all aspects
Gentoo/FreeBSD plus anything else he can throw his skills at! Coming
from Argentina he has an interest in fishing, high end hardware and
playing with imaging apps.

Ay, que bien!  Bienvenidos, che. :)

Steve
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages formerly maintained by myself

2006-09-06 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 06 September 2006 09:21, Chris Bainbridge wrote:
 The following packages are now maintainer-needed, if anyone wants to
 pick them up feel free to do so.

sorry to see you go man

 sys-boot/raincoat
 sys-boot/cromwell-bin
 sys-boot/cromwell
 net-fs/ccxstream
 app-cdr/extract-xiso
 app-cdr/xdvdfs-tools

thought there was an xbox herd ... guess not; time to make one
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[gentoo-dev] Globalization of some USE flags etc.

2006-09-06 Thread arfrever
I would like to suggest to globalize cairo and openexr USE flags because they 
are used by enough amount of packages.

Also I have got a question about udev USE flag.
udev USE flag is now local USE flag. In 4 cases this flag has description 
Enable udev rules file installation and in 2 cases - Install as an udev 
helper instead of a hotplug helper.

As `find /usr/portage/profiles/ -name make.defaults -exec grep -l udev {} \;` 
says udev USE flag is set defaultly in the following files:

/usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/alpha/2006.0/make.defaults
/usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/alpha/no-nptl/make.defaults
/usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/alpha/2006.1/make.defaults
/usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/x86/2006.0/make.defaults
/usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/x86/2006.1/make.defaults
/usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/sparc/sparc32/2006.0/make.defaults
/usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/sparc/sparc32/2006.1/make.defaults
/usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/sparc/sparc64/2006.0/make.defaults
/usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/sparc/sparc64/2006.1/make.defaults
/usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/ppc/ppc32/2006.0/make.defaults
/usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/ppc/ppc32/2006.1/make.defaults
/usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/ppc/ppc64/2006.0/64bit-userland/make.defaults
/usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/ppc/ppc64/2006.0/32bit-userland/make.defaults
/usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/ppc/ppc64/2006.0/multilib/make.defaults
/usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/ppc/ppc64/2006.1/64bit-userland/make.defaults
/usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/ppc/ppc64/2006.1/32bit-userland/make.defaults
/usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/ppc/ppc64/2006.1/multilib/make.defaults
/usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/amd64/2006.1/make.defaults
/usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/ia64/2006.0/make.defaults

Is udev USE flag set there because of necessity of Enabling udev rules file 
installation or because of necessity of Installing as an udev helper instead 
of a hotplug helper?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] What would Freud say? New developer; Mike Kelly!

2006-09-06 Thread Chris White
On Tuesday 05 September 2006 17:22, Christel Dahlskjaer wrote:
 Hailing from Pittsburgh, PA, the cognitive science department at
 Carnegie Mellon University comes Mike Kelly aka pioto. 

Hi pioto (say, is there some kind of Mike conspiracy going down now?)

 Already known by 
 some of us from his excellent work on dynusers[1] during this years
 Summer of Code he now comes onboard to put it in the tree and
 maintaining it, 

Well in that case, my brother here, bugzilla, wants to say hi too :p

 apart from having implemented GLEP 27 he has previously 
 contributed some ebuilds, such as net-im/zephyr. He'll no doubt take up
 some more interesting stuff besides dynusers, that is, if he finds time.

Time is a theory, but Gentoo devs all know there's no such thing

 Although he is taking a gap year before returning as a fourth year
 student at CMU he keeps busy by doing watersports. Yes, watersports. I
 took a double take at that one, before realising he was talking about
 water polo and swimming. He comes prepared, Boy Scout and all!

M wakeboarding

 I of course am most thrilled to find that we've another developer with a
 keen interest in the human brain, he may not be able to read your mind

s/not be able to/not want to/

Yah, try not to analyze me too much.. you'll end up going insane yourself

 but he does speak bash, C, C++, Java, Perl and some sml.

I tried speaking perl to one of my dates.. I got slapped :(

 So yeah, buy him a pint and welcome him onboard!

SMTP, IMAP and POP3 don't support that.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] What would Freud say? New developer; Mike Kelly!

2006-09-06 Thread Daniel Ostrow
snip
  So yeah, buy him a pint and welcome him onboard!
 
 SMTP, IMAP and POP3 don't support that.
 
/snip

What...you have never heard of PPP, the Pint to Pint protocol...

(Sorry about this clear waste of bandwidth...it's early and my pun
senses still have control of my fingers...)

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[gentoo-dev] Re: I'm concerned about a bug (#121142, imagemagick)

2006-09-06 Thread Stefan Schweizer
Roy Marples wrote:

 On Tuesday 05 September 2006 15:18, Sven Köhler wrote:
 There's no comment by the maintainer for a while. I wrote the patches
 that are needed to fix the problem. They work fine as far as i can tell.
 
 Don't feel too bad - I frequently post patches to bugs reported on the
 same day and ask for feedback. Some of which are now over a year old
 without any feedback from the reporter.

that is why I try to close a bug when commenting something on it. NEEDINFO
usually works on those and allows you to clean up your list of inactive
bugs.

Best regards,
Stefan

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Re: [gentoo-dev] What would Freud say? New developer; Mike Kelly!

2006-09-06 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 06 September 2006 12:44, Daniel Ostrow wrote:
 (Sorry about this clear waste of bandwidth...it's early and my pun
 senses still have control of my fingers...)

you're clogging up the tubes !
-mike


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Re: [gentoo-dev] (Not so) New Developer - The Paya

2006-09-06 Thread Javier \The_Paya\ Villavicencio
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Steve Dibb wrote:
 John Mylchreest wrote:
 Hi Guys,

 I've been very slack about announcing some of our new guys recently, and
 not least Javier Villavicencio.

 Javier, known on IRC as The_Paya, joined us to work on all aspects
 Gentoo/FreeBSD plus anything else he can throw his skills at! Coming
 from Argentina he has an interest in fishing, high end hardware and
 playing with imaging apps.
 Ay, que bien!  Bienvenidos, che. :)
 
 Steve

Gracias! :+)

Javier.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] What would Freud say? New developer; Mike Kelly!

2006-09-06 Thread Elfyn McBratney
On Tue, Sep 05, 2006 at 08:17:44PM -0700, Daniel Ostrow wrote:
  On Wed, 2006-09-06 at 01:22 +0100, Christel Dahlskjaer wrote:
   Hailing from Pittsburgh, PA, the cognitive science department at
   Carnegie Mellon University comes Mike Kelly aka pioto. Already known by
   some of us from his excellent work on dynusers[1] during this years
   Summer of Code he now comes onboard to put it in the tree and
   maintaining it, apart from having implemented GLEP 27 he has previously
   contributed some ebuilds, such as net-im/zephyr. He'll no doubt take up
   some more interesting stuff besides dynusers, that is, if he finds time.
   Although he is taking a gap year before returning as a fourth year
   student at CMU he keeps busy by doing watersports. Yes, watersports. I
   took a double take at that one, before realising he was talking about
   water polo and swimming. He comes prepared, Boy Scout and all! 
   
   I of course am most thrilled to find that we've another developer with a
   keen interest in the human brain, he may not be able to read your mind
   but he does speak bash, C, C++, Java, Perl and some sml. 
   
   So yeah, buy him a pint and welcome him onboard!
 
Welcome aboard, Mike! :)  I hear you're working on paludis, so we might
have to have some sort of fun competition to see who can add features
first. :P
 
  Welcome to the insanityphear!

Did someone say phreak? *hides*

Best,
Elfyn

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Re: [gentoo-dev] (Not so) New Developer - The Paya

2006-09-06 Thread Chris White
On Wednesday 06 September 2006 06:50, John Mylchreest wrote:
 Hi Guys,

 I've been very slack about announcing some of our new guys recently, and
 not least Javier Villavicencio.

I'm too white for this.. how do you say your last name :(?

 Javier, known on IRC as The_Paya, joined us to work on all aspects
 Gentoo/FreeBSD plus anything else he can throw his skills at! 

Diego's gonna be bored

 Coming from Argentina he has an interest in fishing, high end hardware and
 playing with imaging apps.

You use those imaging apps to make the fish look 5x longer don't you :P

 Javier has also done a great job of infiltrating yet another company
 with production servers running Gentoo :)

Did it involve Chuck Norris and roundhouse kicks?

 I'm sure I'm not the only one to throw thank-you's and welcome him on
 board! Here's to a long and enjoyable involvement with Gentoo!

thank you?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] (Not so) New Developer - The Paya

2006-09-06 Thread Javier \The_Paya\ Villavicencio
Chris White wrote:
 On Wednesday 06 September 2006 06:50, John Mylchreest wrote:
 Hi Guys,

 I've been very slack about announcing some of our new guys recently, and
 not least Javier Villavicencio.
 
 I'm too white for this.. how do you say your last name :(?
 
Something like Vee-yah-vee-cehn-cee-oh, all the hindu ppl at work ask
the same question (i don't dare to ask about their names tho), but it's
easier to say it by phone :+P

 Javier, known on IRC as The_Paya, joined us to work on all aspects
 Gentoo/FreeBSD plus anything else he can throw his skills at! 
 
 Diego's gonna be bored
Can't answer that. But i think i can make sure he's currently not ^_^

 
 Coming from Argentina he has an interest in fishing, high end hardware and
 playing with imaging apps.
 
 You use those imaging apps to make the fish look 5x longer don't you :P
Yes, i'm only good at retouching, but it's still pretty hard to
photoshop 310 fishes at the end of a weekend all over a table (5 ppl 62
each more or less). Gotta find that picture now.

 
 Javier has also done a great job of infiltrating yet another company
 with production servers running Gentoo :)
 
 Did it involve Chuck Norris and roundhouse kicks?
I've made a python script that does that (with Chuck's facts), on the
intranet irc channel at work :+).

And there are two places (old jobs) where my gentoo servers are still
running so far, I *hope* they're afraid of Chuck roundhouse kicking
their servers if they try to replace them with something else. But i've
heard they tried with opensuse and debian so far without luck.

 
 I'm sure I'm not the only one to throw thank-you's and welcome him on
 board! Here's to a long and enjoyable involvement with Gentoo!
 
 thank you?
 
you welcome?
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Globalization of some USE flags etc.

2006-09-06 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Wed, 2006-09-06 at 17:56 +0200, arfrever wrote:
 I would like to suggest to globalize cairo and openexr USE flags because they 
 are used by enough amount of packages.
 
 Also I have got a question about udev USE flag.
 udev USE flag is now local USE flag. In 4 cases this flag has description 
 Enable udev rules file installation and in 2 cases - Install as an udev 
 helper instead of a hotplug helper.
 
 As `find /usr/portage/profiles/ -name make.defaults -exec grep -l udev {} \;` 
 says udev USE flag is set defaultly in the following files:
 
 /usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/alpha/2006.0/make.defaults
 /usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/alpha/no-nptl/make.defaults
 /usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/alpha/2006.1/make.defaults
 /usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/x86/2006.0/make.defaults
 /usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/x86/2006.1/make.defaults
 /usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/sparc/sparc32/2006.0/make.defaults
 /usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/sparc/sparc32/2006.1/make.defaults
 /usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/sparc/sparc64/2006.0/make.defaults
 /usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/sparc/sparc64/2006.1/make.defaults
 /usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/ppc/ppc32/2006.0/make.defaults
 /usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/ppc/ppc32/2006.1/make.defaults
 /usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/ppc/ppc64/2006.0/64bit-userland/make.defaults
 /usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/ppc/ppc64/2006.0/32bit-userland/make.defaults
 /usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/ppc/ppc64/2006.0/multilib/make.defaults
 /usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/ppc/ppc64/2006.1/64bit-userland/make.defaults
 /usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/ppc/ppc64/2006.1/32bit-userland/make.defaults
 /usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/ppc/ppc64/2006.1/multilib/make.defaults
 /usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/amd64/2006.1/make.defaults
 /usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/ia64/2006.0/make.defaults
 
 Is udev USE flag set there because of necessity of Enabling udev rules file 
 installation or because of necessity of Installing as an udev helper 
 instead of a hotplug helper?

Actually, because of both.  We definitely want the udev files installed.
Truthfully, they should probably be installed by default.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Trustees Announcement

2006-09-06 Thread Elfyn McBratney
Ciao,

On Tue, Sep 05, 2006 at 12:24:49PM -0400, Seemant Kulleen wrote:
  Dear All,
  
  Trustees voting did actually finish over a month ago.  It's high time
  for the official announcement.  This year's Board of Trustees for the
  Gentoo Foundation has been reduced to 5 people, instead of 13.  That was
  something we wanted a vote on, in addition to the regular board,
  however, only 5 people were nominated.  Thus, they formed the new board:
  
  I present to you, then, the new Board of Trustees:
  
  Chris Gianelloni (wolf31o2)
  Grant Goodyear (g2boojum)
  Stuart Herbert (stuart)
  Seemant Kulleen (seemant)
  Renat Lumpau (rl03)
  
  We will schedule the first Board Meeting for this year, for sometime
  this month, hopefully.
  
  Please note that the board is 60% new, so please do welcome the new
  members.

Congratulations, trustees - new and old! :D  Now where's my Free iPod? ;P

Best,
Elfyn

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Local USE flags bite the dust

2006-09-06 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Sep 06, 2006 at 09:31:56AM -0400, Michael Cummings wrote:
 Brian Harring wrote:
  mail-filter/spamassassin: use.local.desc  unused flag(s): extramodules, 
  pyzor, razor, spf
 
 me thinks there be a bug here - I've removed extramodules from
 use.local.desc, but the others are still used by the 3.1.0 ebuild.

Nah, checks right here; at least the local portdir I have, pyzor, 
razor, extramodules, and spf aren't actually used by 3.1.0.

None of the above are in iuse (what the check uses), so in that 
respect it's right- additionally, pyzror and spf are commented out in 
the ebuild (extramodules/razr aren't turning up in the ebuild, eclass 
maybe).
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: packages going into the tree with non-gentoo maintainers

2006-09-06 Thread Andrej Kacian
On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 16:36:14 +0200
Stefan Schweizer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  this does not allow the actual maintainer to close the bug and
  causes a lot of bugspam for a person who does not care about it
  and should be only contacted in the end to commit
  fixes/patches/bumps.
  Shouldn't matter too much as a gentoo dev is still responsible for
  the package? 
 
 of course he is still responsible. Does not mean he likes to get 10
 mails about people asking for stable keywords and arches stabilizing
 every month.

That comes with being responsible for a package in Gentoo. Live with
it.

  Nobody shoud be adding stuff to portage without taking 
  responsibility for it.
 
 I am not adding stuff. I am fixing existing packages. And I am taking
 responsibility. The maintainer can always assign me bugs if he thinks
 I should take care of them and I read and take care of them anyway
 because I am on maintainer-needed.

That's fine and all, but it sort of sets a precedent - not everyone is
on maintainer-needed.

 PS: mailing lists are a bit broken. 3 people answer me and ask almost
 the same and I answer almost the same again ..

Then answer in only one subthread, and rest of them will die... :)

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: packages going into the tree with non-gentoo maintainers

2006-09-06 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Sunday 03 September 2006 16:36, Stefan Schweizer wrote:
 I am not adding stuff. I am fixing existing packages. And I am taking
 responsibility.

How wonderful this sort of maintenance is you can read here:

https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146626

Am I the only one who has a problem with this?


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: packages going into the tree with non-gentoo maintainers

2006-09-06 Thread Stephen P. Becker

Carsten Lohrke wrote:

On Sunday 03 September 2006 16:36, Stefan Schweizer wrote:

I am not adding stuff. I am fixing existing packages. And I am taking
responsibility.


How wonderful this sort of maintenance is you can read here:

https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146626

Am I the only one who has a problem with this?


I find this not at all surprising considering that one of his recent 
mentees failed so many of the ebuild quiz questions so badly as to be 
outright denied (which is not at all the recruit's fault).  In any case, 
if you don't appreciate Stefan taking responsibility for stuff which 
he has no business touching in the first place, you have every right to 
tell him to piss off.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] packages going into the tree with non-gentoo maintainers

2006-09-06 Thread Mike Frysinger
lets try resending this since our shitty mail servers seemed to have eaten it

On Sunday 03 September 2006 05:20, Kevin F. Quinn wrote:
 or the
 committer be listed as a maintainer email address along with whoever is
 being proxied.

maybe extend metadata.xml syntax ... add a proxy dev maintainer tag and leave 
the external non-gentoo as the maintainer

 Further I believe bugs against such packages should be  
 assigned to the @gentoo.org address (proxy maintainer if there is one,
 herd otherwise), and CC'ed to the proxied maintainer address.

i dont think this really matters ... assign it to the guy doing the fixing and 
cc the guy doing the committing
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: packages going into the tree with non-gentoo maintainers

2006-09-06 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Sep 06, 2006 at 10:37:21PM -0400, Stephen P. Becker wrote:
 Carsten Lohrke wrote:
 On Sunday 03 September 2006 16:36, Stefan Schweizer wrote:
 I am not adding stuff. I am fixing existing packages. And I am taking
 responsibility.
 
 How wonderful this sort of maintenance is you can read here:
 
 https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146626
 
 Am I the only one who has a problem with this?
 
 I find this not at all surprising considering that one of his recent 
 mentees failed so many of the ebuild quiz questions so badly as to be 
 outright denied (which is not at all the recruit's fault).  In any case, 
 if you don't appreciate Stefan taking responsibility for stuff which 
 he has no business touching in the first place, you have every right to 
 tell him to piss off.

Maybe I'm just a moron (well, likely I am), but why are you two 
posting this shit on the dev ml?

Conflict for a change, fine, carlo go revert it. 

Crazy notion, but it's a one minute revert, yes it's not your mess but 
it is your package and _your_ users, leaving your users hanging 
because you're trying to make genstef clean something up screws the 
users over.

The proper forum for crap like this is via taking it up with 
QA/devrel.

Screaming about a change on the ml doesn't accomplish anything more 
then making you look like a jack ass trying to publically embarass 
someone you're pissed at; at least carlo has a reason, stephen you're 
just being an asshole.

Further, Stephen shouldn't even know about a candidates failing, let 
alone go stating it on a public ml.

Really nice one there; someone tries to help, deemed not yet skilled 
enough to have access to the tree, and you're bringing it up as a way 
to take potshots at genstef.

Further, you're taking a potshot at a dev candidate who via going 
through the process was at least *trying* to contribute, even if they 
didn't pass the quiz.

Carlo, go talk to devrel, stephen, go do your monthly mips stabling.
Meanwhile spare us the idiocy, and do something productive.

Screaming on a ml won't solve the conflict, just makes the screamer 
look childish.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: packages going into the tree with non-gentoo maintainers

2006-09-06 Thread Mike Frysinger
lets try resending this since our shitty mail servers seemed to have eaten it

On Sunday 03 September 2006 10:22, Stefan Schweizer wrote:
 Paul de Vrieze wrote:
  The maintainer must still be someone with a
  gentoo email.

 is that written down somewhere? I was under the impression that it is
 allowed and have seen it used for example
 in /usr/portage/www-client/links/metadata.xml

except that metadata has something the ones in question here do not: a contact 
at gentoo.org if the non-gentoo.org is AFK
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: packages going into the tree with non-gentoo maintainers

2006-09-06 Thread Luca Barbato
Carsten Lohrke wrote:
 On Sunday 03 September 2006 16:36, Stefan Schweizer wrote:
 I am not adding stuff. I am fixing existing packages. And I am taking
 responsibility.
 
 How wonderful this sort of maintenance is you can read here:
 
 https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146626
 
 Am I the only one who has a problem with this?
 

Genstef PLEASE always contact the related herd before adding stuff.

lu

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Paid support

2006-09-06 Thread Curtis Napier
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I'm in support of having a list of devs who want to do paid support.
Anything that helps people eat is OK in my book. ;)

On the other hand, I think we need to have the foundation run this past
our lawyer(s) and make sure we have our i's dotted and out t's crossed.
I would hate for something good like this to cause us problems down the
road.

I know christel is consulting with an accountant about adpot-a-dev,
maybe she can throw this in as well?


- --Curtis


ps. I didn't read every message in the thread, sorry if I'm repeating
stuff that's already been covered.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] (Not so) New Developer - The Paya

2006-09-06 Thread Luis Francisco Araujo

John Mylchreest wrote:

Hi Guys,

I've been very slack about announcing some of our new guys recently, and
not least Javier Villavicencio.

Javier, known on IRC as The_Paya, joined us to work on all aspects
Gentoo/FreeBSD plus anything else he can throw his skills at! Coming
from Argentina he has an interest in fishing, high end hardware and
playing with imaging apps.

Javier has also done a great job of infiltrating yet another company
with production servers running Gentoo :)

I'm sure I'm not the only one to throw thank-you's and welcome him on
board! Here's to a long and enjoyable involvement with Gentoo!



Bienvenido!

The south-america conspiracy is growing up!

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Luis F. Araujo araujo at gentoo.org
Gentoo Linux


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