Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July
Mike Frysinger wrote: here's an item that should be relatively quick to address: fix the typo in GLEP 39 where this line is missing (it's been in the council homepage forever): Only Gentoo developers may be nominated I'd like to add that requirement for proxies as well. Varied interpretations of common sense seems to make that necessary. - Tobias
Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July
On Thursday 02 July 2009 11:02:45 Tobias Scherbaum wrote: Mike Frysinger wrote: here's an item that should be relatively quick to address: fix the typo in GLEP 39 where this line is missing (it's been in the council homepage forever): Only Gentoo developers may be nominated I'd like to add that requirement for proxies as well. Varied interpretations of common sense seems to make that necessary. i'd keep them as sep topics as the first should go through quickly without discussion. the latter i'm not terribly sold on -- the understanding is that a council member should have the good sense to only pick an appropriate proxy. the definition of appropriate is of course up for grabs. ignoring the tools, there is the possibility of bringing non-devs further into the Gentoo fold (assuming the proxy is well versed in the topics at hand and not just another body) ... then again, looking at the 4 year history, this has never happened, so it's doubtful it will happen. guess the proposal is fine. -mike signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July
here's an item that should be relatively quick to address: fix the typo in GLEP 39 where this line is missing (it's been in the council homepage forever): Only Gentoo developers may be nominated note that previous councils already decided that they are allowed to modify GLEP 39 in place with the normal council voting procedure and if they notify the mailing lists with exact changes (see 20070208 summary for an example). -mike signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July
Here are quick updates on the topics we didn't discuss in detail during the council meeting. On 01:40 Wed 09 Jul , Donnie Berkholz wrote: Appeals of spb, rbrown, philantrop We are actively discussing the appeals and will get decisions out ASAP. Meeting frequency time We're moving to shorter biweekly meetings. The next one will be July 24. User Relations authority Discussion is happening on gentoo-council. Extent of Code of Conduct enforcement I will post this to gentoo-council tomorrow. I haven't had a chance yet to put together a useful summary post for starting the thread. -- Thanks, Donnie Donnie Berkholz Developer, Gentoo Linux Blog: http://dberkholz.wordpress.com pgpUSTr58UJDb.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July
On 01:40 Wed 09 Jul , Donnie Berkholz wrote: On 05:30 Tue 01 Jul , Mike Frysinger wrote: If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even vote on, let us know ! Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole Gentoo dev list to see. Here's the proposed agenda. Please respond if I forgot something, it's unclear, or you have another suggestion. As before, since we have an agenda in advance we won't be holding an open floor. Here are the items that will actually come up during the meeting instead of the overall list of ongoing things including list discussions. Council members: Remember to post to the GLEP threads if you have anything new to say. -- Thanks, Donnie Donnie Berkholz Developer, Gentoo Linux Blog: http://dberkholz.wordpress.com as-needed by default antarus requested that we vote on whether to add it to the default LDFLAGS. Preparation: Antarus will post a deployment plan to -dev for discussion. We can vote on it on -council as soon as it solidifies. (Alec, please do this by July 17.) Goal: Status check with antarus. GLEP 54 --- Preparation: Post your opinion to the -dev thread A few questions to our nominees 4+ hours before the meeting. Last month: dberkholz: http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_c6e4ba8293f50c1e0444e67d59cf85ea.xml lu_zero: http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_05614741b3942bfdfb21fd8ebb7955e0.xml Goal: Status check at meeting to see who's ready to vote. Vote on-list no later than July 17. GLEP 55 --- Preparation: Post your opinion to the -dev thread GLEP 55 4+ hours before the meeting. Last month: dberkholz: http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_c6e4ba8293f50c1e0444e67d59cf85ea.xml Goal: Status check at meeting to see who's ready to vote. Vote on-list once we're ready. GLEP 56 --- Preparation: Post your opinion to the -dev thread [GLEP56] USE flag descriptions in metadata 4+ hours before the meeting. (Cardoe: Did the requested updates ever get made?) Last month: dberkholz: http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_54ee20d2b1d8122370afdd4b3d7aafc9.xml Goal: Status check at meeting to see who's ready to vote. Vote on-list no later than July 17, if requested changes are made. pgpP2ffhg0El0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July
On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 11:05 PM, Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 01:40 Wed 09 Jul , Donnie Berkholz wrote: On 05:30 Tue 01 Jul , Mike Frysinger wrote: If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even vote on, let us know ! Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole Gentoo dev list to see. Here's the proposed agenda. Please respond if I forgot something, it's unclear, or you have another suggestion. As before, since we have an agenda in advance we won't be holding an open floor. Here are the items that will actually come up during the meeting instead of the overall list of ongoing things including list discussions. Drop me; I haven't written anything for --as-needed. -Alec Council members: Remember to post to the GLEP threads if you have anything new to say. -- Thanks, Donnie Donnie Berkholz Developer, Gentoo Linux Blog: http://dberkholz.wordpress.com -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July
Donnie Berkholz wrote: On 01:40 Wed 09 Jul , Donnie Berkholz wrote: On 05:30 Tue 01 Jul , Mike Frysinger wrote: If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even vote on, let us know ! Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole Gentoo dev list to see. Here's the proposed agenda. Please respond if I forgot something, it's unclear, or you have another suggestion. As before, since we have an agenda in advance we won't be holding an open floor. Here are the items that will actually come up during the meeting instead of the overall list of ongoing things including list discussions. Council members: Remember to post to the GLEP threads if you have anything new to say. [GLEP56] I've committed the changes that I made as a result of the feedback received. You can see the diff [1] or view the full source [2] or see the pretty HTML [3]. Quick highlight of changes: - All PMS references are gone - restrict purely refers to the Gentoo Developer Handbook - CP/CPV refers to the Gentoo Developer Manual - Added backwards compatibility section to detail how we're going to maintain compatible. - No reference to default language, leaving that to the Gentoo Developer Handbook [1] http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo/xml/htdocs/proj/en/glep/glep-0056.txt?r1=1.1r2=1.2 [2] http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo/xml/htdocs/proj/en/glep/glep-0056.txt?rev=1.2view=markup [3] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/glep/glep-0056.html -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July
On 05:30 Tue 01 Jul , Mike Frysinger wrote: If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even vote on, let us know ! Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole Gentoo dev list to see. Here's the proposed agenda. Please respond if I forgot something, it's unclear, or you have another suggestion. As before, since we have an agenda in advance we won't be holding an open floor. -- Thanks, Donnie Donnie Berkholz Developer, Gentoo Linux Blog: http://dberkholz.wordpress.com People who need to take action == Non-council members who need to do something. araujo [Document of being an active developer] vapier [Slacker arches] antarus [as-needed by default] cardoe [GLEP 56] fmccor [Extent of Code of Conduct enforcement] Updates to last month's topics == http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/meeting-logs/20080612-summary.txt Document of being an active developer - Requested attendees: araujo Preparation: araujo needs to post progress, an updated certificate and any new requests to the gentoo-council or gentoo-project list 4+ hours before the meeting. Goal: Suggest changes. This should happen on-list. No discussion expected. Slacker arches -- Preparation: vapier needs to send the post 4+ hours before the meeting. (Mike, is this ever going to happen?) Goal: Suggest changes. This should happen on-list. No discussion expected. Can the council help fewer bugs get ignored by arm/sh/s390 teams? - Preparation: Someone on an undermanned arch team needs to describe their workflow on-list 4+ hours before the meeting. Any volunteers? Goal: Suggest changes. This should happen on-list. No discussion expected. New topics == Appeals of spb, rbrown, philantrop Preparation: Reach decisions. Goal: Announce decisions no later than July 10 via personal emails and on-list to avoid disrupting the meeting. Meeting frequency time Do we want biweekly meetings that last one hour each? Here are the time slots we found using whenisgood.net: 2000-2100 UTC Thursday 1600-1800 UTC Sunday (conflicts: flameeyes, jokey) Preparation: Respond to the ongoing thread regarding your opinion on biweekly meetings. Goal: Vote on time frequency on the council alias no later than July 10. as-needed by default antarus requested that we vote on whether to add it to the default LDFLAGS. Preparation: Antarus will post a deployment plan to -dev for discussion. We can vote on it on -council as soon as it solidifies. (Alec, please do this by July 17.) Goal: Status check with antarus. GLEP 54 --- Preparation: Preparation: Post your opinion to the -dev thread A few questions to our nominees 4+ hours before the meeting. Last month: dberkholz: http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_c6e4ba8293f50c1e0444e67d59cf85ea.xml lu_zero: http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_05614741b3942bfdfb21fd8ebb7955e0.xml Goal: Status check at meeting to see who's ready to vote. Vote on-list no later than July 17. GLEP 55 --- Preparation: Post your opinion to the -dev thread GLEP 55 4+ hours before the meeting. Last month: dberkholz: http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_c6e4ba8293f50c1e0444e67d59cf85ea.xml Goal: Status check at meeting to see who's ready to vote. Vote on-list once we're ready. GLEP 56 --- Preparation: Post your opinion to the -dev thread [GLEP56] USE flag descriptions in metadata 4+ hours before the meeting. (Cardoe: Did the requested updates ever get made?) Last month: dberkholz: http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_54ee20d2b1d8122370afdd4b3d7aafc9.xml Goal: Status check at meeting to see who's ready to vote. Vote on-list no later than July 17, if requested changes are made. User Relations authority Ferris asks: Does userrel have the authority to enforce the Code of Conduct on users in the same way devrel does for developers? Preparation: Donnie will start a thread on the -council list. Post your opinion there. If everyone's posted in advance of the meeting, status check at meeting to see who's ready to vote. Goal: Reach a decision on-list no later than July 17. Extent of Code of Conduct enforcement - Ferris asks: Can people be entirely banned from Gentoo (mailing lists, IRC channels, etc.)? Who can do it, how's it work, under whose authority? Are there any prerequisites? He cites the corner case of refusal to accept a security patch. Ferris, I couldn't make enough sense out of your long email to council@ to summarize any more of it reasonably, sorry. Please send a response to this that succinctly clarifies any part of your agenda proposals that I got wrong. Preparation:
Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July
2008-07-09 10:40 Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisał(a): On 05:30 Tue 01 Jul , Mike Frysinger wrote: If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even vote on, let us know ! Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole Gentoo dev list to see. Here's the proposed agenda. Please respond if I forgot something, it's unclear, or you have another suggestion. As before, since we have an agenda in advance we won't be holding an open floor. You forgot about voting on adding some flags to default LDFLAGS. http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/57163/focus=57193 http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/57092/focus=57169
Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July
Donnie Berkholz wrote: On 13:07 Wed 09 Jul , Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: You forgot about voting on adding some flags to default LDFLAGS. http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/57163/focus=57193 http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/57092/focus=57169 There was no real debate about that (the only question was where), and Cardoe said this morning that he was just going to commit it. If people had any problems, they would've posted them to the thread. Yep. I actually gave everyone a little bit longer to protest. It seemed like everyone was in favor of this move but no one made the commit. It now exists in profiles/default/linux/make.defaults. I created a tracker for any issues that crop up. [1] [1] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=231310 -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July
2008-07-01 07:30:01 Mike Frysinger napisał(a): This is your monthly friendly reminder ! Same bat time (typically the 2nd Thursday at 2000 UTC / 1600 EST), same bat channel (#gentoo-council @ irc.freenode.net) ! If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even vote on, let us know ! Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole Gentoo dev list to see. Please vote on my proposition of default LDFLAGS if they aren't introduced until Council meeting. -- Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July
On Tue, 2008-07-01 at 05:30 +, Mike Frysinger wrote: This is your monthly friendly reminder ! Same bat time (typically the 2nd Thursday at 2000 UTC / 1600 EST), same bat channel (#gentoo-council @ irc.freenode.net) ! If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even vote on, let us know ! Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole Gentoo dev list to see. This is delicate. I have asked for two items on the agenda for the next meeting, but so far they are on mail aliases only. I can post them here, and I want them public. Please advise. Keep in mind that every GLEP *re*submission to the council for review must first be sent to the gentoo-dev mailing list 7 days (minimum) before being submitted as an agenda item which itself occurs 7 days before the meeting. Simply put, the gentoo-dev mailing list must be notified at least 14 days before the meeting itself. For more info on the Gentoo Council, feel free to browse our homepage: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/ Regards, Ferris -- Ferris McCormick (P44646, MI) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer, Gentoo Linux (Devrel, Sparc, Userrel, Trustees) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July
On Saturday 01 July 2006 03:34, Mike Frysinger wrote: This is your monthly friendly reminder ! Same bat time (typically the 2nd Thursday once a month), same bat channel (#gentoo-council @ irc.freenode.net) ! we're pushing this to the 3rd due to it being a better time for some of us (blame me :P) -mike pgpQZXwJlYeKH.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July
On 01 Jul 2006 07:34:49 Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even vote on, let us know ! Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole Gentoo dev list to see. GLEP 42. Noone on the list raised any objections last time it was sent out, so I'd like to send it off to the Council, so to speak. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
