[gentoo-dev] Re: Upcoming masking of dev-lang/php-4* and packages depending on it

2007-10-11 Thread Christian Faulhammer
Marius Mauch [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 15:13:49 +0200
 Christian Hoffmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I'm going to p.mask =dev-lang/php-4* and all packages explicitly
  depending on this version of php (i.e. the whole dev-php4/ category
  (36 packages) and one webapp, www-apps/knowledgetree, bug 194894
  [1]) next weekend (around Oct 14th). This step is necessary as
  there is hardly any upstream activity anymore.
 You should probably post that in a more user-oriented channel, like
 gentoo-announce and/or the forums to reduce the number of surprised
 users [1]

 Or even write a short summary for the GWN...they would be happy about
it.

V-Li

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Re: [gentoo-dev] GNU userland and binary package (WAS: RFC: sh versionator.eclass)

2007-10-11 Thread Roy Marples
On Wed, 2007-10-10 at 20:03 -0700, Alec Warner wrote:
  B. don't use GNU extensions in pkg_functions and have some way to export
  them (extract pkg_* functions from environment.bz2). Those can then be
  used by pre/post script in binary package manager.
 
 This is your best bet, but again mandates are ineffective.  As you've
 no doubt noticed with quoting, people will do whatever works and the
 people who aim for odd targets like no GNU crap or sh compatability
 are going to have to do the code reviews and encourage that sort of
 thing.  Just saying 'pre/post functions must be POSIX compatable' will
 get you nowhere.  The point here is to sell your idea to other
 developers; if you can't sell it you may need to take it elsewhere.

This is what I'm preaching, but for the whole ebuild not just the
pre/post functions.

It's a tough crowd as everyone's a zealot with their own favourite must
have tools + the territorial crap which rears it's ugly head from time
to time.

Thanks

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[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in sys-fs/evms: ChangeLog evms-2.5.5-r8.ebuild

2007-10-11 Thread Tiziano Müller
Am Dienstag, 9. Oktober 2007 14.56:24 schrieb Doug Goldstein:
 Donnie Berkholz wrote:
  On 22:01 Mon 08 Oct , Doug Goldstein (cardoe) wrote:
  1.1  sys-fs/evms/evms-2.5.5-r8.ebuild
 
  file :
  http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/sys-fs/evms/evms-2.5.5-r
 8.ebuild?rev=1.1view=markup plain:
  http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/sys-fs/evms/evms-2.5.5-r
 8.ebuild?rev=1.1content-type=text/plain
 
 epatch ${FILESDIR}/${PV}/md_super_fix.patch
 epatch ${FILESDIR}/${PV}/ntfs_unmkfs.patch
 epatch ${FILESDIR}/${PV}/raid5_degrade_fix_v2.patch
 epatch ${FILESDIR}/${PV}/raid5_remove_spare_fix.patch
 epatch ${FILESDIR}/${PV}/raid5_remove_spare_fix_2.patch
 epatch ${FILESDIR}/${PV}/raid5_algorithm.patch
 epatch ${FILESDIR}/${PV}/cli_reload_options.patch
 epatch ${FILESDIR}/${PV}/cli_query_segfault.patch
 epatch ${FILESDIR}/${PV}/get_geometry.patch
 epatch ${FILESDIR}/${PV}/BaseName.patch
 epatch ${FILESDIR}/${PV}/disk_cache.patch
 
 epatch ${FILESDIR}/${P}-as-needed.patch
 epatch ${FILESDIR}/${P}-glib_dep.patch
 epatch ${FILESDIR}/${P}-ocfs2.patch
 epatch ${FILESDIR}/${P}-use_disk_group.patch
 epatch ${FILESDIR}/${P}-pagesize.patch
 
  This would be another good candidate for using epatch's bulk patching,
  particularly if you moved the last group of patches into the PV
  directory.

 dev-zero?
Nope. The stuff in ${PV} are the patches upstream has on their servers, while 
the others are mostly Gentoo-specific or something else. So I want them to be 
separated.
And I don't see any reason to start renaming now.

Cheers,
Tiziano

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in sys-fs/evms: ChangeLog evms-2.5.5-r8.ebuild

2007-10-11 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 11:13 Thu 11 Oct , Tiziano Müller wrote:
 Am Dienstag, 9. Oktober 2007 14.56:24 schrieb Doug Goldstein:
  Donnie Berkholz wrote:
   On 22:01 Mon 08 Oct , Doug Goldstein (cardoe) wrote:
   1.1  sys-fs/evms/evms-2.5.5-r8.ebuild
  
   file :
   http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/sys-fs/evms/evms-2.5.5-r
  8.ebuild?rev=1.1view=markup plain:
   http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/sys-fs/evms/evms-2.5.5-r
  8.ebuild?rev=1.1content-type=text/plain
  
epatch ${FILESDIR}/${PV}/md_super_fix.patch
epatch ${FILESDIR}/${PV}/ntfs_unmkfs.patch
epatch ${FILESDIR}/${PV}/raid5_degrade_fix_v2.patch
epatch ${FILESDIR}/${PV}/raid5_remove_spare_fix.patch
epatch ${FILESDIR}/${PV}/raid5_remove_spare_fix_2.patch
epatch ${FILESDIR}/${PV}/raid5_algorithm.patch
epatch ${FILESDIR}/${PV}/cli_reload_options.patch
epatch ${FILESDIR}/${PV}/cli_query_segfault.patch
epatch ${FILESDIR}/${PV}/get_geometry.patch
epatch ${FILESDIR}/${PV}/BaseName.patch
epatch ${FILESDIR}/${PV}/disk_cache.patch
  
epatch ${FILESDIR}/${P}-as-needed.patch
epatch ${FILESDIR}/${P}-glib_dep.patch
epatch ${FILESDIR}/${P}-ocfs2.patch
epatch ${FILESDIR}/${P}-use_disk_group.patch
epatch ${FILESDIR}/${P}-pagesize.patch
  
   This would be another good candidate for using epatch's bulk patching,
   particularly if you moved the last group of patches into the PV
   directory.
 
  dev-zero?
 Nope. The stuff in ${PV} are the patches upstream has on their servers, while 
 the others are mostly Gentoo-specific or something else. So I want them to be 
 separated.
 And I don't see any reason to start renaming now.

Oh, I would've expected upstream patches to be in SRC_URI ...

Thanks,
Donnie
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[gentoo-dev] Kolab2/Gentoo project

2007-10-11 Thread Gunnar Wrobel
Hi!

Kolab (http://www.kolab.org) is an IMAP based groupware server that
works with a variety of clients. The server is usually deployed on the
OpenPKG distribution which allows to preconfigure the complex
combination of postfix, cyrus imap, openldap, amavisd etc. This
significantly reduces the effort for the system administrator to get
the groupware server up and running.

I have been working on integrating this groupware server natively into
Gentoo for two years now. The kolab2 overlay provides the native
server version since about one and a half years.

There is still a lot of work necessary to get the upstream code into
shape so that it has the necessary quality to package it in a sane way
for portage. I'm working on that.

The project has advanced far enough though that I feel it is a good
time point to declare this a real Gentoo project.

http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/kolab/index.xml

A first target of the project will be the integration of Kolab
specific patches into the packages net-libs/c-client, dev-lang/php
as well as net-mail/cyrus-imapd.

I know there are other developers (and probably many users) interested
in the Kolab server project and I'd be glad if people join the effort.

Cheers,

Gunnar 

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Re: [gentoo-dev] New projects (was: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder...)

2007-10-11 Thread Alec Warner
On 10/11/07, Torsten Veller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Last council decided:

 | Design phase for new projects: New projects need to post an RFC
 |   containing information about their goals, the plan on how to
 |   implement their goals and the necessary resources to -dev prior to
 |   creating the project.
 |
 |   This proposal was accepted with 6 members voting yes and one member
 |   abstained from voting
 http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/meeting-logs/20061019-summary.txt

 GLEP 39 was not updated and still says:

 | Any dev may create a new project just by creating a new page (or, more
 | realistically, directory and page) in gentoo/xml/htdocs/proj/en.
 http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/glep/glep-0039.html


 This week two new subdirs were added to proj/en.
 (One was just added for an existing project.)

 Can the glepeditors update GLEP 39 to reflect the coucil decision?
 Maybe a new project should also be announced in -dev-announce (and GWN
 if they want to).


I'll get to that now.

-Alec

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Re: [gentoo-dev] New projects

2007-10-11 Thread Doug Goldstein
Alec Warner wrote:
 On 10/11/07, Torsten Veller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Last council decided:

 | Design phase for new projects: New projects need to post an RFC
 |   containing information about their goals, the plan on how to
 |   implement their goals and the necessary resources to -dev prior to
 |   creating the project.
 |
 |   This proposal was accepted with 6 members voting yes and one member
 |   abstained from voting
 http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/meeting-logs/20061019-summary.txt

 GLEP 39 was not updated and still says:

 | Any dev may create a new project just by creating a new page (or, more
 | realistically, directory and page) in gentoo/xml/htdocs/proj/en.
 http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/glep/glep-0039.html


 This week two new subdirs were added to proj/en.
 (One was just added for an existing project.)

 Can the glepeditors update GLEP 39 to reflect the coucil decision?
 Maybe a new project should also be announced in -dev-announce (and GWN
 if they want to).

 

 I'll get to that now.

 -Alec
   
Shouldn't it really be a new GLEP that replaced the old GLEP 39? Since
the way the GLEP system works, i.e. obsoleted by GLEP ## and we
typically don't edit them once their out of draft status.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Upcoming masking of dev-lang/php-4* and packages depending on it

2007-10-11 Thread Christian Hoffmann
On 2007-10-11 at 07:58 +0200, Christian Faulhammer wrote:

 Marius Mauch [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
  On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 15:13:49 +0200
  Christian Hoffmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I'm going to p.mask =dev-lang/php-4* and all packages explicitly
   depending on this version of php (i.e. the whole dev-php4/
   category (36 packages) and one webapp, www-apps/knowledgetree,
   bug 194894 [1]) next weekend (around Oct 14th). This step is
   necessary as there is hardly any upstream activity anymore.
  You should probably post that in a more user-oriented channel, like
  gentoo-announce and/or the forums to reduce the number of
  surprised users [1]
Ok, haven't seen the thread, but it's probably a very good idea to
post something to -announce / forums anyway. I'll do that later today.

We'll also move the date of masking to Oct 18th, so that the wider
userbase has one full week time to prepare for the masking as well. :)


  Or even write a short summary for the GWN...they would be happy about
 it.
I already submitted something on the same day I sent the
-dev{,-announce} mail.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] integrating solaris overlay into main portage

2007-10-11 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 10 October 2007, Christian Parpart wrote:
 How do you feel with that idea?

if all you're doing is adding a new KEYWORD to an ebuild, you can just do 
it ... you dont need permission to go around running `ekeyword`
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming masking of dev-lang/php-4* and packages depending on it

2007-10-11 Thread Christian Hoffmann
On 2007-10-10 at 22:44 -0700, Josh Saddler wrote:

 Since you're doing the masking, can you please help out the GDP by
 reviewing a few of our documents for any potential changes that must
 be made? Grepping for php4 shows that there are references in the
 following docs:

The occurences of -D PHP4 in all 4 documents can safely be replaced by
-D PHP5, syntactically (assuming the software in question works with
php-5 as well, but the ebuilds do not depend on =php-4* explictily, so
I guess it's the case here).

Additionally:

 1. http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/jffnms.xml
sed s:apache2-php4:apache2-php5:g
sed s:/usr/share/php4:/usr/share/php5:
I'm not sure about the last sentence on the page:
 You may also run into problems when configuring Apache to work with
 PHP (specially if you run both PHP4 and PHP5 on the same system). In
 that case, our Configuring Apache to Work with PHP4 and PHP5 guide
 may give you some help.
Maybe removing it completely would be best?

 2. http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/apache-troubleshooting.xml
This is outdated regarding php anyway:
 $ equery depends www-servers/apache
 [ Searching for packages depending on www-servers/apache... ]
 dev-php/phpsysinfo-2.3-r2
 dev-php/phpsysinfo-2.1-r2
 dev-php/mod_php-4.3.11-r2
^^ should be dev-lang/php-5.2.4_p20070914-r2
 net-www/mod_layout-4.0.1a-r1
 www-servers/gorg-0.5
 
 (then rebuild any modules you have installed)
 # emerge -av '=dev-php/mod_php-4.3.11-r2'
^^ same here, must be '=dev-lang/php-5.2.4_p20070914-r2' (is it really
useful to specify full versions here?)
 '=net-www/mod_layout-4.0.1.a-r1'


I know that the PHP documentation itself needs a lot of updates, too,
(not only regarding masking of php-4) and I'll try to work on it in the
next weeks.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in sys-fs/ncdu: ChangeLog ncdu-1.3.ebuild

2007-10-11 Thread Wolfram Schlich
* Robert Buchholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-10-08 05:53]:
 On Thursday, 4. October 2007, Josh Sled wrote:
  Wolfram Schlich [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
   * Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-10-03 19:12]:
   On 12:43 Wed 03 Oct , Wolfram Schlich wrote:
And *please*, don't send such mails to this
list *and* to my address in addition.
  
   You can add a procmail rule to detect duplicates using a cache and
   checking Message-Id, with formail. Examples of this are all over
   the place. It's a useful rule to have for many reasons besides
   this.
  
   Yeah, but it's unpredictable *which* one of the two mails makes
   it first onto my system, thus the one *not* sent to the list might
 
  Sigh.
 
  It is the same message, addressed To/Cc: you and/or the list, no
  matter which one is delivered first.  So just put all list(+private)
  filtering before personal filtering.
 
 That doesn't work when filtering for List-Id headers which can be nicely 
 used with regex matching like so:
 [...]

Yup, I *only* filter mailing lists by list related headers like List-Id:
and others -- filtering list mails by To:/Cc:/Subject: headers is
broken by design.

My current gentoo-commits reply spamfilter looks like this:
--8--
## Gentoo spam
:0
* ^From:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
* ^Subject.*\[gentoo-commits\]
* ! ^List-Id:
/dev/null
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in sys-fs/evms: ChangeLog evms-2.5.5-r8.ebuild

2007-10-11 Thread Michael Sterrett -Mr. Bones.-

On Thu, 11 Oct 2007, Tiziano M�ller wrote:


Am Dienstag, 9. Oktober 2007 14.56:24 schrieb Doug Goldstein:

Donnie Berkholz wrote:

On 22:01 Mon 08 Oct , Doug Goldstein (cardoe) wrote:

1.1  sys-fs/evms/evms-2.5.5-r8.ebuild

file :
http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/sys-fs/evms/evms-2.5.5-r
8.ebuild?rev=1.1view=markup plain:
http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/sys-fs/evms/evms-2.5.5-r
8.ebuild?rev=1.1content-type=text/plain

epatch ${FILESDIR}/${PV}/md_super_fix.patch
epatch ${FILESDIR}/${PV}/ntfs_unmkfs.patch
epatch ${FILESDIR}/${PV}/raid5_degrade_fix_v2.patch
epatch ${FILESDIR}/${PV}/raid5_remove_spare_fix.patch
epatch ${FILESDIR}/${PV}/raid5_remove_spare_fix_2.patch
epatch ${FILESDIR}/${PV}/raid5_algorithm.patch
epatch ${FILESDIR}/${PV}/cli_reload_options.patch
epatch ${FILESDIR}/${PV}/cli_query_segfault.patch
epatch ${FILESDIR}/${PV}/get_geometry.patch
epatch ${FILESDIR}/${PV}/BaseName.patch
epatch ${FILESDIR}/${PV}/disk_cache.patch

epatch ${FILESDIR}/${P}-as-needed.patch
epatch ${FILESDIR}/${P}-glib_dep.patch
epatch ${FILESDIR}/${P}-ocfs2.patch
epatch ${FILESDIR}/${P}-use_disk_group.patch
epatch ${FILESDIR}/${P}-pagesize.patch


This would be another good candidate for using epatch's bulk patching,
particularly if you moved the last group of patches into the PV
directory.


dev-zero?

Nope. The stuff in ${PV} are the patches upstream has on their servers, while
the others are mostly Gentoo-specific or something else. So I want them to be
separated.
And I don't see any reason to start renaming now.


Still no good reason not to just call epatch once:

epatch \
list \
of \
patches \
here

Michael Sterrett
  -Mr. Bones.-
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[gentoo-dev] Possible USE=gnome abusing in ebuilds.

2007-10-11 Thread Samuli Suominen
Hi,

Recently, I've edited or bumped some ebuilds which had USE gnome in
them but it was actually doing something entirely different in them,
like latest edition of media-libs/raptor had USE gnome pulling in glib
which it was using for unicode purposes (so USE unicode was natural
choice but only gnome users had it until now)

I'm not pointing or blaming anyone but next time you edit an ebuild
which is using USE gnome please check what it is actually doing and
note that GLIB and GTK+ is NOT gnome

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[gentoo-dev] new category for texlive modular ebuilds?

2007-10-11 Thread Alexis Ballier
Hi, 

this might be worth discussion also (and make me even more late on my
schedule with merging texlive, but I knew I'd be)

In my overlay I was using a dev-texlive category for the texlive
modular texmf ebuilds
[as a side note :
dev-texlive $ ls | wc -l
79
]

that was to avoid polluting dev-tex (which would be the current most
suitable category for those ebuilds), but well, both categories are fine
by me. What do you think about it ? I'd say not polluting it and put
them in a new category is better as it doesn't cost anything, but I
might have missed something.


Alexis.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming masking of dev-lang/php-4* and packages depending on it

2007-10-11 Thread Josh Saddler
Christian Hoffmann wrote:
 On 2007-10-10 at 22:44 -0700, Josh Saddler wrote:
 
 Since you're doing the masking, can you please help out the GDP by
 reviewing a few of our documents for any potential changes that must
 be made? Grepping for php4 shows that there are references in the
 following docs:
 
 The occurences of -D PHP4 in all 4 documents can safely be replaced by
 -D PHP5, syntactically (assuming the software in question works with
 php-5 as well, but the ebuilds do not depend on =php-4* explictily, so
 I guess it's the case here).
 
 Additionally:
 
 1. http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/jffnms.xml
 sed s:apache2-php4:apache2-php5:g
 sed s:/usr/share/php4:/usr/share/php5:
 I'm not sure about the last sentence on the page:
 You may also run into problems when configuring Apache to work with
 PHP (specially if you run both PHP4 and PHP5 on the same system). In
 that case, our Configuring Apache to Work with PHP4 and PHP5 guide
 may give you some help.
 Maybe removing it completely would be best?
 
 2. http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/apache-troubleshooting.xml
 This is outdated regarding php anyway:
 $ equery depends www-servers/apache
 [ Searching for packages depending on www-servers/apache... ]
 dev-php/phpsysinfo-2.3-r2
 dev-php/phpsysinfo-2.1-r2
 dev-php/mod_php-4.3.11-r2
 ^^ should be dev-lang/php-5.2.4_p20070914-r2
 net-www/mod_layout-4.0.1a-r1
 www-servers/gorg-0.5

 (then rebuild any modules you have installed)
 # emerge -av '=dev-php/mod_php-4.3.11-r2'
 ^^ same here, must be '=dev-lang/php-5.2.4_p20070914-r2' (is it really
 useful to specify full versions here?)
 '=net-www/mod_layout-4.0.1.a-r1'
 
 
 I know that the PHP documentation itself needs a lot of updates, too,
 (not only regarding masking of php-4) and I'll try to work on it in the
 next weeks.

Thanks for the fixes; I'll get busy committing them.




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Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming masking of dev-lang/php-4* and packages depending on it

2007-10-11 Thread Josh Saddler
Josh Saddler wrote:
 Christian Hoffmann wrote:
 On 2007-10-10 at 22:44 -0700, Josh Saddler wrote:

 Since you're doing the masking, can you please help out the GDP by
 reviewing a few of our documents for any potential changes that must
 be made? Grepping for php4 shows that there are references in the
 following docs:
 The occurences of -D PHP4 in all 4 documents can safely be replaced by
 -D PHP5, syntactically (assuming the software in question works with
 php-5 as well, but the ebuilds do not depend on =php-4* explictily, so
 I guess it's the case here).

 Additionally:

 1. http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/jffnms.xml
 sed s:apache2-php4:apache2-php5:g
 sed s:/usr/share/php4:/usr/share/php5:
 I'm not sure about the last sentence on the page:
 You may also run into problems when configuring Apache to work with
 PHP (specially if you run both PHP4 and PHP5 on the same system). In
 that case, our Configuring Apache to Work with PHP4 and PHP5 guide
 may give you some help.
 Maybe removing it completely would be best?

 2. http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/apache-troubleshooting.xml
 This is outdated regarding php anyway:
 $ equery depends www-servers/apache
 [ Searching for packages depending on www-servers/apache... ]
 dev-php/phpsysinfo-2.3-r2
 dev-php/phpsysinfo-2.1-r2
 dev-php/mod_php-4.3.11-r2
 ^^ should be dev-lang/php-5.2.4_p20070914-r2
 net-www/mod_layout-4.0.1a-r1
 www-servers/gorg-0.5

 (then rebuild any modules you have installed)
 # emerge -av '=dev-php/mod_php-4.3.11-r2'
 ^^ same here, must be '=dev-lang/php-5.2.4_p20070914-r2' (is it really
 useful to specify full versions here?)
 '=net-www/mod_layout-4.0.1.a-r1'

 I know that the PHP documentation itself needs a lot of updates, too,
 (not only regarding masking of php-4) and I'll try to work on it in the
 next weeks.
 
 Thanks for the fixes; I'll get busy committing them.

. . . fixed in CVS!




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[gentoo-dev] Council meeting summary for 11 October 2007

2007-10-11 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Hi all,

Here is the summary from today's council meeting. The complete log will 
show up at http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/ shortly.

Thanks,
Donnie
Summary of 11 October 2007 council meeting

Present: all members, josejx proxying for lu_zero

=
What are not clear are (1) whether the Code of Conduct is in effect; (2)
if so, how we enforce it.

- The CoC is in effect, but it needs a new enforcement section since the 
proctors were disbanded. The council is sending discussion of this to 
the gentoo-project list, to come up with proposals for three points:
- who enforces it
- musikc said devrel could
- tsunam said userrel could
- how to enforce it
- whether it's active or passive enforcement
- which actions are appropriate

- If the -project list does not come up with a draft, dberkholz will 
write one based on -project discussion to vote upon at the November 
council meeting.

=
packages.gentoo.org: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=187971
comment #86 from marduk on rewrite
comment #90 re jokey's rewrite (comment #85)

- The infrastructure team will decide the future of packages.gentoo.org.

- KingTaco informed us that the current code will probably not return. 
Alternatives include:

- http://packages.gentooext.net/ (written by jokey)
- http://spaceparanoids.org/gentoo/gpnl/ (written by beandog)
- http://gentoo-portage.com/

- Until we get a replacement, packages.gentoo.org will link to 
alternatives. It now links to a forums thread describing them.

=
GLEP 39: project RFC addition

- We will amend the GLEP rather than writing a new one, and a note will 
be added saying the GLEP was amended.

=
When does the new council term end?

- Voting will always take place the same month, as mentioned in 
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/52081/focus=52143

- If the new council is delayed, it gets a slightly shortened term.

=
Open floor

- Where is the PMS repo?
- robbat2 has imported it. It's in git. Need to ping him for 
details.

- The channel was not moderated during the meeting and it went well. 
Let's try that again next time.


Re: [gentoo-dev] New projects

2007-10-11 Thread Alec Warner
Glep 54 now replaces (and depends on) glep 39.

Like the commit message says, the spirit of the glep was approved long
ago, if you have issues with wording please to be taking it up with me
so we can make it pretty (particularly the backwards compatibility
section)

-Love antarus

On 10/11/07, Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 10/11/07, Doug Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Alec Warner wrote:
   On 10/11/07, Torsten Veller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Last council decided:
  
   | Design phase for new projects: New projects need to post an RFC
   |   containing information about their goals, the plan on how to
   |   implement their goals and the necessary resources to -dev prior to
   |   creating the project.
   |
   |   This proposal was accepted with 6 members voting yes and one member
   |   abstained from voting
   http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/meeting-logs/20061019-summary.txt
  
   GLEP 39 was not updated and still says:
  
   | Any dev may create a new project just by creating a new page (or, more
   | realistically, directory and page) in gentoo/xml/htdocs/proj/en.
   http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/glep/glep-0039.html
  
  
   This week two new subdirs were added to proj/en.
   (One was just added for an existing project.)
  
   Can the glepeditors update GLEP 39 to reflect the coucil decision?
   Maybe a new project should also be announced in -dev-announce (and GWN
   if they want to).
  
  
  
   I'll get to that now.
  
   -Alec
  
  Shouldn't it really be a new GLEP that replaced the old GLEP 39? Since
  the way the GLEP system works, i.e. obsoleted by GLEP ## and we
  typically don't edit them once their out of draft status.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] New projects

2007-10-11 Thread Doug Goldstein

Alec Warner wrote:

Glep 54 now replaces (and depends on) glep 39.

Like the commit message says, the spirit of the glep was approved long
ago, if you have issues with wording please to be taking it up with me
so we can make it pretty (particularly the backwards compatibility
section)

-Love antarus



you mention using Outlook in another thread and then you top post. 
What e-mail infraction will you commit next? Writing e-mails in all 
caps? Sending e-mails with blank subject lines?


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Possible USE=gnome abusing in ebuilds.

2007-10-11 Thread Doug Goldstein

Samuli Suominen wrote:

Hi,

Recently, I've edited or bumped some ebuilds which had USE gnome in
them but it was actually doing something entirely different in them,
like latest edition of media-libs/raptor had USE gnome pulling in glib
which it was using for unicode purposes (so USE unicode was natural
choice but only gnome users had it until now)

I'm not pointing or blaming anyone but next time you edit an ebuild
which is using USE gnome please check what it is actually doing and
note that GLIB and GTK+ is NOT gnome

Thanks, drac


Kinda like the GNOME herd does themselves? I've pointed this one out a 
few times just cause it annoys me... gnome-mount has USE=gnome... 
well... DUH! it's a gnome-volume-manager specific and GNOME Desktop 
specific wrapper for HAL based mounting. Obviously it's used by GNOME 
and only does and can function within a GNOME Destkop environment. But 
what does this USE flag mean? Oh, it simply means you want to build the 
Nautilus extension! Do we already have a USE=nautilus? Yes, yes we do. 
It's a local USE flag used in 3 packages, 2 of those 3 are GNOME herd 
packages.


Either way, the Gentopia copies of gnome-mount continue to use a 
nautilus USE flag. Maybe someday, the light will shine.


Since body language and tone do 90% of speaking and words only do 10%, I 
would like to just point out that the sarcasm of this e-mail is 
intentional but not meant to be insulting. It's merely a point 
highlighting the fact that a non-GNOME herd member made a request that 
the GNOME herd should make and the herd should stick to.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] new category for texlive modular ebuilds?

2007-10-11 Thread Drake Wyrm
Alexis Ballier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi, 
 
 this might be worth discussion also (and make me even more late on my
 schedule with merging texlive, but I knew I'd be)
 
 In my overlay I was using a dev-texlive category for the texlive
 modular texmf ebuilds
 [as a side note :
 dev-texlive $ ls | wc -l
 79
 ]
 
 that was to avoid polluting dev-tex (which would be the current most
 suitable category for those ebuilds), but well, both categories are fine
 by me. What do you think about it ? I'd say not polluting it and put
 them in a new category is better as it doesn't cost anything, but I
 might have missed something.

I would have expected app-text, the current home of the other TeX
interpreters, to be more appropriate than dev-tex. Then again, with 79
new ebuilds, it might be prudent to open another category. If you did
that, though, I'd suggest putting texlive and the other TeX interpreters
in the same category. Perhaps app-tex would be good. Would that cause
much confusion, being one letter off from an existing category?

On the other hand (or is this back on the first hand?), 79 new packages
wouldn't be much of a splash in the 231 existing packages of app-text.

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[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in sys-apps/baselayout: ChangeLog baselayout-2.0.0_rc5.ebuild

2007-10-11 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 15:56 Thu 11 Oct , Roy Marples (uberlord) wrote:
 1.1  sys-apps/baselayout/baselayout-2.0.0_rc5.ebuild
 
 file : 
 http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/sys-apps/baselayout/baselayout-2.0.0_rc5.ebuild?rev=1.1view=markup
 plain: 
 http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/sys-apps/baselayout/baselayout-2.0.0_rc5.ebuild?rev=1.1content-type=text/plain

   cp -p ${ROOT}usr/share/baselayout/${x} ${ROOT}etc

Two ROOT's to quote here, not just one. =)

   # We need to copy svcdir if upgrading
   if has_version sys-apps/${PN}-1.13.0_alpha ; then
   (
   . ${ROOT}etc/conf.d/rc
   svcdir=${svcdir:-/var/lib/init.d}
   einfo Moving state from ${ROOT}${svcdir} to 
 ${ROOT}lib/rcscripts/init.d
   cp -RPp ${ROOT}${svcdir}/* ${ROOT}lib/rcscripts/init.d
   rm -rf ${ROOT}lib/rcscripts/init.d/daemons \
   ${ROOT}lib/rcscripts/init.d/console
   umount ${ROOT}${svcdir} 2/dev/null
   rm -rf ${ROOT}${svcdir}
   )

Can this be done in a code block instead, or do svdir and /etc/conf.d/rc 
sourcing pollute things too badly?

   if has_version sys-apps/${PN}-1.13.0_alpha ; then
   (
   . ${ROOT}etc/conf.d/rc
   svcdir=${svcdir:-/var/lib/init.d}
   einfo Moving state from ${ROOT}lib/rcscripts/init.d to 
 ${ROOT}${svcdir}
   mkdir -p ${ROOT}${svcdir}
   cp -RPp ${ROOT}lib/rcscripts/init.d/* ${ROOT}${svcdir}
   rm -rf ${ROOT}${svcdir}/daemons
   umount ${ROOT}lib/rcscripts/init.d 2/dev/null
   rm -rf ${ROOT}lib/rcscripts/init.d
   )

Same question. Also, could this code, as well as the other cases I 
cropped out, simply be abstracted into a function instead?

Thanks,
Donnie
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