[gentoo-user] distrowatch and gentoo......
Hi list, i've recently read this short article on distrowatch: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20060626#news What about these problems? Someone that's more inside the Gentoo decision process, can explain better what's (if it is true) happening? Best regards, Marco -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Howto patch ebuilds?
Hi again, I'm trying to apply a patch from gentoo bugzilla on a ebuild that's in portage, but cannot find infos on how to do it. Can anybody please tell me what should I do or wher to find the necessary info? Ciao and thanks again to everybody. Leo __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Howto patch ebuilds?
On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 23:57:56 -0700 (PDT), Leonardo wrote: I'm trying to apply a patch from gentoo bugzilla on a ebuild that's in portage, but cannot find infos on how to do it. If you are trying to patch the ebuild itself: Download the patch file cd to the directory containing the ewbuild patch -p0 patchfile man patch explains this. When you modifiy an ebuild you have to generate new digests; either ebuild foo.ebuild digest or use the --digest option when emerging it. The latter is not advised when emerge is also installing dependencies. -- Neil Bothwick OPERATOR ERROR: Nyah, Nyah, Nyah, Nyah, Nyah! signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] xfce config
Tamas Sarga a gentiment tapote: But I have one problem. Taskbar isn't started by startxfce4, and I can't figure out how can I start it with hand. In settings I changed top position to bottom and back without any success. How can I start taskbar by hand? Hi, You run /usr/bin/xftaskbar4 Cheers - Ptitjack - ^ ^^^ ^ ( 0 0 ) \/ ---- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Howto patch ebuilds?
Thanks Rumen,
that was it; now I have problems applying the patch, but I think
I can figure it out.
Thanks to Neil too.
Ciao, Leo
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Hi,
If you don't have portage-overlay configured:
#mkdir /usr/local/portage
#echo PORTDIR_OVERLAY=/usr/local/portage /etc/make.conf
...SKIP ABOVE... if PORTDIR_OVERLAY etc. already there
category=category package belongs to (e.g. sys-apps)
package=package-name (e.g. 'acl')
#mkdir /usr/local/portage/$category
#mkdir /usr/local/portage/$category/$package
#cp -arv /usr/portage/$category/$package/*
/usr/local/portage/$category/$package
copy patch-name... in
/usr/local/portage/$category/$package/files
Edit
/usr/local/portage/$category/$package/$package-version-rev.ebuild
adding in src_unpack() function:
epatch ${FILESDIR}/patch-name...
Saveexit
#ebuild
/usr/local/portage/$category/$package/$package-version-rev.ebuild
digest
#emerge $category/$package -av
Hope i didn't screwed something so check it again (some things
might be
made shorter though).
HTH.Rumen
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Re: [gentoo-user] Howto patch ebuilds?
On Friday 30 June 2006 10:06, Rumen Yotov wrote:
Hope i didn't screwed something so check it again (some things might be
made shorter though).
I have a neat little script for this:
##
#!/bin/bash
# collect vars
ebuild=`equery which $1`
patch=$2
category=`echo ${ebuild} | awk -F/ '{cat=NF-2;print $cat}'`
package=`echo ${ebuild} | awk -F/ '{pkg=NF-1;print $pkg}'`
portagepath=`dirname ${ebuild}`
overlaypath=/usr/local/portage/${category}/${package}
# copy to overlay
mkdir -pv ${overlaypath}/local-files
cp -v ${ebuild} ${overlaypath}/
ln -sv ${portagepath}/files ${overlaypath}/files
cp -v ${patch} ${overlaypath}/local-files/
# print instructions - wait for acknowledgement - edit file
echo -e 'Insert:\n\tepatch ${FILESDIR/files/local-files}/'${patch}'\nin
src_unpack{ }'
read
${EDITOR} ${overlaypath}/${ebuild##*/}
# digest ebuild
ebuild ${overlaypath}/${ebuild##*/} digest
##
This only copies the newest ebuild and makes a symlink to the filesdir
in /usr/portage so that patches in portage do not have to be copied... The
first argument must be the name of the package in a format that `equery
which` understands and the second argument must be the path to the patch that
needs to be applied.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Howto patch ebuilds?
Leonardo wrote:
Thanks Rumen,
that was it; now I have problems applying the patch, but I think
I can figure it out.
Thanks to Neil too.
Ciao, Leo
--- Rumen Yotov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
If you don't have portage-overlay configured:
#mkdir /usr/local/portage
#echo PORTDIR_OVERLAY=/usr/local/portage /etc/make.conf
...SKIP ABOVE... if PORTDIR_OVERLAY etc. already there
category=category package belongs to (e.g. sys-apps)
package=package-name (e.g. 'acl')
#mkdir /usr/local/portage/$category
#mkdir /usr/local/portage/$category/$package
#cp -arv /usr/portage/$category/$package/*
/usr/local/portage/$category/$package
copy patch-name... in
/usr/local/portage/$category/$package/files
Edit
/usr/local/portage/$category/$package/$package-version-rev.ebuild
adding in src_unpack() function:
epatch ${FILESDIR}/patch-name...
Saveexit
#ebuild
/usr/local/portage/$category/$package/$package-version-rev.ebuild
digest
#emerge $category/$package -av
Hope i didn't screwed something so check it again (some things
might be
made shorter though).
HTH.Rumen
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Hi,
To trouble-shoot the patching process try the following:
1.Comment the epatch ... line in src_unpack();
#ebuild /usr/local/portage/$category/$package-version-rev.ebuild unpack
#cd /var/tmp/portage/$package-version-rev./work/$package-version-rev./
patch -pX[0|1|2] --dry-run -i /path/to/patch/file/file-patch
Watch for errors, if any.
If patching is successful run:
#ebuild /usr/local/portage/$category/$package-version-rev.ebuild compile
#ebuild /usr/local/portage/$category/$package-version-rev.ebuild install
#ebuild /usr/local/portage/$category/$package-version-rev.ebuild qmerge
#ebuild /usr/local/portage/$category/$package-version-rev.ebuild clean
Last one is optional (it just cleans the WORKDIR under /var/tmp/portage)
Replace epatch ... with patch...-optional(watch out for path issues).
PS: please don't top-post (preferred ML-policy).
HTH.Rumen
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Re: [gentoo-user] Howto patch ebuilds?
--- Rumen Yotov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, To trouble-shoot the patching process try the following: 1.Comment the epatch ... line in src_unpack(); #ebuild /usr/local/portage/$category/$package-version-rev.ebuild unpack #cd /var/tmp/portage/$package-version-rev./work/$package-version-rev./ patch -pX[0|1|2] --dry-run -i /path/to/patch/file/file-patch Watch for errors, if any. If patching is successful run: #ebuild /usr/local/portage/$category/$package-version-rev.ebuild compile #ebuild /usr/local/portage/$category/$package-version-rev.ebuild install #ebuild /usr/local/portage/$category/$package-version-rev.ebuild qmerge #ebuild /usr/local/portage/$category/$package-version-rev.ebuild clean Last one is optional (it just cleans the WORKDIR under /var/tmp/portage) Replace epatch ... with patch...-optional(watch out for path issues). PS: please don't top-post (preferred ML-policy). HTH.Rumen Hi Rumen, thanks, the patch was supposed to be applied to a previous version of the ebuild; by masking and emerging the correct version it worked. Sorry for top-posting (I should have read the policy ;P ) Bo, thanks to you too. Now please, stop it, is it possible that a such simple post gives so much feedback!!? No, kidding, thanks again, it's nice to get in contact with you all. Ciao, Leo __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Howto patch ebuilds?
On Friday 30 June 2006 11:52, Leonardo wrote: the patch was supposed to be applied to a previous version of the ebuild note that these are allowed: # equery which portage /usr/local/portage/sys-apps/portage/portage-2.1.1_pre1-r5.ebuild # equery which sys-apps/portage /usr/local/portage/sys-apps/portage/portage-2.1.1_pre1-r5.ebuild # equery which =sys-apps/portage-2.0* /usr/portage/sys-apps/portage/portage-2.0.54-r2.ebuild # equery which =sys-apps/portage-2.1 /usr/portage/sys-apps/portage/portage-2.1.ebuild # equery which ~sys-apps/portage-2.1 /usr/portage/sys-apps/portage/portage-2.1-r1.ebuild so the version of the ebuild can be specified like that for the script I gave too.. :) -- Bo Andresen pgpGSyIDw0L3m.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: GETPASS_ASTERISKS
On Friday 30 June 2006 07:49, Suranga Kasthuriarachchi wrote: when i'm issue as bellow, that error comming like this, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ su - root Password: configuration error - unknown item 'GETPASS_ASTERISKS' (notify administrator) localhost~ I think the following three steps should solve it (maybe the third step is sufficient): # emerge --sync # emerge -va shadow # etc-update Read more at [1]. [1] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135987 -- Bo Andresen pgpozLWU00CFu.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] ufed questions
On Friday 30 June 2006 04:09, sean wrote: Trying out the program for the first time and one simple question is if you choose an item how do you specify that you want it to be a '-'? Pressing the space bar selects it, and adds it to make.conf with a +, but how do you get it to add with the '-' in front of it? Thanks Sean It's been a while since I last used it, but as far as I remember it will do that only if an item is in the defaults AND you unselected it. No point in having it disabled in make.conf if it wasn't enabled in the first place. -- Jure Varlec pgp1CfSuN7qau.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] distrowatch and gentoo......
On Friday 30 June 2006 08:48, Marco Calviani wrote: What about these problems? Someone that's more inside the Gentoo decision process, can explain better what's (if it is true) happening? With the growth that Gentoo is experiencing it gets harder and harder to make everybody happy. Those incidents mentioned are just some people who felt they had to make a lot of noise while leaving... For a long time now more people has joined than left and there are aproximately 300 Gentoo developers right now. Really, there is nothing to worry about... You may want to read [1] which is written by a Gentoo developer and the lead of Devrel (developer relations). [1] http://kloeri.livejournal.com/1305.html -- Bo Andresen pgpxAew24E1pQ.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] big problem, small solution
Hardware problems come up here occasionally experiences deserve swapping. Gentoo involves much exercise of the CPU, sometimes making it sweat a lot. My AMD 2500+ CPU (installed 2003) has been getting hotter the fan slower. Here in the summer heat of S Ontario, where my workroom is = 25 C , it had been running at a steady 64 C for a couple of weeks (was 55 C ). When I tried to emerge GCC 4.1.1 , it reached 75 C the box died; several attempts, the same auto switch-off. No fans to fit at the store all available CPUs are 64-bit nowadays, ie build another machine. So I opened up the box, removed the fan the heat-sink, blew wiped all the dust away, smeared on some silicon heat-conductor carefully kept from the original package 3 years ago, put it back together. Now the fan is running at 4400 RPM (was 4000 ) the CPU is at 51 C , rising only to 58 C while successfully compiling GCC 4.1.1 . Hopefully, I won't need to build a new machine till well into 2007 . -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] big problem, small solution
Philip Webb wrote: Hardware problems come up here occasionally experiences deserve swapping. Gentoo involves much exercise of the CPU, sometimes making it sweat a lot. My AMD 2500+ CPU (installed 2003) has been getting hotter the fan slower. Here in the summer heat of S Ontario, where my workroom is = 25 C , it had been running at a steady 64 C for a couple of weeks (was 55 C ). When I tried to emerge GCC 4.1.1 , it reached 75 C the box died; several attempts, the same auto switch-off. No fans to fit at the store all available CPUs are 64-bit nowadays, ie build another machine. So I opened up the box, removed the fan the heat-sink, blew wiped all the dust away, smeared on some silicon heat-conductor carefully kept from the original package 3 years ago, put it back together. Now the fan is running at 4400 RPM (was 4000 ) the CPU is at 51 C , rising only to 58 C while successfully compiling GCC 4.1.1 . Hopefully, I won't need to build a new machine till well into 2007 . I recently replaced the fans and heat sinks on my dual opterons to bring the temp down, I was also very much trying to bring the nose level down from the fans. I used 2 copper heat fans with heat pipes from thermaltake, and put some 90 mm fans on each cpu/heatsink. I also put a new case around them to improve air flow. You want more air being pulled out of your box then going in. I manually monitor and control the fan speed and with the new setup I have been able to get the processor fans rpms down to 1800-2000, a real help to reduce noise, with the temp averaging about 46c when idle. When I have done something, perhaps emerge some program, whatever, temp goes to about 50-52c. Check the specs on your processor to see what the operating temp range is so you do not burn things up. Hope it helps, Sean -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] big problem, small solution
I have the same kind of problem with my laptop (Athlon mobile 2400+). It's normally working at 43-50 C but after some time it starts reaching 55-60 C without compiling. Once it even shut down after reaching 100 C while compiling. Fortunatelly I blew it's air intakes with oxygen and it is working normally right now. I advise you to clean the intakes two times a year -- it will help your computer live long :) -- Pozdrawiam Janusz YANOUSHek Bossy gg# 791964 tlen [EMAIL PROTECTED] jabber [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] xorg-x11 upgrade
Hi, The stable branch xorg-x11 seems to have been upgraded to version xorg-x11-7.0-r1. However, emerge -puDNv world shows the new x11-xorg blocked by xorg-x11-6.9. I don't understand this, as I have xorg-x11-6.8.2-r8 installed. OK, the new meta-package may be very nice, but I really don't want to compile all the drivers for devices I don't have on my system. At the moment I use the proprietary nvidia drivers; are these supported under xorg-x11-7.0? Any ideas about the v6.9 blocker / tips / pointers? Cheers, Dave -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ufed questions
Jure Varlec wrote: On Friday 30 June 2006 04:09, sean wrote: Trying out the program for the first time and one simple question is if you choose an item how do you specify that you want it to be a '-'? Pressing the space bar selects it, and adds it to make.conf with a +, but how do you get it to add with the '-' in front of it? Thanks Sean It's been a while since I last used it, but as far as I remember it will do that only if an item is in the defaults AND you unselected it. No point in having it disabled in make.conf if it wasn't enabled in the first place. But from what I read, or at least thought I read, plus replies to another question I posted, I needed to add -gnome and -eds because I do not want this options when I was emerging gaim, and manually adding them was the only way. Sean -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] xorg-x11 upgrade
On Friday 30 June 2006 13:39, Dave Jones wrote: The stable branch xorg-x11 seems to have been upgraded to version xorg-x11-7.0-r1. Just follow [1]. However, emerge -puDNv world shows the new x11-xorg blocked by xorg-x11-6.9. I don't understand this, as I have xorg-x11-6.8.2-r8 installed. Read more carefully. It's blocked by '=x11-base/xorg-x11-6.9'. Note the less than sign. OK, the new meta-package may be very nice, but I really don't want to compile all the drivers for devices I don't have on my system. At the moment I use the proprietary nvidia drivers; are these supported under xorg-x11-7.0? Then set VIDEO_CARDS=nvidia in /etc/make.conf. It's all covered in [1]. [1] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/x/x11/modular-x-howto.xml -- Bo Andresen pgpC5egoLpAoO.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] big problem, small solution
On 30 June 2006 12:15, Sean wrote: You want more air being pulled out of your box then going in. So you invented a fan that produces air. Great. Get a patent! Uwe -- Mark Twain: I rather decline two drinks than a German adjective. http://www.SysEx.com.na -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] big problem, small solution
On Friday 30 June 2006 13:15, Sean wrote: You want more air being pulled out of your box then going in. Yeah, and when all the air has been pulled out of the box and you've got a vacuum then you'll see the temperature in there rising... ;) -- Bo Andresen pgpjmku9ojU0F.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] xorg-x11 upgrade
Am Freitag, 30. Juni 2006 13:39 schrieb ext Dave Jones: The stable branch xorg-x11 seems to have been upgraded to version xorg-x11-7.0-r1. However, emerge -puDNv world shows the new x11-xorg blocked by xorg-x11-6.9. I don't understand this, as I have xorg-x11-6.8.2-r8 installed. One is the old, big package, the other is for the meta packages. You can only have one. OK, the new meta-package may be very nice, but I really don't want to compile all the drivers for devices I don't have on my system. You don't need to. Put variables INPUT_DEVICES and VIDEO_CARDS into /etc/make.conf. At the moment I use the proprietary nvidia drivers; are these supported under xorg-x11-7.0? Don't know, would guess yes. Any ideas about the v6.9 blocker / tips / pointers? emerge -C xorg-x11; emerge xorg-x11 (or -puDNv world). Bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)162 234 3408 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Capgemini Deutschland | Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hambornerstraße 55 | Web: http://www.capgemini.com D-40472 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: www.keyserver.net pgpDeN4pLpNeB.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] big problem, small solution
Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: On Friday 30 June 2006 13:15, Sean wrote: You want more air being pulled out of your box then going in. Yeah, and when all the air has been pulled out of the box and you've got a vacuum then you'll see the temperature in there rising... ;) I guess I should have worded it different to avoid such comments. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] big problem, small solution
On Friday 30 June 2006 14:31, Sean wrote: You want more air being pulled out of your box then going in. I guess I should have worded it different to avoid such comments. I'm sorry but such a statement is just plain incorrect no matter how you word it. But my reply was supposed to be humorous even if it didn't seem that way... -- Bo Andresen pgpWnUzdHo6Uc.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: What's going to break, if vanilla kernel is used?
Teresa and Dale wrote: Alexander Skwar wrote: Alexander Skwar wrote: [ nothing for this list ] Whoops... Sorry, wrong list. Please disregard the previous message - sometimes I wish, there were a Cancel feature for mails as well... Alexander Skwar Are you switching? :-o I'm looking at Ubuntu. They've got some nice things. One thing that's nice, is the Network Manager; especially for WLAN things. Also, for some reason, Google Earth causes my Gentoo system to crash. In Ubuntu, the system is stable, even after having used GE for some time. But, more importantly, suspend-to-disk and resume isn't working properly with my machine in Ubuntu. In Gentoo, that's a no-brainer. Alexander Skwar -- Professor: Those delightful birds with their chirp chirp chirp and their tweet tweet splat. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] big problem, small solution
Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: On Friday 30 June 2006 14:31, Sean wrote: You want more air being pulled out of your box then going in. I guess I should have worded it different to avoid such comments. I'm sorry but such a statement is just plain incorrect no matter how you word it. But my reply was supposed to be humorous even if it didn't seem that way... ok -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] xorg-x11 upgrade
Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote on 30/06/06 13:55: The stable branch xorg-x11 seems to have been upgraded to version xorg-x11-7.0-r1. Just follow [1]. However, emerge -puDNv world shows the new x11-xorg blocked by xorg-x11-6.9. I don't understand this, as I have xorg-x11-6.8.2-r8 installed. Read more carefully. It's blocked by '=x11-base/xorg-x11-6.9'. Note the less than sign. Oops, my mistake. OK, the new meta-package may be very nice, but I really don't want to compile all the drivers for devices I don't have on my system. At the moment I use the proprietary nvidia drivers; are these supported under xorg-x11-7.0? Then set VIDEO_CARDS=nvidia in /etc/make.conf. It's all covered in [1]. [1] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/x/x11/modular-x-howto.xml Bo, Dirk, thanks for the information. I'll get to work on this (major) update. I'll add the nv driver to VIDEO_CARDS as well to have a fall back in case the binary nvidia drivers won't work with the new x11. Cheers, Dave -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] gcc - texinfo dependency
Hi folks, I've seen, gcc has texinfo as rdependency. What does it need it for ? I'd like to get rid of it. cu -- - Enrico Weigelt== metux IT service phone: +49 36207 519931 www: http://www.metux.de/ fax: +49 36207 519932 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cellphone: +49 174 7066481 - -- DSL ab 0 Euro. -- statische IP -- UUCP -- Hosting -- Webshops -- - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] distrowatch and gentoo......
On 6/30/06, Marco Calviani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi list, i've recently read this short article on distrowatch: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20060626#news What about these problems? Someone that's more inside the Gentoo decision process, can explain better what's (if it is true) happening? Well, the guy got the attention he wanted. If you follow GWN, you can see devs that come to the project, and others leave, that's only natural, and if you leave a project, you simply do not post the entire web with reasons that can only be taken as highly personal and regarding the human relations inside Gentoo Project. Why aren't the other developers answering? I have only one guess... They really don't care... The project is going on and see lots of discussions and improvements at all topics on the mailing lists and foruns. Gentoo is not dying, not even loosing strenght. Its growing, and growing is painfull, we all know that. Now, distrowatch should pay more attention before posting news that can lead to misunderstanding, probably the dev that left the project had better relations inside distrowatch than inside Gentoo development project ;) -- Daniel da Veiga Computer Operator - RS - Brazil -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCM/IT/P/O d-? s:- a? C++$ UBLA++ P+ L++ E--- W+++$ N o+ K- w O M- V- PS PE Y PGP- t+ 5 X+++ R+* tv b+ DI+++ D+ G+ e h+ r+ y++ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone using Yahoo as Postfix relay? (Name service error for name=smtp1.mail.vip.ukl.yahoo.com type=MX: Malformed name server reply)
* Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, maybe he only accepts only authenticated users to relay ? There's a link on the webpage which explains the reason - apparently they would only accept messages with a From: address like [EMAIL PROTECTED] from my host. Anything which I've addressed [EMAIL PROTECTED] has to reach them via yahoo.com's servers. Yeah, one server is for relaying traffic with @... *sender*, and another is for incoming traffic *to the @yahoo.com domain. They're separate, one doesn't accept the stuff for another. snip Doesn't postfix have some feature like sendmail's mailertable ? Yes. On Googling mailertable I am able to tell you that this appears to be exactly the same as /etc/postfix/transport So: $ cat /etc/postfix/transport lsv.uky.edu :smtp.mail.yahoo.co.uk tells my server that anything going to lsv.uky.edu should relay via my outgoing SMTP account at smtp.mail.yahoo.co.uk. This is a _little_ clumsy for my purposes, but adequate. hmm, looks okay for now. Did you authenticate propery @smtp.mail.yahoo.co.uk ? snip yeah, postfix gets confused by the . MX reference for the domain smtp1.mail.vip.ukl.yahoo.com. Although it is an unclean configuration, I do not see what this has to do with your relay ... your postfix just has to pull its mails (for yahoo.co.uk) to smtp.mail.yahoo.co.uk, and it has an proper A record, so what does it need the MX record for ? Ah, looking up http://www.mob.net/~ted/tools/mx.php3? domain=smtp.mail.yahoo.co.uk I see what you mean. I don't see why postfix is looking up the MX record for it, either. :( Maybe he's paranoid ? My immediate reaction is: what if I host a fake MX record for smtp.mail.yahoo.co.uk on my internal DNS? I'm not sure of the implications of that. hmm, you could hava a try. BTW: if you don't get it fixed, you may get an UUCP account for relay at my site. I think this would only satisfy mg1.uky.edu if you yourself relayed anything to its domain via Yahoo. And for that you would require an SMTP account with Yahoo. My relays push the mails to the MX'es defined in the domains. Maybe I missed the point, but I don't see why this shouldn't work. cu -- - Enrico Weigelt== metux IT service phone: +49 36207 519931 www: http://www.metux.de/ fax: +49 36207 519932 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cellphone: +49 174 7066481 - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: kconsole lost PTYs
Willie Wong wwong at Princeton.EDU writes: Hum, I am pretty much out of ideas. What about editing /etc/udev/udev.conf to have udev_log=debug reboot, and check your system logs? Well, upon rebooting, I'm seeing udev complain about quite a lot of things. Nothing is viewable via dmesg. One of the problems it complained about is that '%e' is deprecated and donot use it. The screen rolls by very fast (P4 with HT) so I need a way to capture this information that is not in the /var/log/dmesg file. ideas? James -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] distrowatch and gentoo......
Daniel da Veiga wrote: On 6/30/06, Marco Calviani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi list, i've recently read this short article on distrowatch: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20060626#news What about these problems? Someone that's more inside the Gentoo decision process, can explain better what's (if it is true) happening? Well, the guy got the attention he wanted. If you follow GWN, you can see devs that come to the project, and others leave, that's only natural, and if you leave a project, you simply do not post the entire web with reasons that can only be taken as highly personal and regarding the human relations inside Gentoo Project. Why aren't the other developers answering? I have only one guess... They really don't care... The project is going on and see lots of discussions and improvements at all topics on the mailing lists and foruns. Gentoo is not dying, not even loosing strenght. Its growing, and growing is painfull, we all know that. Now, distrowatch should pay more attention before posting news that can lead to misunderstanding, probably the dev that left the project had better relations inside distrowatch than inside Gentoo development project ;) Hi, Don't wanna say anything, but all of you could just search -dev ML-archives. There are two alternate package-managers in development. Some sparks about dev/user overlays,sunrise-overlay,GWN etc. etc. Not seen such turmoil in latest 3 years (and IMHO most things are personal). No flames intended, just info. Rumen smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [gentoo-user] distrowatch and gentoo......
Hi, thank you for posting me your thoughts. I think it too that this community is very active and producing a very productive distro. Thanks guys, Marco On 6/30/06, Daniel da Veiga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/30/06, Marco Calviani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi list, i've recently read this short article on distrowatch: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20060626#news What about these problems? Someone that's more inside the Gentoo decision process, can explain better what's (if it is true) happening? Well, the guy got the attention he wanted. If you follow GWN, you can see devs that come to the project, and others leave, that's only natural, and if you leave a project, you simply do not post the entire web with reasons that can only be taken as highly personal and regarding the human relations inside Gentoo Project. Why aren't the other developers answering? I have only one guess... They really don't care... The project is going on and see lots of discussions and improvements at all topics on the mailing lists and foruns. Gentoo is not dying, not even loosing strenght. Its growing, and growing is painfull, we all know that. Now, distrowatch should pay more attention before posting news that can lead to misunderstanding, probably the dev that left the project had better relations inside distrowatch than inside Gentoo development project ;) -- Daniel da Veiga Computer Operator - RS - Brazil -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCM/IT/P/O d-? s:- a? C++$ UBLA++ P+ L++ E--- W+++$ N o+ K- w O M- V- PS PE Y PGP- t+ 5 X+++ R+* tv b+ DI+++ D+ G+ e h+ r+ y++ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] gcc - texinfo dependency
Enrico Weigelt wrote: Hi folks, I've seen, gcc has texinfo as rdependency. What does it need it for ? I'd like to get rid of it. cu Hi, Just checked and it's rather a DEPEND dependency not RDEPEND. Means texinfo is needed only for building GCC, not for running it. IIRC currently portage doesn't support removing DEPEND deps leaving only RDEPEND ones. Anyone here, as i'm not very sure. HTH.Rumen smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [gentoo-user] distrowatch and gentoo......
On Friday 30 June 2006 16:55, Rumen Yotov wrote: Don't wanna say anything, but all of you could just search -dev ML-archives. There are two alternate package-managers in development. Some sparks about dev/user overlays,sunrise-overlay,GWN etc. etc. Not seen such turmoil in latest 3 years (and IMHO most things are personal). No flames intended, just info. Is there a point to this? Because I'm not sure I caught it... (Note that AFAIK both of those alternative package managers wish to be part of Gentoo.) -- Bo Andresen pgpwtNNp0JDBs.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] big problem, small solution
Sean wrote: I recently replaced the fans and heat sinks on my dual opterons to bring the temp down, I was also very much trying to bring the nose level down from the fans. I used 2 copper heat fans with heat pipes from thermaltake, and put some 90 mm fans on each cpu/heatsink. I also put a new case around them to improve air flow. You want more air being pulled out of your box then going in. I manually monitor and control the fan speed and with the new setup I have been able to get the processor fans rpms down to 1800-2000, a real help to reduce noise, with the temp averaging about 46c when idle. When I have done something, perhaps emerge some program, whatever, temp goes to about 50-52c. Check the specs on your processor to see what the operating temp range is so you do not burn things up. Hope it helps, Sean Well, I have a AMD 2500+ and mine doesn't run near that temp. Just plain old air cooling with folding running and I am at 37 and 27. I have a ThermalTake 12 on mine. Why does everybody have these high temps?? Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] binutils-2.16.1-patches-1.10.tar.bz2 ?
Hi all, Since this morning (the 10 last hours at least here in Europe), while performing a simple 'emerge -uD world', I am stopped at binutils, the patch binutils-2.16.1-patches-1.10.tar.bz2 can apparently be found on no portage server. Am I the only one? Anyone knows where it is? Thx -- Jean Magnan de Bornier |Cours Victor Hugo e-mots: jean at bornier.net|13980 Alleins France T 08 70 39 34 03 |P 06 09 17 35 87 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: kconsole lost PTYs
Willie Wong wwong at Princeton.EDU writes: Hum, I am pretty much out of ideas. What about editing /etc/udev/udev.conf to have udev_log=debug reboot, and check your system logs? Well, for now I'm just going to patch this up until I can spend more time on it. All I need to so is issue these commands during the boot cycle, before I login in chown root:tty /dev/pty* chown root:tty /dev/tty* Any suggestions as the best place to insert/script these modifications to the boot sequence are most welcome. James -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] big problem, small solution
Dale wrote: with the temp averaging about 46c when idle. When I have done something, perhaps emerge some program, whatever, temp goes to about 50-52c. Well, I have a AMD 2500+ and mine doesn't run near that temp. Just plain old air cooling with folding running and I am at 37 and 27. I have a ThermalTake 12 on mine. Why does everybody have these high temps?? Dale :-) :-) When I checked out the specs for my Opterons the running temp was listed from 40-70, if I recall correctly, so i think I am doing fine now. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] big problem, small solution
On 6/30/06, Philip Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hardware problems come up here occasionally experiences deserve swapping. Gentoo involves much exercise of the CPU, sometimes making it sweat a lot. My AMD 2500+ CPU (installed 2003) has been getting hotter the fan slower. Here in the summer heat of S Ontario, where my workroom is = 25 C , it had been running at a steady 64 C for a couple of weeks (was 55 C ). When I tried to emerge GCC 4.1.1 , it reached 75 C the box died; several attempts, the same auto switch-off. No fans to fit at the store all available CPUs are 64-bit nowadays, ie build another machine. So I opened up the box, removed the fan the heat-sink, blew wiped all the dust away, smeared on some silicon heat-conductor carefully kept from the original package 3 years ago, put it back together. Now the fan is running at 4400 RPM (was 4000 ) the CPU is at 51 C , rising only to 58 C while successfully compiling GCC 4.1.1 . Hopefully, I won't need to build a new machine till well into 2007 . I have a Pentium IV 2.6GHz (HP pavilion notebook), I used to have temp issues, specially compiling, also, the battery was being drained fast. I followed Gentoo guide in acpi and cpufreqd, created some VERY specific rules, and never saw my note get too hot again (73C is the shutdown temp). At high load, it gets to 66C and the cpufreqd daemon puts the CPU at 2.2 or 2.4GHZ, and the temperature gets stable, even with the fans semi-blocked. This also granted more battery lifetime, and now it stays 2 hours wake with no problems (before, iddle, it would last 45 min). -- Daniel da Veiga Computer Operator - RS - Brazil -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCM/IT/P/O d-? s:- a? C++$ UBLA++ P+ L++ E--- W+++$ N o+ K- w O M- V- PS PE Y PGP- t+ 5 X+++ R+* tv b+ DI+++ D+ G+ e h+ r+ y++ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] PATCHED: kconsole lost PTYs
James wireless at tampabay.rr.com writes: Willie Wong wwong at Princeton.EDU writes: Hum, I am pretty much out of ideas. Well, for now I'm just going to patch this up until I can spend more time on it. All I need to so is issue these commands during the boot cycle, before I login in chown root:tty /dev/pty* chown root:tty /dev/tty* Easy fix: I edited /etc/conf.d/rc #RC_DEVICE_TARBALL=no RC_DEVICE_TARBALL=yes This get's the portable working again, until I have a chance to reinstall it. thanks for the help (Willie Niel) James -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] big problem, small solution
On 6/30/06, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sean wrote: I recently replaced the fans and heat sinks on my dual opterons to bring the temp down, I was also very much trying to bring the nose level down from the fans. I used 2 copper heat fans with heat pipes from thermaltake, and put some 90 mm fans on each cpu/heatsink. I also put a new case around them to improve air flow. You want more air being pulled out of your box then going in. I manually monitor and control the fan speed and with the new setup I have been able to get the processor fans rpms down to 1800-2000, a real help to reduce noise, with the temp averaging about 46c when idle. When I have done something, perhaps emerge some program, whatever, temp goes to about 50-52c. Check the specs on your processor to see what the operating temp range is so you do not burn things up. Hope it helps, Sean Well, I have a AMD 2500+ and mine doesn't run near that temp. Just plain old air cooling with folding running and I am at 37 and 27. I have a ThermalTake 12 on mine. Why does everybody have these high temps?? Notebooks are usually hotter than desktops, also, when your room temperature is about 30C, you will NEVER get 27C on your processor, and, well, have you consider checking your sensors to see if they're working fine (maybe checking the BIOS hardware monitor, if available), cause I never saw a computer running 100% CPU load that does not rise to 30 or 40C. -- Daniel da Veiga Computer Operator - RS - Brazil -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCM/IT/P/O d-? s:- a? C++$ UBLA++ P+ L++ E--- W+++$ N o+ K- w O M- V- PS PE Y PGP- t+ 5 X+++ R+* tv b+ DI+++ D+ G+ e h+ r+ y++ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrading from gcc-3.4.5 to gcc-3.4.6-r1
On 6/29/06, Darren Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didn't seem to help... I can emerge certain packages, but still can't re-merge gcc and glibc. *sigh*. Well, if emerge --info now shows a no-multilib profile, then you might try asking on gentoo-amd64. I still think this is a profile issue, and you might get a better answer there. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] distrowatch and gentoo......
On 6/30/06, Rumen Yotov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel da Veiga wrote: snip Hi, Don't wanna say anything, but all of you could just search -dev ML-archives. There are two alternate package-managers in development. Some sparks about dev/user overlays,sunrise-overlay,GWN etc. etc. Not seen such turmoil in latest 3 years (and IMHO most things are personal). No flames intended, just info. Rumen So, one thing that people seem to forget when they see a lot of conflict going on in situations like these - it's almost always (unless it gets *too* out of hand) a Good Thing. The fact that there is a large group of developers and users that are willing to go through the effort to have such discussions mean that they care *a lot* about Gentoo and Gentoo's future. The fact that these things can sometimes get a little heated encourages me even more - it means that these people are *extremely* passionate about Gentoo, and Gentoo's success! If you go through these recent hot discussions and generalize them, here's pretty much what the theme is *every* time: Person A: I have this great, cool, new, awesome idea that I want to implement to make Gentoo a Better Thing! Person B: OK - cool idea! However, I am concerned that by implementing that Shiny New Idea, you make areas X and Y worse! Person A B: OK, lets see if we can fix this together. OK, so, a lot of time, people who make developers are *not* people who make good communicators, good mediators, etc. etc., so sometimes the interactions don't go down *quite* as nicely as that. ;) However, when you're reading the discussions, always keep this in mind: These people are donating their time, brain power, effort, and life. Due to the moderately high barrier to entry of becoming an actual Dev (the reading, testing, mentoring, etc.), you can be pretty damn sure that these people aren't here just to screw everyone else over, or to screw Gentoo over. So, why are they here? Because they love Gentoo, and they want to help make it even better. So, basically, what I guess I'm trying to say, is that - yes, sometimes things get a little heated, and yes, sometimes developers don't communicate very well gasp, but, the cause behind *all* of these discussions is a passion for making Gentoo better for us - the users. -James -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] USE flag
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ryan Tandy wrote: Jeremy Olexa wrote: without gtk support (aka ncurses) then I would re-emerge profuse WITHOUT Er... maybe I misunderstood something, but gtk and ncurses are two COMPLETELY different things. right. that is what I meant. if you didn't want a gtk interface you would end up using a ncurses interface ;) yes? - -- Jeremy Olexa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Office: EE/CS 1-201 CS/IT Systems Staff University of Minnesota -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEpV2BFN7pD9kMi/URAjtwAKCLGn/3pLhjbZfIpnl8vv21nyw43ACfQk5Y qVfOijhX61Q/6JL9yGpToJA= =mND0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] xorg-x11 upgrade
On 6/30/06, Dave Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bo, Dirk, thanks for the information. I'll get to work on this (major) update. I'll add the nv driver to VIDEO_CARDS as well to have a fall back in case the binary nvidia drivers won't work with the new x11. FYI, I'm using nvidia-kernel-1.0.8762 with xorg 7.0, and they work fine. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] binutils-2.16.1-patches-1.10.tar.bz2 ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jean Magnan de Bornier wrote: Hi all, Since this morning (the 10 last hours at least here in Europe), while performing a simple 'emerge -uD world', I am stopped at binutils, the patch binutils-2.16.1-patches-1.10.tar.bz2 can apparently be found on no portage server. Am I the only one? Anyone knows where it is? Thx Happened to a few of us on IRC earlier. A emerge sync will fix this issue. You may want to sync to a major mirror just to be safe. Or you could just wait and sync later ;) HTH - -- Jeremy Olexa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Office: EE/CS 1-201 CS/IT Systems Staff University of Minnesota -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEpWBgFN7pD9kMi/URAi7TAJ4jIj7bVMI/FLR08AbnD+UiL7sL7ACff4pj TZadAaUu2vXehitdsuyjhpk= =qFkD -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrading from gcc-3.4.5 to gcc-3.4.6-r1
Richard Fish wrote: On 6/29/06, Darren Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didn't seem to help... I can emerge certain packages, but still can't re-merge gcc and glibc. *sigh*. Well, if emerge --info now shows a no-multilib profile, then you might try asking on gentoo-amd64. I still think this is a profile issue, and you might get a better answer there. -Richard Thanks Richard... really do appreciate the help. I'll try posting on amd64 list, but at this point I'm leaning toward re-installing. I've always been quite adventurous in trying things within the linux environment. Any time I've broken things in the past, I've been able to find a way to fix it and learn a lot in the process... until now. I may have to reconsider my philosophy. hehe That being said, is gentoo the right platform for a web/mail server? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] binutils-2.16.1-patches-1.10.tar.bz2 ?
Jeremy Olexa wrote: Jean Magnan de Bornier wrote: Hi all, Since this morning (the 10 last hours at least here in Europe), while performing a simple 'emerge -uD world', I am stopped at binutils, the patch binutils-2.16.1-patches-1.10.tar.bz2 can apparently be found on no portage server. Am I the only one? Anyone knows where it is? Thx Happened to a few of us on IRC earlier. A emerge sync will fix this issue. You may want to sync to a major mirror just to be safe. Or you could just wait and sync later ;) HTH -- Jeremy Olexa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Office: EE/CS 1-201 CS/IT Systems Staff University of Minnesota Same here last night and I put all the USA mirrors in make.conf. Still no joy. Will resync and try again in a bit. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] big problem, small solution
Daniel da Veiga wrote: On 6/30/06, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sean wrote: I recently replaced the fans and heat sinks on my dual opterons to bring the temp down, I was also very much trying to bring the nose level down from the fans. I used 2 copper heat fans with heat pipes from thermaltake, and put some 90 mm fans on each cpu/heatsink. I also put a new case around them to improve air flow. You want more air being pulled out of your box then going in. I manually monitor and control the fan speed and with the new setup I have been able to get the processor fans rpms down to 1800-2000, a real help to reduce noise, with the temp averaging about 46c when idle. When I have done something, perhaps emerge some program, whatever, temp goes to about 50-52c. Check the specs on your processor to see what the operating temp range is so you do not burn things up. Hope it helps, Sean Well, I have a AMD 2500+ and mine doesn't run near that temp. Just plain old air cooling with folding running and I am at 37 and 27. I have a ThermalTake 12 on mine. Why does everybody have these high temps?? Notebooks are usually hotter than desktops, also, when your room temperature is about 30C, you will NEVER get 27C on your processor, and, well, have you consider checking your sensors to see if they're working fine (maybe checking the BIOS hardware monitor, if available), cause I never saw a computer running 100% CPU load that does not rise to 30 or 40C. Yep, it is measuring right. I just have good circulation in my case and a good CPU heatsink. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] distrowatch and gentoo......
Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: On Friday 30 June 2006 16:55, Rumen Yotov wrote: Don't wanna say anything, but all of you could just search -dev ML-archives. There are two alternate package-managers in development. Some sparks about dev/user overlays,sunrise-overlay,GWN etc. etc. Not seen such turmoil in latest 3 years (and IMHO most things are personal). No flames intended, just info. Is there a point to this? Because I'm not sure I caught it... (Note that AFAIK both of those alternative package managers wish to be part of Gentoo.) Hi, Yes but the question is which *one* will prevail (maybe it'll be better if two or even three are used, based on user preferences etc.). The way to go (as it's going now) is to standardize on the ebuild format - the *data* in portage and open place for technical merits. IMO this is just a temporary problem from which something better will emerge, i truly hope so. Lets hope *everybody* will learn from it ;) PS:BTW what you/others think of user-representatives idea? Richard/Neilothers could be ones, both have technicalpersonal qualities. See prev./last GWN. There's a voting thread somewhere in forums.g.o Rumen smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [gentoo-user] binutils-2.16.1-patches-1.10.tar.bz2 ?
Le 30 juin à 19:48:47 Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] écrit notamment: | Jeremy Olexa wrote: | Jean Magnan de Bornier wrote: | Hi all, | Since this morning (the 10 last hours at least here in Europe), while | performing a simple 'emerge -uD world', I am stopped at binutils, the | patch binutils-2.16.1-patches-1.10.tar.bz2 can apparently be found | on no | portage server. | Am I the only one? Anyone knows where it is? | Thx | | Happened to a few of us on IRC earlier. A emerge sync will fix this | issue. You may want to sync to a major mirror just to be safe. Or you | could just wait and sync later ;) HTH | | -- | Jeremy Olexa | ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | Office: EE/CS 1-201 | CS/IT Systems Staff | University of Minnesota | | Same here last night and I put all the USA mirrors in make.conf. Still | no joy. Will resync and try again in a bit. | Dale | :-) :-) OK, so at least I'm not alone... Will try again later... thx -- Jean Magnan de Bornier |Cours Victor Hugo e-mots: jean at bornier.net|13980 Alleins France T 08 70 39 34 03 |P 06 09 17 35 87 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] distrowatch and gentoo......
Hi, James Ausmus wrote: On 6/30/06, Rumen Yotov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel da Veiga wrote: snip Hi, Don't wanna say anything, but all of you could just search -dev ML-archives. There are two alternate package-managers in development. Some sparks about dev/user overlays,sunrise-overlay,GWN etc. etc. Not seen such turmoil in latest 3 years (and IMHO most things are personal). No flames intended, just info. Rumen So, one thing that people seem to forget when they see a lot of conflict going on in situations like these - it's almost always (unless it gets *too* out of hand) a Good Thing. The fact that there is a large group of developers and users that are willing to go through the effort to have such discussions mean that they care *a lot* about Gentoo and Gentoo's future. The fact that these things can sometimes get a little heated encourages me even more - it means that these people are *extremely* passionate about Gentoo, and Gentoo's success! If you go through these recent hot discussions and generalize them, here's pretty much what the theme is *every* time: Agreed. Person A: I have this great, cool, new, awesome idea that I want to implement to make Gentoo a Better Thing! Person B: OK - cool idea! However, I am concerned that by implementing that Shiny New Idea, you make areas X and Y worse! Person A B: OK, lets see if we can fix this together. OK, so, a lot of time, people who make developers are *not* people who make good communicators, good mediators, etc. etc., so sometimes the interactions don't go down *quite* as nicely as that. ;) So i hope *everybody* will learn something out of this. There's *always* place for improvement ;) However, when you're reading the discussions, always keep this in mind: These people are donating their time, brain power, effort, and life. Due to the moderately high barrier to entry of becoming an actual Dev (the reading, testing, mentoring, etc.), you can be pretty damn sure that these people aren't here just to screw everyone else over, or to screw Gentoo over. So, why are they here? Because they love Gentoo, and they want to help make it even better. Yes, agree 100%. My thankfulness toward *all* devs. So, basically, what I guess I'm trying to say, is that - yes, sometimes things get a little heated, and yes, sometimes developers don't communicate very well gasp, but, the cause behind *all* of these discussions is a passion for making Gentoo better for us - the users. Maybe each one need to make a *little* sacrifice if him/her own ideas/opinions so to at least give a chance to others, to at least try to prove their points. The art of making a compromise. IMHO not all you think/see is true or right (just part of the whole). Even if thinking (at that moment) that this is *a little* wrong. -James Rumen smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrading from gcc-3.4.5 to gcc-3.4.6-r1
Darren Grant schrieb: That being said, is gentoo the right platform for a web/mail server? I think so, and I do so :) What I like is, that I'm able to easily and clearly install only what's required - ie. no X for example. Sure, there are server distributions out there, which also offer that, but they are rather often not as active as Gentoo certainly is. Alexander Skwar -- Die Affekte sind die krankhaften Säfte der Seele, und an jedem Übermaße derselben erkrankt die Klugheit: Steigt gar das Übel zum Munde hinaus, so läuft die Ehre Gefahr. -- Baltasar Gracián y Morales (Handorakel und Kunst der Weltklugheit) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] SparesMissing event on /dev/md4 --huh? what spare would that be?
On 6/29/06, Richard Broersma Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just preformed an emerge --update world after update grading to portage 2.1-r1. I noticed that mdadm and some other packages were required to be updated to older versions. Since then, I am getting false alarms from mdadm. --- mdadm monitoring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: mdadm monitoring [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SparesMissing event on /dev/md4:db_server01 Did you try google? http://marc2.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-raidm=108834493826264w=2 -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] distrowatch and gentoo......
On Friday 30 June 2006 20:16, Rumen Yotov wrote: Yes but the question is which *one* will prevail (maybe it'll be better if two or even three are used, based on user preferences etc.). The way to go (as it's going now) is to standardize on the ebuild format - the *data* in portage and open place for technical merits. IMO this is just a temporary problem from which something better will emerge, i truly hope so. Lets hope *everybody* will learn from it ;) I don't quite see how there is anything temporary about it. As I see standardizing the ebuilds is the permanent solution. It allows for several package managers to coexist (i.e. no *one* needs to prevail) and by looking at the standard one can always determine if a bug is in the ebuild or in the package manager. I think the discussion about package managers is an example of a heated discussion that ended out with the perfect solution. -- Bo Andresen pgpM5E6Ot7Zf7.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] binutils-2.16.1-patches-1.10.tar.bz2 ?
Jean Magnan de Bornier wrote: Le 30 juin à 19:48:47 Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] écrit notamment: | Jeremy Olexa wrote: | Jean Magnan de Bornier wrote: | Hi all, | Since this morning (the 10 last hours at least here in Europe), while | performing a simple 'emerge -uD world', I am stopped at binutils, the | patch binutils-2.16.1-patches-1.10.tar.bz2 can apparently be found | on no | portage server. | Am I the only one? Anyone knows where it is? | Thx | | Happened to a few of us on IRC earlier. A emerge sync will fix this | issue. You may want to sync to a major mirror just to be safe. Or you | could just wait and sync later ;) HTH | | -- | Jeremy Olexa | ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | Office: EE/CS 1-201 | CS/IT Systems Staff | University of Minnesota | | Same here last night and I put all the USA mirrors in make.conf. Still | no joy. Will resync and try again in a bit. | Dale | :-) :-) OK, so at least I'm not alone... Will try again later... thx Yea, having something broke and you're the only one is not a good feeling. I even used mirrorselect -i to get all the USA mirrors. O_O I made a back-up of make.conf first though. I have read about it at least. I'll test mine after my nightly ritual, emerge --sync emerge -uvp world. Meantime we'll give each other moral support. LOL Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Problems with locale - ANSI_X3.4-1968
My locale is supposed to be da_DK.ut8 but is reported to be ANSI_X3.4-1968 The problems started after having updated to Gnome 2.14 and baselayout. Before that it worked fine. Anybody familiar with this problem with UTF8 and ANSI_X3.4-1968? -Kristian Poul Herkild -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Seamonkey and a saved session in KDE.
Hi folks, Sorry, I'm from the south. LOL I recently had issues with Mozilla, ie it won't start anymore. I was told it was about to be removed anyway so I switched to Seamonkey, same thing, new name. I have my KDE set up to save my sessions. I got Seamonkey where I wanted it and then cllcked the save session thing in the K menu. This is how I did it with Mozilla and it worked fine. Browser on desktop 1 and email on desktop 2. My question is this: Why is it that when I start KDE, Seamonkey is the ONLY app that does not start as it should? It does not come up or even try to that I can see. I have saved the session several times but still no joy. Anybody have a clue? Thanks Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] distrowatch and gentoo......
On Friday 30 June 2006 08:48, Marco Calviani wrote: Hi list, i've recently read this short article on distrowatch: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20060626#news read the comments. read GWN read planet gentoo. It was explained several times. A dev felt abused, he said, that he would retire because of dev-dev problemsn After some mails, he rethought his decision and did not retire. Blatantly said, devs come and devs go all the time. gentoo is a big project, and with every big project with lots of peoples involved there is some friction. Some people can deal well with friction, others not. And some are even the cause of friction. But there is no mass exodus so far. DON'T PANIC! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Should KDE programs be shown in Ubuntu Gnome menu?
Hello. I just installed KNode, as this is my fav. usenet client. Should KNode now show up in the Applications menu of (Gnome) Ubuntu Dapper? I'm asking, as it doesn't show up and I'd like to know, if this is correct (I hope not *G*). Thanks, Alexander Skwar -- Neue Meldungen von Windows 2000: Drücken Sie eine beliebige Taste außer... nein, Nein, NEIN, NICHT DIE DA! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Should KDE programs be shown in Ubuntu Gnome menu?
Alexander Skwar schrieb: [ nothing again... ] Please excuse me once more... I'm still looking for that darn cancel feature for e-mails. Did anyone spot it yet? :) Alexander Skwar -- Freiwillige Abhängigkeit ist der schönste Zustand, und wie wäre der möglich ohne Liebe? -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (Wahlverwandtschaften II) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] 2006 livecd (x86)
Hello I just booted one up and I cannot su to root. It wants a passwd and I tried the usual suspects... The default user (gentoo) can issue (sudo) root commands? Certainly the gentoo user does not have the paths set such as root's paths would be set. I definately need the default root passwd to set the ip address (ifconfig) for a temporary test. Fome the handbook Once the boot process completes, you will be automatically logged in to the Live Gentoo Linux as root, the super user. You should have a root (#) But that's not the case for me . There was an intial log screen, but entering root there it still prompts me for the root passwd... Is the default passwd the same for amd64 livecd? lspci is present, but 'lshw' is not. Is there a way to get lshw on a usb memory device, so I can use to test out a new portable(no net connection)? Is there a way to include lshw on the installation CD? Any other suggestions for using a 2006 livecd for testing (potential) equipment? James -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Should KDE programs be shown in Ubuntu Gnome menu?
On Friday 30 June 2006 21:30, Alexander Skwar wrote: Please excuse me once more... I'm still looking for that darn cancel feature for e-mails. Did anyone spot it yet? :) Start signing your e-mails. Make sure it asks for a password each time you send a mail. That made me think twice a few times... ;) -- Bo Andresen pgpjDANiG7wC5.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] binutils-2.16.1-patches-1.10.tar.bz2 ?
Le 30 juin à 21:00:28 Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] écrit notamment: | I'll test mine after my nightly ritual, emerge --sync emerge -uvp | world. Meantime we'll give each other moral support. LOL great! But here is the big news: one hour ago I went for another eix-sync emerge -uDav world and ... xorg-x11 modular is now stable (wasn't this morning), and blocked by xorg-x11-6.. so I decide to switch to modular: quickpkg xorg-x11 emerge -C xorg-x11, emerge -uD world now : .. Emerging (1 of 190) x11-proto/kbproto-1.0.2 to / Adjusting permissions recursively: '/usr/portage/distfiles/cvs-src' Downloading http://ftp.belnet.be/mirror/rsync.gentoo.org/gentoo/distfiles/kbproto-1.0.2.tar.bz2 --21:39:27-- http://ftp.belnet.be/mirror/rsync.gentoo.org/gentoo/distfiles/kbproto-1.0.2.tar.bz2 = `/usr/portage/distfiles/kbproto-1.0.2.tar.bz2' Résolution de ftp.belnet.be... 193.190.198.20, 2001:6a8:3c80:0:203:baff:fe39:f931 Connexion vers ftp.belnet.be|193.190.198.20|:80...connecté. requête HTTP transmise, en attente de la réponse...200 OK Longueur: 57,853 (56K) [application/x-tar] 100%[===] 57,853 141.08K/s 21:39:28 (140.78 KB/s) - « /usr/portage/distfiles/kbproto-1.0.2.tar.bz2 » sauvegardé [57853/57853] checking ebuild checksums ;-) checking auxfile checksums ;-) checking miscfile checksums ;-) checking kbproto-1.0.2.tar.bz2 !!! Digest verification failed: !!! /usr/portage/distfiles/kbproto-1.0.2.tar.bz2 !!! Reason: Failed on MD5 verification !!! Got: 3ae193c317a3621966c3c53d83a254f4 !!! Expected: 77d889b21a827409f8dd40f8bfc68a12 ... And my system is without X now (when I log again that is); my worries about binutils semm futile! LOL as you say... cheers -- Jean Magnan de Bornier |Cours Victor Hugo e-mots: jean at bornier.net|13980 Alleins France T 08 70 39 34 03 |P 06 09 17 35 87 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] xextproto download madness
This is odd: Emerging (1 of 199) x11-proto/xextproto-7.0.2 to / Resuming download... Downloading http://xorg.freedesktop.org/releases/individual/proto/xextproto-7.0.2.tar.bz2 --15:50:32-- http://xorg.freedesktop.org/releases/individual/proto/xextproto-7.0.2.tar.bz2 = `/usr/portage/distfiles/xextproto-7.0.2.tar.bz2' Resolving xorg.freedesktop.org... 131.252.208.36 Connecting to xorg.freedesktop.org|131.252.208.36|:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 416 Requested Range Not Satisfiable The file is already fully retrieved; nothing to do. !!! Couldn't download xextproto-7.0.2.tar.bz2. Aborting. Error in sys.exitfunc: I find it strange that emerge can say fully retrieved, nothing to do and Couldn't download in the same breath. I've tried a few things like cleaning out distfiles and downloading the file manually, I can't seem to make portage happy. Also tried turning off parallel-fetching, but that only got rid of the sys.exitfunc error. Help? -- Ryan W Sims () ascii ribbon /\ campaign - against html mail - against proprietary attachments -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 2006 livecd (x86)
You can do sudo passwd and set the root password, if you have sudo. I don't think you should need to do that but it works. --David On 6/30/06, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello I just booted one up and I cannot su to root. It wants a passwd and I tried the usual suspects... The default user (gentoo) can issue (sudo) root commands? Certainly the gentoo user does not have the paths set such as root's paths would be set. I definately need the default root passwd to set the ip address (ifconfig) for a temporary test. Fome the handbook Once the boot process completes, you will be automatically logged in to the Live Gentoo Linux as root, the super user. You should have a root (#) But that's not the case for me . There was an intial log screen, but entering root there it still prompts me for the root passwd... Is the default passwd the same for amd64 livecd? lspci is present, but 'lshw' is not. Is there a way to get lshw on a usb memory device, so I can use to test out a new portable(no net connection)? Is there a way to include lshw on the installation CD? Any other suggestions for using a 2006 livecd for testing (potential) equipment? James -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: kconsole lost PTYs
On Fri, Jun 30, 2006 at 03:53:50PM +, Penguin Lover James squawked: All I need to so is issue these commands during the boot cycle, before I login in chown root:tty /dev/pty* chown root:tty /dev/tty* Any suggestions as the best place to insert/script these modifications to the boot sequence are most welcome. /etc/conf.d/local.start W -- Physics: a liberal arts on steroids. ~Prof. Peter Meyers. Sortir en Pantoufles: up 20 days, 21:15 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 2006 livecd (x86)
On 6/30/06, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello I just booted one up and I cannot su to root. It wants a passwd and I tried the usual suspects... The default user (gentoo) can issue (sudo) root commands? Certainly the gentoo user does not have the paths set such as root's paths would be set. I definately need the default root passwd to set the ip address (ifconfig) for a temporary test. Have you tried sudo su? Or CTRL+F[1-6] and passwd because the consoles are logged in automatically... Fome the handbook Once the boot process completes, you will be automatically logged in to the Live Gentoo Linux as root, the super user. You should have a root (#) But that's not the case for me . There was an intial log screen, but entering root there it still prompts me for the root passwd... Are you using the 2006.0 and following the old guide? Because what you refer is for manual install, you don't get the X system in this type of install... Is the default passwd the same for amd64 livecd? The password is scrambled for security reasons, you can change it... lspci is present, but 'lshw' is not. Is there a way to get lshw on a usb memory device, so I can use to test out a new portable(no net connection)? Is there a way to include lshw on the installation CD? Any other suggestions for using a 2006 livecd for testing (potential) equipment? Get a LiveCD that is designed for testing... The Gentoo one is for Gentoo install. I've used specially made Knoppix CDs for testing/fixing. There are instructions on how to make your own Gentoo LiveCD at gentoo.org (you can add whatever you want this way). -- Daniel da Veiga Computer Operator - RS - Brazil -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCM/IT/P/O d-? s:- a? C++$ UBLA++ P+ L++ E--- W+++$ N o+ K- w O M- V- PS PE Y PGP- t+ 5 X+++ R+* tv b+ DI+++ D+ G+ e h+ r+ y++ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] binutils-2.16.1-patches-1.10.tar.bz2 ?
Jean Magnan de Bornier wrote: Le 30 juin à 21:00:28 Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] écrit notamment: | I'll test mine after my nightly ritual, emerge --sync emerge -uvp | world. Meantime we'll give each other moral support. LOL great! But here is the big news: one hour ago I went for another eix-sync emerge -uDav world and ... xorg-x11 modular is now stable (wasn't this morning), and blocked by xorg-x11-6.. so I decide to switch to modular: quickpkg xorg-x11 emerge -C xorg-x11, emerge -uD world now : .. Emerging (1 of 190) x11-proto/kbproto-1.0.2 to / Adjusting permissions recursively: '/usr/portage/distfiles/cvs-src' Downloading http://ftp.belnet.be/mirror/rsync.gentoo.org/gentoo/distfiles/kbproto-1.0.2.tar.bz2 --21:39:27-- http://ftp.belnet.be/mirror/rsync.gentoo.org/gentoo/distfiles/kbproto-1.0.2.tar.bz2 = `/usr/portage/distfiles/kbproto-1.0.2.tar.bz2' Résolution de ftp.belnet.be... 193.190.198.20, 2001:6a8:3c80:0:203:baff:fe39:f931 Connexion vers ftp.belnet.be|193.190.198.20|:80...connecté. requête HTTP transmise, en attente de la réponse...200 OK Longueur: 57,853 (56K) [application/x-tar] 100%[===] 57,853 141.08K/s 21:39:28 (140.78 KB/s) - « /usr/portage/distfiles/kbproto-1.0.2.tar.bz2 » sauvegardé [57853/57853] checking ebuild checksums ;-) checking auxfile checksums ;-) checking miscfile checksums ;-) checking kbproto-1.0.2.tar.bz2 !!! Digest verification failed: !!! /usr/portage/distfiles/kbproto-1.0.2.tar.bz2 !!! Reason: Failed on MD5 verification !!! Got: 3ae193c317a3621966c3c53d83a254f4 !!! Expected: 77d889b21a827409f8dd40f8bfc68a12 ... And my system is without X now (when I log again that is); my worries about binutils semm futile! LOL as you say... cheers Uh oh. I have been dreading this. Thanks for the warning. I'll wait a few days to sync now. Stick with what works. ;-) Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Should KDE programs be shown in Ubuntu Gnome menu?
Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: On Friday 30 June 2006 21:30, Alexander Skwar wrote: Please excuse me once more... I'm still looking for that darn cancel feature for e-mails. Did anyone spot it yet? :) Start signing your e-mails. Make sure it asks for a password each time you send a mail. That made me think twice a few times... ;) I wish I had one when I open my mouth. I have kept it closed for the past few days. My foot doesn't fit well. My wedding is coming up and my nerves are a bit thin. Yea, a guy being nervous. We do need that cancel button. I thought someone was trying to do that anyway?? Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] xorg-x11: Compile always fails.
I wanted to upgrade to X11R7 (following http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/x/x11/modular-x-howto.xml) but it just doesn't work. Except all the digest errors, I just can't compile some packages I need, # emerge -av xorg-x11 --digest Emerging (1 of 57) x11-libs/libXt-1.0.2 to / checking for XT... configure: error: Package requirements (sm x11 xproto kbproto) were not met: No package 'sm' found Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you installed software in a non-standard prefix. After --skipfirst the same: Emerging (1 of 56) x11-libs/libXmu-1.0.2 to / checking for XMU... configure: error: Package requirements (xt xext xextproto) were not met: No package 'xt' found And I just don't know what's going wrong. Greets, Nico -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] xextproto download madness
On Friday 30 June 2006 21:54, Ryan Sims wrote: I find it strange that emerge can say fully retrieved, nothing to do and Couldn't download in the same breath. I've tried a few things like cleaning out distfiles and downloading the file manually, I can't seem to make portage happy. Delete the file from $DISTDIR (/usr/portage/distfiles) if it is there, emerge --sync and try again. Also tried turning off parallel-fetching, but that only got rid of the sys.exitfunc error. Shouldn't be necessary. -- Bo Andresen pgpbnnFmJPhwW.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] xorg-x11: Compile always fails.
On 6/30/06, Nico Schümann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wanted to upgrade to X11R7 (following http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/x/x11/modular-x-howto.xml) but it just doesn't work. Except all the digest errors, I just can't compile some packages I need, # emerge -av xorg-x11 --digest Why are you having to redigest stuff? This should not be necessary... -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Should KDE programs be shown in Ubuntu Gnome menu?
ignorance is a giftOn 6/30/06, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: On Friday 30 June 2006 21:30, Alexander Skwar wrote: Please excuse me once more... I'm still looking for that darn cancel feature for e-mails. Did anyone spot it yet? :) Start signing your e-mails. Make sure it asks for a password each time you send a mail. That made me think twice a few times... ;)I wish I had one when I open my mouth.I have kept it closed for the past few days.My foot doesn't fit well.My wedding is coming up andmy nerves are a bit thin.Yea, a guy being nervous.We do need thatcancel button.I thought someone was trying to do that anyway?? Dale:-):-)--gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone using Yahoo as Postfix relay? (Name service error for name=smtp1.mail.vip.ukl.yahoo.com type=MX: Malformed name server reply)
On 30 Jun 2006, at 15:23, Enrico Weigelt wrote: Yeah, one server is for relaying traffic with @... *sender*, and another is for incoming traffic *to the @yahoo.com domain. They're separate, one doesn't accept the stuff for another. Well, duh! Excuse me for not explaining myself properly. But I don't know how to explain myself better. Did you authenticate propery @smtp.mail.yahoo.co.uk ? I believe so. There's nothing in the logs to indicate that I haven't, and the user:pass in /etc/postfix/sasl_passwd is correct, I don't see why postfix is looking up the MX record for it, either. :( Maybe he's paranoid ? Uh, but this seems to be postfix on MY box (compaq.stroller.uk.eu.org) BTW: if you don't get it fixed, you may get an UUCP account for relay at my site. I think this would only satisfy mg1.uky.edu if you yourself relayed anything to its domain via Yahoo. And for that you would require an SMTP account with Yahoo. My relays push the mails to the MX'es defined in the domains. Maybe I missed the point, but I don't see why this shouldn't work. My box normally pushes to the MX defined for the domain, too, but mg1.uky.edu will reject SMTP deliveries for any message with a From: address where the domain doesn't match the sending machine. As I have already explained. Stroller. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (!prev): 0x08067d98 ***
I'm sure I've had this before, but I'm knackered if I can remember how I fixed it. Leafnode was working perfectly fine until a few days ago, then all of a sudden when I try to grab messages from upstream I get the following: $ sudo fetchnews -vvv Password: fetchnews mode: get articles, get headers, get bodies, post articles erased stale pid 1097 host quattro.stroller.uk.eu.org lockfile / var/spool/news/leaf.node/lock.file *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (!prev): 0x08067d98 *** Aborted $ sudo rm /var/spool/news/leaf.node/lock.file $ sudo fetchnews -vvv Password: fetchnews mode: get articles, get headers, get bodies, post articles *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (!prev): 0x08067d98 *** Aborted $ I have tried re-emerging leafnode, emerging world then `emerge -e leafnode` and it makes no difference. After this `revdep-rebuild` finds nothing to do, and so it still doesn't work. Does anyone have any suggestions, please? I think there may be some other command for fixing a systems binary dependencies, but I can't think what it is. Stroller. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Should KDE programs be shown in Ubuntu Gnome menu?
On 6/30/06, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snipe I wish I had one when I open my mouth. I have kept it closed for the past few days. My foot doesn't fit well. My wedding is coming up and my nerves are a bit thin. Yea, a guy being nervous. We do need that cancel button. I thought someone was trying to do that anyway?? Congrats on the impeding doom, err, wait, I mean wedding. ;) It's actually not as bad as they say. Now kids - those are *worse* than they say! grin -James (Sorry for thread-hijacking!) Dale :-) :-) -- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] binutils-2.16.1-patches-1.10.tar.bz2 ?
On Friday 30 June 2006 17:49, Jean Magnan de Bornier wrote: Since this morning (the 10 last hours at least here in Europe), while performing a simple 'emerge -uD world', I am stopped at binutils, the patch binutils-2.16.1-patches-1.10.tar.bz2 can apparently be found on no portage server. Am I the only one? Anyone knows where it is? And at about the same time this was reported to bugzilla [1]. The problem is that the dev who commited the ebuild hasn't uploaded the patchset yet. The solution was to package.mask the ebuild. You could have done the same manually by adding the ebuild to /etc/portage/package.mask: # echo =sys-devel/binutils-2.16.1-r3 /etc/portage/package.mask Don't do this now as it has been done in the tree but that would be the proper solution if you weren't going to file a bug anyway, rather than asking this list if others were experiencing the same bug. [1] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=138551 -- Bo Andresen pgpuu0HpaZ3st.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] xextproto download madness [solved]
On 6/30/06, Bo Ørsted Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 30 June 2006 21:54, Ryan Sims wrote: I find it strange that emerge can say fully retrieved, nothing to do and Couldn't download in the same breath. I've tried a few things like cleaning out distfiles and downloading the file manually, I can't seem to make portage happy. Delete the file from $DISTDIR (/usr/portage/distfiles) if it is there, emerge --sync and try again. Well, that worked. Any thoughts about what happened? Or is it just one of the great ineffables. -- Ryan W Sims () ascii ribbon /\ campaign - against html mail - against proprietary attachments -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] xorg-x11: Compile always fails.
On 6/30/06, Nico Schümann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2006/6/30, Richard Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Why are you having to redigest stuff? This should not be necessary... Because portage complained about some wrong hashes, I got no idea why. Ok, well, you *really* should be careful about re-digesting stuff. A digest failure means you do not have the files that the Gentoo devs expect you to have. The right thing to do in almost all cases of a digest failure is to: If it is a failure in /usr/portage/category/pkg/files/: emerge --sync or if it is a distfile that it is complaining about: rm /usr/portage/distfiles/offender.tbz2 As far as your current problem: emerge --oneshot xproto kbproto libSM emerge --oneshot libXt emerge xorg-x11 -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] xextproto download madness [solved]
On Friday 30 June 2006 23:36, Ryan Sims wrote: Well, that worked. Any thoughts about what happened? Or is it just one of the great ineffables. Upstream probably changed the tarball without making a proper revision bump. The developer who commited a change to the ebuild had the old version in his $DISTDIR and didn't remove and refetch before digesting. I blame upstream... ;) -- Bo Andresen pgpC7AZNjCGV0.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: 2006 livecd (x86)
David Dalrymple davidad at mit.edu writes: sudo passwd works like a charm! I'm not sure why this little bit of info is missing from the handbook. thx, James -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: 2006 livecd (x86)
On Friday 30 June 2006 23:42, James wrote: sudo passwd works like a charm! I'm not sure why this little bit of info is missing from the handbook. Daniel already answered that question. The manual install book assumes that you use the installcd rather than the livecd. That doesn't mean you should but it explains why it isn't in there. You may try to file a bug to have this added if you wish. -- Bo Andresen pgp9HGaeMewMa.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] binutils-2.16.1-patches-1.10.tar.bz2 ?
Jean Magnan de Bornier wrote: and ... xorg-x11 modular is now stable (wasn't this morning), and blocked by xorg-x11-6.. so I decide to switch to modular: quickpkg xorg-x11 emerge -C xorg-x11, [...] !!! Digest verification failed: [...] And my system is without X now But you quickpackaged x11, just reinstall it: emerge -K xorg-x11 Benno -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] binutils-2.16.1-patches-1.10.tar.bz2 ?
On Friday 30 June 2006 21:50, Jean Magnan de Bornier wrote: !!! Digest verification failed: !!! /usr/portage/distfiles/kbproto-1.0.2.tar.bz2 So sync again and retry. This was fixed 3 hours ago. ;) It was wrong for only 3 hours... -- Bo Andresen pgpfQJqOTLTru.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] xorg-x11: Compile always fails.
2006/6/30, Richard Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ok, well, you *really* should be careful about re-digesting stuff. A digest failure means you do not have the files that the Gentoo devs expect you to have. The right thing to do in almost all cases of a digest failure is to: I know that it is dirty to do this, but I was a bit irritated. The digest-thing seems to be vanished now, I don't know why. If it is a failure in /usr/portage/category/pkg/files/: emerge --sync The first thing I did (three times today, I hope that I won't be banned), but it didn't help. or if it is a distfile that it is complaining about: rm /usr/portage/distfiles/offender.tbz2 Twice this day. As far as your current problem: emerge --oneshot xproto kbproto libSM emerge --oneshot libXt emerge xorg-x11 Uhm, it seems to work :) Thank you very much (except the libSM, everything has been emerged before, maybe a broken dependencie or stuff) Nico -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] binutils-2.16.1-patches-1.10.tar.bz2 ?
Le 30 juin à 23:36:05 Bo Ørsted Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED] écrit notamment: | On Friday 30 June 2006 17:49, Jean Magnan de Bornier wrote: | Since this morning (the 10 last hours at least here in Europe), while | performing a simple 'emerge -uD world', I am stopped at binutils, the | patch binutils-2.16.1-patches-1.10.tar.bz2 can apparently be found on no | portage server. | Am I the only one? Anyone knows where it is? | And at about the same time this was reported to bugzilla [1]. The problem is | that the dev who commited the ebuild hasn't uploaded the patchset yet. The | solution was to package.mask the ebuild. You could have done the same | manually by adding the ebuild to /etc/portage/package.mask: | # echo =sys-devel/binutils-2.16.1-r3 /etc/portage/package.mask | Don't do this now as it has been done in the tree but that would be the proper | solution if you weren't going to file a bug anyway, rather than asking this | list if others were experiencing the same bug. | [1] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=138551 Well thanks, I've been stupidely searching the forum for that but I keep forgetting about bugzilla... -- Jean Magnan de Bornier |Cours Victor Hugo e-mots: jean at bornier.net|13980 Alleins France T 08 70 39 34 03 |P 06 09 17 35 87 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: 2006 livecd (x86)
Daniel da Veiga danieldaveiga at gmail.com writes: I just booted one up and I cannot su to root. It wants a passwd and I tried the usual suspects... The default user (gentoo) can issue (sudo) root commands? Certainly the gentoo user does not have the paths set such as root's paths would be set. I definately need the default root passwd to set the ip address (ifconfig) for a temporary test. Have you tried sudo su? Or CTRL+F[1-6] and passwd because the consoles are logged in automatically... Yes it sudo su works fine. Are you using the 2006.0 and following the old guide? Because what you refer is for manual install, you don't get the X system in this type of install... I'm not trying to install a system, I'm using it for testing potential portables before purchase one. I'm following the guide directly off of www.gentoo.com Updated May 28, 2006. Is the default passwd the same for amd64 livecd? The password is scrambled for security reasons, you can change it... Hm, OK since I do (yet) have an amd64 system to test it on, I'm assuming the same 'sudo su' trick will work on a livecd for amd64? It's my first choice, as I go out and test portables. lspci is present, but 'lshw' is not. Is there a way to get lshw on usb memory device, so I can use to test out a new portable (no net connection)? Is there a way to include lshw on the installation CD? Any other suggestions for using a 2006 livecd for testing (potential) equipment? Get a LiveCD that is designed for testing... The Gentoo one is for Gentoo install. I've used specially made Knoppix CDs for testing/fixing. There are instructions on how to make your own Gentoo LiveCD at gentoo.org (you can add whatever you want this way). Got a url to the iso immage? And a little documentation? Note, the livecd is very easy (dirt simple) to test with. Just boot it up and go root. Knoppix is something I do not have any experience with, nor can I imagine it is easier to use than Gentoo livecd, which only missing lshw, which would be extremely useful for hardware discovery for both testing and installation; ymmv. Of coarse if your testing cds have the ability to setup lm_sensors so one can test the low_level busses on portables, that would be a keen advantage. Send me urls to the knoppix cds for testing of x86 and amd64 and I'll give those a whirl tonight while shopping. tia, James -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Confused with the --oneshot option of portage.
On Wednesday 24 May 2006 02:16, Jonathan Chocron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about '[gentoo-user] Confused with the --oneshot option of portage.': I need to do a little bit of portage history before asking a my question, sorry. If the following is wrong, please correct me ! Once upon a time, in the happy land of portage, there was a file named world. This file knew of all the packages that inhabited a planet called gentoo system. As long as I've been using gentoo (not long, since 2004) this file has always only listed packages you explicitly installed, not any of their dependencies. Although, some misguided users accused it on containing all their packages. Then, this file was cruelly deleted by the gods known as gentoo devs. It was not cruel or anything, it was just that the file had served its purposed and was now to be regenerated every time someone invoked emerge -Dup world. *I* still have this file. It did *MOVE* at some point but it current incarnation is at /var/lib/portage/world. I've edited the file manually a number of times followed by a emerge -A --depclean to clean up my system. The file that changed from existing to being auto-calculated was the edb cache IIRC. From what I understand, these isn't a way to auto-calculate world from what's stored in /var/db/pkg and /var/lib/portage (other than world and world.backup). So, here are my questions : With world being autogenerated World isn't auto-generated. - If I emerge a library, like xvid with emerge xvid, it will end up in world. How do I revert that ? Do I have to emerge -C xvid and then emerge --oneshot xvid ? Edit /var/lib/portage/world. - If I emerge -Dup world, will the listed packages alkl end-up in world ? Nope, because they weren't listed on the command-line. Just like when you emerge kde-meta you only get one package added to world not 300. - If I first emerge a package, for example kmail, with emerge kmail, and later, during an upgrade phase, do an emerge --oneshot kmail, will kmail be removed from world ? That's one for the portage devs, but I don't /think/ so. -- If there's one thing we've established over the years, it's that the vast majority of our users don't have the slightest clue what's best for them in terms of package stability. -- Gentoo Developer Ciaran McCreesh pgpdpAfHXTNyD.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] New baselayout changed my rc-update?
Hi All, After a baselayout update I rebooted and now get: * Device initiated services: net.eth0 and after a few more lines: * net.eth0: cannot start until the runlevel boot has completed. This happens despite the fact that net.eth0 is not in my rc-update scripts (however, net.lo is). rc-update comes up with some errors too: # rc-update -s * Invalid runlevel entry: /etc/runlevels/boot/.keep * Invalid runlevel entry: /etc/runlevels/default/.keep * Invalid runlevel entry: /etc/runlevels/nonetwork/.keep * Invalid runlevel entry: /etc/runlevels/single/.keep acpid | default alsasound | boot bootmisc | boot checkfs | boot checkroot | boot clock | boot coldplug | boot consolefont | boot domainname | default hdparm | default hibernate-cleanup | boot hostname | boot hotplug | default iptables | default keymaps | boot local | default nonetwork localmount | boot microcode_ctl | default modules | boot net.lo | boot netmount | default rmnologin | boot serial | boot syslog-ng | default urandom | boot vixie-cron | default xdm | default What now? -- Regards, Mick -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New baselayout changed my rc-update?
try #rc-update show -v -- Ing. Anielkis Herrera González Desarrollador de Nova LNX Linux User #377809 Universidad de las Ciencias Informáticas Cuba -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] cannot print after changing CUPS printer
On 30/06/06, Michael [Plouj] Ploujnikov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My config is already almost exactly like that, except that my config does not specify: Listen 127.0.0.1:631 127.0.0.1 is localhost (loopback) and is needed for your computer to be able to connect to its own cupsd and thus be able to print. and this was enabled to allow other local CUPS servers (on a laptop computer) to print to my printer: BrowseAddress @LOCAL I assume you have replaced @LOCAL with @192.168.0.1/24 or whatever the local address is? I tried adding Listen 127.0.0.1:631 but cups actually refused to start because it was Unable to bind socket for address :631 - Address already in use. my CUPS automatically listens on: 0.0.0.0:631 OK, but 0.0.0.0 is *every* address in the universe, not the localhost address. Add localhost:631 it should do the same job like 127.0.0.1. Finally, check that the Deny/Allow is set to Deny all and Allow 127.0.0.1. Otherwise I've run out of ideas . . . -- Regards, Mick -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] xorg-x11 upgrade
On Fri, Jun 30, 2006 at 10:32:59AM -0700, Penguin Lover Richard Fish squawked: FYI, I'm using nvidia-kernel-1.0.8762 with xorg 7.0, and they work fine. Thanks, and good to hear. I've been waiting for some souls braver than I to upgrade first before making the jump myself. W -- I live in my own little world. It's okay -- they know me here. Sortir en Pantoufles: up 21 days, 13 min -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] USE flag
On Fri, Jun 30, 2006 at 12:21:06PM -0500, Penguin Lover Jeremy Olexa squawked: Ryan Tandy wrote: Jeremy Olexa wrote: without gtk support (aka ncurses) then I would re-emerge profuse WITHOUT Er... maybe I misunderstood something, but gtk and ncurses are two COMPLETELY different things. right. that is what I meant. if you didn't want a gtk interface you would end up using a ncurses interface ;) yes? Well, just to be pedantic ;) profuse can also fall back on a pure 'dialog' based interface if you set -gtk and -ncurses. W -- ...save yourself the trouble of having to integrate over the whole universe everytime you need electricity. ~Prof. Kirk T. McDonald, DeathEM, P-town PHY 304 Sortir en Pantoufles: up 21 days, 15 min -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New baselayout changed my rc-update?
On 01/07/06, Anielkis Herrera Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: try #rc-update show -v Thanks, the errors are still there: === # rc-update show -v * Invalid runlevel entry: /etc/runlevels/boot/.keep * Invalid runlevel entry: /etc/runlevels/default/.keep * Invalid runlevel entry: /etc/runlevels/nonetwork/.keep * Invalid runlevel entry: /etc/runlevels/single/.keep acpid | default alsasound | boot bluetooth | bluetooth_pan | bootmisc | boot checkfs | boot checkroot | boot clock | boot coldplug | boot consolefont | boot cpufreqd | cpufrequtils | crypto-loop | cupsd | domainname | default famd | fancontrol | freepopsd | gpm | hdparm | default hibernate-cleanup | boot hostname | boot hotplug | default ip6tables | iptables | default irda | keymaps | boot lisa | lm_sensors | local | default nonetwork localmount | boot mDNSResponder | microcode_ctl | default modules | boot nessusd | net.eth0 | net.lo | boot net.ppp0 | netmount | default nifd | nscd | ntop | numlock | portmap | privoxy | psion | pwcheck | reslisa | rmnologin | boot rsyncd | saslauthd | serial | boot splash | sshd | syslog-ng | default tor | urandom | boot vixie-cron | default xdm | default xfs | === -- Regards, Mick -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Problems with locale - ANSI_X3.4-1968
On Friday 30 June 2006 21:17, Kristian Poul Herkild wrote: My locale is supposed to be da_DK.ut8 but is reported to be ANSI_X3.4-1968 The problems started after having updated to Gnome 2.14 and baselayout. Before that it worked fine. Anybody familiar with this problem with UTF8 and ANSI_X3.4-1968? What version of glibc are you using? Also please post the output of the following commands: locale -a locale grep -v '^$\|^#' /etc/locale.gen grep -v '^$\|^#' /etc/locales.build -- Bo Andresen pgpAACZXOzoOe.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: 2006 livecd (x86)
On 6/30/06, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel da Veiga danieldaveiga at gmail.com writes: I just booted one up and I cannot su to root. It wants a passwd and I tried the usual suspects... The default user (gentoo) can issue (sudo) root commands? Certainly the gentoo user does not have the paths set such as root's paths would be set. I definately need the default root passwd to set the ip address (ifconfig) for a temporary test. Have you tried sudo su? Or CTRL+F[1-6] and passwd because the consoles are logged in automatically... Yes it sudo su works fine. Are you using the 2006.0 and following the old guide? Because what you refer is for manual install, you don't get the X system in this type of install... I'm not trying to install a system, I'm using it for testing potential portables before purchase one. I'm following the guide directly off of www.gentoo.com Updated May 28, 2006. Is the default passwd the same for amd64 livecd? The password is scrambled for security reasons, you can change it... Hm, OK since I do (yet) have an amd64 system to test it on, I'm assuming the same 'sudo su' trick will work on a livecd for amd64? It's my first choice, as I go out and test portables. lspci is present, but 'lshw' is not. Is there a way to get lshw on usb memory device, so I can use to test out a new portable (no net connection)? Is there a way to include lshw on the installation CD? Any other suggestions for using a 2006 livecd for testing (potential) equipment? Get a LiveCD that is designed for testing... The Gentoo one is for Gentoo install. I've used specially made Knoppix CDs for testing/fixing. There are instructions on how to make your own Gentoo LiveCD at gentoo.org (you can add whatever you want this way). Got a url to the iso immage? And a little documentation? Note, the livecd is very easy (dirt simple) to test with. Just boot it up and go root. Knoppix is something I do not have any experience with, nor can I imagine it is easier to use than Gentoo livecd, which only missing lshw, which would be extremely useful for hardware discovery for both testing and installation; ymmv. Of coarse if your testing cds have the ability to setup lm_sensors so one can test the low_level busses on portables, that would be a keen advantage. Send me urls to the knoppix cds for testing of x86 and amd64 and I'll give those a whirl tonight while shopping. tia, Googling: gentoo build livecd Results: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=57754 http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_build_a_LiveCD_from_scratch http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_build_a_LiveCD (this should keep you busy for tonight ;) I don't send knoppix links because you can find them at their site, neither others cause you seem familiar with gentoo, so a livecd based on gentoo would be better for you. With those links, you can build a gentoo livecd with every tool you like (to the limit of CD-ROM space, or pendrive space, anyway). I'm pretty sure a better look at Wiki and the foruns would get you TONS of info besides what I got. -- Daniel da Veiga Computer Operator - RS - Brazil -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCM/IT/P/O d-? s:- a? C++$ UBLA++ P+ L++ E--- W+++$ N o+ K- w O M- V- PS PE Y PGP- t+ 5 X+++ R+* tv b+ DI+++ D+ G+ e h+ r+ y++ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New baselayout changed my rc-update?
There was a thread about his yesterday, check the archives. It seems that a new feature is the possibility to run the appropriate script upon device detection, you can, however, change this behavior: A little copy/paste from that thread. On 6/29/06, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:34:54 +0200, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote: After the recent baselayout update, I see these messages at boot time: What do you mean by recent? It greatly depends on whether you are running stable or testing, arch or ~arch. ... Device initiating service: net.eth0 ... ... * net.etho: cannot start until the runlevel boot has completed ... Adding 'RC_PLUG_SERVICES=!net.eth0' to /etc/conf.d/rc may fix this. Read the comments in the file for an explanation. # On 6/30/06, Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 01/07/06, Anielkis Herrera Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: try #rc-update show -v Thanks, the errors are still there: === # rc-update show -v * Invalid runlevel entry: /etc/runlevels/boot/.keep * Invalid runlevel entry: /etc/runlevels/default/.keep * Invalid runlevel entry: /etc/runlevels/nonetwork/.keep * Invalid runlevel entry: /etc/runlevels/single/.keep acpid | default alsasound | boot bluetooth | bluetooth_pan | bootmisc | boot checkfs | boot checkroot | boot clock | boot coldplug | boot consolefont | boot cpufreqd | cpufrequtils | crypto-loop | cupsd | domainname | default famd | fancontrol | freepopsd | gpm | hdparm | default hibernate-cleanup | boot hostname | boot hotplug | default ip6tables | iptables | default irda | keymaps | boot lisa | lm_sensors | local | default nonetwork localmount | boot mDNSResponder | microcode_ctl | default modules | boot nessusd | net.eth0 | net.lo | boot net.ppp0 | netmount | default nifd | nscd | ntop | numlock | portmap | privoxy | psion | pwcheck | reslisa | rmnologin | boot rsyncd | saslauthd | serial | boot splash | sshd | syslog-ng | default tor | urandom | boot vixie-cron | default xdm | default xfs | === -- Regards, Mick -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Daniel da Veiga Computer Operator - RS - Brazil -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCM/IT/P/O d-? s:- a? C++$ UBLA++ P+ L++ E--- W+++$ N o+ K- w O M- V- PS PE Y PGP- t+ 5 X+++ R+* tv b+ DI+++ D+ G+ e h+ r+ y++ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] USE flag
Jeremy Olexa wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ryan Tandy wrote: Jeremy Olexa wrote: without gtk support (aka ncurses) then I would re-emerge profuse WITHOUT Er... maybe I misunderstood something, but gtk and ncurses are two COMPLETELY different things. right. that is what I meant. if you didn't want a gtk interface you would end up using a ncurses interface ;) yes? Ah, my misinterpretation. I thought you meant that GTK == ncurses, rather than (!GTK) == ncurses. Sorry all for the wasted bandwidth. ;) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Should KDE programs be shown in Ubuntu Gnome menu?
Alexander Skwar wrote: Alexander Skwar schrieb: [ nothing again... ] Please excuse me once more... I'm still looking for that darn cancel feature for e-mails. Did anyone spot it yet? :) Alexander Skwar ... Set yourself up a local SMTP server. Patch the source to apply a delay of 5 minutes between the server being handed a message and actually sending it, and a hook to cancel a queued message. :) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
