Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo Graphical User Interfaces Project
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Benjamin Gramlich wrote: > From what I can tell the goal is to make GUIs to programs like equery, > rc-update, eclean, etc., right? Is there a formal design process here, > or could we all just take a stab at it? > > Ciao, > bg > Yes, plus any other program that can benefit Gentoo systems (for example to edit configuration files). The project is just starting, so, i guess we will just keep stabbing for now and getting a proper formal process on the way :-) The best way to cooperate so far is subscribing to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list and joining us at #gentoo-guis in any case. Thanks and Regards, - -- Luis F. Araujo "araujo at gentoo.org" Gentoo Linux -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFG3zdOBCmRZan6aegRAvLCAKDIq5E2PDcsO8FoI8CMU/bCF7ubZQCgsTQp 6Z4rFsJVK58MQkNM7OZpGJY= =0yJ/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo Graphical User Interfaces Project
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jure Varlec wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I hope this post gets through, I just switched to using gmane, so I'm sorry > > if it gets posted incorrectly. > > > > I take it you intend to use GTK. May I suggest you also provide ncurses Yes, we expect to use mainly either Gtk+ or Qt; though any toolkit easily available on Gentoo would work too. > > interfaces to your programs? I'm not sure how much additional work that > > would be, as I don't program UIs. But an additional ncurses interface would > > provide users with the comfort of having the same tools available in case > > their Xorg fails for some reason, and on their X-less servers. > > This project is focused on 'Graphical Interfaces' (hence its name); therefore that's our main priority. Though a ncurse alternative could be nice for some users, that would imply take other roads that we are not willing to take, at least not yet. It could be possible in the future to re-use part of our work for ncurses and terminal based interfaces , but as i said, it is not our priority. > > Also, if a user modifies a tool-managed config file, the tool shouldn't get > > confused, and vice versa. I'm sure that goes without saying on Gentoo, but > > since I've only used GUI tools on Mandrake and Ubuntu and this is where > > they often fail, I feel the need to mention it. For example, Ubuntu's > > network config tool often didn't match what ifconfig said about the > > interfaces' status; I don't want to know what would happen to it if I used > > ifconfig to actually change configuration. > > Designing a GUI involves many layers , and therefore, many ways of communicating these layers .. it might sound an easy work, but in practice it's tough to do it right. One of this project's goals is to do it right on Gentoo systems. Thanks and Regards, - -- Luis F. Araujo "araujo at gentoo.org" Gentoo Linux -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFG3zJGBCmRZan6aegRAqGLAJ4/JoYrGrTdJzjfoqgEGPvJJHBbWQCfU1Vb LLRKqzkk5qpNLP1ltxRmde8= =pk7v -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo Graphical User Interfaces Project
>From what I can tell the goal is to make GUIs to programs like equery, rc-update, eclean, etc., right? Is there a formal design process here, or could we all just take a stab at it? Ciao, bg Markus Ullmann wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I take it you intend to use GTK. May I suggest you also provide ncurses >> interfaces to your programs? I'm not sure how much additional work that >> would be, as I don't program UIs. But an additional ncurses interface >> would provide users with the comfort of having the same tools available >> in case their Xorg fails for some reason, and on their X-less servers. > > Erm, there is a big hint: patches welcome. > Ncurses has the disadvantage of being a bit "underdocumented". > So programming isn't that much fun, although when someone is willing to > start, help will be there for sure :) > Though we don't limit ourselves to one GUI. From what I've heard on IRC, > nobody declined a request for other toolkit(s) if other people help with it. > > Greetz > -Jokey > -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo Graphical User Interfaces Project
>Hello, > >I take it you intend to use GTK. May I suggest you also provide ncurses >interfaces to your programs? I'm not sure how much additional work that >would be, as I don't program UIs. But an additional ncurses interface >would provide users with the comfort of having the same tools available >in case their Xorg fails for some reason, and on their X-less servers. Erm, there is a big hint: patches welcome. Ncurses has the disadvantage of being a bit "underdocumented". So programming isn't that much fun, although when someone is willing to start, help will be there for sure :) Though we don't limit ourselves to one GUI. From what I've heard on IRC, nobody declined a request for other toolkit(s) if other people help with it. Greetz -Jokey signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo Graphical User Interfaces Project
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Luis Francisco Araujo wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello, > > A group of our developers and i have felt the need of working around a > new goal inside Gentoo: Graphical User Interfaces (GUI). > > Though Gentoo has been considered a very command line interface oriented > system; we believe there is always room for new 'ways' of doing things > in this distribution that helps our users to have a better Gentoo > experience. > > Our main idea is to develop and collect all the necessary applications > to offer GUI's (keeping Gentoo flexibility) for most of our system > tasks, offering an alternative for those users who like these kind of > interfaces. > > So we have started the Gentoo-GUI's project to work around the goal of > making Gentoo more 'GUIzed' :-) > > Please visit the site http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/guis/ for further > information. Note that we are just in the early stage of the project > right now, but anybody is welcome to participate on what we currently > have so far. > > Thanks and Regards, > > - -- > > Luis F. Araujo "araujo at gentoo.org" > Gentoo Linux > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFG28tsBCmRZan6aegRAtQrAJ9xjymmw49BQNezznjbzg/hdJW1TQCgjBRO > HSeHAahhPehzecaxPzOKx3Y= > =+CBK > -END PGP SIGNATURE- Hello, I hope this post gets through, I just switched to using gmane, so I'm sorry if it gets posted incorrectly. I take it you intend to use GTK. May I suggest you also provide ncurses interfaces to your programs? I'm not sure how much additional work that would be, as I don't program UIs. But an additional ncurses interface would provide users with the comfort of having the same tools available in case their Xorg fails for some reason, and on their X-less servers. Also, if a user modifies a tool-managed config file, the tool shouldn't get confused, and vice versa. I'm sure that goes without saying on Gentoo, but since I've only used GUI tools on Mandrake and Ubuntu and this is where they often fail, I feel the need to mention it. For example, Ubuntu's network config tool often didn't match what ifconfig said about the interfaces' status; I don't want to know what would happen to it if I used ifconfig to actually change configuration. Regards, Jure -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFG3o36uf4XrD3ZBc8RAmQdAKCDq3pw1Gw65YzZiEJzC1StBjJNLwCghcFN cadW/sIkRVmQvjvdtk3Df0k= =plhQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo Graphical User Interfaces Project
Luis Francisco Araujo wrote: > himerge is not really new ; it's been around for a good while now. > > Its name stands for 'Haskell Interface for Emerge' ; plus i think some > of those GUI's you are mentioning didn't exist when i started himerge or > they don't offer all that himerge does. > http://www.haskell.org/himerge/himerge-screens/lasthimerge.png Wow! Looks loverley.. /me logs onto #gentoo-haskell to bug araujo. ;P -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list