Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mike Frysinger wrote: some topics off the top of my head: - unaddressed CoC issues: - add a mission statement - fix wording to have a positive spin - what else ? - sync Social Contract with Gentoo Foundation statement (external entities) - documentation for mail servers still pending i believe (SPF / reply-to) - PMS: - status update from spb - moving it to Gentoo svn - schedule for getting remaining issues settled - splitting gentoo-dev mailing lists ? -mike apparent decline of QA in our packages. - -- === Mike Doty kingtaco -at- gentoo.org Gentoo Council Gentoo Infrastructure Gentoo/AMD64 Strategic Lead GPG: E1A5 1C9C 93FE F430 C1D6 F2AF 806B A2E4 19F4 AE05 === -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.2 (GNU/Linux) iQCVAwUBRhNA4oBrouQZ9K4FAQI5UAQAwvttdK9LELxXCckP4wm3AblkNt7y0SAt 7RX5H4X7b0Jmp0E2uGYnWGRcdQcLCLxDNkIrNK7NDZgo+zOJeuHL6kOe8v1FaQYl REifgbI1iltpvRPdMmBFL9wnDbRJt2CiG7RwpTS0aR503JGt+CjY5TYzvH4g194U vsXBGvCXHB4= =bdZs -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April
Mike Doty wrote: apparent decline of QA in our packages. Anyone got numbers for that? Talking opinions, as in the SCM discussion, isn't real meaningful. Thanks, Donnie -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April
On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 01:51:56AM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: some topics off the top of my head: - unaddressed CoC issues: - add a mission statement - fix wording to have a positive spin - what else ? We need quite a few more people on the CoC team. One reason being that we want to be sure to cover more timezzones and different cultures. Other reason being to make sure it's not just an old boys club where everybody on the team sees things exactly the same way which could easily undermine any consensus based decisions. - sync Social Contract with Gentoo Foundation statement (external entities) - documentation for mail servers still pending i believe (SPF / reply-to) Kingtaco or robbat2 said they would commit that documentation a good while ago iirc. - PMS: - status update from spb - moving it to Gentoo svn - schedule for getting remaining issues settled - splitting gentoo-dev mailing lists ? -mike Regards, Bryan Østergaard -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April
Since i tried to get things running for the last week or two, i need to throw in my 2 cents here. On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 10:18:17AM +0200, Bryan Østergaard wrote: On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 01:51:56AM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: some topics off the top of my head: - unaddressed CoC issues: - add a mission statement ++, also some other docs stuff. - fix wording to have a positive spin Sounds like a good idea. Since i first read about this here on the dev list: Please, if you want to get stuff done, at least cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] so they have a chance to do so. - what else ? We need quite a few more people on the CoC team. One reason being that we want to be sure to cover more timezzones and different cultures. I fully agree. So far two people have been added, who were suggested by me and added after a given timeframe had passed with no complaints. Still, this is not enough yet i think. Other reason being to make sure it's not just an old boys club where everybody on the team sees things exactly the same way which could easily undermine any consensus based decisions. Which is the reason i didn't bring in more people myself, but am still waiting for others to suggest someone. :-P Other than that, i already expected this to be a topic at the next council meeting and there is a list of things that should be done by then. cheers, Wernfried -- Wernfried Haas (amne) - amne at gentoo dot org Gentoo Forums: http://forums.gentoo.org IRC: #gentoo-forums on freenode - email: forum-mods at gentoo dot org pgpTe3IM5RzPA.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April
On Wednesday 04 April 2007, Wernfried Haas wrote: Since i tried to get things running for the last week or two, i need to throw in my 2 cents here. On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 10:18:17AM +0200, Bryan Østergaard wrote: On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 01:51:56AM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: - unaddressed CoC issues: - add a mission statement ++, also some other docs stuff. snip Other than that, i already expected this to be a topic at the next council meeting and there is a list of things that should be done by then. rather than hinting at stuff, can we make sure all issues expect to have discussed actually enumerated ? vagueness in the past has forced us to simply punt topics to the next meeting :/ -mike pgpl0ILFpbdkm.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April
On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 05:55:56AM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Wednesday 04 April 2007, Wernfried Haas wrote: Since i tried to get things running for the last week or two, i need to throw in my 2 cents here. On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 10:18:17AM +0200, Bryan Østergaard wrote: On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 01:51:56AM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: - unaddressed CoC issues: - add a mission statement ++, also some other docs stuff. snip Other than that, i already expected this to be a topic at the next council meeting and there is a list of things that should be done by then. rather than hinting at stuff, can we make sure all issues expect to have discussed actually enumerated ? I'm not sure if i understand your question correctly, so sorry if my answer has nothing to with your question. I compiled a list of things that i think need to be done such as defining some general guidelines for work, setting up a project page, recruiting people, etc. Since none of the council people watching over the work complained, i think we're on the right track, but if there's something missing or you have a list of issues that need to be addressed, please give me a copy to merge it with mine. If you want to be involved more closely or need more info, just poke me on irc. vagueness in the past has forced us to simply punt topics to the next meeting :/ I'm a bit sucked up by real life atm, but i definitely want to (and most likely will) to get work done until the next meeting. cheers, Wernfried -- Wernfried Haas (amne) - amne at gentoo dot org Gentoo Forums: http://forums.gentoo.org IRC: #gentoo-forums on freenode - email: forum-mods at gentoo dot org pgpKTQCupy6YM.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-dev] pciparm init script for sys-apps/pciutils
hello list, I just subscribed to this list. Let me introduce myself: I'm an italian Gentoo user (from 3 yrs or so), student in Computer Science Engineering, occasionally developer. Sometimes I did some ebuild contributions through bugzilla (with this email adress). Today I created a little init script in the flavour of hdparm, that is: a config file (/etc/conf.d/pciparm) to tweak PCI latency parameters. I don't know if others PCI registers deserve attention (I just use latency_timer), so I want to submit this to your attention and hear comments. I already filed a bug at: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=173347 have a nice day -- Federico F. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April
On Wednesday 04 April 2007, Wernfried Haas wrote: I compiled a list of things that i think need to be done such as defining some general guidelines for work, snip sorry, due to the thread (things for Council to talk about), i thought the work you were talking about was stuff for the Council to discuss ... that seems to not be the case -mike pgpVbNzaX9ABb.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-dev] Re: pciparm init script for sys-apps/pciutils
federico wrote: Today I created a little init script in the flavour of hdparm, that is: a config file (/etc/conf.d/pciparm) to tweak PCI latency parameters. I don't know if others PCI registers deserve attention (I just use latency_timer), so I want to submit this to your attention and hear comments. What benefits does it show; why would I want it on my machine? -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April
On Sun, Apr 1, 2007 at 12:32:06 +0200, Mike Frysinger wrote: This is your monthly friendly reminder ! Same bat time (typically the 2nd Thursday at 2000 UTC / 1500 EST), same bat channel (#gentoo-council @ irc.freenode.net) ! If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even vote on, let us know ! Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole Gentoo dev list to see. Hi, I won't take this to the council myself, but I think this should be discussed at the very least: we need a way to limit the council power, since it seems there is nothing to this effect in the metastructure glep. I think that when members of the council, who have total control on gentoo, say things like I don't feel we should listen to what the dev community thinks, then one should begin to worry. Concretely, I suggest that a reasonable way is created to appeal council decisions. Of course, one should make sure that this won't led to systematic appeals that would only make people lose time (something like 20% of devs must have agreed to this before any vote takes place, or so). If enough people are interested, I'm sure someone will step up to present this to the council, and if not, well, it will just have been another lost email on this list. Regards, /Alexandre PS: sorry to post this with my g.o address, I haven't resubscribed with another address yet. -- Hi, I'm a .signature virus! Please copy me in your ~/.signature. pgppVGFyDgRlX.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: pciparm init script for sys-apps/pciutils
Steve Long ha scritto: What benefits does it show; why would I want it on my machine? cause you don't want to write setpci stuff in /etc/conf.d/local.start ;D seriously: because you can disable it by a kernel command line 'nopciparm' (like the hdparm script does); because it provides a place to store those settings; although I don't like wrapping each register into a variable... too much work on the script side. would be better to simplify it to: ALL=latency_timer=0b ... CARD_ID=latency_timer=ff rom_address=4801 CARD_ID2=poo=foo ... with pci IDs being read from `lspci` directly -- Federico F. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April
Alexandre Buisse wrote: [Wed Apr 04 2007, 02:36:43PM CDT] I won't take this to the council myself, but I think this should be discussed at the very least: we need a way to limit the council power, since it seems there is nothing to this effect in the metastructure glep. For what it's worth, I deliberately wrote the GLEP that way. The truth of the matter is that the Council has only whatever power the devs permit, so adding additional restrictions seems like a really bad idea to me. I think that when members of the council, who have total control on gentoo, say things like I don't feel we should listen to what the dev community thinks, then one should begin to worry. Someone actually said that? In any event, Gentoo is a community project. If you can convince enough of the community that you're right, and the Council is wrong, then the Council is extremely likely to listen. If they don't, vote out the bums. -g2boojum- -- Grant Goodyear Gentoo Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gentoo.org/~g2boojum GPG Fingerprint: D706 9802 1663 DEF5 81B0 9573 A6DC 7152 E0F6 5B76 pgppKgEGeE8NE.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April
Alexandre Buisse wrote: I won't take this to the council myself, but I think this should be discussed at the very least: we need a way to limit the council power, since it seems there is nothing to this effect in the metastructure glep. I'm not going to write an essay because I don't have the time, but I dislike this idea. We'll just get everything wrapped up in red tape again like devrel was, and who do you appeal to when you (in the plural) decided to put this group of people in charge in the first place? This isn't a three-branch government and I don't think it should be. Thanks, Donnie -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-dev] Bugday comming up!
Hello gentoo ppl, As you all probably know, the next bugday is helt next saturnday :-) So feel free to view the website and stick around in #gentoo-bugs on freenode. Don't be scared to bug the ops/voices for help if needed, that's what they're there for :-) Have a nice bugday all! ;-) Regards, -- Dimitry Bradt (diox -at- gentoo -dot- org) Gentoo Public Relations Gentoo Adopt-a-dev Project Lead (User Rel.) Gentoo Developers Relations Gentoo Events contact Gentoo GWN author Gentoo Dutch Documentation Lead Gentoo VDR Developer -- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April
Grant Goodyear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For what it's worth, I deliberately wrote the GLEP that way. The truth of the matter is that the Council has only whatever power the devs permit, so adding additional restrictions seems like a really bad idea to me. grant++ Seriously, if enough devs can agree that the council's wrong, the council can say all they like, in the end it's the community that has to implement changes. If there's uproar about councils decisions, i'm sure we'd find a way to let them know in a way they can't ignore :) In general, please give the guys some credit, please give the community some credit. We're not powerless, we'll never be. -- Regards, Matti Bickel Homepage: http://www.rateu.de Encrypted/Signed Email preferred pgpoJ5TYtw83W.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Flourish Conference Reminder
All, Please except my apologies for the strong language in my initial response to this. I've been informed that Samir is the real deal and not just a marketing droid. The things that set me off were: 1. Cross posting the same message to a bunch of different mailing lists 2. The HTML formatting 3. The completely generic message. That made me immediately think: mindless marketing droid alert! I'd prefer this list not devolve into an avenue for all sorts of marketing, so that was me nipping it in the bud. So, for the record, even though the message was genuine, I oppose the way in which it was done. Thanks, Seemant signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] Flourish Conference Reminder
Seemant Kulleen wrote: All, Please except my apologies for the strong language in my initial response to this. I've been informed that Samir is the real deal and not just a marketing droid. Apology not accepted. Your language definitely wasn't strong enough. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: pciparm init script for sys-apps/pciutils
federico wrote: Steve Long ha scritto: What benefits does it show; why would I want it on my machine? because it provides a place to store those settings; latency timer settings? the coder in me can like that idea, the usr wants to know so what? although I don't like wrapping each register into a variable... too much work on the script side. would be better to simplify it to: ALL=latency_timer=0b ... CARD_ID=latency_timer=ff rom_address=4801 CARD_ID2=poo=foo ... with pci IDs being read from `lspci` directly Don't get me wrong i find this interesting; just want an idea of application. (Don't know what other registers there are which might be of use..) Would CARD_IDN thus be replaced directly by lspci id? And TBH I think a flat file/ BASH snippet is fine. Config is separate to impl imo. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April
On Wed, Apr 4, 2007 at 22:27:45 +0200, Grant Goodyear wrote: Alexandre Buisse wrote: [Wed Apr 04 2007, 02:36:43PM CDT] I won't take this to the council myself, but I think this should be discussed at the very least: we need a way to limit the council power, since it seems there is nothing to this effect in the metastructure glep. For what it's worth, I deliberately wrote the GLEP that way. The truth of the matter is that the Council has only whatever power the devs permit, so adding additional restrictions seems like a really bad idea to me. This is true as long as you don't have written rules on who is the boss of what. Since the metastructure explicitly says council is the boss of everyone, I don't see why there shouldn't be an explicit but if council messes up, we can appeal and/or fire them. Most power systems, if not all, do have this one way or another. Unlimited power is no good. I think that when members of the council, who have total control on gentoo, say things like I don't feel we should listen to what the dev community thinks, then one should begin to worry. Someone actually said that? Yes, on #gentoo-council iirc. I don't have logs at the moment so I can't give you the reference, but it was during the CoC discussion. In any event, Gentoo is a community project. If you can convince enough of the community that you're right, and the Council is wrong, then the Council is extremely likely to listen. If they don't, vote out the bums. Well, the thing is, vote happens only once a year, and quite a lot of things can be done during that time. I just think that not having any rule at all concerning limitations to the council is tying our hands in our back. If the council never messes up, then this rule won't ever be used, and if they do, we'll be happy to have this handy rather than having to argue for ages and being told you elected us, so shut up and if you don't agree, don't vote for us next time (which is an answer I actually got several times). Now, this is all I have to say on the topic. I resigned from gentoo and, to be perfectly honest, I don't really care one way or another since I'm not involved anymore, but I felt that this should at least be said, since it's in my opinion a major flaw of the current metastructure. Regards, /Alexandre -- Hi, I'm a .signature virus! Please copy me in your ~/.signature. pgpGnwWaDWTik.pgp Description: PGP signature
