RE: [gentoo-user] [OT] Top/Bottom Posting
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Richard Fish Sent: 10 January 2007 03:08 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] gcc slots The established community standard on this list is bottom posting. I can't recall anybody complaining about bottom-postingon any mail list*ever*. This is reason enough to adhere to the standard. -Richard Either suits me - my email client (Outlook, I don't have the choice at work. I asked for a *nix workstation rather than a Windows 2000 one and was greeted with laughter) automagically wants to top post but it's no work to click down a bit. I would say that most replies only reply to maybe a few lines of the preceeding message and so should usually fit on a reasonably sized window. I do have to admit to having a rather nice 17in 1280x1024 monitor though so : Is there perhaps a way to make an email client jump down to the first line not preceeded with a if it makes it easier for some people? Or perhaps a project for the KMail/Thunderbird/Evolution devs? :) David Note: These views are my own, advice is provided with no guarantee of success. I do not represent anyone else in any emails I send to this list. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Top/Bottom Posting
Am Mittwoch, 10. Januar 2007 08:55 schrieb ext Nelson, David (ED, PARD): I would say that most replies only reply to maybe a few lines of the preceeding message and so should usually fit on a reasonably sized window. Then one should delete the irrelevant parts anyway. Is there perhaps a way to make an email client jump down to the first line not preceeded with a if it makes it easier for some people? Or perhaps a project for the KMail/Thunderbird/Evolution devs? :) Why? Instead of putting the whole answer above the whole original text, people would put it below, then. This would be somehow better, but still far from good. Bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)162 234 3408 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Capgemini Deutschland | Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hambornerstraße 55 | Web: http://www.capgemini.com D-40472 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: www.keyserver.net pgpHLkgFCuw3Q.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Top/Bottom Posting
On 1/10/07, Dirk Heinrichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Mittwoch, 10. Januar 2007 08:55 schrieb ext Nelson, David (ED, PARD): I would say that most replies only reply to maybe a few lines of the preceeding message and so should usually fit on a reasonably sized window. Then one should delete the irrelevant parts anyway. Is there perhaps a way to make an email client jump down to the first line not preceeded with a if it makes it easier for some people? Or perhaps a project for the KMail/Thunderbird/Evolution devs? :) Why? Instead of putting the whole answer above the whole original text, people would put it below, then. This would be somehow better, but still far from good. Bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)162 234 3408 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Capgemini Deutschland | Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hambornerstraße 55 | Web: http://www.capgemini.com D-40472 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: www.keyserver.net Or use GMail for emaill, its great, it does 'diff' like working and masks the nasties of both posting styles. I find gmail great for thread tracking, it auto groups converstations. That said, im in favour of bottom posting, logically it makes more sence. answers after questions, not before. :) -- /ent Fredric (aka theJackal) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Top/Bottom Posting
Am Mittwoch, 10. Januar 2007 09:42 schrieb ext Kent Fredric: Bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)162 234 3408 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Capgemini Deutschland | Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hambornerstraße 55 | Web: http://www.capgemini.com D-40472 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: www.keyserver.net Or use GMail for emaill, its great, it does 'diff' like working and masks the nasties of both posting styles. I find gmail great for thread tracking, it auto groups converstations. That said, im in favour of bottom posting, logically it makes more sence. answers after questions, not before. :) But to what part of my mail did you answer to? To the sig? *SCNR*. Placing an answer below the whole original mail w/o thinking is as bad as top posting. Bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)162 234 3408 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Capgemini Deutschland | Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hambornerstraße 55 | Web: http://www.capgemini.com D-40472 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: www.keyserver.net pgpEjxnXXgAEB.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Core 2 duo: Building threaded program versions
On 10 January 2007 09:46, Nelson, David (ED, PARD) wrote: Regarding pbzip2, by the way, I gave it a shot last night. Definately faster for the type of archive I was compressing (mp3s in a tar archive). If I remember rightly it was approx 1min30s vs 0min50s. Not quite twice as fast, but a definate improvement. I plan to do a bit of further testing/playing if anyone is interested in the results. ... and was the resulting tarball smaller than an uncompressed one? Uwe -- A fast and easy generator of fractals for KDE: http://www.SysEx.com.na/iwy-1.0.tar.bz2 Proof of concept of a TSP solver for KDE: http://www.SysEx.com.na/epat-0.1.tar.bz2 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] gcc slots
On Wednesday 10 January 2007 01:40, Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: On Wednesday 10 January 2007 00:29, Mick wrote: # gcc-config -l [1] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5 [SNIP] --- Couldn't find 'gcc-3.4.5' to unmerge. [SNIP] If it doesn't exist, why is it listed? There's most likely a good explanation for this, but it's getting late and I must be too tired to understand it. Could you please care to explain? Maybe you have gcc-3.4.5-r1 ? `equery list -e gcc` will tell you. Thank you. equery only lists the latest gcc: # equery list -e gcc [ Searching for package 'gcc' in all categories among: ] * installed packages [I--] [ -] sys-devel/gcc-4.1.1-r3 (4.1) Under /etc/env.d/gcc I see the same that gcc-config -l shows: # ls -la /etc/env.d/gcc total 29 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 368 Jan 9 20:17 . drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 888 Jan 9 20:19 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 32 Jan 9 20:17 config -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 292 Mar 30 2006 i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 356 Mar 30 2006 i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5-hardened -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 361 Mar 30 2006 i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5-hardenednopie -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 364 Mar 30 2006 i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5-hardenednopiessp -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 361 Mar 30 2006 i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5-hardenednossp -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 292 Jan 9 20:17 i686-pc-linux-gnu-4.1.1 I think I'm sure it's not installed: # equery list -i --full-regex 'gcc-3.4.*' [ Searching for package 'gcc-3.4.*' in all categories among: ] * installed packages # I haven't remerged system or world, because this was a minor update from: Wed Nov 15 19:22:39 2006 sys-devel/gcc-4.1.1-r1 to: Tue Jan 9 20:18:55 2007 sys-devel/gcc-4.1.1-r3 I notice that there are no hardened 3.4.1 packages, but don't know if it is relevant. Any more ideas? -- Regards, Mick pgp3t9NiJo5TX.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Top/Bottom Posting
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 09:28:00 +0100, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Is there perhaps a way to make an email client jump down to the first line not preceeded with a if it makes it easier for some people? Or perhaps a project for the KMail/Thunderbird/Evolution devs? :) Claws Mail has this option. Why? Instead of putting the whole answer above the whole original text, people would put it below, then. And this is why I don't use it. Most decent mail clients have a far better option, highlight the part of the message you wish to reply to before hitting Reply and only that text will be quoted. -- Neil Bothwick Like an atheist in a grave: all dressed up and no place to go. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ATI Radeon 9550
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 04:56:42 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: How does one make an e-build available to the world? Post it on Bugzilla. If the maintainer likes your patch he'll add it to the tree. If not, anyone else searching Bugzilla will find it. -- Neil Bothwick Unsupported service (adj): Broken (see Demon) signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] pants
On Tue, 9 Jan 2007 23:25:31 -0700, Justin Findlay wrote:
# find /etc -type f -exec grep -nI --color PANTS {} \;
You'll need a -H on the grep arguments, otherwise it won't show the name
of the file that contains the match, because find is passing it the files
one at a time.
Quoting the {} is good practice too.
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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Top/Bottom Posting
On 10 January 2007 10:42, Kent Fredric wrote: That said, im in favour of bottom posting, logically it makes more sence. answers after questions, not before. :) I am for pruning the original mail and posting in context. ;-) Uwe -- A fast and easy generator of fractals for KDE: http://www.SysEx.com.na/iwy-1.0.tar.bz2 Proof of concept of a TSP solver for KDE: http://www.SysEx.com.na/epat-0.1.tar.bz2 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] bash_completion
On Tue, 9 Jan 2007, Willie Wong wrote: Hum non reproducible? If it never occurs again, I suggest you not worry about it. If it occurs randomly... hardware problem? The box is not new, but I have no reason to suppose it's starting to fail. At least, ide-smart keeps producing happy reports. Good luck, Thank you. -- Jorge -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Core 2 duo: Building threaded program versions
-Original Message- From: Uwe Thiem [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 January 2007 08:40 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Core 2 duo: Building threaded program versions On 10 January 2007 09:46, Nelson, David (ED, PARD) wrote: Regarding pbzip2, by the way, I gave it a shot last night. Definately faster for the type of archive I was compressing (mp3s in a tar archive). If I remember rightly it was approx 1min30s vs 0min50s. Not quite twice as fast, but a definate improvement. I plan to do a bit of further testing/playing if anyone is interested in the results. ... and was the resulting tarball smaller than an uncompressed one? Uwe By about 1% agreed MP3s are a poor example but it was late last night and I didn't have time to mess around with it much. Going to try with a mix of documents (word processed documents, text, pictures, some video) to see how it performs then. David Disclaimer: I represent no-one else in my emails to this list. Use any advice given at your own risk. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] fvwm: how to begin?
* Pierre-Yves Rofes [EMAIL PROTECTED] [07-01-05 11:42]: Hi, I think starting a new configuration from scratch is a really bad idea. It's boring and it will require hours to have something decent. You'd better to get a working config close from what you want, and then edit it to suit your personal needs and tastes. Yeah, I agree to that. It's easier to adapt the someone's config than start a new one from a scratch mainly beacuse you need to have a picture of what you want from your WM and a right directions to start. I know I should need menu, taskbar and pager, but what to read, where to start from? If you're convicted only to a man pages then that's PITA. It will take hours to figure out what sections of which man pages to read. Written tutorials help a bit, but still it takes quite a lot to become familiar with a simple options. IMHO, fvwm has a lack of the good structured and a heavily cross linked documentation, the one like mutt and mplayer have. There are so many options, available keywords that can't be just bundled in a single man pages. There were also some proposals of the default configuration which is good as a guideline, but I'm sure that it wouldn't present not even the third of the available customizations. So as a result you're ending up with a heavy research of forums, mail lists, available configs, wiki and that takes time... [...] -- Daniel Vrcic -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Core 2 duo: Building threaded program versions
On Wednesday 10 January 2007 12:20, Nelson, David (ED, PARD) wrote: By about 1% agreed MP3s are a poor example but it was late last night and I didn't have time to mess around with it much. Going to try with a mix of documents (word processed documents, text, pictures, some video) to see how it performs then. The site says that pbzip2 is compatible with bzip2, so it may be faster but I think it does not compress more than its single-threaded cousin. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] unable to compile php-4.4.4R8
Hi. I am having a strange problem trying to compile php-4.4.4r8. It does the config, is happy, does the complete compile, the links, then starts over again, but this time it complains that the Sablot version 0.96 cannot be found. I have installed 1.0.0 as a dependency of the php in the first place. Here are the last few lines of the attempt. checking for XSLT Sablotron backend... yes checking for libexpat dir for Sablotron XSL support... no checking for iconv dir for Sablotron XSL support... no checking for JavaScript for Sablotron XSL support... no checking for Sablotron libraries in the default path... found in /usr checking for sablot-config... found checking for Sablotron version... configure: error: Sablotron version 0.96 or greater required. !!! ERROR: dev-lang/php-4.4.4-r8 failed. Call stack: ebuild.sh, line 1546: Called dyn_compile ebuild.sh, line 937: Called src_compile php-4.4.4-r8.ebuild, line 173: Called src_compile_normal php-4.4.4-r8.ebuild, line 330: Called php4_4-sapi_src_compile php4_4-sapi.eclass, line 534: Called die !!! configure failed !!! If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack if relevant. Now here is the links followed by starting over. /bin/sh /var/tmp/portage/php-4.4.4-r8/work/php-4.4.4/libtool --silent --preserve-dup-deps --mode=link i386-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -export-dynamic -O2 -mtune=athlon-xp -pipe -L/usr/lib -L/opt/sun-jdk-1.5.0.09/jre/lib/i386/server -L/opt/sun-jdk-1.5.0.09/jre/lib/i386/native_threads -L/opt/sun-jdk-1.5.0.09/jre/lib/i386 -R /opt/sun-jdk-1.5.0.09/jre/lib/i386/server -R /opt/sun-jdk-1.5.0.09/jre/lib/i386/native_threads -R /opt/sun-jdk-1.5.0.09/jre/lib/i386 ext/openssl/openssl.lo ext/pcre/pcrelib/pcre_chartables.lo ext/pcre/pcrelib/pcre_ucp_searchfuncs.lo ext/pcre/pcrelib/pcre_compile.lo ext/pcre/pcrelib/pcre_config.lo ext/pcre/pcrelib/pcre_dfa_exec.lo ext/pcre/pcrelib/pcre_exec.lo ext/pcre/pcrelib/pcre_fullinfo.lo ext/pcre/pcrelib/pcre_get.lo ext/pcre/pcrelib/pcre_globals.lo ext/pcre/pcrelib/pcre_info.lo ext/pcre/pcrelib/pcre_maketables.lo ext/pcre/pcrelib/pcre_ord2utf8.lo ext/pcre/pcrelib/pcre_refcount.lo ext/pcre/pcrelib/pcre_study.lo ext/pcre/pcrelib/pcre_tables.lo ext/pcre/pcrelib/p! cre_try_flipped.lo ext/pcre/pcrelib/pcre_valid_utf8.lo ext/pcre/pcrelib/pcre_version.lo ext/pcre/pcrelib/pcre_xclass.lo ext/pcre/php_pcre.lo ext/zlib/zlib.lo ext/zlib/zlib_fopen_wrapper.lo ext/bcmath/bcmath.lo ext/bcmath/libbcmath/src/add.lo ext/bcmath/libbcmath/src/div.lo ext/bcmath/libbcmath/src/init.lo ext/bcmath/libbcmath/src/neg.lo ext/bcmath/libbcmath/src/outofmem.lo ext/bcmath/libbcmath/src/raisemod.lo ext/bcmath/libbcmath/src/rt.lo ext/bcmath/libbcmath/src/sub.lo ext/bcmath/libbcmath/src/compare.lo ext/bcmath/libbcmath/src/divmod.lo ext/bcmath/libbcmath/src/int2num.lo ext/bcmath/libbcmath/src/num2long.lo ext/bcmath/libbcmath/src/output.lo ext/bcmath/libbcmath/src/recmul.lo ext/bcmath/libbcmath/src/sqrt.lo ext/bcmath/libbcmath/src/zero.lo ext/bcmath/libbcmath/src/debug.lo ext/bcmath/libbcmath/src/doaddsub.lo ext/bcmath/libbcmath/src/nearzero.lo ext/bcmath/libbcmath/src/num2str.lo ext/bcmath/libbcmath/src/raise.lo ext/bcmath/libbcmath/src/rmzero.lo ext/bcmath/libbcmat! h/src/str2num.lo ext/bz2/bz2.lo ext/curl/curl.lo ext/curl/curlstreams. l o ext/dba/dba.lo ext/dba/dba_cdb.lo ext/dba/dba_db2.lo ext/dba/dba_dbm.lo ext/dba/dba_gdbm.lo ext/dba/dba_ndbm.lo ext/dba/dba_db3.lo ext/dba/dba_db4.lo ext/dba/dba_flatfile.lo ext/dba/dba_inifile.lo ext/domxml/php_domxml.lo ext/ftp/php_ftp.lo ext/ftp/ftp.lo ext/gd/gd.lo ext/gd/gdttf.lo ext/gd/libgd/gd.lo ext/gd/libgd/gd_gd.lo ext/gd/libgd/gd_gd2.lo ext/gd/libgd/gd_io.lo ext/gd/libgd/gd_io_dp.lo ext/gd/libgd/gd_io_file.lo ext/gd/libgd/gd_ss.lo ext/gd/libgd/gd_io_ss.lo ext/gd/libgd/gd_png.lo ext/gd/libgd/gd_jpeg.lo ext/gd/libgd/gdxpm.lo ext/gd/libgd/gdfontt.lo ext/gd/libgd/gdfonts.lo ext/gd/libgd/gdfontmb.lo ext/gd/libgd/gdfontl.lo ext/gd/libgd/gdfontg.lo ext/gd/libgd/gdtables.lo ext/gd/libgd/gdft.lo ext/gd/libgd/gdcache.lo ext/gd/libgd/gdkanji.lo ext/gd/libgd/wbmp.lo ext/gd/libgd/gd_wbmp.lo ext/gd/libgd/gdhelpers.lo ext/gd/libgd/gd_topal.lo ext/gd/libgd/gd_gif_in.lo ext/gd/libgd/xbm.lo ext/gd/libgd/gd_gif_out.lo ext/gettext/gettext.lo ext/iconv/iconv.lo ext/imap/php_imap.lo e! xt/ldap/ldap.lo ext/mbstring/mbstring.lo ext/mbstring/php_unicode.lo ext/mbstring/php_mbregex.lo ext/mbstring/mbregex/mbregex.lo ext/mbstring/libmbfl/filters/html_entities.lo ext/mbstring/libmbfl/filters/mbfilter_7bit.lo ext/mbstring/libmbfl/filters/mbfilter_ascii.lo ext/mbstring/libmbfl/filters/mbfilter_base64.lo ext/mbstring/libmbfl/filters/mbfilter_big5.lo ext/mbstring/libmbfl/filters/mbfilter_byte2.lo ext/mbstring/libmbfl/filters/mbfilter_byte4.lo ext/mbstring/libmbfl/filters/mbfilter_cp1251.lo ext/mbstring/libmbfl/filters/mbfilter_cp1252.lo ext/mbstring/libmbfl/filters/mbfilter_cp866.lo
[gentoo-user] lspci missing ATI details
Hello, I'm not sure when it happened, but lspci (lspci -vvv) does not report on the details of my ATI 1900 video card, like it did a few weeks ago, when I last checked. Any ideas which upgrades/packages could be affecting this, lack of detail? I rebuilt the lastest stable release of pciutils, but that did not restore the information on the card, nor did installing version (~)2.2.4 fix the problem. Any ideas or suggestions? James -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ATI Radeon 9550
On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 22:21 -0500, Sean wrote: I picked up one of these cards today. Normally I prefer nvidia based but I let price make my choice right now. Anyway, have had nothing but problems trying to get this thing working. Found many bugs listed against the ati-drivers, and not having much more success using the open source drivers also listed in the Gentoo ATI faq. Before I go much further, or post for any help here, have any others here managed to get this card working on Gentoo, or should i just go try and get an Nvidia based card instead? Thanks Sean\ Works fine for me - radeon 9550/RV350. ati-drivers-8.32.5 with USE=opengl Using it on a mythtv box with gentoo-sources patched with suspend2. Some versions of ati-drivers are very flakey, but the above version is rock solid with good playback in myth and no problems with hibernate to disk or other dramas. BillK -- William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Top/Bottom Posting
On Wednesday 10 January 2007 03:40, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Top/Bottom Posting': Most decent mail clients have a far better option, highlight the part of the message you wish to reply to before hitting Reply and only that text will be quoted. I generally don't use this feature either, because I try to put my reply text as close as possible to what I'm replying to, resulting in an interleaved message. In the case there's a single piece of text I'm replying to, it is nice to have. Sans this highlight relevant part(s) feature, the proper behavior for an email client to to start at the top with the entire body of the email being replied to quoted (the RFC that covers text/plain;format=flowed discusses HOW to quote) below the cursor, and any signature below the quoted text, separated from the rest of the email with the text -- on a line by itself (this specific signature separator is specified in some RFC). As this point, a responsible users scan down the message removing the irrelevant part(s) and putting his/her reply below the relevant part(s). In the future, it may be possible that emails are sent in a language that has a bottom-to-top page order (I don't know of any languages that do this currently). In that case, the cursor should start at the beginning of page and replies should go after their relevant parts as the user scans through the email. -- If there's one thing we've established over the years, it's that the vast majority of our users don't have the slightest clue what's best for them in terms of package stability. -- Gentoo Developer Ciaran McCreesh pgp4j2ft2upa5.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Top/Bottom Posting
On 1/10/07, Dirk Heinrichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Mittwoch, 10. Januar 2007 09:42 schrieb ext Kent Fredric: Bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)162 234 3408 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Capgemini Deutschland | Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hambornerstraße 55 | Web: http://www.capgemini.com D-40472 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: www.keyserver.net Or use GMail for emaill, its great, it does 'diff' like working and masks the nasties of both posting styles. I find gmail great for thread tracking, it auto groups converstations. That said, im in favour of bottom posting, logically it makes more sence. answers after questions, not before. :) But to what part of my mail did you answer to? To the sig? *SCNR*. Placing an answer below the whole original mail w/o thinking is as bad as top posting. I'll put it here to keep you happy, but IMO, if the body of the message discusses a singular idea, then replying after the signature should be somewhat imo acceptable. But admittedly, you do have quite a sizable signature ;) ( compensating for something? :P jk ) . Admittedly, I think how you handle interleave/bottom posting should be case dependent. Im still debating with myself at what stage (if at all) you cull out the old message when it gets deep in reply chains in order to economize on message size for clients which don't automatically hide that which is irrelevant in context by automatic comparison to the previous message :), or whether stripping out a signature from a message is potentially damaging intellectual property :) Bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)162 234 3408 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Capgemini Deutschland | Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hambornerstraße 55 | Web: http://www.capgemini.com D-40472 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: www.keyserver.net -- Kent -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Top/Bottom Posting
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 07:15:58 -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: Most decent mail clients have a far better option, highlight the part of the message you wish to reply to before hitting Reply and only that text will be quoted. I generally don't use this feature either, because I try to put my reply text as close as possible to what I'm replying to, resulting in an interleaved message. In the case there's a single piece of text I'm replying to, it is nice to have. So you highlight the block of mail containing the parts you wish to reply to. Sans this highlight relevant part(s) feature, the proper behavior for an email client to to start at the top with the entire body of the email being replied to quoted Then type your replies in the appropriate places, removing any parts you don't need. it's still easier than starting with the whole mail and removing huge swathes, especially if the previous mail used excessive quoting. -- Neil Bothwick We secretly replaced the dilithium with Folgers Crystals signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Top/Bottom Posting
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kent Fredric wrote: I'll put it here to keep you happy, but IMO, if the body of the message discusses a singular idea, then replying after the signature should be somewhat imo acceptable. Many mail readers (e.g Thunderbird) put the signature (that means, the text after a \r\n--\r\n token) in a different, lighter color. Thus, replying below the signature may put your reply in the same color, potentially rendering it invisible to some eyes. - -- Arturo Buanzo Busleiman - Consultor Independiente en Seguridad Informatica ¿No sabés a dónde ir a comer o tomar algo? Visitá www.vivamoslavida.com.ar -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFpOzCAlpOsGhXcE0RAmEgAJ9Tn3AdPAwf7rx0mRItU+Nz3qZJowCggP52 uvN/yqilNHdry2+IrLEgWQo= =eR2V -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: gtk+ wants to install xorg-server
On 2007-01-10, Bruno Espinoza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GTK (www.gtk.org) is a graphic interface library. It was used to create The GIMP and for writing GNOME. Obiously, this programs need a Windows System in order to run. Obviously wrong. They need X _client_libraries_ to run. There is not requirement that an X server be installed on the machine where the client is installed. And thats why it need the X Window System (Xorg) in order to compile succesfully. That's bullshit. Have you ever see The GIMP in a terminal? I don't think so. I have many times seen X apps running with the X server on a different machine than the client. X is net-work transparent. X applications can be run with the X server and X client on different machines. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! Did we bring enough at BEEF JERKY? visi.com -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: gtk+ wants to install xorg-server
On 2007-01-10, Bo Ørsted Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --nextPart83488497.xmOgMQFcVB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Wednesday 10 January 2007 06:48, Bruno Espinoza wrote: Obiously, this programs need a Windows System in order to run. Sure. On the client system. Actually the gtk app _is_ the client system. The system with the Xorg server that's displaying windows reading the mouse device is the server system. Which doesn't have to be on the same system as the gtk app is installed on. Correct. The X server (Xorg server) and X client (gtk app) may be on different machines. And thats why it need the X Window System (Xorg) in order to compile succesfully. Nope. It only needs it for the tests after successfull compilation. Which seems rather bogus to me. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! Go on, EMOTE! I at was RAISED on thought visi.comballoons!! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: ATI Radeon 9550
On 2007-01-10, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --Sig_Z=zjI8hJVAePlOai=Cqo4ho Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 04:56:42 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: How does one make an e-build available to the world? Post it on Bugzilla. If the maintainer likes your patch he'll add it to the tree. If not, anyone else searching Bugzilla will find it. Somebody already posted the patch to the driver to Bugzilla. Should I also post the patch to the ebuild file? -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! I'd like TRAINED at SEALS and a CONVERTIBLE on visi.commy doorstep by NOON!! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ATI Radeon 9550
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:42:31 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: Post it on Bugzilla. If the maintainer likes your patch he'll add it to the tree. If not, anyone else searching Bugzilla will find it. Somebody already posted the patch to the driver to Bugzilla. Should I also post the patch to the ebuild file? Why not, the easier you make it for the dev, the more likely he is to fix it. -- Neil Bothwick If at first you don't succeed, redefine success. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] dbus downgrade via revdep-rebuild
I upgraded to dbus-1.0.2, but a subsequent revdep-rebuild wants to downgrade dbus back to 0.62-r2. How can I fix this? - Grant You can mask the older version of package. I had the same problem. And I decided not to upgrade :) dbus-1.0.2 killed some libs, and there were a LOT of packages which needed to be recompiled, and also I see no advantages of dbus-1.0.2. Thanks, masking the older version fixed it. I need the new dbus for democracy (getdemocracy.com). - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gtk+ wants to install xorg-server
On Wednesday 10 January 2007 15:39, Grant Edwards wrote: Nope. It only needs it for the tests after successfull compilation. Which seems rather bogus to me. I'd agree that it would be better to have it depend on test use flag. But bogus? -- Bo Andresen pgpAwPDmVkKU1.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia and Minefield?
On 1/9/07, Hemmann, Volker Armin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: since the problems also appear with nv (but not as severe), I would not blame nvidia, but minefield. Yes, I thought it might be some problem with cairo, which might affect X. I've had some problems with cairo in the past, and as Minefield's graphics display relies on cairo, perhaps it would be a problem with it. I'll have a search on gentoo bugzilla. But first, what card would you use, if you don't choose nvidia? AMD/ATI? With the latest cards not even 2D is possible anymore. And their drivers really suck. That's the problem... I don't think there is anything better :( -- Bruno Lustosa [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.lustosa.net/ -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Core 2 duo: Building threaded program versions
-Original Message- From: Etaoin Shrdlu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 January 2007 12:15 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Core 2 duo: Building threaded program versions By about 1% agreed MP3s are a poor example but it was late last night and I didn't have time to mess around with it much. Going to try with a mix of documents (word processed documents, text, pictures, some video) to see how it performs then. The site says that pbzip2 is compatible with bzip2, so it may be faster but I think it does not compress more than its single-threaded cousin. I was answering in reply to: ... and was the resulting tarball smaller than an uncompressed one? i.e. was mp3.tar.bz2 smaller than mp3.tar. Which it was, but only slightly as MP3s are already compressed as they are so don't compress so well. David Note: These views are my own, advice is provided with no guarantee of success. I do not represent anyone else in any emails I send to this list. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] 3D games on AMD64 + ati 1900
hello, I have my amd64 running glxgears at just under 2000 fps. However when I run bzflag, it crashes the X session. I ran accross this web page: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_AMD_64 Which suggest exporting is the key to get 3D games to work: snip Radeon 3D-acceleration in 32-bit programs Getting 3D acceleration working with ATI Radeon requires proprietary drivers and some 32-bit programs must be enabled with the correct GL-drivers setting. Before you run your game, you should export the proper LIBGL_DRIVERS_PATH environment variable: export LIBGL_DRIVERS_PATH=/usr/X11R6/lib32/modules/dri end/snip I have the ati-drivers-8.32.5 installed, but not this 'modules/dri' dir under /usr/X11R6/lib32/. Could this be the reason BZflag croakes immediate upon startup? Any suggestions or info is most welcome. James -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Core 2 duo: Building threaded program versions
On 10 January 2007 13:20, Nelson, David (ED, PARD) wrote: -Original Message- From: Uwe Thiem [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 January 2007 08:40 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Core 2 duo: Building threaded program versions On 10 January 2007 09:46, Nelson, David (ED, PARD) wrote: Regarding pbzip2, by the way, I gave it a shot last night. Definately faster for the type of archive I was compressing (mp3s in a tar archive). If I remember rightly it was approx 1min30s vs 0min50s. Not quite twice as fast, but a definate improvement. I plan to do a bit of further testing/playing if anyone is interested in the results. ... and was the resulting tarball smaller than an uncompressed one? Uwe By about 1% agreed MP3s are a poor example but it was late last night and I didn't have time to mess around with it much. Going to try with a mix of documents (word processed documents, text, pictures, some video) to see how it performs then. I was trying to make a point that is was rather pointless to check a compressor on files that were basically incompressible. ;-) Uwe -- A fast and easy generator of fractals for KDE: http://www.SysEx.com.na/iwy-1.0.tar.bz2 Proof of concept of a TSP solver for KDE: http://www.SysEx.com.na/epat-0.1.tar.bz2 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: ATI Radeon 9550
Sean tech.junk at verizon.net writes: Anyway, have had nothing but problems trying to get this thing working. Found many bugs listed against the ati-drivers, and not having much more success using the open source drivers also listed in the Gentoo ATI faq. Before I go much further, or post for any help here, have any others here managed to get this card working on Gentoo, Hello Sean, I do not have a 9550 card, but, here are a few resources and suggesting that I have found that might help. I did get my ATI 1900 to work, but, only after quit a lot of pain 1. unmask the lastest ATI drivers ( as the ATI web sites says there are lots of bug fixes in 8.32.5) and install it. It was the only version that worked on my ati 1900 card. http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/linux_8.32.5.html 2. Pay very close attention to your xorg.conf file. Mine ended up being quite different that my radeon driver based systems. I used 'xorgconfig' to generate the intial xorg.conf file. From there, I just addressed each issue individually. If web pages(wikis) do not specifically talk about version 8.30.x or later, ignore them. They are out of date and none I tried to follow were very useful. These old web pages are about 95% of the problem with getting ati-drivers to work, as most reverence old 2.6 kernels and xorg (before 7.0). 3. Run 'lspci -v' and then Look at this web page to see exactly which video card you have. There is quite a lot of 'disinformation' floating about between vendors being deceptive and inacccurate/old web pages concerning video hardware. http://pci-ids.ucw.cz/iii//?i=1002 http://odin.prohosting.com/wedge01/gentoo-radeon-faq.html#4_nodevice http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Fglrx#Building_for_Xorg_7.0 http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=596 http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/ati-faq.xml http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_R300 http://post.gmane.org/post.php?group=gmane.linux.gentoo.userfollowup=177360 hth, James -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] unable to compile php-4.4.4R8
On 1/10/07, John covici [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: checking for Sablotron version... configure: error: Sablotron version 0.96 or greater required. Looks like this is really a problem with java on your system [1]. What does java-config -L report? Do you need php with java support? If not, you can get around this with: echo dev-lang/php -java /etc/portage/package.use -Richard [1] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150410 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] moving to ADSL
I'm about to switch from cable to ADSL anytime soon, and I'm trying to prepare the computer for the big change, given that there will be a time gap without internet access and that I can't expect any support whatsoever from the provider's staff. Of course, I can't do any testing... According to http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=4chap=3, it seems that it is enough to emerge net-dialup/rp-pppoe, edit /etc/conf.d/net and edit /etc/ppp/pap-secrets. Is this correct? I mean, what about the contents of /etc/ppp/, like /etc/ppp/pppoe.conf? Aren't we supposed to edit at least the latter? The handbook says the contents of /etc/ppp/pap-secrets must be username * password but /usr/share/doc/rp-pppoe-3.8/pap-secrets.gz says it must be like [EMAIL PROTECTED] * my_password * (i.e., another * and no quotes...) Can someone clarify this point? Another matter that is not clear to me: what about pppoe-start and all other commands mentioned in man pppoe? I think that /etc/init.d/net.eth0 works as a wrapper and will invoke the appropriate commands as needed. Is this correct, and can I safely ignore such commands? -- Jorge Almeida -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] moving to ADSL
Jorge Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm about to switch from cable to ADSL anytime soon, and I'm trying to prepare the computer for the big change, given that there will be a time gap without internet access and that I can't expect any support whatsoever from the provider's staff. Of course, I can't do any testing... According to http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=4chap=3, it seems that it is enough to emerge net-dialup/rp-pppoe, edit /etc/conf.d/net and edit /etc/ppp/pap-secrets. Is this correct? I mean, what about the contents of /etc/ppp/, like /etc/ppp/pppoe.conf? Aren't we supposed to edit at least the latter? Would it not be much simpler to use a router to connect to the ADSL and use ethernet or Wifi to connect the PC(s) to the router? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] moving to ADSL
Jorge Almeida ha scritto: I'm about to switch from cable to ADSL anytime soon, and I'm trying to prepare the computer for the big change, given that there will be a time gap without internet access and that I can't expect any support whatsoever from the provider's staff. Of course, I can't do any testing... Buying an hardware router with DHCP will avoid you any hassle. I did this way at my parent's home and everything runs perfectly. Of course I'm talking of a 24/7 connection. m. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] unable to compile php-4.4.4R8
java-config -L yields: The folowing VMs are available for generation-2: *) Sun JDK 1.5.0.09 [sun-jdk-1.5] I will try disabling java support and see what happens. Right now I have java-internal which I thought would work being bundled with it. on Wednesday 01/10/2007 Richard Fish([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote On 1/10/07, John covici [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: checking for Sablotron version... configure: error: Sablotron version 0.96 or greater required. Looks like this is really a problem with java on your system [1]. What does java-config -L report? Do you need php with java support? If not, you can get around this with: echo dev-lang/php -java /etc/portage/package.use -Richard [1] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150410 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] moving to ADSL
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007, b.n. wrote: Buying an hardware router with DHCP will avoid you any hassle. I did this way at my parent's home and everything runs perfectly. Of course I'm talking of a 24/7 connection. Probably that's what I want, but how can I know? The handbook doesn't talk about such things, and I have no experience with ADSL. What configuring must be done for such setup? More important, what documentation is there? (And the instructions in the handbook refer to what kind of setup?) -- Jorge Almeida -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] unable to compile php-4.4.4R8
OK, that did it -- thanks a lot it was really driving me bananas. on Wednesday 01/10/2007 Richard Fish([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote On 1/10/07, John covici [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: checking for Sablotron version... configure: error: Sablotron version 0.96 or greater required. Looks like this is really a problem with java on your system [1]. What does java-config -L report? Do you need php with java support? If not, you can get around this with: echo dev-lang/php -java /etc/portage/package.use -Richard [1] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150410 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] moving to ADSL
On Wednesday 10 January 2007 12:43, Jorge Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about '[gentoo-user] moving to ADSL': I'm about to switch from cable to ADSL anytime soon, and I'm trying to prepare the computer for the big change, given that there will be a time gap without internet access and that I can't expect any support whatsoever from the provider's staff. Of course, I can't do any testing... Firstly, ignore those that want you to buy another piece of hardware to do something your computer is perfectly capable of doing. It's an unnecessary expense, and while initial configuration *might* be easier you'll pay later because that simple interface doesn't expose enough to allow you to effectively troubleshoot. According to http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=4chap=3, it seems that it is enough to emerge net-dialup/rp-pppoe, edit /etc/conf.d/net and edit /etc/ppp/pap-secrets. Is this correct? I mean, what about the contents of /etc/ppp/, like /etc/ppp/pppoe.conf? Aren't we supposed to edit at least the latter? The handbook says the contents of /etc/ppp/pap-secrets must be username * password but /usr/share/doc/rp-pppoe-3.8/pap-secrets.gz says it must be like [EMAIL PROTECTED] * my_password * (i.e., another * and no quotes...) Can someone clarify this point? While the handbook sometimes leaves things out, if it explicitly mentioned you *do not* need to do something, you won't *in the most likely case*. That said, we are using ADSL for part of our connection here and I believe we are having a Gentoo machine handle to pppoe connection. I'll see if I can't get your an actual configuration (minus passwords, of course) and send it to you privately so you have a concrete, working example of pppoe in Gentoo. You might also check the Gentoo wiki, it may have more details than the handbook. Another matter that is not clear to me: what about pppoe-start and all other commands mentioned in man pppoe? I think that /etc/init.d/net.eth0 works as a wrapper and will invoke the appropriate commands as needed. Is this correct, and can I safely ignore such commands? A properly configured /etc/conf.d/net will let Gentoo manage invoking all these commands, yes. -- If there's one thing we've established over the years, it's that the vast majority of our users don't have the slightest clue what's best for them in terms of package stability. -- Gentoo Developer Ciaran McCreesh pgpWVPbOtmSPZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] moving to ADSL
On Wednesday 10 January 2007 20:32, Jorge Almeida wrote: On Wed, 10 Jan 2007, b.n. wrote: Buying an hardware router with DHCP will avoid you any hassle. I did this way at my parent's home and everything runs perfectly. Of course I'm talking of a 24/7 connection. Probably that's what I want, but how can I know? The handbook doesn't talk about such things, and I have no experience with ADSL. What configuring must be done for such setup? More important, what documentation is there? (And the instructions in the handbook refer to what kind of setup?) If you use a router, the usual DHCP configuration (for wired or wireless ethernet) applies. Depending on the router setup, your host might receive only the IP address or other parameters too (DNS, domain name, etc.), so just edit /etc/conf.d/net accordingly. The router is usually configured using a web interface, and is the device that establishes the actual Internet connection (using its WAN port). Of course, the router _does_ have to be configured with the correct ADSL parameters (type of ATM encapsulation, username/password for the PPP session, etc.) and these parameters are (or should be) provided by your ISP. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Mathematical Formulas
Hello, Gentoo fits like a glove,even to a newbie such as myself, but I can't get AbiWord to display mathematical formulas in my documents. Is there a package I am missing (searches yielded nothing of interest thus far) or another piece of software I can use? Thanks, Vlad Dogaru PS: Double-posted on suggestion from gentoo-desktop.
Re: [gentoo-user] moving to ADSL
On Wednesday 10 January 2007 22:06, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote: If you use a router, the usual DHCP configuration (for wired or wireless ethernet) applies. Of course, the above is true if you configure your router to act as a DHCP server (the most common setup with an ADSL router, at least in my experience). But you can also using static addresses, of course. The important thing is that /etc/conf.d/net reflects your actual setup. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] net.eth0 net.eth1 net.eth2 persist in trying to come up even though not in any run level.
On Tuesday 09 January 2007 23:12, Iain Buchanan wrote: On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 19:56 +, Mick wrote: On Tuesday 09 January 2007 01:13, Iain Buchanan wrote: hmm, now I look at it, I have RC_PLUG_SERVICES=!bluetooth, and yet the bluetooth service is still started automatically (not in any runlevel). thoughts? thanks, Could it be that bluetooth is the wrong name for it? Is it identified as bluetooth in ifconfig? bluetooth is the name of the init.d service at least, but it's not a network interface, so ifconfig won't show anything there... Of course. My mistake. Does it still start if you rc-update del it? If yes, then I'm thinking that it may be that the device is modprobed by udev and then ifplug, or what-have-you, picks it up? I can't really compare with mine because bluetooth won't come up no matter what. :-( that's what this list is for :-) I think mine is a hardware problem. I can't see it in lshw lspci. I have posted about it in the past and some good souls tried to help but I didn't get far. Still using the IrDA to spk to my mobile. :-( -- Regards, Mick pgp7sw3wfmQHo.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] moving to ADSL
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ha scritto: Firstly, ignore those that want you to buy another piece of hardware to do something your computer is perfectly capable of doing. It's an unnecessary expense, and while initial configuration *might* be easier you'll pay later because that simple interface doesn't expose enough to allow you to effectively troubleshoot. Good point. I agree and I'm sorry. I explain why I immediately adviced for buying a router: here in Italy most commercial ADSL providers rent you an USB modem (not an Ethernet one). Some USB ADSL modems are somehow supported on linux, but drivers are famous to be poorly documented, unreliable and to make them work is often a real pain in the neck. So when my parents got an ADSL I immediately told them to not rent the modem, and I bought them an ADSL router, that indeed worked perfectly from scratch. However I'd still advice for a small ADSL router if he wants to connect more than one box. Of course he can build a Gentoo router himself buying a very old machine and a bunch of ethernet cards on eBay :) m. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] moving to ADSL
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: Firstly, ignore those that want you to buy another piece of hardware to do something your computer is perfectly capable of doing. It's an unnecessary expense, and while initial configuration *might* be easier you'll pay later because that simple interface doesn't expose enough to allow you to effectively troubleshoot. I've been browsing the provider's page, and it happens that you have to buy a connection kit (not very expensive) as part of the contract. It includes a modem+router (Huawei ADSL 2+), so the choice is whether to use it or to buy something better... The other point is important, of course. So, if I understood correctly, the router is really a box containing a modem to deal with analogic/digital conversions and a router to allow connection to one or several computers. Right? And the interface via web is always OS-agnostic? Or should I worry that I buy a linux-unfriendly device? That said, we are using ADSL for part of our connection here and I believe we are having a Gentoo machine handle to pppoe connection. I'll see if I can't get your an actual configuration (minus passwords, of course) and send it to you privately so you have a concrete, working example of pppoe in Gentoo. OK, that would be usefull, whether I use a router or not. You might also check the Gentoo wiki, it may have more details than the handbook. Will do. A properly configured /etc/conf.d/net will let Gentoo manage invoking all these commands, yes. Thanks. -- Jorge -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] moving to ADSL
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:35:39 -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: Firstly, ignore those that want you to buy another piece of hardware to do something your computer is perfectly capable of doing. He's going to need an ADSL modem, so why not get one with a router built in? In fact, here in the UK, it is all but impossible to buy an ethernet ADSL modem without a built in router. I bought the only one I could find, a D-Link, and it was useless, so I went back to the combined unit. Over here, ISPs supply a free USB modem. The reason it's free is that's a reasonable assessment of its value. So you end up buying an ethernet modem anyway, and that includes a router. -- Neil Bothwick Is that woof feed me; woof walk me; woof there's a burglar? What?? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Mathematical Formulas
On 1/10/07, Vlad Dogaru [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Gentoo fits like a glove,even to a newbie such as myself, but I can't get AbiWord to display mathematical formulas in my documents. Is there a package I am missing (searches yielded nothing of interest thus far) or another piece of software I can use? I use wxmaxima, which can output latex, and openoffice-math has an ok formula editor. I think it also does latex. -- Ryan W Sims -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] new runlevel
Hi, I've created a new runlevel named Wireless where I'd like to configure my normal boot except network config, where I'd like to load net.rausb0 instead of net.eth0. So here are my outputs: # rc-update show boot|grep net net.lo | boot # rc-update show default|grep net net.eth0 | default netmount | default # rc-update show wireless|grep net netmount | wireless net.rausb0 | wireless Also, I've modified my grub conf to load new softlevel: title=Gentoo Linux 2.6.18 Wireless root (hd0,0) kernel /kernel-2.6.18 root=/dev/hda5 nodevfs udev devfs=nomount video=vesafb:ywrap,mttr,[EMAIL PROTECTED] splash=silent,kdgraphics,theme:Emergance resume2=swap:/dev/hda3 CONSOLE=/dev/tty1 softlevel=wireless initrd /boot/fbsplash-Emergance-1024x768 But, every time I reboot I get both interfaces up, and I don't know why... Could anyone help me? Thanks in advance, Arnau -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] moving to ADSL
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007, b.n. wrote: Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ha scritto: Firstly, ignore those that want you to buy another piece of hardware to do something your computer is perfectly capable of doing. It's an unnecessary expense, and while initial configuration *might* be easier you'll pay later because that simple interface doesn't expose enough to allow you to effectively troubleshoot. Good point. I agree and I'm sorry. I explain why I immediately adviced for Don't be sorry! buying a router: here in Italy most commercial ADSL providers rent you an USB modem (not an Ethernet one). Some USB ADSL modems are somehow supported on linux, but drivers are famous to be poorly documented, unreliable and to make them work is often a real pain in the neck. Here they sell you a router (with ethernet and USB interface, at least the provider I have in mind), so it seems a good solution. However I'd still advice for a small ADSL router if he wants to connect more than one box. Of course he can build a Gentoo router himself buying a very old machine and a bunch of ethernet cards on eBay :) Using a dedicated computer as router is not a good idea in Portugal, because power is expensive. I suppose that a router/modem is much less energy consuming, so buying one is probably a good strategy. Thanks. -- Jorge Almeida -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] moving to ADSL
On Wednesday 10 January 2007 16:15, Jorge Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] moving to ADSL': On Wed, 10 Jan 2007, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: Firstly, ignore those that want you to buy another piece of hardware to do something your computer is perfectly capable of doing. It's an unnecessary expense, and while initial configuration *might* be easier you'll pay later because that simple interface doesn't expose enough to allow you to effectively troubleshoot. I've been browsing the provider's page, and it happens that you have to buy a connection kit (not very expensive) as part of the contract. It includes a modem+router (Huawei ADSL 2+), so the choice is whether to use it or to buy something better... Well, I knew you'd need a ADSL modem. Some of these (IIRC ours even) can be configured to handle all the pppoe-ness and simply provide an ethernet connection. Depending on your service plan, you'll then simply run a DHCP client or statically configure your IP. This proved to be flaky on our model of modem, with the pppoe packages for linux more gracefully handling things. The other point is important, of course. So, if I understood correctly, the router is really a box containing a modem to deal with analogic/digital conversions and a router to allow connection to one or several computers. Right? I've seen the word router abused so much, it doesn't have a lot of meaning. It seems to be any piece of dedicated network hardware that understands any wire protocol above the physical and link layers. This includes everything from smart siwtches with L3/4/7 filtering and/or QoS to an ADSL modem that supports bridge mode. (I think ADSL providers don't want to use the word modem cause it makes consumers think slow.) And the interface via web is always OS-agnostic? Or should I worry that I buy a linux-unfriendly device? Most web interfaces are browser-agnostic. Occasionally you will see a firmware update page that only works in IE, but FF should be capable of handling most of the trouble interfaces. That said, we are using ADSL for part of our connection here and I believe we are having a Gentoo machine handle to pppoe connection. I'll see if I can't get your an actual configuration (minus passwords, of course) and send it to you privately so you have a concrete, working example of pppoe in Gentoo. OK, that would be usefull, whether I use a router or not. The pppoe software is on a box that only my roommate has shell access to. I'll talk to him when he gets home and see if he'll dump those configs for you. -- If there's one thing we've established over the years, it's that the vast majority of our users don't have the slightest clue what's best for them in terms of package stability. -- Gentoo Developer Ciaran McCreesh pgpFgnGLKniTN.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] pants
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Richard Cox wrote: I don't know.. Having PANTS=ON is purely optional in my environment. :) Damn. His system got probably raped. Now the system has activated some protections. - -- Arturo Buanzo Busleiman - Consultor Independiente en Seguridad Informatica ¿No sabés a dónde ir a comer o tomar algo? Visitá www.vivamoslavida.com.ar -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFpWxGAlpOsGhXcE0RAnfhAJ9yUvqC87A2WebYJ0mzoGn06oLvxACeL8Cb Zp9q7LqrSCqeqmUy0TzYNgE= =SS4L -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] gcc slots
On Wednesday 10 January 2007 09:12, Mick wrote: # equery list -e gcc [SNIP] [I--] [ -] sys-devel/gcc-4.1.1-r3 (4.1) Under /etc/env.d/gcc I see the same that gcc-config -l shows: [SNIP] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 292 Mar 30 2006 i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 356 Mar 30 2006 i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5-hardened -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 361 Mar 30 2006 i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5-hardenednopie -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 364 Mar 30 2006 i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5-hardenednopiessp -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 361 Mar 30 2006 i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5-hardenednossp -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 292 Jan 9 20:17 i686-pc-linux-gnu-4.1.1 [SNIP] /etc/env.d isn't under CONFIG_PROTECT by default (due to /etc/make.globals) so those files really should have been removed when gcc-3.4.5 was unmerged. I think the most likely cause would be if they were altered after they were installed. Either way they are orphans so as others have suggested it should be safe to just delete them. I notice that there are no hardened 3.4.1 packages, but don't know if it is relevant. It's irrelevant. -- Bo Andresen pgpBQAy4ShpWM.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] new runlevel
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 23:49:24 +0100, Arnau Bria wrote: I've created a new runlevel named Wireless where I'd like to configure my normal boot except network config, where I'd like to load net.rausb0 instead of net.eth0. But, every time I reboot I get both interfaces up, and I don't know why... Watch your boot messages to see when they come up. It is likely that udev is coldplugging them, which you can fix by setting RC_COLDPLUG in /etc/conf.d/rc. See the comments in the file or the discussions on this list earlier this week. -- Neil Bothwick The fact that no one understands you doesn't mean you're an artist. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] moving to ADSL
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: Well, I knew you'd need a ADSL modem. Some of these (IIRC ours even) can be configured to handle all the pppoe-ness and simply provide an ethernet connection. Depending on your service plan, you'll then simply run a DHCP client or statically configure your IP. So, the computer must have the IP (static or dynamic) assigned by the provider? Or the ethernet interface in the router has that IP and the computer a private one? And how about firewalling? I currently use Shorewall (with cable modem). Would the configuration be the same? (What I mean is: for the computer connected to a ADSL router, what is the outside world? The same that the router sees? Or is firewalling meaningful only at the router level and not at the computer level?) This proved to be flaky on our model of modem, with the pppoe packages for linux more gracefully handling things. That's something that's worth thinking about. Rather than upgrading a linux system, one is stuck with whatever comes in the box. And what is the OS inside? Some embedded linux, or something fishy? (And is this a reason to worry?) OK, that would be usefull, whether I use a router or not. The pppoe software is on a box that only my roommate has shell access to. I'll talk to him when he gets home and see if he'll dump those configs for you. Thanks. -- Jorge Almeida -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] moving to ADSL
On Wednesday 10 January 2007 17:20, Jorge Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] moving to ADSL': On Wed, 10 Jan 2007, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: Well, I knew you'd need a ADSL modem. Some of these (IIRC ours even) can be configured to handle all the pppoe-ness and simply provide an ethernet connection. Depending on your service plan, you'll then simply run a DHCP client or statically configure your IP. So, the computer must have the IP (static or dynamic) assigned by the provider? Or the ethernet interface in the router has that IP and the computer a private one? Depends on setup. Ours has (at least) two modes. In one, the router has no IP, just like an external modem on dial-up has no IP. The computer will have the external IP (static or dynamic) and need to run it's own firewall if you want one. In this mode it's acting just as a modem translating USB or ethernet onto the phone line. You are expected to run the PPPoE software on the computer. There is also another mode, where IIRC, the modem does all the PPPoE stuff, and the computer sees a standard ethernet connection. It then does DHCP or static addressing, just like a cable modem. And how about firewalling? I currently use Shorewall (with cable modem). Would the configuration be the same? (What I mean is: for the computer connected to a ADSL router, what is the outside world? The same that the router sees? Or is firewalling meaningful only at the router level and not at the computer level?) Again depends on how you set up the modem+router. This proved to be flaky on our model of modem, with the pppoe packages for linux more gracefully handling things. That's something that's worth thinking about. Rather than upgrading a linux system, one is stuck with whatever comes in the box. And what is the OS inside? Some embedded linux, or something fishy? (And is this a reason to worry?) Usually something fishy, although I'm sure there are linux models available. -- If there's one thing we've established over the years, it's that the vast majority of our users don't have the slightest clue what's best for them in terms of package stability. -- Gentoo Developer Ciaran McCreesh pgpKOYnIa2ycg.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] 3D games on AMD64 + ati 1900
On Wednesday 10 January 2007 19:22, james wrote: hello, I have my amd64 running glxgears at just under 2000 fps. However when I run bzflag, it crashes the X session. I ran accross this web page: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_AMD_64 Which suggest exporting is the key to get 3D games to work: snip Radeon 3D-acceleration in 32-bit programs Getting 3D acceleration working with ATI Radeon requires proprietary drivers and some 32-bit programs must be enabled with the correct GL-drivers setting. Before you run your game, you should export the proper LIBGL_DRIVERS_PATH environment variable: export LIBGL_DRIVERS_PATH=/usr/X11R6/lib32/modules/dri end/snip I have the ati-drivers-8.32.5 installed, but not this 'modules/dri' dir under /usr/X11R6/lib32/. Could this be the reason BZflag croakes immediate upon startup? Any suggestions or info is most welcome. James check this path /usr/X11R6/lib32/xorg/modules/dri also check isnt there in /usr/games/bin starting script martins -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] OT - Question about kernels and kernel patches
I own a copy of Win4Lin 5.0 for Windows 9x. I'd like to use it, but the problem is that the newest patch for SMP kernels that they offer is 2.6.11. I'm running 2.6.18-gentoo-r6 . I like the newer kernels because ivtv drivers that work with them are in portage, and I'm not sure drivers that work with 2.6.11 are still in portage. Not to mention I like not having to worry about alsa-driver (in the 2.6.18 kernel, kernel support for my sound card works; it didn't prior to 2.6.18.) I have the kernel source tarball for the 2.6.11 kernel, and I have the patches for Win4Lin for that kernel. Is it possible for me to unpack the kernel source, apply the Win4Lin patches, and then patch that kernel all the way up to 2.6.18? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] pants
* Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [07-01-11 00:10]: Richard Cox wrote: I don't know.. Having PANTS=ON is purely optional in my environment. :) Damn. His system got probably raped. Now the system has activated some protections. :- -- Daniel Vrcic -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: 3D games on AMD64 + ati 1900
Martins mar at ml.lv writes: snip Radeon 3D-acceleration in 32-bit programs Getting 3D acceleration working with ATI Radeon requires proprietary drivers and some 32-bit programs must be enabled with the correct GL-drivers setting. Before you run your game, you should export the proper LIBGL_DRIVERS_PATH environment variable: export LIBGL_DRIVERS_PATH=/usr/X11R6/lib32/modules/dri end/snip I have the ati-drivers-8.32.5 installed, but not this 'modules/dri' dir under /usr/X11R6/lib32/. Could this be the reason BZflag croakes immediate upon startup? Any suggestions or info is most welcome. check this path /usr/X11R6/lib32/xorg/modules/dri Hello Martins, This dir exists and contains: atiogl_a_dri.so fglrx_dri.so also check isnt there in /usr/games/bin starting script yes /usr/games/bin/bzflag when queried with the file command returns: bzflag: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped This is the first time I've tried to get 3d working with ati-drivers, so it's entirely probably it's something I did or did not do correctly, as the root of the the problem. ideas? James James -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] moving to ADSL
On 1/11/07, Jorge Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 10 Jan 2007, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: Well, I knew you'd need a ADSL modem. Some of these (IIRC ours even) can be configured to handle all the pppoe-ness and simply provide an ethernet connection. Depending on your service plan, you'll then simply run a DHCP client or statically configure your IP. So, the computer must have the IP (static or dynamic) assigned by the provider? Or the ethernet interface in the router has that IP and the computer a private one? And how about firewalling? I currently use Shorewall (with cable modem). Would the configuration be the same? (What I mean is: for the computer connected to a ADSL router, what is the outside world? The same that the router sees? Or is firewalling meaningful only at the router level and not at the computer level?) This proved to be flaky on our model of modem, with the pppoe packages for linux more gracefully handling things. That's something that's worth thinking about. Rather than upgrading a linux system, one is stuck with whatever comes in the box. And what is the OS inside? Some embedded linux, or something fishy? (And is this a reason to worry?) OK, that would be usefull, whether I use a router or not. The pppoe software is on a box that only my roommate has shell access to. I'll talk to him when he gets home and see if he'll dump those configs for you. Generally, at least In new zealand, users will opt for a USB/LAN attached external ADSL device, which runs @ about 30 watts, usually has both USB and LAN connectors, and has a generally usefull interface. In my experience, these modems run embedded linux installations running in about 8meg of ram/flash on a MIPS chip not much better than a P75, if at all better. Generally, these devices provide full DHCP, DNS,NTP, Port/Host based routing/firewalling etc, and all users are NAT'ed behind it. I have never honestly seen anyone using a PCI ADSL card, as in my understanding finding a card that worked properly was a problem, as well as many of them being soft modems, ie: offloading your processor to make it work in a very HCF-Dialup-Soft-WinModem-esque way ( ie: i was under the impression it was a nightmare to set up ) To the user of these devices, it appears on the network in both cases as just being another computer. In the case of the USB connector, at least in linux, it appears to act as if you had plugged in a USB network card which connects to that same computer. Generally, the modem handles all the potentially difficult nasties of gettting the PPP stuff underway, and you cant even tell what your external IP is unless you query the modems web interface. To the user, you can just be 192.168.1.50, and the modem can be 192.168.1.1, and the modem being the default gateway, and all the rest is handled by NAT magic. That said, i have one reason why I myself would like a box i crafted myself with a PCI modem in it, and thats primarily so i can implement routing, traffic monitoring and the like more configurably, and in my experience, some modems are often 'poxy' and can crash occasionally as a result of using bittorrent. ( I have the modem set to send its syslog errors to my linux boxes syslog and its full of MASQUERADE: No route: Rusty's brain broke! ) But most people IMO ( ESPECIALLY windows users ) should have an external ADSL unit. For those poor windows suckers at least then you -know- you have a reliable hardware firewall which isn't going to have a blatently wide-open hole in it which requires you running all sorts of crappy software which slows down your machine ;) Make your decision wisely :) -- Kent -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] struggles with SATA
Using an AsRock 939SLI32-eSATA2 motherboard and a Western Digital sata drive, I have been having alot of trouble. I found AHCI driver to work, at least detect the drive/partitions. I have had no end of problems. I had moved this drive from another machine w/ a Tyan motherboard, where it worked flawlessly. Most recently, it is impossible to write to the drive (at least alot of times): it causes what seems like a lockup. I cannot find anything about this. I compiled AHCI support into gentoo-sources-2.6.19-r2. I want to ask if some kind soul can point me in a useful direction? Alan -- Alan Davis, Kagman High School, Saipan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1-670-256-2043 I consider that the golden rule requires that if I like a program I must share it with other people who like it. Richard Stallman Every great advance in natural knowledge has involved the absolute rejection of authority. - Thomas H. Huxley
Re: [gentoo-user] struggles with SATA
On 1/11/07, Alan E. Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Using an AsRock 939SLI32-eSATA2 motherboard and a Western Digital sata drive, I have been having alot of trouble. I found AHCI driver to work, at least detect the drive/partitions. I have had no end of problems. I had moved this drive from another machine w/ a Tyan motherboard, where it worked flawlessly. Most recently, it is impossible to write to the drive (at least alot of times): it causes what seems like a lockup. I cannot find anything about this. I compiled AHCI support into gentoo-sources-2.6.19-r2. I want to ask if some kind soul can point me in a useful direction? I've suffered a lot of hell at the hands of SATA. I was experiecing what you describe, drive lockups, IO write drops, and even drive power-up-power-down cycling. But, i think after several months I think I've found it. My troubles started becoming more clear what they were when i turned on full APIC support in the kernel, which I had disabled at an earlier date due to weird nvidia+xcomposite=system failure issue, which appears to have been resolved. After i turned on APIC, i noticed dmesg started reporting drive add/deletes vaugely reminiscient of USB key plugging. So It dawned on me, that maybe, I finally had full SATA-HOTSWAP support working properly. So, I wondered why my drives were tripping hotswap events, and after a bit of mucking around, I concluded, that it was a loose cabling issue in the case somewhere. So I played around with touching various cables, and noticed with some of them, all i needed to to was -touch- the cable for the drive to do a nasty power up/powerdown jump, and then replaced some of my sata ( i had spares made by a different manufacturer ) cables, some of my sata-2-molex power adaptors, and have since found my problems have subsided :) So my advice, is give the cables a bit of a jiggle while the computer is running and see if you can cause a failure event to occur by doing so. :) ( As a side note, I now distrust SEAGATE SATA drives, they seem to run 10°C hotter than all my other drives ( Hitachis ) and seem to easily hit 60°C at which point they also start failing and having the SMART_ERROR_RATE being so huge it keeps going into integer overflow. ) Best of luck, I know how nasty it can be having drives jumping foot all the time. I have 4 drives. All SATA :P. - Kent -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] moving to ADSL
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 21:43:26 +0300, Jorge Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm about to switch from cable to ADSL anytime soon, and I'm trying to prepare the computer for the big change, given that there will be a time gap without internet access and that I can't expect any support whatsoever from the provider's staff. Of course, I can't do any testing... I see many advice to buy an external ADSL modem with built in router on this thread. I agree that it may be a good idea, but nobody (so far) had mentioned 4 subtile points: The firewall and router you get with an ADSL modem are essentially free these days. If you need more then what is in the router, nothing prevents you from building a box for traffic monitoring and advanced routing later. An ADSL modem with a router immediately provides you with a home network ready to be used with another PC or a guest notebook. Since changes to the PC configuration necessary to connect to an ADSL modem with a router are minimal, there should be no time gap without the NET, it should be a period when you have both ADSL and cable. You must check if your ADSL modem has a splitter. It may be built-in, coming with the modem, or you may have to buy one (dirt cheap) separately. -- Andrei Gerasimenko -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] moving to ADSL
On Thu, 2007-01-11 at 10:07 +0300, Andrey Gerasimenko wrote: On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 21:43:26 +0300, Jorge Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm about to switch from cable to ADSL anytime soon, and I'm trying to prepare the computer for the big change, given that there will be a time gap without internet access and that I can't expect any support whatsoever from the provider's staff. Of course, I can't do any testing... The firewall and router you get with an ADSL modem are essentially free these days. If you need more then what is in the router, nothing prevents you from building a box for traffic monitoring and advanced routing later. But they differ in terms of what 'abilities' they have. Some are 'gaming routers', some have capability to prioritise voip etc. But, all in all, you will lose some amount of flexilibility as opposed to using a pc (soekris eg:) as your 'router' and the modem only as a 'modem' Since changes to the PC configuration necessary to connect to an ADSL modem with a router are minimal, there should be no time gap without the NET, it should be a period when you have both ADSL and cable. I agree. All you need to know is the setup on how to setup the modem/router to log into your ISP and you're home free. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
