Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: vmware team needs help
On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 11:36:50 +0200 Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: No one is going to boot you for inactivity if you have nothing to do. You might get an are you alive? email, but assuming you answer within a few weeks, all my work is done is the best reason to be doing nothing. That is true yes. There is a difference between I have nothing to do and I am not interested in doing anything anymore. If you only maintain one package and you commit once a year so be it :) It's a volunteering project so nobody can actually force you to maintain a certain rate of commits per $time. In case you appear inactive, people will send you a fair amount of emails over a significant period of time before they start the retirement process OK, thanks for the clarification—I was honestly under the impression that, to be a dev, one was *expected* to pick up a lot of packages and spend a lot of time. Good to know that’s not the case. -- Christopher Head signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: vmware team needs help
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 02/15/15 01:55, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 02/14/2015 06:38 PM, Christopher Head wrote: On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 21:49:56 +0200 Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: You don't have to participate to the discussions in the mailing lists :) You can just contribute code! Even a single patch a month or so is better than nothing Forgive me for hijacking the thread, but, the “or so” in the above isn’t all that flexible. See section 3.k of http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/handbook/handbook.xml?part=1chap=3. No one is going to boot you for inactivity if you have nothing to do. You might get an are you alive? email, but assuming you answer within a few weeks, all my work is done is the best reason to be doing nothing. That is true yes. There is a difference between I have nothing to do and I am not interested in doing anything anymore. If you only maintain one package and you commit once a year so be it :) It's a volunteering project so nobody can actually force you to maintain a certain rate of commits per $time. In case you appear inactive, people will send you a fair amount of emails over a significant period of time before they start the retirement process - -- Regards, Markos Chandras -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJU4GiyAAoJEPqDWhW0r/LCOxIQAIULbBbIys7eY41a4IwyKjOS LeuMXTAhiNbnB0/NAnjo+l9gxTxgCE3XRT42qjyIR3ChaoBZAcntOKfgLJ4EVuON jdGdCryUQd6Mii2tCgyvrw83gCVLvLMXdHdVKr7J5kE+NFdiQnDYNNaPnOmOhGWA Xr2ybAIJui+KayJbxFDHDPQVEflibrdezHI2WOhRqUgOQS3yCZhUI8q560YNh0dD P8EeVe6M16rJUNXzWzwXKS2Mf577/mZUoShzQOkD3f4O+5HwvNR8Bzl6qTpH4id9 7TeFdc7/8+QVIHOMZHctNSJu4f/tavLJp+5qH1t6XmLauqN2uZGJF8/7L+hdf2/N /5nP7MZn2/oh3AEEqp9guBUQY/QiWMC8rpwih0nP3agKGstoNJFPybFM0xVB7cdh 9f/dXBrgC8ZKh7LwXn+se+NAz2TMynigpzMdBvnvodBPEQaaCTC0yLiTxW1KmfkB FHyA6GKDocRhpNqpzARyqFOcQHSgWPfXATeos+g3ZVyyr4iaMNtS3n/lukkpmxM4 tOthWwEeaocNn8D/S2DRyq0otSFv2SNhStatNXbXZxO1QpCNxlhSxZMFQ8tpmm0o eqcDXWiDcQ3B7XagjvftO+RDY3CYbpsUQLUSKwprA6lBzs5UuFcezlE+NRO++myN Bo1Q+RDmdGfUaalpvkZt =CTYj -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: vmware team needs help
El sáb, 14-02-2015 a las 20:19 +0100, Michał Górny escribió: http://cgit.gentooexperimental.org/ Thanks, I wasn't aware of it :D
[gentoo-dev] Re: vmware team needs help
Btw, what is the appropriate place to discuss vmware overlay related issues?
[gentoo-dev] Re: vmware team needs help
On 13/02/15 00:03, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: * sorting out the screwed-up bundled library situation VMware seems to bundle everything they need. Currently, revdep-rebuild triggers false positives for a library that is no longer in portage (libgtop-2.0.so.7 from gnome-base/libgtop-2.28.5; it was removed from the tree.) I'd like to do the same as firefox-bin and other binary packages, and add an /etc/revdep-rebuild/ file: SEARCH_DIRS_MASK=/opt/vmware This prevents vmware from triggering bogus revdep-rebuild loops.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: vmware team needs help
Am Sonntag, 15. Februar 2015, 18:19:22 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras: On 13/02/15 00:03, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: * sorting out the screwed-up bundled library situation VMware seems to bundle everything they need. Currently, revdep-rebuild triggers false positives for a library that is no longer in portage (libgtop-2.0.so.7 from gnome-base/libgtop-2.28.5; it was removed from the tree.) I'd like to do the same as firefox-bin and other binary packages, and add an /etc/revdep-rebuild/ file: SEARCH_DIRS_MASK=/opt/vmware This prevents vmware from triggering bogus revdep-rebuild loops. It's much worse than that. It also triggers @preserved-libs, there's a bug about it. What I would like to do, given infinite time, is * introduce a use-flag bundled-libs, default on now, off later * for USE=bundled-libs, fiddle with the library paths so it's 100% clear to portage and everything else that vmware needs to load libs from /opt/vmware (there's another bug about it) * for USE=-bundled-libs, remove all bundled libs during installation if possible Am Sonntag, 15. Februar 2015, 18:29:25 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras: Btw, what is the appropriate place to discuss vmware overlay related issues? Best is probably #gentoo-virtualization on freenode. And yes there's also now a mirror on github. Just give me some time please, I still need to sort out LibreOffice 4.4 and some other stuff first... -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer (council, perl, libreoffice) dilfri...@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-dev] Re: vmware team needs help
On 15/02/15 20:20, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: Am Sonntag, 15. Februar 2015, 18:29:25 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras: Btw, what is the appropriate place to discuss vmware overlay related issues? Best is probably #gentoo-virtualization on freenode. Any non-realtime place?
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: vmware team needs help
Am Samstag, 14. Februar 2015, 16:00:46 schrieb Kristian Fiskerstrand: References: [PHABRICATOR] http://phabricator.org Let me point at the other pink elephant in the room. https://about.gitlab.com/ -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer (council, perl, libreoffice) dilfri...@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: vmware team needs help
On 02/14/2015 10:00 AM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: Does anyone have experience with solutions such as [PHABRICATOR]? other similar systems? References: [PHABRICATOR] http://phabricator.org (Has everyone forgotten that you don't need Github if you want to send a `git request-pull` ?) Phabricator works OK but it's a behemoth and tries to integrate a bunch of things we don't want to integrate. Maybe there's a way to disable them? A big turnoff for me was the install instructions, which are: $ git clone https://github.com/phacility/libphutil.git $ git clone https://github.com/phacility/arcanist.git $ git clone https://github.com/phacility/phabricator.git They all look for each other in the same directory, and there are no releases. A good compromise is to host the official repo on git.overlays.g.o and then mirror it on Github. That way less-experienced git users can contribute easily, and the devs can figure out how to get the changes into the official repo.
[gentoo-dev] Re: vmware team needs help
On 13/02/15 00:03, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: We have an overlay that can be used and is used for user contributions. Any plans to move it to github so we can fork and send pull requests?
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: vmware team needs help
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 02/14/2015 03:38 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 13/02/15 00:03, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: We have an overlay that can be used and is used for user contributions. Any plans to move it to github so we can fork and send pull requests? As a general comment (I'm not at all related to vmware team), we can well discuss merits of code review, pull requests etc and even using difference VCSes (in this case Git). But lets please not move too much outside of gentoo infrastructure control and of all things discussing a proprietary solution? Does anyone have experience with solutions such as [PHABRICATOR]? other similar systems? References: [PHABRICATOR] http://phabricator.org - -- Kristian Fiskerstrand Public PGP key 0xE3EDFAE3 at hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net fpr:94CB AFDD 3034 5109 5618 35AA 0B7F 8B60 E3ED FAE3 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJU32MaAAoJEP7VAChXwav6FI4IAJT4bLRCSAe0Jquq6Kb6hmqJ VSgnYGmL3gtaIbPb3WM3xOv0vo1lsVuFObZjHqhiUlmeqMGfy4MdZpUmRfiSHVOE BXqqMJyWc1guroJbN/DVMd4iorYLmAWcyxOM/K5+NjO0e6rd6WMvDIYO4ogiixhT m3rODQ6BStABe7YdlrNrIPrr1sUofau0rLVYkgClgwoBXqC6/PxJV9GHOiuGo039 JYb0G9CFBmGu1MenXd/KMWHVqt9ITnEsn+W7UCFugHHwXrD3BS92clnJUY7Z17eQ /17PE7F1C2KBB4rw787DnREV97+jreZnEwcfo5GNh6saREdMRfREpWt/8EYeP9s= =WNnT -END PGP SIGNATURE-
[gentoo-dev] Re: vmware team needs help
On 15/02/15 02:00, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: On 02/14/2015 03:38 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 13/02/15 00:03, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: We have an overlay that can be used and is used for user contributions. Any plans to move it to github so we can fork and send pull requests? As a general comment (I'm not at all related to vmware team), we can well discuss merits of code review, pull requests etc and even using difference VCSes (in this case Git). But lets please not move too much outside of gentoo infrastructure control and of all things discussing a proprietary solution? Does anyone have experience with solutions such as [PHABRICATOR]? other similar systems? References: [PHABRICATOR] http://phabricator.org Most (all?) Gentoo overlays on GitHub still retain their presence on g.o.g.o
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 02/14/2015 04:34 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 02/14/2015 10:00 AM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: Does anyone have experience with solutions such as [PHABRICATOR]? other similar systems? References: [PHABRICATOR] http://phabricator.org (Has everyone forgotten that you don't need Github if you want to send a `git request-pull` ?) A fair point, indeed Phabricator works OK but it's a behemoth and tries to integrate a bunch of things we don't want to integrate. Maybe there's a way to disable them? A big turnoff for me was the install instructions, which are: $ git clone https://github.com/phacility/libphutil.git $ git clone https://github.com/phacility/arcanist.git $ git clone https://github.com/phacility/phabricator.git They all look for each other in the same directory, and there are no releases. Yeah, that looks bad enough to run away screaming. Thanks. A good compromise is to host the official repo on git.overlays.g.o and then mirror it on Github. That way less-experienced git users can contribute easily, and the devs can figure out how to get the changes into the official repo. Indeed - -- Kristian Fiskerstrand Public PGP key 0xE3EDFAE3 at hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net fpr:94CB AFDD 3034 5109 5618 35AA 0B7F 8B60 E3ED FAE3 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJU32xWAAoJEP7VAChXwav6ju8H/0Xjq1otmi2eW6gLdRG9FRyW fdTfeiB/3izZVzUYeT6ElqSaRvWPSB9yy7CFdfD6UKNNMWjrHkmqrpxpo663FtZ9 u8YtG5y4tsytO4raLL9o41MGoVRLksQ24Yza22nPW71E24bFjjLE/6WSSQvySEj5 lE3K8sIjlFCCtslo8AbD7pIJGQheVJKhp+NObhlv5B+yi8yb5b15SzqhSAIrMw3u TVizuEkSpL7PtAvLtzvOIq8trLfwsYBT8vy5izMnLEtmlUR1dUy4J2zxS/IjIByB IihY39oKgW4wguM5n4fmwv3DC1VFC+QwmOX6mZqKN/CKe6doUUwZhFEvnJe9Q0Q= =sx/u -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: vmware team needs help
On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 17:10:36 +0100 Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org wrote: Am Samstag, 14. Februar 2015, 16:00:46 schrieb Kristian Fiskerstrand: References: [PHABRICATOR] http://phabricator.org Let me point at the other pink elephant in the room. https://about.gitlab.com/ +1 i've never worked on deploying it but i've seen people doing it and it seems it's some non negligible amount of work... considering a simple cgit viewer for g.o.g.o isn't even there, i'd say any solution is good as long as someone volunteers to do the work meanwhile, github, or any equivalent that fits better the social contract, is just as good and already deployed
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On 14/02/15 20:30, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: Am Samstag, 14. Februar 2015, 15:38:12 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras: On 13/02/15 00:03, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: We have an overlay that can be used and is used for user contributions. Any plans to move it to github so we can fork and send pull requests? Any plans to take the quizzes and take responsibility yourself? :) I've been around long enough (2005-ish or so) to know that I don't want the Gentoo dev-community drama :-P But perhaps more importantly, I tend to disappear for whole months at a time. Should user-submitted patches/pull requests be sent to the vmware herd email, or directly to you?
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: vmware team needs help
Dnia 2015-02-14, o godz. 17:10:36 Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org napisał(a): Am Samstag, 14. Februar 2015, 16:00:46 schrieb Kristian Fiskerstrand: References: [PHABRICATOR] http://phabricator.org Let me point at the other pink elephant in the room. https://about.gitlab.com/ Could we limit this to packages that can be sanely deployed? -- Best regards, Michał Górny pgp3uM9iNfa6A.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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Dnia 2015-02-14, o godz. 19:43:08 Alexis Ballier aball...@gentoo.org napisał(a): On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 17:10:36 +0100 Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org wrote: Am Samstag, 14. Februar 2015, 16:00:46 schrieb Kristian Fiskerstrand: References: [PHABRICATOR] http://phabricator.org Let me point at the other pink elephant in the room. https://about.gitlab.com/ +1 i've never worked on deploying it but i've seen people doing it and it seems it's some non negligible amount of work... considering a simple cgit viewer for g.o.g.o isn't even there, i'd say any solution is good as long as someone volunteers to do the work http://cgit.gentooexperimental.org/ -- Best regards, Michał Górny pgpMnZFH5uRtS.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: vmware team needs help
Am Samstag, 14. Februar 2015, 15:38:12 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras: On 13/02/15 00:03, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: We have an overlay that can be used and is used for user contributions. Any plans to move it to github so we can fork and send pull requests? Any plans to take the quizzes and take responsibility yourself? :) -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer (council, perl, libreoffice) dilfri...@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: vmware team needs help
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 02/14/15 20:42, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 14/02/15 20:30, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: Am Samstag, 14. Februar 2015, 15:38:12 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras: On 13/02/15 00:03, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: We have an overlay that can be used and is used for user contributions. Any plans to move it to github so we can fork and send pull requests? Any plans to take the quizzes and take responsibility yourself? :) I've been around long enough (2005-ish or so) to know that I don't want the Gentoo dev-community drama :-P But perhaps more importantly, I tend to disappear for whole months at a time. Should user-submitted patches/pull requests be sent to the vmware herd email, or directly to you? You don't have to participate to the discussions in the mailing lists :) You can just contribute code! Even a single patch a month or so is better than nothing - -- Regards, Markos Chandras -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJU36bkAAoJEPqDWhW0r/LCbHgP/RrqhwyRFUxjBZhRnCRhRWeR o/FEX/JMSY3zXMfeJE47O3InqMewfxcREZxEI50W4g0mJGKy/Z+fOXbyo9efWRBE jNOZoRDh3ZXOIQL6lO7beQpJTzC7l2uI9/iqAe27IF0RV4KtufnIaOQA/IYuAd3f BN2hntL+roSzb2JZkU+MkvB3M63CvDeORz9vVJDKGXE1JbrzGHHOpRzhXO5nSDt8 td0qvpBrbyy2nipYbtOpbtJowVWuGoLFlw5L3FlnjvReMsPTshHXyAzwb8DDqszR VTux2KYKpjRvKC+jDPRuy0TQPQYeInLdO7uvpoXknmKey1UdRO3NU1V8PQ4llET4 k/WoX3ONlkOGyxkW0yRGLF9wwGJRfjqvKCfbW6Kc/VinhaNj6jzGahPZ1YZdu33X hBegfJgyDDivYoA56rHprjFdOKtGv7zpy3fbaP6RjN8MfP7wHPlw7CiJVX5aXRGx kTGYF2dYdekfmVIrLaPx6UGGBZcaoiqnpY3HiBo5jNFQTRSZWIxwAbyS7wdbvt32 YEZ8RUvBqJlJVNCzQpEaT8KO4YKRKjxRf5c2MQ7kXUAVjr1vpSutA7Gwcx1xsnEO m8Pi66V8h7Qno3egDFFydR3x2aESYE4q3ZxJX7zkWkleKBRVdLHjIsR8CFwg9J5J 39C695DOhcko0t+l/qnb =0B8P -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: vmware team needs help
On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 21:49:56 +0200 Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: You don't have to participate to the discussions in the mailing lists :) You can just contribute code! Even a single patch a month or so is better than nothing Forgive me for hijacking the thread, but, the “or so” in the above isn’t all that flexible. See section 3.k of http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/handbook/handbook.xml?part=1chap=3. Being required to do something Gentoo-related at least every two months in order to not be considered “inactive” pretty much eliminates any incentive I had to try and become a developer presently. I could certainly see myself picking up three or four packages that I personally care about and maintaining them, but not actually needing to commit anything for a couple of months simply because those packages don’t release anything new very often. Then I’m declared inactive and kicked out because I didn’t commit often enough, simply because I chose to make a small contribution appropriate to my other workload, rather than no contribution at all. Perhaps that’s “your” (collective) intent—to avoid developers who do a tiny bit of work here and there on a few packages, in favour of having a much smaller number of developers who have to handle more packages—which is fine, but it excludes people like me from participating as full developers. -- Christopher Head signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: vmware team needs help
On 02/14/2015 06:38 PM, Christopher Head wrote: On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 21:49:56 +0200 Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: You don't have to participate to the discussions in the mailing lists :) You can just contribute code! Even a single patch a month or so is better than nothing Forgive me for hijacking the thread, but, the “or so” in the above isn’t all that flexible. See section 3.k of http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/handbook/handbook.xml?part=1chap=3. No one is going to boot you for inactivity if you have nothing to do. You might get an are you alive? email, but assuming you answer within a few weeks, all my work is done is the best reason to be doing nothing.
