[gentoo-user] Problems syncing.

[Dale]

Hi folks,

I run into this on occasion.  I have tried several things but when it
happens I can not sync for a couple days.  Here is what I get as far as
the error:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # emerge --sync
> >>> Starting rsync with rsync://64.62.252.147/gentoo-portage...
> >>> Checking server timestamp ...
> rsync: failed to connect to 64.62.252.147: Connection refused (111)
> rsync error: error in socket IO (code 10) at clientserver.c(104)
> [receiver=2.6.9]
> >>> Retrying...
>
>
> >>> Starting retry 1 of 3 with rsync://66.244.203.203/gentoo-portage
> >>> Checking server timestamp ...
>
>   Server Name:  rsync4.ca.gentoo.org AKA rsync.bluedevil.ca
>   IP Address:   66.244.203.203
>   Server Hardware:  Intel Pentium 4 2.8Ghz 1MB Cache, 1.5GB RAM
>   Setup:Rsync serving files from RAM drive
>   Connection:   10Mbit FD
>   User Limit:   20
>   Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
>   Contact:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   Provider: http://bluedevil.ca
>
> receiving file list ... done
> timestamp.chk
>
> Number of files: 1
> Number of files transferred: 1
> Total file size: 32 bytes
> Total transferred file size: 32 bytes
> Literal data: 32 bytes
> Matched data: 0 bytes
> File list size: 32
> File list generation time: 0.001 seconds
> File list transfer time: 0.000 seconds
> Total bytes sent: 203
> Total bytes received: 550
>
> sent 203 bytes  received 550 bytes  167.33 bytes/sec
> total size is 32  speedup is 0.04
>
>   Server Name:  rsync4.ca.gentoo.org AKA rsync.bluedevil.ca
>   IP Address:   66.244.203.203
>   Server Hardware:  Intel Pentium 4 2.8Ghz 1MB Cache, 1.5GB RAM
>   Setup:Rsync serving files from RAM drive
>   Connection:   10Mbit FD
>   User Limit:   20
>   Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
>   Contact:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   Provider: http://bluedevil.ca
>
> receiving file list ... done
> rsync error: timeout in data send/receive (code 30) at io.c(171)
> [sender=2.6.8]
> rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (3276671 bytes received so far)
> [receiver]
> rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at
> io.c(453) [receiver=2.6.9]
> rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (3276671 bytes received so far)
> [generator]
> rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at
> io.c(453) [generator=2.6.9]
> >>> Retrying...
>
>
> >>> Starting retry 2 of 3 with rsync://66.250.107.250/gentoo-portage
> >>> Checking server timestamp ...
> rsync: failed to connect to 66.250.107.250: Connection timed out (110)
> rsync error: error in socket IO (code 10) at clientserver.c(104)
> [receiver=2.6.9]
> >>> Retrying...
>
>
> >>> Starting retry 3 of 3 with rsync://141.219.155.230/gentoo-portage
> >>> Checking server timestamp ...
> rsync: failed to connect to 141.219.155.230: Connection refused (111)
> rsync error: error in socket IO (code 10) at clientserver.c(104)
> [receiver=2.6.9]
>
> !!! Rsync has not successfully finished. It is recommended that you keep
> !!! trying or that you use the 'emerge-webrsync' option if you are unable
> !!! to use rsync due to firewall or other restrictions. This should be a
> !!! temporary problem unless complications exist with your network
> !!! (and possibly your system's filesystem) configuration.
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] / #

I have managed to correct this a time or two by changing this in
make.globals:

> PORTAGE_RSYNC_OPTS="--recursive --links --safe-links --perms --times
> --compress --force --whole-file --delete --delete-after --stats
> --timeout=400 --exclude='/distfiles' --exclude='/local'
> --exclude='/packages'"

If you look at a default one the timeout is lower.  Most of the time
this works.  I think the problem is this, I have a really slow dial-up
connection.  I used to be on a cable connection and I never had this
problem, not even once.  It seems that it takes so long to download the
data that the server gets tired of my slow connection and just cuts me
off.  Also note, that first server is one of the ones that works.  I'm
sort of confused as to why it failed this time.

Here is a emerge info just in case:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # emerge --info
> Portage 2.1.1-r2 (default-linux/x86/2006.1/desktop, gcc-4.1.1,
> glibc-2.4-r4, 2.6.17-gentoo-r7 i686)
> =
> System uname: 2.6.17-gentoo-r7 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2500+
> Gentoo Base System version 1.12.6
> Last Sync: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 05:20:01 +
> ccache version 2.3 [enabled]
> app-admin/eselect-compiler: [Not Present]
> dev-java/java-config: 1.3.7, 2.0.30
> dev-lang/python: 2.4.3-r4
> dev-python/pycrypto: 2.0.1-r5
> dev-util/ccache: 2.3
> dev-util/confcache:  [Not Present]
> sys-apps/sandbox:1.2.17
> sys-devel/autoconf:  2.13, 2.60
> sys-devel/automake:  1.4_p6, 1.5, 1.6.3, 1.7.9-r1, 1.8.5-r3, 1.9.6-r2
> sys-devel/binutils:  2.16.1-r3
> sys-devel/gcc-config: 1.3.

Re: [gentoo-user] Gnome Power Manager Message (a little OT)

[Norman Rieß]

Allan Gottlieb schrieb:

At Thu, 14 Dec 2006 22:49:14 +0100 Norman Rieß <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  

Guys guess what. As i have updated my Gnome to 2.16 now, the new
shiny Power Manager tells me, that my laptop runs on battery after i
pull the plug...
Can you believe that?? If i pull the plug on my computer... it runs on
battery. incredible!! And it tells me EVERY time i pull the plug,
that i pulled the plug! I can not imagine what i would have done
without that information... i might have forgotten it one time, when i
pull the plug, that i pulled the plug.



Assuming this is the one on the panel, right click on the icon and
then left click on remove.

allan

  
No it´s not. It is the one, that if you delete it from the autostart in 
the sessionmanager, it writes itself back in it, so it starts again.
What you mean is the old power-status-icon. Now there is a power manager 
integrated in gnome.

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Re: [gentoo-user] latest emerge world recked gnome

[Bo Ørsted Andresen]

On Friday 15 December 2006 04:47, Morris Walton wrote:
> jade: error while loading shared libraries: libosp.so.4: cannot open shared

# emerge --oneshot openjade

http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62789

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Re: [gentoo-user] Memory Usage

[David Relson]

On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 19:08:35 -0600
Dale wrote:

> Grant wrote:
> >
> > My server is mainly used for apache2 with mod_perl.  I would think
> > that cache comes in handy.  Will a web server pretty much always
> > find something more to cache, or can you add memory to the point
> > where everything that can be cached is cached?
> >
> > - Grant
> 
> I have read a few articles on how Linux manages memory.  The thing I
> get from it is this, Linux likes to have data in memory first, then
> it uses swap because it is more "organized".  The last place it wants
> data is on the hard drive.  It is all about speed of access.  Linux
> likes to be really fast.
> 
> I guess if you have 16GBs of ram and it only access say 10GBs of data,
> then it will eventually have everything in memory and not access the
> drive much at all.  Same can be said for memory plus swap except that
> swap is on the drive of course.
> 
> I will say this, I have 1GB of ram on mine.  I run a full install of
> KDE and I have had 100 or more pictures open with Gimp and have never
> ran out of memory.  The most swap I have ever used is about 200MBs
> and that is with it set to use a lot of swap.  I think it was set at
> 80 or so. With Linux, 1GB is a lot of ram.  The only exception being
> some heavy games or video stuff.

Gaming and video aren't the only reasons to need lots of memory.  I
upgraded my workstation from 512MB to 1GB so I could run BackupPC.
Since BackupPC uses rsync to copy files from the internal HD to an
external HD and since the machine has approx 3,000,000 files a lot of
ram is used :->  The additional ram is also useful for vmware.

Just my $.02

David

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Re: [gentoo-user] latest emerge world recked gnome

[Randy Barlow]

On Thursday 14 December 2006 22:47, Morris Walton wrote:
> /usr/lib64/libgtkhtml-3.8.so: undefined reference to
> `gail_text_util_buffer_setup'
> /usr/lib64/libgtkhtml-3.8.so: undefined reference to
> `gail_text_util_text_setup'
> /usr/lib64/libgtkhtml-3.8.so: undefined reference to `gail_text_util_new'
> /usr/lib64/libgtkhtml-3.8.so: undefined reference to
> `gail_misc_add_attribute'
> /usr/lib64/libgtkhtml- 3.8.so: undefined reference to
> `gail_text_util_get_text'

These undefined references smell like you need to run revdep-rebuild (emerge 
gentoolkit to get it!)  HTH!

Randy
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[gentoo-user] clamd / amavisd email virus scanning problem

[Shawn Haggett]

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Hi

I've got amavisd setup with postfix for spam/virus filtering. However
I'm noticing in my logs an error:

Dec 15 14:20:27 [amavis] (28224-17) ClamAV-clamd: Can't send to socket
/var/amavis/clamd: Transport endpoint is not connected, retrying (1)

Now I've checked with ps, and clamd is defiantly running. It is
configured to put it's socket in /var/amavis/clamd and I can see it
there. I can start/stop clamd and the socket will appear and disappear.
Amavis is configured with exactly the same path, but obviously can't
seem to connect to clamd. All email still gets passed through the system
however.

Anyone have any ideas what could be causing this?

The relevant section from /etc/amavisd.conf:

# ### http://www.clamav.net/
['ClamAV-clamd',
  \&ask_daemon, ["CONTSCAN {}\n", "/var/amavis/clamd"],
  qr/\bOK$/, qr/\bFOUND$/,
  qr/^.*?: (?!Infected Archive)(.*) FOUND$/ ],

If you would like to see more of my config files, let me know.

Thanks Shawn
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[gentoo-user] latest emerge world recked gnome

[Morris Walton]

Hi,

I've only been using gentoo since the summer, so please bear with me.  I
recently emerge --sync, and discovered I had more than 100 packages to
update "the world".  I haven't been able to get through the emerge:

at least one of the packages, libusb, fails with this:

jade -t sgml -d ./website.dsl\#html ./manual.sgml
jade: error while loading shared libraries: libosp.so.4: cannot open shared
object file: No such file or directory
make[2]: *** [html/index.html] Error 127
make[2]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/libusb-0.1.11/work/libusb-
0.1.11/doc'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/libusb- 0.1.11/work/libusb-
0.1.11'
make: *** [all] Error 2

!!! ERROR: dev-libs/libusb-0.1.11 failed.
Call stack:
 ebuild.sh, line 1546:   Called dyn_compile
 ebuild.sh, line 937:   Called src_compile
 libusb-0.1.11.ebuild , line 35:   Called die

!!! emake failed
!!! If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack if
relevant.


It seemed that gnome built ok, however, afterward i couldn't get evolution
to start...then, i noticed that i couldn't build evolution:
/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/3.4.6/../../../../x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld:
warning: libgailutil.so.17, needed by /usr/lib64/libgtkhtml-3.8.so, not
found (try using -rpath or -rpath-link)
/usr/lib64/libgtkhtml-3.8.so: undefined reference to
`gail_text_util_buffer_setup'
/usr/lib64/libgtkhtml-3.8.so: undefined reference to
`gail_text_util_text_setup'
/usr/lib64/libgtkhtml-3.8.so: undefined reference to `gail_text_util_new'
/usr/lib64/libgtkhtml-3.8.so: undefined reference to
`gail_misc_add_attribute'
/usr/lib64/libgtkhtml- 3.8.so: undefined reference to
`gail_text_util_get_text'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[3]: *** [evolution] Error 1
rm apps_evolution_shell-2.8.schemas.in
make[3]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/evolution-
2.8.2.1/work/evolution-2.8.2.1/shell'
make[2]: *** [all] Error 2
rm GNOME_Evolution_Shell.server.in
make[2]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/evolution-
2.8.2.1/work/evolution-2.8.2.1/shell'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/evolution-
2.8.2.1/work/evolution-2.8.2.1'
make: *** [all] Error 2

!!! ERROR: mail-client/evolution-2.8.2.1 failed.
Call stack:
 ebuild.sh , line 1546:   Called dyn_compile
 ebuild.sh, line 937:   Called src_compile
 evolution-2.8.2.1.ebuild, line 189:   Called gnome2_src_compile
 gnome2.eclass, line 71:   Called die

!!! compile failure
!!! If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack if
relevant.


Thirdly, when I restart gnome, i see that i get an error popup:

There was an error starting the GNOME Settings Daemon.

Some things, such as themes, sounds, or background settings may not work
correctly.

The last error message was:

Process /usr/libexec/gnome-settings-daemon exited with status 127

GNOME will still try to restart the Settings Daemon next time you log in.


I got problems!  Please let me know if I am hitting the right forum or where
I can do better research to run this down.

Thanks,

morris

Re: [gentoo-user] Memory Usage

[Dale]

Grant wrote:
>
> The thing is, it's memory in a hosted machine and I think I'm paying
> like $35/month for the extra gigabyte.  I should probably do some
> testing or just have them remove the memory for a month and see how I
> like it.
>
> - Grant

That does change things.  In my opinion, I would do like you are
planning and try it for a month or so and see how it does.

Dale

:-)  :-)  :-)
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Re: [gentoo-user] Memory Usage

[Grant]

> My server is mainly used for apache2 with mod_perl.  I would think
> that cache comes in handy.  Will a web server pretty much always find
> something more to cache, or can you add memory to the point where
> everything that can be cached is cached?
>
> - Grant

I have read a few articles on how Linux manages memory.  The thing I get
from it is this, Linux likes to have data in memory first, then it uses
swap because it is more "organized".  The last place it wants data is on
the hard drive.  It is all about speed of access.  Linux likes to be
really fast.

I guess if you have 16GBs of ram and it only access say 10GBs of data,
then it will eventually have everything in memory and not access the
drive much at all.  Same can be said for memory plus swap except that
swap is on the drive of course.

I will say this, I have 1GB of ram on mine.  I run a full install of KDE
and I have had 100 or more pictures open with Gimp and have never ran
out of memory.  The most swap I have ever used is about 200MBs and that
is with it set to use a lot of swap.  I think it was set at 80 or so.
With Linux, 1GB is a lot of ram.  The only exception being some heavy
games or video stuff.

If you have it, I would leave it unless you know you need it somewhere
else.  That's just my opinion and is subject to change.


The thing is, it's memory in a hosted machine and I think I'm paying
like $35/month for the extra gigabyte.  I should probably do some
testing or just have them remove the memory for a month and see how I
like it.

- Grant
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Re: [gentoo-user] Memory Usage

[Dale]

Grant wrote:
>> > The "Swap: 24k" then remains.  Is that normal?
>>
>> If the question is whether it is normal that the swap space is not freed
>> even when it's not being used anymore, the answer would be "yes".
>
> I'm wondering if it's normal for the system to use a small amount of
> swap before it frees memory for the first time.
>
> - Grant

It has on every machine I have regardless of how much memory it has or
uses.  It may take a little bit and it may be just a 1MB or so but it
always seems to use a little.

This is my report with uptime included:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # uptime
>  19:14:04 up 2 days, 23:13,  1 user,  load average: 1.45, 1.35, 1.24
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # free
>  total   used   free sharedbuffers cached
> Mem:   1034792 886964 147828  0 266296 203008
> -/+ buffers/cache: 417660 617132
> Swap:   976712 32 976680
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] / #

I think it is using 32KBs.  It's not much but it is using a little bit. 
Thing is, I still have a 147MBs of memory that is not in use at all.  Go
figure.

Dale

:-)  :-)  :-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Memory Usage

[Dale]

Grant wrote:
>
> My server is mainly used for apache2 with mod_perl.  I would think
> that cache comes in handy.  Will a web server pretty much always find
> something more to cache, or can you add memory to the point where
> everything that can be cached is cached?
>
> - Grant

I have read a few articles on how Linux manages memory.  The thing I get
from it is this, Linux likes to have data in memory first, then it uses
swap because it is more "organized".  The last place it wants data is on
the hard drive.  It is all about speed of access.  Linux likes to be
really fast.

I guess if you have 16GBs of ram and it only access say 10GBs of data,
then it will eventually have everything in memory and not access the
drive much at all.  Same can be said for memory plus swap except that
swap is on the drive of course.

I will say this, I have 1GB of ram on mine.  I run a full install of KDE
and I have had 100 or more pictures open with Gimp and have never ran
out of memory.  The most swap I have ever used is about 200MBs and that
is with it set to use a lot of swap.  I think it was set at 80 or so. 
With Linux, 1GB is a lot of ram.  The only exception being some heavy
games or video stuff.

If you have it, I would leave it unless you know you need it somewhere
else.  That's just my opinion and is subject to change.

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] bluetooth service starts without asking!

[Iain Buchanan]

On Fri, 2006-12-15 at 00:39 +, Bruno Santos wrote:
> Iain Buchanan wrote: 
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > I have an internal bluetooth (usb-based) "thing" which I use with linux.
> > It also works with vmware, but only when the hci-usb module is unloaded
> > from linux first.
> > 
> > The problem is, I have to disable wireless (with the hotkey) on my
> > laptop to unload the module, but when I re-enable wireless, the
> > bluetooth init.d service starts automatically, and reloads the module!
> > 
> > Why is the service starting automatically?  I don't have it in any
> > runlevels.  I have RC_HOTPLUG="no" in /etc/conf.d/rc so I thought this
> > shouldn't happen?


> Hi.
> Every init.d script has a section  on which on can put what services
> that script depends on.
> That section is called, depend().
> check your wireless init.d script and see if it has bluetooth has a
> dependency and try to remove it.

when I say I disable wireless, I mean that I press Fn-F2, not the
wireless init script.  The wireless init script is off all the time.
This seems to be about hotplug (?) or something calling the bluetooth
init script...

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Re: [gentoo-user] freeradius eap tls issue

[Yiannis Kontekakis]

In order to close this issue,
the freeradius rlm_eap issue was fixed in net-dialup/freeradius-1.1.3-r2
thanks to mr Nastac (http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158062)

Regards

Yiannis

Yiannis Kontekakis wrote:
> Hello again,
>
> dev-libs/openssl-0.9.8d is currently installed on my system.Also, there
> is no libcrypto.so.* library other than /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.8.
> >From my emerge.log I found out that I upgraded from
> dev-libs/openssl-0.9.7e-r1 to the current one(see above). I do not
> remember whether I run revdep-rebuild --library libssl.so.0.9.7 and
> revdep-rebuild --library libcrypto.so.0.9.7 after upgrading (but I did
> run it now and found no package using this library), so I checked with #
> ldd /usr/lib/libeap-1.1.3.so and obtained:
>
> libradius-1.1.3.so => /usr/lib/libradius-1.1.3.so
> libnsl.so.1 => /lib/libnsl.so.1
> libresolv.so.2 => /lib/libresolv.so.2
> libpthread.so.0 => /lib/libpthread.so.0
> libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6
> libcrypt.so.1 => /lib/libcrypt.so.1
> /lib/ld-linux.so.2
>
> I suppose there should also be /usr/lib/libssl.so.0.9.8 on the above
> list but there is not.I am not sure whether it is a bug in freeradius
> ebuild and whether I should enter a bug report for it. Does any one have
> this implementation working ?
> Any other ideas ?
>
> Regards
>
> Yiannis
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[gentoo-user] Chroot to new environment complains about kernel

[Bertram Scharpf]

Hi,

I try to chroot to a brand new environment, freshly unpacked
from stage 3:

  kyle # chroot /mnt/hdb/ /bin/bash
  FATAL: kernel too old
  kyle # uname -a
  Linux kyle 2.6.8-3-686 #1 Tue Dec 5 21:26:38 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux

After that, I unpacked stage 1. The boostrap worked fine until
during compilation of glibc a command ".././scripts/mkinstalldirs"
stoped with (yes!): "FATAL: kernel too old".

An strace of the chroot command ends with the uname function
call yielding the above results and returning 0. Then, the
message is output and exit is called.

Google did not give me any hints.

Thanks in advance for any hints.

Bertram


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Re: [gentoo-user] bluetooth service starts without asking!

[Bruno Santos]

Iain Buchanan wrote:

  Hi all,

I have an internal bluetooth (usb-based) "thing" which I use with linux.
It also works with vmware, but only when the hci-usb module is unloaded
from linux first.

The problem is, I have to disable wireless (with the hotkey) on my
laptop to unload the module, but when I re-enable wireless, the
bluetooth init.d service starts automatically, and reloads the module!

Why is the service starting automatically?  I don't have it in any
runlevels.  I have RC_HOTPLUG="no" in /etc/conf.d/rc so I thought this
shouldn't happen?

The only way around it is to disable wireless, then
rename /etc/init.d/bluetooth before enabling the wireless again...

Any thoughts on fixing this?

thanks,
  

Hi.
Every init.d script has a section  on which on can put what services
that script depends on.
That section is called, depend().
check your wireless init.d script and see if it has bluetooth has a
dependency and try to remove it.
i dont know if it will work, but you can try  :-) 

this is an example for alsasound:

depend() {
    need bootmisc localmount
    after modules isapnp coldplug hotplug
}

Cheers,

Bruno

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[gentoo-user] bluetooth service starts without asking!

[Iain Buchanan]

Hi all,

I have an internal bluetooth (usb-based) "thing" which I use with linux.
It also works with vmware, but only when the hci-usb module is unloaded
from linux first.

The problem is, I have to disable wireless (with the hotkey) on my
laptop to unload the module, but when I re-enable wireless, the
bluetooth init.d service starts automatically, and reloads the module!

Why is the service starting automatically?  I don't have it in any
runlevels.  I have RC_HOTPLUG="no" in /etc/conf.d/rc so I thought this
shouldn't happen?

The only way around it is to disable wireless, then
rename /etc/init.d/bluetooth before enabling the wireless again...

Any thoughts on fixing this?

thanks,
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argument.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Gnome Power Manager Message (a little OT)

[Allan Gottlieb]

At Thu, 14 Dec 2006 22:49:14 +0100 Norman Rieß <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Guys guess what. As i have updated my Gnome to 2.16 now, the new
> shiny Power Manager tells me, that my laptop runs on battery after i
> pull the plug...
> Can you believe that?? If i pull the plug on my computer... it runs on
> battery. incredible!! And it tells me EVERY time i pull the plug,
> that i pulled the plug! I can not imagine what i would have done
> without that information... i might have forgotten it one time, when i
> pull the plug, that i pulled the plug.

Assuming this is the one on the panel, right click on the icon and
then left click on remove.

allan

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Re: [gentoo-user] Memory Usage

[Grant]

> The "Swap: 24k" then remains.  Is that normal?

If the question is whether it is normal that the swap space is not freed
even when it's not being used anymore, the answer would be "yes".


I'm wondering if it's normal for the system to use a small amount of
swap before it frees memory for the first time.

- Grant
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Re: [gentoo-user] Memory Usage

[Pablo Antonio]

On 09:48 Thu 14 Dec , Grant wrote:
[snip]
> The "Swap: 24k" then remains.  Is that normal?

If the question is whether it is normal that the swap space is not freed
even when it's not being used anymore, the answer would be "yes".

Writing to disk is too expensive, so I think the kernel does free the swap
space only when it really needs that space. Someone correct me if I'm
wrong though.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Setting the priority of the compiler

[Roman Naumann]

On Friday 08 December 2006 16:14, Dale wrote:

> Refer 'man 5 make.conf'
>
> alan

##

> That has worked for me for a long time now.  KDE and most everything
> else is set to 0 anyway.  Folding is the only thing with a lower priority.
>
> Give that a try.
>
> Dale

##

Thanks a lot! This should work, but I will try it out by this weekend in 
detail. :D
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Re: [gentoo-user] Memory Usage

[Grant]

>> > From what I understand, Linux memory isn't freed up until it is full.
>> > Is there a way to find out how much memory is actively in use?
>>
>> The free command.
>>
>> $ free
>>  total   used   free sharedbuffers
>> cached
>> Mem:   1028164 928764  99400  0  28228
>> 468768
>> -/+ buffers/cache: 431768 596396
>> Swap:  1556168 2104761345692
>
> That looks like the exact same info top gives me.  I have 2GB in my
> server and I'm trying to figure out if I could get away with 1GB
> without swapping.  Is there a tool that can help me figure that out?
>
> - Grant

Well here is my free:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # free
>  total   used   free sharedbuffers cached
> Mem:   1034792 977788  57004  0 243928 169800
> -/+ buffers/cache: 564060 470732
> Swap:   976712 32 976680
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] / #

If you drop to 1GB what you will loose is space for buffers and cached
data.  It may be a small amount of slow down but depending on what your
server is used for, it may make a difference.


My server is mainly used for apache2 with mod_perl.  I would think
that cache comes in handy.  Will a web server pretty much always find
something more to cache, or can you add memory to the point where
everything that can be cached is cached?

- Grant
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[gentoo-user] Gnome Power Manager Message (a little OT)

[Norman Rieß]

Guys guess what. As i have updated my Gnome to 2.16 now, the new 
shiny Power Manager tells me, that my laptop runs on battery after i 
pull the plug...
Can you believe that?? If i pull the plug on my computer... it runs on 
battery. incredible!! And it tells me EVERY time i pull the plug, 
that i pulled the plug! I can not imagine what i would have done without 
that information... i might have forgotten it one time, when i pull the 
plug, that i pulled the plug.




Ok serious... how can i switch this insane little window off, that does 
tell me, what i allready know and intended to do.


Thanks

Norman
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RE: [gentoo-user] Protecting a package in package.keywords?

[Jason Ausmus]

> -Original Message-
> From: Neil Bothwick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 4:46 PM
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Protecting a package in package.keywords?
> 
> On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 15:55:52 -0800, Jason Ausmus wrote:
> 
> > > the latest ivtv branch (irregardless of whether its marked
> > > stable). 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Sorry, but "irregardless" != English word
> > 
> > I'm not trying to deputize myself as a grammar police 
> officer, but I'm 
> > powerless to resist this one...
> 
> Try harder - irregardless is in the Oxford English 
> Dictionary. it's listed as an Americanism, a blend of 
> irrespective and regardless.
> 
> You may not consider it good English (and neither do I) but 
> it is an English word.
> 
> 
> --
> Neil Bothwick
> 
> Borg, James Borg. Vodka martini, Gin is irrelevant.
> 

I stand corrected and disembadged. ;)  Sorry about that...

>From http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/irregardless :

"Usage Note: Irregardless is a word that many mistakenly believe to be
correct usage in formal style, when in fact it is used chiefly in
nonstandard speech or casual writing. Coined in the United States in the
early 20th century, it has met with a blizzard of condemnation for being
an improper yoking of irrespective and regardless and for the logical
absurdity of combining the negative ir- prefix and -less suffix in a
single term. Although one might reasonably argue that it is no different
from words with redundant affixes like debone and unravel, it has been
considered a blunder for decades and will probably continue to be so. "

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Re: [gentoo-user] Memory Usage

[Daniel Iliev]

Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:49:34 -0800, Grant wrote:
>
>   
>>> $ free
>>>  total   used   free sharedbuffers
>>> cached Mem:   1028164 928764  99400  0
>>> 28228 468768 -/+ buffers/cache: 431768 596396
>>> Swap:  1556168 2104761345692  
>>>   
>> That looks like the exact same info top gives me.  I have 2GB in my
>> server and I'm trying to figure out if I could get away with 1GB
>> without swapping.  Is there a tool that can help me figure that out?
>> 
>
> The second line shows the usage without caches/buffers. If you want to
> see what your system would be like with 1G, use the mem=1024 option on
> the kernel line in GRUB. Run the system for a while and monitor swap
> usage.
>
>
>   

The last time I tried mem=xxx it didn't work. It was several years ago
on a vanilla kernel 2.6.x. I'm not sure if this kernel parameter is
valid anymore. So here is an additional idea for wasting 1GB of RAM:
create a 1G file in /dev/shm/ ;-)

Anyway to control the swapping one could use the sysctl utility
providing a value between 0 and 100 in /etc/sysctl.conf for
"vm.swappiness". 0 means "almost no swapping" 100 means "swap almost
everything". To disable swapping at all, of course there is "swapoff -a" ;-)

HTH

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[gentoo-user] Re: emerge cinelerra-cvs fails with itnernal compiler error

[Grant Edwards]

On 2006-12-14, Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm trying to emerge cinelerra-cvs, but the compile fails with
> an internal compiler error.  Anybody have any idea what the fix
> might be?

It seems to build OK with gcc-4.1.1, but not with gcc-3.4.6
(which generated the error below).

> --
>  i686-pc-linux-gnu-g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I../quicktime 
> -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -O2 
> -march=pentium-m -pipe -MT bcpan.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/bcpan.Tpo -c bcpan.C  
> -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/bcpan.o
> if /bin/sh ../libtool --tag=CXX --mode=compile i686-pc-linux-gnu-g++ 
> -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I../quicktime   -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE 
> -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64  -O2 -march=pentium-m -pipe -MT 
> bcpbuffer.lo -MD -MP -MF ".deps/bcpbuffer.Tpo" \
>   -c -o bcpbuffer.lo `test -f 'bcpbuffer.C' || echo './'`bcpbuffer.C; 
> \
> then mv -f ".deps/bcpbuffer.Tpo" ".deps/bcpbuffer.Plo"; \
> else rm -f ".deps/bcpbuffer.Tpo"; exit 1; \
> fi
> bcpan.C: In static member function `static int 
> BC_Pan::stick_to_values(float*, int, int*, int, int, int, float)':
> bcpan.C:437: error: unrecognizable insn:
> (insn 480 479 466 4 (set (reg:V4SF 21 xmm0 [85])
> (and:V4SF (not:V4SF (mem:SF (plus:SI (reg/f:SI 6 bp)
> (const_int -16 [0xfff0])) [91 shortest+0 S4 A8]))
> (reg:V4SF 22 xmm1))) -1 (nil)
> (nil))
> bcpan.C:437: internal compiler error: in extract_insn, at recog.c:2083


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Re: [gentoo-user] should my computer really be able to speak russian?

[Dale]

Ryan Sims wrote:
> On 12/13/06, *Dale* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
>
> Ryan Sims wrote:
>> I noticed while updating to Gnome 2.16 today that gnome2-user-docs
>> took a long time (38 min +), and most of that time was spend on
>> versions of the documents in languages I don't speak.  After
>> trying a
>> few things, I found that disabling the nls use flag in scrollkeeper
>> reduced the gnome2-user-docs compile down to under a minute.
>>
>> It got me thinking...I speak only English, my fiancee speaks English
>> (well, and some French, but she doesn't need our computer to), so I
>> thought, hm, is nls support needed *anywhere?*
>> So I disabled the use flag globally to test, and discovered probably
>> 30 packages that want to be rebuilt, from glibc to vim to
>> coreutils to
>> audacious.
>>
>> If I only need a monoglot computer, would I break anything by
>> disabling nls support?
>>
> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/guide-localization.xml
>
> This is the part that matters:
>
>> There is also additional localisation variable called LINGUAS,
>> which affects to localisation files that get installed in
>> gettext-based programs, and decides used localisation for some
>> specific software packages, such as kde-base/kde-i18n and
>> app-office/openoffice. The variable takes in space-separated list
>> of language codes, and suggested place to set it is /etc/make.conf:
>>
>> Code Listing 3.5: Setting LINGUAS in make.conf
>>
>> # nano -w /etc/make.conf
>> (Add in the LINGUAS variable. For instance, 
>> for German, Finnish and English:)
>> LINGUAS="de fi en"
>> 
>>
>
> I think that will help you.  I have -nls in mine too.  So both
> should not hurt anything.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
>
> Thanks.  I do have my LINGUAS variable set to "en," but as I
> understand it[1], the LINGUAS variable is expanded to use flags, so
> ebuilds that don't use those flags wont respect LINGUAS, is that correct?
>
> [1]http://devmanual.gentoo.org/general-concepts/linguas/index.html
>
> -- 
> Ryan W Sims 

Well, I put -nls  in USE line and LINGUAS="en" in my make.conf and it
has worked fine so far.  Everything is in English at least.  Some things
do seem to compile faster too.  I did have one package that had a bug
but it was fixed when I added the -nls.  From what I was told, if you
want English only, this is the way to do it.

I'm not really sure how the two interact with each other.  I would
assume English is the default language.  You add variables to get
something other than English.

Hope that helps, a little, since I'm not real sure either.

Dale

:-)  :-)  :-)

[gentoo-user] emerge cinelerra-cvs fails with itnernal compiler error

[Grant Edwards]

I'm trying to emerge cinelerra-cvs, but the compile fails with
an internal compiler error.  Anybody have any idea what the fix
might be?

--
 i686-pc-linux-gnu-g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I../quicktime 
-D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -O2 
-march=pentium-m -pipe -MT bcpan.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/bcpan.Tpo -c bcpan.C  
-fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/bcpan.o
if /bin/sh ../libtool --tag=CXX --mode=compile i686-pc-linux-gnu-g++ 
-DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I../quicktime   -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE 
-D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64  -O2 -march=pentium-m -pipe -MT 
bcpbuffer.lo -MD -MP -MF ".deps/bcpbuffer.Tpo" \
  -c -o bcpbuffer.lo `test -f 'bcpbuffer.C' || echo './'`bcpbuffer.C; \
then mv -f ".deps/bcpbuffer.Tpo" ".deps/bcpbuffer.Plo"; \
else rm -f ".deps/bcpbuffer.Tpo"; exit 1; \
fi
bcpan.C: In static member function `static int BC_Pan::stick_to_values(float*, 
int, int*, int, int, int, float)':
bcpan.C:437: error: unrecognizable insn:
(insn 480 479 466 4 (set (reg:V4SF 21 xmm0 [85])
(and:V4SF (not:V4SF (mem:SF (plus:SI (reg/f:SI 6 bp)
(const_int -16 [0xfff0])) [91 shortest+0 S4 A8]))
(reg:V4SF 22 xmm1))) -1 (nil)
(nil))
bcpan.C:437: internal compiler error: in extract_insn, at recog.c:2083
Please submit a full bug report,
with preprocessed source if appropriate.
See http://bugs.gentoo.org/> for instructions.
Preprocessed source stored into 
/var/tmp/portage/cinelerra-cvs-20061020/temp/ccjezPDg.out file, please attach 
this to your bugreport.
make[2]: *** [bcpan.lo] Error 1
make[2]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs
 i686-pc-linux-gnu-g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I../quicktime 
-D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -O2 
-march=pentium-m -pipe -MT bcpbuffer.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/bcpbuffer.Tpo -c 
bcpbuffer.C  -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/bcpbuffer.o
make[2]: Leaving directory 
`/var/tmp/portage/cinelerra-cvs-20061020/work/cinelerra-cvs-20061020/guicast'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory 
`/var/tmp/portage/cinelerra-cvs-20061020/work/cinelerra-cvs-20061020'
make: *** [all] Error 2

!!! ERROR: media-video/cinelerra-cvs-20061020 failed.
Call stack:
  ebuild.sh, line 1546:   Called dyn_compile
  ebuild.sh, line 937:   Called src_compile
  cinelerra-cvs-20061020.ebuild, line 74:   Called die

!!! make failed
!!! If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack if 
relevant.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Memory Usage

[Neil Bothwick]

On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:49:34 -0800, Grant wrote:

> > $ free
> >  total   used   free sharedbuffers
> > cached Mem:   1028164 928764  99400  0
> > 28228 468768 -/+ buffers/cache: 431768 596396
> > Swap:  1556168 2104761345692  
> 
> That looks like the exact same info top gives me.  I have 2GB in my
> server and I'm trying to figure out if I could get away with 1GB
> without swapping.  Is there a tool that can help me figure that out?

The second line shows the usage without caches/buffers. If you want to
see what your system would be like with 1G, use the mem=1024 option on
the kernel line in GRUB. Run the system for a while and monitor swap
usage.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Memory Usage

[Dale]

Grant wrote:
>> > From what I understand, Linux memory isn't freed up until it is full.
>> > Is there a way to find out how much memory is actively in use?
>>
>> The free command.
>>
>> $ free
>>  total   used   free sharedbuffers
>> cached
>> Mem:   1028164 928764  99400  0  28228
>> 468768
>> -/+ buffers/cache: 431768 596396
>> Swap:  1556168 2104761345692
>
> That looks like the exact same info top gives me.  I have 2GB in my
> server and I'm trying to figure out if I could get away with 1GB
> without swapping.  Is there a tool that can help me figure that out?
>
> - Grant

Well here is my free:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # free
>  total   used   free sharedbuffers cached
> Mem:   1034792 977788  57004  0 243928 169800
> -/+ buffers/cache: 564060 470732
> Swap:   976712 32 976680
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] / #

If you drop to 1GB what you will loose is space for buffers and cached
data.  It may be a small amount of slow down but depending on what your
server is used for, it may make a difference.

Computing memory seems to depend on the program being used.  Gkrellm in
my opinion does it pretty good and accurate.  Who knows which one is
really accurate though.  If all you have is a console, I would use top
and take the amount of memory in use then deduct the buffers and cache. 
It may not be perfect though.  Someone correct me if I am wrong here.

Hope that helps.

Dale
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Re: [gentoo-user] No update-eix-remote

[Ryan Tandy]

Neil Bothwick wrote:

It's in man portage

Format:
- comments begin with #
- one DEPEND atom per line followed by additional KEYWORDS
- lines without any KEYWORDS imply unstable host arch


Thanks for the clarification.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Something's killing my xfce panel/decorations

[Ralf Stephan]

Steve wrote 
> Ralf Stephan wrote:
> >Hello,
> >I have a stable (+unstable gtk) i86/xorg soundless installation 
> >with a bare bones xfce4 desktop. My only problem is that, after
> >one two weeks, the xfce-panel disappears and newly started apps
> >are missing the window decorations. They keep missing, even if
> >I restart the panel manually. So I have to restart X which is a
> >PITA. Have you seen this? Do you have a recommendation?
> >
> 
> Upgrading GTK and or its libs sometimes introduce small quirks into XFCE, 
> I've noticed.  Generally, I just re-emerge all the XFCE packages and I'm 
> good to go.

Excellent idea. Many thanks!


Regards,
ralf

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Re: [gentoo-user] Memory Usage

[Grant]

> From what I understand, Linux memory isn't freed up until it is full.
> Is there a way to find out how much memory is actively in use?

The free command.

$ free
 total   used   free sharedbuffers cached
Mem:   1028164 928764  99400  0  28228 468768
-/+ buffers/cache: 431768 596396
Swap:  1556168 2104761345692


That looks like the exact same info top gives me.  I have 2GB in my
server and I'm trying to figure out if I could get away with 1GB
without swapping.  Is there a tool that can help me figure that out?

- Grant
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Re: [gentoo-user] Memory Usage

[Neil Bothwick]

On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 09:48:25 -0800, Grant wrote:

> From what I understand, Linux memory isn't freed up until it is full.
> Is there a way to find out how much memory is actively in use?

The free command.

$ free
 total   used   free sharedbuffers cached
Mem:   1028164 928764  99400  0  28228 468768
-/+ buffers/cache: 431768 596396
Swap:  1556168 2104761345692


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Re: [gentoo-user] turning off irrelevant mplayer errorFIXED?

[Neil Bothwick]

On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 19:10:55 +0200, Uwe Thiem wrote:

> > > BUT, I'll only start using info on the day someone can explain to me
> > > how to use it causing my intestines to leap out of my throat and
> > > strangling me in protest (apologies to Douglas Adams...)  
> >
> > Read it in Konqueror :)  
> 
> Neill is right here. Though it's much easier in KDE help.

I can't get info pages in KDE help. If I type in the name of a command
that has both info and man pages, it only finds the man page. That's
displayed exactly the same as in Konqueror.


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Re: [gentoo-user] turning off irrelevant mplayer errorFIXED?

[Uwe Thiem]

On 14 December 2006 18:51, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:41:02 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > BUT, I'll only start using info on the day someone can explain to me
> > how to use it causing my intestines to leap out of my throat and
> > strangling me in protest (apologies to Douglas Adams...)
>
> Read it in Konqueror :)

Neill is right here. Though it's much easier in KDE help.

Still, mplayer's man page or info page or whatsoever begs for some other 
format to present help. ;-)

Uwe
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[gentoo-user] Memory Usage

[Grant]

From what I understand, Linux memory isn't freed up until it is full.

Is there a way to find out how much memory is actively in use?  It
would also be useful to know the maximum amount of memory that was
actively in use over a given period of time.

Also, I've noticed in top that when my server's 2GB of memory is
filled, it uses a small amount of swap (~24k) before it frees some up.
The "Swap: 24k" then remains.  Is that normal?

- Grant
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Re: [gentoo-user] BloGTK & gtkhtml2

[Arnau Bria]

On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 19:06:05 +0200
Alan McKinnon wrote:

> On Thursday 14 December 2006 18:47, Arnau Bria wrote:
[...]
> > Thanks for opening my eyes! and sorry for asking so before looking
> > deep in the problem...
> 
> No problem, we all do it sometimes :-)
> 
> If it makes you feel better, I could tell you all about the massive 
> blunder I made this week while delivering a certain well known Linux 
> course for a certain very well known US Linux vendor, but then I'd
> ruin my reputation, and my boss would be very upset.

Are u sure your boss is subscribed to list :-)

> So I won't.
> 
> :-)
> 
> alan
Cheers!


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[gentoo-user] USE flag mpm-prefork in apache

[Grant]

Apparently apache2 is built with mpm-prefork if no other mpm USE flag
is enabled, even if USE="-mpm-prefork" is specified.  Wouldn't it be
better to either have the emerge fail and instruct the user to enable
an mpm or remove the mpm-prefork USE flag entirely?

- Grant
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Re: [gentoo-user] turning off irrelevant mplayer errorFIXED?

[Alan McKinnon]

On Thursday 14 December 2006 18:51, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:41:02 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > BUT, I'll only start using info on the day someone can explain to
> > me how to use it causing my intestines to leap out of my throat and
> > strangling me in protest (apologies to Douglas Adams...)
>
> Read it in Konqueror :)

hehehehe, Konqueror rules. Again.

Now to get the Gnome people to catch a wake up and get their stuff to 
work just as easily, well and transparently as kio-slaves do.

Oops, lookee here, silly me, I might have just provoked a flame war :-)

alan

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Re: [gentoo-user] BloGTK & gtkhtml2

[Alan McKinnon]

On Thursday 14 December 2006 18:47, Arnau Bria wrote:
> you're right
> I did not see that USE... it's my fault!
>  
>
> > alan
>
> Thanks for opening my eyes! and sorry for asking so before looking
> deep in the problem...

No problem, we all do it sometimes :-)

If it makes you feel better, I could tell you all about the massive 
blunder I made this week while delivering a certain well known Linux 
course for a certain very well known US Linux vendor, but then I'd ruin 
my reputation, and my boss would be very upset.

So I won't.

:-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] turning off irrelevant mplayer errorFIXED?

[Neil Bothwick]

On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:41:02 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:

> BUT, I'll only start using info on the day someone can explain to me
> how to use it causing my intestines to leap out of my throat and
> strangling me in protest (apologies to Douglas Adams...)

Read it in Konqueror :)


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Re: [gentoo-user] BloGTK & gtkhtml2

[Arnau Bria]

On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:36:43 +0200
Alan McKinnon wrote:

> On Thursday 14 December 2006 18:02, Arnau Bria wrote:
[...]
> > Calculating dependencies... done!
> > [ebuild  N] dev-python/gnome-python-extras-2.14.0-r1  USE="X
> > firefox -debug -doc -seamonkey" 0 kB [ebuild  N] 
>   ^^^
>   See this?

not... :-(

> > But, do I really need mozilla-firefox?
>  It's pulling in firefox because you have it in your USE.
> You told portage to give you firefox, so it's giving you firefox. Why 
> are you complaining about it?

you're right
I did not see that USE... it's my fault!
 
> alan
Thanks for opening my eyes! and sorry for asking so before looking deep
in the problem...

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Re: [gentoo-user] turning off irrelevant mplayer errorFIXED?

[Alan McKinnon]

On Thursday 14 December 2006 17:59, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 11:28:31 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > man mplayer is an example of what a man page should be. All the
> > info is there, full and complete :-)
>
> man mplayer is an example of why we need info pages; far too much
> information for one page. At the very least, the mencoder-only
> options should be on a separate page.

You have a point with mencoder.

BUT, I'll only start using info on the day someone can explain to me how 
to use it causing my intestines to leap out of my throat and strangling 
me in protest (apologies to Douglas Adams...)

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Re: [gentoo-user] BloGTK & gtkhtml2

[Alan McKinnon]

On Thursday 14 December 2006 18:02, Arnau Bria wrote:

> These are the packages that would be merged, in reverse order:
>
> Calculating dependencies... done!
> [ebuild  N] dev-python/gnome-python-extras-2.14.0-r1  USE="X
> firefox -debug -doc -seamonkey" 0 kB [ebuild  N] 
  ^^^
  See this?

> But, do I really need mozilla-firefox?
 It's pulling in firefox because you have it in your USE.
You told portage to give you firefox, so it's giving you firefox. Why 
are you complaining about it?

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Re: [gentoo-user] BloGTK & gtkhtml2

[Arnau Bria]

On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:42:25 +0100
Arnau Bria wrote:

> Hi,

> import gtkhtml2
> ImportError: No module named gtkhtml2
> 
> Looking into google found that I need libgtkhtml, but I do not find
> any package with taht or similar name...
Ok, I found I need next:

# emerge -pvtD gnome-python-extras (I've enable gtkhtml2 USE flag)

These are the packages that would be merged, in reverse order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild  N] dev-python/gnome-python-extras-2.14.0-r1  USE="X firefox -debug 
-doc -seamonkey" 0 kB
[ebuild  N]  app-text/gtkspell-2.0.11-r1  USE="-doc" 0 kB
[ebuild  N]   app-text/enchant-1.2.5  0 kB
[ebuild  NS   ]  gnome-extra/gtkhtml-2.6.3  USE="-accessibility -debug" 0 kB
[ebuild  N]  www-client/mozilla-firefox-1.5.0.8  USE="-debug -gnome -ipv6 
-java -mozdevelop -moznopango -xinerama -xprint" LINGUAS="-ar -bg -ca -cs -da 
-de -el -en_GB -es -es_AR -es_ES -eu -fi -fr -ga -ga_IE -gu_IN -he -hu -it -ja 
-ko -lt -mk -nb -nb_NO -nl -pa_IN -pl -pt_BR -ro -ru -sk -sl -sv -sv_SE -tr 
-zh_CN -zh_TW" 34,790 kB
[ebuild  N]   dev-libs/nss-3.11.3  3,598 kB
[ebuild  N]dev-libs/nspr-4.6.3  USE="-ipv6" 1,271 kB
[ebuild  N]  gnome-extra/libgda-1.2.3  USE="berkdb -debug -doc -firebird 
-freetds -ldap -mdb -mys
> anyone could help me, please?

But, do I really need mozilla-firefox? 

Cheers,
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Re: [gentoo-user] turning off irrelevant mplayer errorFIXED?

[Neil Bothwick]

On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 11:28:31 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:

> man mplayer is an example of what a man page should be. All the info is 
> there, full and complete :-)

man mplayer is an example of why we need info pages; far too much
information for one page. At the very least, the mencoder-only options
should be on a separate page.


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[gentoo-user] BloGTK & gtkhtml2

[Arnau Bria]

Hi,

after installing BloGTK I recieve this error:

$ BloGTK
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/bin/BloGTK", line 14, in ?
import gtkhtml2
ImportError: No module named gtkhtml2

Looking into google found that I need libgtkhtml, but I do not find any
package with taht or similar name...

anyone could help me, please?

Cheers,
Arnau

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[gentoo-user] Can't start Coccinella-0.95-10

[Xavier MOGHRABI]

Hi

I've recently installed Coccinella using the Gentoo package (marked with ~x86 
keyword).

However I can't make it start since when I launch /opt/coccinella/coccinella

I get the following error message:
X Error of failed request:  BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)
  Major opcode of failed request:  70 (X_PolyFillRectangle)
  Serial number of failed request:  1092
  Current serial number in output stream:  1107


Any idea ?

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Re: [gentoo-user] turning off irrelevant mplayer errorFIXED?

[Uwe Thiem]

On 14 December 2006 11:28, Alan McKinnon wrote:

> man mplayer is an example of what a man page should be. All the info is
> there, full and complete :-)

Well, well, well ... that the POV of a masochist. ;-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] should my computer really be able to speak russian?

[Ryan Sims]

On 12/13/06, Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 Ryan Sims wrote:

I noticed while updating to Gnome 2.16 today that gnome2-user-docs
took a long time (38 min +), and most of that time was spend on
versions of the documents in languages I don't speak.  After trying a
few things, I found that disabling the nls use flag in scrollkeeper
reduced the gnome2-user-docs compile down to under a minute.

It got me thinking...I speak only English, my fiancee speaks English
(well, and some French, but she doesn't need our computer to), so I
thought, hm, is nls support needed *anywhere?*
So I disabled the use flag globally to test, and discovered probably
30 packages that want to be rebuilt, from glibc to vim to coreutils to
audacious.

If I only need a monoglot computer, would I break anything by
disabling nls support?

 http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/guide-localization.xml

This is the part that matters:

 There is also additional localisation variable called LINGUAS, which
affects to localisation files that get installed in gettext-based programs,
and decides used localisation for some specific software packages, such as
kde-base/kde-i18n and app-office/openoffice. The variable takes in 
space-separated
list of language codes, and suggested place to set it is /etc/make.conf:

Code Listing 3.5: Setting LINGUAS in make.conf

# nano -w /etc/make.conf(Add in the LINGUAS variable. For instance,
for German, Finnish and English:)
LINGUAS="de fi en"



I think that will help you.  I have -nls in mine too.  So both should not
hurt anything.

Hope that helps.



Thanks.  I do have my LINGUAS variable set to "en," but as I understand
it[1], the LINGUAS variable is expanded to use flags, so ebuilds that don't
use those flags wont respect LINGUAS, is that correct?

[1]http://devmanual.gentoo.org/general-concepts/linguas/index.html

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Re: [gentoo-user] turning off irrelevant mplayer errorFIXED?

[Alan McKinnon]

On Wednesday 13 December 2006 22:33, Uwe Thiem wrote:

> Not the same. That HTML version had a lot of internal links. ;-)



/usr/share/doc/mplayer-1.0_rc1/DOCS/HTML/

alan

p.s. 

man mplayer is an example of what a man page should be. All the info is 
there, full and complete :-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] [O.T] photomosaic

[Arnau Bria]

On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:30:17 +
Redouane Boumghar wrote:

> Hello Arnau
Hi,
 
> I'm sorry I didn't understand what you were looking for.
It's ok, I must improve my English!
 
> I proposed Image Magick and it sure can do it but with a little
> head-scratch.
> 
> So if i may resume u need :
> - A parent picture
> - A list of other pictures to fill the mosaic

that's it! 

> With Image Magick you can extract a portion (according to you
> discretization parameters) from the parent picture and then compare
> it with the list of pictures you have by comparing metrics like RMSE
> and then compose your mosaic with most revelant pictures at each
> portion of the parent one.
> 
> I'll post a shell script for this if I have time.
> This could be fun,
That would be nice!
 
> Have a good day and tell me if you find a program that does it,
at this point I have only found metapixel :-( it's nice, but i'm
looking for something better.

> Red.
Thanks!
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Re: [gentoo-user] [O.T] Kernel and general Linux Benchmarking

[Uwe Thiem]

On 14 December 2006 15:03, Bruno Santos wrote:
> Hello all.
>
> I need to perform some benchmarks with the Kernel and with the distro
> itself but i cannot find any satisfactory app for that.

... and you probably won't. The question is: How do you benchmark a whole 
system?

If you have some some number crunching application, it is relatively easy to 
benchmark that particular app. Feed it a certain data set and measure the CPU 
time it takes to finish. Repeat several times and calculate an average for 
trashed and non-trashed memory. Do the same on different systems and compare.

Same for anything that simply runs, once started, until it has finished - like 
a compiler run on a set of sources.

A whole system, even if it is commandline-only, is a different kettle of fish. 
What do you measure? Start-up times of applications under different 
circumstances (low, medium, high system load), that's possible again. Once 
the (interactive) application - say vim - runs, it will wait for your next 
keystroke at full CPU speed anyway. It becomes even more difficult with a GUI 
since they are all driven by user events. And yet, you are still benchmarking 
applications. The question remains: What *is* the performance of a whole 
system?

As for the kernel, you can measure certain of its aspects. How fast is a fork? 
How fast are the various methods of IPC (sockets, pipes, shared memory,...)? 
How good is IO (system bus, harddisk, network,...) throughput? How fast are 
certain system calls? And so on, and so on. So you can test certain kernel 
functions. Like with a whole system, what is the performance of a kernel?

I don't have any good answer for either question, kernel and system. :-(

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Re: [gentoo-user] [O.T] Kernel and general Linux Benchmarking

[Hans-Werner Hilse]

Hi,

On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:03:27 + Bruno Santos
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I need to perform some benchmarks with the Kernel and with the distro
> itself but i cannot find any satisfactory app for that.

/usr/portage/benchmark/*

...but it absolutely depends on *what* you want to benchmark
(concurrent access, networking, threading, forking, packet inspection,
harddrive performance, latency, etc.pp.)

> Does anyone knows some good ones? Or something i can make with the
> distro itself (any command or procedure) to see such data ??

Just tell us what data you want to see. I guess bogomips is not what
you're searching for? ;-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Protecting a package in package.keywords?

[Neil Bothwick]

On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:13:31 +, Mick wrote:

> I guess that's a bit like the infamous "cake-walk" phrase in reference
> to the TV announcements made at the time of the recent Iraq invasion?
> It left me wondering whether they intended to say "piece of cake" or "a
> walk in the park".  I guess they were also probably thinking "to have
> their cake and eat it", but that's not what they said.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cakewalk

But now we're getting even more OT than the meeces :)


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Re: [gentoo-user] [O.T] photomosaic

[Redouane Boumghar]

Hello Arnau

I'm sorry I didn't understand what you were looking for.

I proposed Image Magick and it sure can do it but with a little head-scratch.

So if i may resume u need :
- A parent picture
- A list of other pictures to fill the mosaic

With Image Magick you can extract a portion (according to you discretization 
parameters) from the parent picture and then compare it with the list of pictures

you have by comparing metrics like RMSE and then compose your mosaic
with most revelant pictures at each portion of the parent one.

I'll post a shell script for this if I have time.
This could be fun,

Have a good day and tell me if you find a program that does it,
Red.


Mmmm... With a quick look at description, I think this is not exaclty
want I'm looking for...
What I wanted to say with photomosaic, is a group of pictures wich
draw an other one
( http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/~schani/metapixel/examples.html)



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Re: [gentoo-user] should my computer really be able to speak russian?

[Mick]

On Thursday 14 December 2006 06:53, Dale wrote:
> Andrey Gerasimenko wrote:
> > On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 07:29:34 +0300, Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Ryan Sims wrote:
> >
> > )
> >
> >> That paste looks HTML.  Can someone confirm that it is sending as text
> >> only?  I have Seamonkey set up to send text only to this list.
> >
> > This is a multi-part message in MIME format, that is, onepart is plain
> > text and the second part is HTML. This allows the mail frontend to
> > decide how to display it.

Indeed, your penultimate message was html:

Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
  boundary="050604090402070805060803"

> Thanks.  It just so happens that it showed up as HTML here.  I guess if
> someone is in a console or something that it shows text only.  At least
> it is sending it like I want it too.

Your last message was sent as plain text:

Content-Type: text/plain;
  charset=windows-1251

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Re: [gentoo-user] Protecting a package in package.keywords?

[Mick]

On Thursday 14 December 2006 00:45, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 15:55:52 -0800, Jason Ausmus wrote:
> > > the latest ivtv branch (irregardless of whether its marked
> > > stable).
> >
> > 
> >
> > Sorry, but "irregardless" != English word
> >
> > I'm not trying to deputize myself as a grammar police officer, but I'm
> > powerless to resist this one...
>
> Try harder - irregardless is in the Oxford English Dictionary. it's
> listed as an Americanism, a blend of irrespective and regardless.
>
> You may not consider it good English (and neither do I) but it is an
> English word.

I guess that's a bit like the infamous "cake-walk" phrase in reference to the 
TV announcements made at the time of the recent Iraq invasion?  It left me 
wondering whether they intended to say "piece of cake" or "a walk in the 
park".  I guess they were also probably thinking "to have their cake and eat 
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[gentoo-user] [O.T] Kernel and general Linux Benchmarking

[Bruno Santos]

Hello all.

I need to perform some benchmarks with the Kernel and with the distro
itself but i cannot find any satisfactory app for that.
Does anyone knows some good ones? Or something i can make with the
distro itself (any command or procedure) to see such data ??

Thanks

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Re: [gentoo-user] [O.T] photomosaic

[Arnau Bria]

On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 11:07:06 +
Redouane Boumghar wrote:

> Hi everyone,
Hi,
 
> One can use Image Magick for building multi-images mosaics
> with command-line tools (minimum CPU load).
> 
> Get Image Magick :
> http://www.imagemagick.org/
> 
> How to use it for building mosaics :
> http://www.cit.gu.edu.au/~anthony/graphics/imagick6/mosaics/

Mmmm... With a quick look at description, I think this is not exaclty
want I'm looking for...
What I wanted to say with photomosaic, is a group of pictures wich
draw an other one
( http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/~schani/metapixel/examples.html)


> Hope it helps,
> R. Boumghar.
Thanks for your reply! 
Cheers

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Re: [gentoo-user] [O.T] photomosaic

[Redouane Boumghar]

Hi everyone,

One can use Image Magick for building multi-images mosaics
with command-line tools (minimum CPU load).

Get Image Magick :
http://www.imagemagick.org/

How to use it for building mosaics :
http://www.cit.gu.edu.au/~anthony/graphics/imagick6/mosaics/

Hope it helps,
R. Boumghar.

Arnau Bria wrote:

Hi,

does anyone know any application for generating photomosaics?

something like metapixel:
http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/~schani/metapixel/

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[gentoo-user] [O.T] photomosaic

[Arnau Bria]

Hi,

does anyone know any application for generating photomosaics?

something like metapixel:
http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/~schani/metapixel/

Thanks in advance,

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Re: [gentoo-user] No update-eix-remote

[Bo Ørsted Andresen]

On Thursday 14 December 2006 09:59, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > I'm not really sure where it's documented but if the keyword is missing
> > in /etc/portage/package.keywords portage assumes you want ~arch for
> > your arch. So no, he's not missing that.
>
> It's in man portage
>
> Format:
> - comments begin with #
> - one DEPEND atom per line followed by additional KEYWORDS
> - lines without any KEYWORDS imply unstable host arch

Ahh, I'm just blind.. :)

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[gentoo-user] Problems with bluetooth dongle and bnep

[Pshem Kowalczyk]

Hi,

I'm trying to setup BNEP network with a gentoo box as as master in NAP
mode. The client (dell laptop) connects using internal bluetooth
module. Everything looks nice and happy. Laptop connects to my gentoo
box, I set up bridge between eth0 and bnep0, dhcp allocates the IP and
laptop becomes connected to my lan over bluetooth.
Unfortunately after about a minute (and only standard
windows-background traffic - roughly about 1KB each way) - the
connection stops. I can't ping over it any more, but the bnep0 stays
up. The only way to bring it back to shape is to remove the dongle
from the usb port (removing the modules from the kernel doesn't seem
to help).

The dongle is made by Integrated System Solution Corp, its a KY-BT100
Bluetooth Adapter.

Moving the dongle to a different usb port doesn't help. Restarting
laptop doesn't help, which suggests that the problem is with the
dongle.

Any ideas or suggestions what might be causing the problems?

regards
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Re: [gentoo-user] No update-eix-remote

[Neil Bothwick]

On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 09:03:48 +0100, Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote:

> > > 1. iDeq ~# echo app-portage/eix >> /etc/portage/package.keywords  
> >
> > I think you're missing an atom in there.  The correct command, unless
> > I've mistaken your intent, is:

The atom is there, the keyword is missing.

> I'm not really sure where it's documented but if the keyword is missing 
> in /etc/portage/package.keywords portage assumes you want ~arch for
> your arch. So no, he's not missing that.

It's in man portage

Format:
- comments begin with #
- one DEPEND atom per line followed by additional KEYWORDS
- lines without any KEYWORDS imply unstable host arch


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [FIXED] Protecting a package in package.keywords?

[Neil Bothwick]

On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 22:32:35 -0500, Travis Osterman wrote:

> # cat /etc/portage/package.keywords | grep ivtv
> media-tv/ivtv
> # cat /etc/portage/package.mask | grep ivtv
> ~media-tv/ivtv-0.9.0
> # emerge -pv ivtv
> [ebuild  N] media-tv/ivtv-0.9.1

Here you are unkeyword-masking all versions and masking 0.9.0, so portage
picks the highest version that matches, which is 0.9.1.

> # cat /etc/portage/package.keywords | grep ivtv
> ~media-tv/ivtv-0.9.0
> # cat /etc/portage/package.mask | grep ivtv
> ~media-tv/ivtv-0.9.0
> # emerge -pv ivtv
> [ebuild  N] media-tv/ivtv-0.8.0

Now you are both unkeyword-masking and unmasking 0.9.0 but 0.9.1 is
already keyword masked, so the best match is 0.8.0.

keyword masking and package masking are considered separately, so although
0.9.0 may match on ACCEPT_KEYWORDS, it is still package masked.


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[gentoo-user] Re: DPMS Not Working on i810

[Remy Blank]

Randy Barlow wrote:
> Well, just wanted to write back and say that this sort of seemed to have 
> worked.  I'll give it the test of time, but the screen did in fact just turn 
> off on its own!  Thanks Remy!

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Re: [gentoo-user] No update-eix-remote

[Bo Ørsted Andresen]

On Thursday 14 December 2006 08:58, Ryan Tandy wrote:
> Douglas Linford wrote:
> > 1. iDeq ~# echo app-portage/eix >> /etc/portage/package.keywords
>
> I think you're missing an atom in there.  The correct command, unless
> I've mistaken your intent, is:
>
> # echo 'app-portage/eix ~x86' >> /etc/portage/package.keywords
>
> (that is, assuming your arch is x86; sub your own arch as necessary).
> I'm surprised Portage didn't complain about the incomplete line when you
> tried to emerge it.

I'm not really sure where it's documented but if the keyword is missing 
in /etc/portage/package.keywords portage assumes you want ~arch for your 
arch. So no, he's not missing that.

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Re: [gentoo-user] No update-eix-remote

[Ryan Tandy]

Douglas Linford wrote:

1. iDeq ~# echo app-portage/eix >> /etc/portage/package.keywords


I think you're missing an atom in there.  The correct command, unless 
I've mistaken your intent, is:


# echo 'app-portage/eix ~x86' >> /etc/portage/package.keywords

(that is, assuming your arch is x86; sub your own arch as necessary). 
I'm surprised Portage didn't complain about the incomplete line when you 
tried to emerge it.

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