Re: [gentoo-user] NTFS free space disappeared
On 20 Sep 2008, at 18:36, Norberto Bensa wrote: On Saturday September 20 2008 11:22:21 Stroller wrote: NTFS file-systems written (created?) by Vista add some new & special features. Do you have more info on that? Any link? This Wikipeadia epic is nearly as comprehensive as some of the articles on chapters of the Warhammer 40k Space Marines: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS It seems I may have been mistaken - after a little search it's not clear to me whether its really unsafe to write to a Vista disk from XP. I think I'd check before trying to do so from Linux. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] NTFS free space disappeared
On Saturday September 20 2008 11:22:21 Stroller wrote: > NTFS file-systems written (created?) by Vista add some new & special > features. Do you have more info on that? Any link? Thanks, Norberto
Re: [gentoo-user] NTFS free space disappeared
Hello again [ 20.09.2008 19:13 ], Alan McKinnon : > [..] > I shudder to ask, but I will anyway - how many files? Any idea? I really don't know how many files may be hidden there inside that filesystem. It wasn't my box, just taking care of it few weeks. There are not mine data, so i must be sure before cleaning up partition. Bye -- Rafał (ert16) Trójniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jid : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG key-ID : DD681D47 749F E1DC A58F 9084 BBC0 797A 0691 53D6 DD68 1D47 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] generating HFS+ isos
Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, no. I just posted that he already looked at your website and > didn't see it. I guess you can make of it whatever you want tho. It > *seems* like you are putting words in my mouth anyway so . . . . The OP had a technical question and this question has been answered. In addition, the OP has been given an explanation on the background because I believew that he has the right to know about it. Could you explain me why you are tring to convert this thread into something that looks like bashing? Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How can I upgrade my python version?
Alan McKinnon ha scritto: That is very bad advice. Sounds like something a Windows user would say, and the OP did NOT say that his machine has not been updated for a year. He said it's a year old. haoniukun, there's no reason to reinstall the system. I've man times updated gentoo machines after 18 months or so. (In the hypothesis it has not been updated for a year). Yes, there is no *reason* in the meaning that there is no absolute need for it, and that everything can be fixed. But reinstalling can nonetheless be the fastest, safest, easiest alternative. I understand the Linux community has some taboo related to reinstalling as a mark of the "Microsoft evil", but we should just reason and take into account it as one of the possibilities to consider (the problem is that, in MS world, it is often the *only* possibility to consider). m.
Re: [gentoo-user] NTFS free space disappeared
On Saturday 20 September 2008 16:16:41 Stroller wrote: > I can't tell you how long this went on for - I am sure that less than > 100 food orders would typically be taken per day, so it would surely > have taken forever to fill even the c 6gig drives that were standard > at the time, but I have an idea that the software perhaps started > making repeated attempts to write the data files, resulting in more > empty files on the disk. > > In any case, you can imagine the results. Dialing in using PC Anywhere > over 56k was slow at the best of times - the GUI was particularly slow > once the machine ran out of disk space & pagefile, whilst deleting > these kazillions of zero-length files took several hours. Well I *did* say it was not impossible :-) See what I did there - I built a catch-all opt-out clause into my post so I could always be at least partially right, hehehehe I shudder to ask, but I will anyway - how many files? Any idea? -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] generating HFS+ isos
On Saturday 20 September 2008 18:24:04 Dale wrote: > Joerg Schilling wrote: > > Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> According to his previous post, he has already looked at your website. > > > > Well, then he would be knowingly spreading lies. Is this what you intend > > to tell me? > > > > Jörg > > Well, no. I just posted that he already looked at your website and > didn't see it. I guess you can make of it whatever you want tho. It > *seems* like you are putting words in my mouth anyway so . . . . If there is a god up there, he is going to stop this thread dead in it's tracks RIGHT NOW. Dale, did you miss the last one? Joerg, we went through this very very recently. It was not pleasant but you were given ample platform to air your views, and you used that opportunity. Most of us known how you feel, those who don't can search Google. This is not your list, it is gentoo's use support list. It is appropriate to discuss the usage of your very fine software here. Judging by the sheer number of requests you received the last time to stop, it can probably be safely assumed that discussion of the alleged crusade against free software by a Debian faction, and your counter-crusade against them, probably does not constitute a welcome discussion. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How can I upgrade my python version?
On Saturday 20 September 2008 16:44:09 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > haoniukun wrote: > > Dear all, > > > > I've just upgraded my gentoo system. > > I synchronized my portage tree just now. > > It was installed about a year ago. > > The python version is 2.4.4-r6. > > But when I was trying to install python 2.5, I've got an eapi exception. > > And the installation failed. > > And my portage upgrade is also blocked due to the bash version. > > How can I upgrade my portage? > > > > Any hint would be appreciated and thanks in advance. > > One year ago? I recommend a new install. If a Gentoo system isn't > updated for longer than about two months, hell tends to break loose on > the next sync. That is very bad advice. Sounds like something a Windows user would say, and the OP did NOT say that his machine has not been updated for a year. He said it's a year old. haoniukun, there's no reason to reinstall the system. I've man times updated gentoo machines after 18 months or so. All hell does not break loose, but you do have to look at the output and think about what you are doing. Your problem sounds like the python/python-updater/bash conflict from a while ago. It's trivially easy to get around. But for me to assist you I'm going to need the emerge output. With gentoo, always put the output you get in the support mail - because you are going to be asked for it anyway. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] generating HFS+ isos
Joerg Schilling wrote: Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: According to his previous post, he has already looked at your website. Well, then he would be knowingly spreading lies. Is this what you intend to tell me? Jörg Well, no. I just posted that he already looked at your website and didn't see it. I guess you can make of it whatever you want tho. It *seems* like you are putting words in my mouth anyway so . . . . Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] generating HFS+ isos
Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > According to his previous post, he has already looked at your website. Well, then he would be knowingly spreading lies. Is this what you intend to tell me? Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily
Re: [gentoo-user] generating HFS+ isos
Joerg Schilling wrote: Sebastian Günther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: BTW: You still did not proove your accuses about the copyright violations. And if you have proove, please submit it to It would help if you did not try to bend facts. I recommend you to read my website for the related information. Jörg Sebastian Günther wrote: BTW: You still did not proove your accuses about the copyright violations. And if you have proove, please submit it to gpl-violations.org. And do link or quote them on your infamous website. According to his previous post, he has already looked at your website. I quoted it above in case it slipped by. ;-) Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] generating HFS+ isos
Sebastian Günther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > BTW: You still did not proove your accuses about the copyright > violations. And if you have proove, please submit it to It would help if you did not try to bend facts. I recommend you to read my website for the related information. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How can I upgrade my python version?
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: haoniukun wrote: Dear all, I've just upgraded my gentoo system. I synchronized my portage tree just now. It was installed about a year ago. The python version is 2.4.4-r6. But when I was trying to install python 2.5, I've got an eapi exception. And the installation failed. And my portage upgrade is also blocked due to the bash version. How can I upgrade my portage? Any hint would be appreciated and thanks in advance. One year ago? I recommend a new install. If a Gentoo system isn't updated for longer than about two months, hell tends to break loose on the next sync. I seem to recall that he will have to go through the expat upgrade and a couple other challenges as well. I agree, a re-install may be wise. Save /etc, the world file and your /home directory. You may also want to save /root if you have anything in there, scripts etc. Depending on its use, you may need to save other directories as well. Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] Re: How can I upgrade my python version?
haoniukun wrote: Dear all, I've just upgraded my gentoo system. I synchronized my portage tree just now. It was installed about a year ago. The python version is 2.4.4-r6. But when I was trying to install python 2.5, I've got an eapi exception. And the installation failed. And my portage upgrade is also blocked due to the bash version. How can I upgrade my portage? Any hint would be appreciated and thanks in advance. One year ago? I recommend a new install. If a Gentoo system isn't updated for longer than about two months, hell tends to break loose on the next sync.
Re: [gentoo-user] NTFS free space disappeared
On 18 Sep 2008, at 21:00, ert256 wrote: ... /media/sda5 is ntfs mounted in rea-only mode [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media# df -h FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/sda5 31G 29G 2.3G 93% /media/sda5 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# du -h --summarize /media/sda5/ 19G /media/sda5/ I cannot fire up windows, because it is dangerous, and that windows on this machine is broken. Question is : Where is missing 10G on NTFS partition ? Can I safely clean disk without risk of data loss? This isn't a Vista-formatted disk, is it by any chance? NTFS file-systems written (created?) by Vista add some new & special features. You shouldn't write to the system disk of a Vista PC from Windows XP, for instance, and I suspect that Linux's support has not fully caught up yet. It's not clear from your post whether you want to get this Windows installtion back in commission or whether you're just worried that, in the process of backing it up, you might overlook some of the data on the drive. Best advice is to reinstall the o/s on a new hard-drive, copy all the files from this one into a folder called "Old Stuff" and hang on to the old drive for a month. During that time the user can rake through "Old Stuff" for their emails & photos, and once they're happy with the new system you don't have to care what was wrong with the old one. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] NTFS free space disappeared
On 20 Sep 2008, at 10:17, Alan McKinnon wrote: ... He has a 31G filesystem, df says he has used 29G worth of blocks and du says the total amount of data in those blocks is 19G. The difference is always file allocation slack, but a full third of the filesystem? It's not impossible of course. I don't know what the block size is on NTFS, but with 1k, you'd need 10 million files each 1 byte to consume 10G of slack. With 64k blocks it's something like 150,000 files. That's a whole lot of very very tiny files - not impossible, but highly unlikely in normal usage[1] My last employer sold tills & stock control software - running on the Windows 98 platform - to retail. One version of their till software involved writing out the value of food & drinks orders into little text files - of about 20 or 30 bytes - in a shared directory. A "service" on the server would poll the shared directories on a periodic basis, look for text files and - if present - process them before deletion. On one memorable occasion a "user misconfiguration" (a configuration which shouldn't have been allowed by the buggy software) cased the text files to be written out empty, and they thus went unprocessed. I can't tell you how long this went on for - I am sure that less than 100 food orders would typically be taken per day, so it would surely have taken forever to fill even the c 6gig drives that were standard at the time, but I have an idea that the software perhaps started making repeated attempts to write the data files, resulting in more empty files on the disk. In any case, you can imagine the results. Dialing in using PC Anywhere over 56k was slow at the best of times - the GUI was particularly slow once the machine ran out of disk space & pagefile, whilst deleting these kazillions of zero-length files took several hours. Stroller.
[gentoo-user] How can I upgrade my python version?
Dear all, I've just upgraded my gentoo system. I synchronized my portage tree just now. It was installed about a year ago. The python version is 2.4.4-r6. But when I was trying to install python 2.5, I've got an eapi exception. And the installation failed. And my portage upgrade is also blocked due to the bash version. How can I upgrade my portage? Any hint would be appreciated and thanks in advance.
Re: [gentoo-user] NTFS free space disappeared
Hello Thank You for all your help. There was knoppix launched, so i need to run M$ installation disk to check disk. There was couple of 'Unexpected reboots', so Filesystem may be a bit corrupt. I need to go to office, and do it over there, everything else i did remotely. I'll lunch Windows XP Installation disk, and run 'chkdsk /F /V'. After everything I'll write back. Bye [ 20.09.2008 12:09 ], b.n. : > Alan McKinnon ha scritto: > >> That's true enough, but I would still be mighty suspicious of those >> numbers. >> >> He has a 31G filesystem, df says he has used 29G worth of blocks and >> du says the total amount of data in those blocks is 19G. The >> difference is always file allocation slack, but a full third of the >> filesystem? >> >> It's not impossible of course. I don't know what the block size is on >> NTFS, but with 1k, you'd need 10 million files each 1 byte to consume >> 10G of slack. With 64k blocks it's something like 150,000 files. >> That's a whole lot of very very tiny files - not impossible, but >> highly unlikely in normal usage[1] >> >> It looks like that disk could bear some investigation, even if only >> for peace of mind. >> >> alan >> >> [1] I wouldn't be surprised if NTFS had some insane block allocation >> policy where this is quite common... or if MS has built some kind of >> hidden backup region (aka AllYouBaseAreBelongToUsFS) into the >> filesystem that is invisible to du > > He said the Windows partition is infected. Could have some virus > corrupted the filesystem? > > m. > > -- Rafał (ert16) Trójniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jid : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG key-ID : DD681D47 749F E1DC A58F 9084 BBC0 797A 0691 53D6 DD68 1D47 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-user] Re: NTFS free space disappeared
ert256 wrote: Hello I have some weird problem width NTFS partition in linux environment. I have Knoppix LiveCD on some machine, which i want to clean out. There was some virus and windows is unusable, so I'm copying data over network to other machine, but what is the point /media/sda5 is ntfs mounted in rea-only mode [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media# df -h FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/sda5 31G 29G 2.3G 93% /media/sda5 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# du -h --summarize /media/sda5/ 19G /media/sda5/ I cannot fire up windows, because it is dangerous, and that windows on this machine is broken. Question is : Where is missing 10G on NTFS partition ? Can I safely clean disk without risk of data loss? Thank you Run a 'chkdsk /F /V' on the disk. Repeatedly until you get no more errors. Pull the data you want to keep to another HD and then do the only thing that is able to reliably fix a Windows installation: Fresh install with a reformat of the partition.
[gentoo-user] Re: YouTube "HD" unusable with Flash 10?
Graham Murray wrote: Nikos Chantziaras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I'm using Flash 10_beta20080811. All high-resolution content on YouTube gives a "We're sorry, this video is no longer available." error. Can someone confirm? Here's a high-res video: The new version 10_rc20080915 seems to have fixed the problem. High-res videos on you-tube now display. Yep, just updated and it works now. Some sites still don't work (http://www.springwidgets.com) but this version is less buggy than any other version. Also gone is the half-a-second of total display garbage I was getting when Flash was starting. Too bad I hate Flash so much but still need it :P
Re: [gentoo-user] NTFS free space disappeared
Alan McKinnon ha scritto: That's true enough, but I would still be mighty suspicious of those numbers. He has a 31G filesystem, df says he has used 29G worth of blocks and du says the total amount of data in those blocks is 19G. The difference is always file allocation slack, but a full third of the filesystem? It's not impossible of course. I don't know what the block size is on NTFS, but with 1k, you'd need 10 million files each 1 byte to consume 10G of slack. With 64k blocks it's something like 150,000 files. That's a whole lot of very very tiny files - not impossible, but highly unlikely in normal usage[1] It looks like that disk could bear some investigation, even if only for peace of mind. alan [1] I wouldn't be surprised if NTFS had some insane block allocation policy where this is quite common... or if MS has built some kind of hidden backup region (aka AllYouBaseAreBelongToUsFS) into the filesystem that is invisible to du He said the Windows partition is infected. Could have some virus corrupted the filesystem? m.
Re: [gentoo-user] NTFS free space disappeared
On Saturday 20 September 2008 03:04:38 b.n. wrote: > ert256 ha scritto: > > Hello > > I have some weird problem width NTFS partition in linux environment. > > I have Knoppix LiveCD on some machine, which i want to clean out. > > There was some virus and windows is unusable, so I'm copying data over > > network to other machine, but what is the point > > /media/sda5 is ntfs mounted in rea-only mode > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media# df -h > > FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on > > /dev/sda5 31G 29G 2.3G 93% /media/sda5 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# du -h --summarize /media/sda5/ > > 19G /media/sda5/ > > I cannot fire up windows, because it is dangerous, and that windows on > > this machine is broken. > > Question is : Where is missing 10G on NTFS partition ? Can I safely > > clean disk without risk of data loss? > > Thank you > > du and df show different things. > There was a thread, recently, on the subject: > http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/user/170503 That's true enough, but I would still be mighty suspicious of those numbers. He has a 31G filesystem, df says he has used 29G worth of blocks and du says the total amount of data in those blocks is 19G. The difference is always file allocation slack, but a full third of the filesystem? It's not impossible of course. I don't know what the block size is on NTFS, but with 1k, you'd need 10 million files each 1 byte to consume 10G of slack. With 64k blocks it's something like 150,000 files. That's a whole lot of very very tiny files - not impossible, but highly unlikely in normal usage[1] It looks like that disk could bear some investigation, even if only for peace of mind. alan [1] I wouldn't be surprised if NTFS had some insane block allocation policy where this is quite common... or if MS has built some kind of hidden backup region (aka AllYouBaseAreBelongToUsFS) into the filesystem that is invisible to du -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Konqueror config window width
On Saturday 20 September 2008 10:32:26 Mick wrote: > Hi All, > > This is driving me up the wall and would love to find a solution: > > For some reason when I click on the Konqueror crypto configuration, using > my Fluxbox WM, the window that comes up is ridiculously wide. Something > like twice the width of my screen! I have to drag it to the left/right if > I want to enter data in any of the fields. I tried resizing it by dragging > the bottom corners, but it is not possible. I can only increase it's width > - which is the opposite of what I want. > > Have you come across this problem and how did you overcome it? No such problem here. Step 1 is to establish if konqueror or the wm is doing it. Have a look inside ~/.kde/share/config/* and see if there's any specific settings related to crypto and width. Then in the crypto dialog itself, do any of those fields have enough data in them that would make the window very wide if fully displayed? Finally, stop all KDE apps and rename ~/.kde temporarily. Restart konqueror and if the problem still persists, it's likely a wm issue. It's been a long time since I used fluxbox so someone else will have to help you there :-) -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
[gentoo-user] Konqueror config window width
Hi All, This is driving me up the wall and would love to find a solution: For some reason when I click on the Konqueror crypto configuration, using my Fluxbox WM, the window that comes up is ridiculously wide. Something like twice the width of my screen! I have to drag it to the left/right if I want to enter data in any of the fields. I tried resizing it by dragging the bottom corners, but it is not possible. I can only increase it's width - which is the opposite of what I want. Have you come across this problem and how did you overcome it? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] F'ing Idiots on IRC Re: A plea for calm
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 16:55:21 +1200, Mark Kirkwood wrote: Winner on what grounds? From the tone of the vast majority of his posts it would seem to be "he who posts in most vitriolic manner". Not commendable. I think you need to re-emerge life-humour/sarcasm LOL - I was meaning to agree with Davi Vidal's sentiments (yep - my sarcasm is installed ok!), but clearly didn't get that across clearly :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] F'ing Idiots on IRC Re: A plea for calm
On Saturday 20 September 2008 05:55:21 Mark Kirkwood wrote: > Winner on what grounds? From the tone of the vast majority of his posts > it would seem to be "he who posts in most vitriolic manner". Not > commendable. Do you really expect that, after all the lies, slander, FUD and personal attacks coming at me and my team from certain parties, that I should respond with all hugs and smiles? That's really quite unbelievable. Also, this thread was dead for over two days. Was it really necessary to bring it up again? But oh no, I'm sure I'll get the blame, because I'm "the only who still talking", and all the people who I'm replying to must be figments of my imagination.
Re: [gentoo-user] F'ing Idiots on IRC Re: A plea for calm
On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 16:55:21 +1200, Mark Kirkwood wrote: > Winner on what grounds? From the tone of the vast majority of his posts > it would seem to be "he who posts in most vitriolic manner". Not > commendable. > I think you need to re-emerge life-humour/sarcasm -- Neil Bothwick If ignorance is bliss, you must be orgasmic. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
