Re: [gentoo-user] GCC-4.3.2
On 04/03/09 10:34, alain.didierj...@free.fr wrote: Has one of you guys already switched from gcc-4.1.2 to gcc-4.3.2 and performed emerge system ? What gives ? Any problem ? Is it worth it right now ? Please tell... -- ~adj~ I just notice that there is a problem with CFLAGS -march=native on AMD64 I recompile my system using this new flag and have a lot of problems. an examples new xorg-server-1.5... would not compile, I switch back to my previous settings: -march=athlon64 and it compiled on first pass. So, now I'm recompiling the system with my old flag: -march=athlon64 :-/ -- Joseph
Re: [gentoo-user] [off-topic] RPM binary on Gentoo
On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 06:41:53 +0100, Mick wrote: How can I use this on a gentoo machine (I understand that it won't be maintained by portage). Use rpm2targz to turn it into a tarball, then unpack it into your root filesystem (after first checking the contents). -- Neil Bothwick I am neither for nor against apathy. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] KDE4 session saving
On Monday 06 April 2009, Andrew Gaydenko wrote: On Monday 06 April 2009 13:44:03 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Monday 06 April 2009, Andrew Gaydenko wrote: I have found it is possible to select a restoring of a manually saved KDE4 session. But have not found how to save :-) Help! ??? it is a big fat point in the kmenu on the 'leave' page between 'Lock' and 'Switch user' There are (in this order) menu items in my K-menu: Leave.., Lock, Switch User, separator. Magic... :-) that is strange - have you just moved your .kde3.5 dir to .kde4.2 so that an old config might hurt you?
Re: [gentoo-user] [off-topic] RPM binary on Gentoo
2009/4/6 Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk: On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 06:41:53 +0100, Mick wrote: How can I use this on a gentoo machine (I understand that it won't be maintained by portage). Use rpm2targz to turn it into a tarball, then unpack it into your root filesystem (after first checking the contents). Thanks Neil, is that the equivalent of running: yum install /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i386/packageXXX.el5.i386.rpm on RH? -- Regards, Mick
Re: [gentoo-user] What annoys you?
On Sunday 05 April 2009 21:45:16 Daniel Troeder wrote: When updates hit the portage tree, that are known to cause problems to lots of people - why not tell that directly after the --sync? Unfortunate timing here - within 24 hours the X11 upgrade included exactly this feature by way of eselect news! -- Rgds Peter
Re: [gentoo-user] gnome-terminal GNU screen
Steffen Loos schrieb: Ward Poelmans schrieb: Hi, I've got a problem running screen in a gnome-terminal: all the usual keystroks (for example: ^a c) don't work. When i press ctrl+a d, i just get a d on the terminal. Screen works perfectly when i start it in a xterm. I haven't got a clue where to search for the problem. Any ideas? I would assume gnome-terminal is eating your ctrl-a ;-) you can have a look on your settings with: ssty -a if ^A is set up to an action. By the way: on my host screen is working as expected in gnome-terminal. Steffen
Re: [gentoo-user] gnome-terminal GNU screen
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 12:20, Steffen Loos fe...@gmx.net wrote: Steffen Loos schrieb: I would assume gnome-terminal is eating your ctrl-a ;-) you can have a look on your settings with: ssty -a if ^A is set up to an action. Using ^Tt as the default works, so ^Aa is getting eating by somebody but i can't find who. stty -a gives: speed 38400 baud; rows 24; columns 80; line = 0; intr = ^C; quit = ^\; erase = ^?; kill = ^U; eof = ^D; eol = M-^?; eol2 = M-^?; swtch = M-^?; start = ^Q; stop = ^S; susp = ^Z; rprnt = ^R; werase = ^W; lnext = ^V; flush = ^O; min = 1; time = 0; -parenb -parodd cs8 hupcl -cstopb cread -clocal -crtscts -ignbrk brkint -ignpar -parmrk -inpck -istrip -inlcr -igncr icrnl ixon -ixoff -iuclc ixany imaxbel iutf8 opost -olcuc -ocrnl onlcr -onocr -onlret -ofill -ofdel nl0 cr0 tab0 bs0 vt0 ff0 isig icanon iexten echo echoe echok -echonl -noflsh -xcase -tostop -echoprt echoctl echoke I can see nothing about ^A? Any idea how i can find who is eating ^A? Thanks for the help! Ward
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Nvidia drivers and a Geforce FX-5200 card.
On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 10:16:37AM +0600, Mike Kazantsev wrote: On Wed, 01 Apr 2009 22:43:21 -0500 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: KH gentoo-user at konstantinhansen.de writes: Q: Why is top-posting evil? A: .backwards read don't humans because OK. Everyone that hates top posting please reply with a +1. I'll start. +1 No top posting please. I think that whole top-posting topic is getting just ridiculous in this list. Prehaps we should rename it to bottom-posting guidelines list, or something like that. I'm kinda bored of the please no top posting replies... Couldn't we ask the infra staff (or whoever runs this mailing list) to periodically send a guidelines message to all the subscribers, like it happens in other mailing lists. This way we could soimply ask top-posters to kindly follow the guidelines. --- TopperH http://topperh.blogspot.com pgpBW3qTsKqHj.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: What annoys you?
Wyatt Epp wrote: Greets, So while gearing up for the Summer of Code, I noted a lot of things that I had come to accept as normal that I feel should not be so. Things like the danger of depclean or the way portage will only show one mask at a time. So I was curious...what have people that are /not/ myself and my mate noticed that is mildly irritating and disruptive to the Gentoo experience? I just thought of this one. Sometimes devs love to change ebuilds without bumping them. That's annoying; a bug gets fixed and you don't know about it because emerge -u doesn't find any newer version or revision. It would be helpful in this case if emerge had an option to check if the installed ebuild differs from the one in the tree/overlays.
Re: [gentoo-user] gnome-terminal GNU screen
Ward Poelmans schrieb: Hi, I've got a problem running screen in a gnome-terminal: all the usual keystroks (for example: ^a c) don't work. When i press ctrl+a d, i just get a d on the terminal. Screen works perfectly when i start it in a xterm. I haven't got a clue where to search for the problem. Any ideas? I would assume gnome-terminal is eating your ctrl-a ;-) As workaround you can setup your own command-key in ~/.screenrc: escape ^Tt ... and ctrl-t will work as ctrl-a before. Steffen
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] KDE4 session saving
On Monday 06 April 2009 13:52:34 Andrew Gaydenko wrote: On Monday 06 April 2009 13:44:03 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Monday 06 April 2009, Andrew Gaydenko wrote: I have found it is possible to select a restoring of a manually saved KDE4 session. But have not found how to save :-) Help! ??? it is a big fat point in the kmenu on the 'leave' page between 'Lock' and 'Switch user' There are (in this order) menu items in my K-menu: Leave.., Lock, Switch User, separator. Magic... :-) Will anybody be so kind to tell me which runnable item is linked with that (missing in my K-menu) session-related K-menu item?
[gentoo-user] Re: [off-topic] RPM binary on Gentoo
Mick wrote: 2009/4/6 Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk: On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 06:41:53 +0100, Mick wrote: How can I use this on a gentoo machine (I understand that it won't be maintained by portage). Use rpm2targz to turn it into a tarball, then unpack it into your root filesystem (after first checking the contents). Thanks Neil, is that the equivalent of running: yum install /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i386/packageXXX.el5.i386.rpm on RH? No. It is equivalent to running rpm2targz on RH and them extracting the tarball to / :P It is equivalent to extracting *any* tarball to / for that matter. If you're familiar with ebuilds, you can write one that does all this so you can do emerge packageXXX to install it.
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] KDE4 session saving
On Monday 06 April 2009 13:44:03 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Monday 06 April 2009, Andrew Gaydenko wrote: I have found it is possible to select a restoring of a manually saved KDE4 session. But have not found how to save :-) Help! ??? it is a big fat point in the kmenu on the 'leave' page between 'Lock' and 'Switch user' There are (in this order) menu items in my K-menu: Leave.., Lock, Switch User, separator. Magic... :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Nvidia drivers and a Geforce FX-5200 card.
Momesso Andrea wrote: I'm kinda bored of the please no top posting replies... Couldn't we ask the infra staff (or whoever runs this mailing list) to periodically send a guidelines message to all the subscribers, like it happens in other mailing lists. This way we could soimply ask top-posters to kindly follow the guidelines. --- TopperH http://topperh.blogspot.com +1 That would be great. They could mention exceptions, those that because of their device has to top post. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] gnome-terminal GNU screen
Ward Poelmans wpoel...@gmail.com writes: I've got a problem running screen in a gnome-terminal: all the usual keystroks (for example: ^a c) don't work. When i press ctrl+a d, i just get a d on the terminal. Screen works perfectly when i start it in a xterm. I haven't got a clue where to search for the problem. Any ideas? I don't know anything about gnome-terminal, but it may be grabbing keystrokes. There is probably a config file somewhere in your home directory, or in a system directory that might throw light on the matter. Have you asked on the screen mailing list -- others may have run into the same problem. Roger
[gentoo-user] [OT] KDE4 session saving
I have found it is possible to select a restoring of a manually saved KDE4 session. But have not found how to save :-) Help!
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [off-topic] RPM binary on Gentoo
On Mon, 06 Apr 2009 14:41:43 +0300, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Thanks Neil, is that the equivalent of running: yum install /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i386/packageXXX.el5.i386.rpm No. It is equivalent to running rpm2targz on RH and them extracting the tarball to / :P It is equivalent to extracting *any* tarball to / for that matter. More specifically, it does not run any pre/post-install scripts in the RPM. There is an rpm package too, but this almost always fails because the RPM database shows no dependencies installed. If you're familiar with ebuilds, you can write one that does all this so you can do emerge packageXXX to install it. And there's an rpm.eclass to do some of the work for you. -- Neil Bothwick I've seen the procedure hundreds of times. - Qwark signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: GCC-4.3.2
Joseph wrote: On 04/03/09 10:34, alain.didierj...@free.fr wrote: Has one of you guys already switched from gcc-4.1.2 to gcc-4.3.2 and performed emerge system ? What gives ? Any problem ? Is it worth it right now ? Please tell... -- ~adj~ I just notice that there is a problem with CFLAGS -march=native on AMD64 I recompile my system using this new flag and have a lot of problems. an examples new xorg-server-1.5... would not compile, I switch back to my previous settings: -march=athlon64 and it compiled on first pass. So, now I'm recompiling the system with my old flag: -march=athlon64 :-/ -march=native is only useful if you don't know what to use. I guess most Gentoo users do know what to use. Why should I use native if I know that my CPU is athlon64 :P
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: What annoys you?
On Mon, 06 Apr 2009 14:52:05 +0300, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: I just thought of this one. Sometimes devs love to change ebuilds without bumping them. That's annoying; a bug gets fixed and you don't know about it because emerge -u doesn't find any newer version or revision. That's a bad ebuild/dev. The rule is that the ebuild is not bumped if the change does not affect the installed files, i.e. it fixes an installation error,because then you don't want to rebuild it if it's already installed. If the installed files are different, the ebuild should be bumped. One special case of this is that some upstream's update their packages without bumping them, so the ebuild does not change, only the manifest, but the installed files do. -- Neil Bothwick Yeah, but you're taking the universe out of context! signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] KDE4 session saving
On Monday 06 April 2009, Andrew Gaydenko wrote: I have found it is possible to select a restoring of a manually saved KDE4 session. But have not found how to save :-) Help! ??? it is a big fat point in the kmenu on the 'leave' page between 'Lock' and 'Switch user'
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] KDE4 session saving
On Monday 06 April 2009 14:03:43 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Monday 06 April 2009, Andrew Gaydenko wrote: On Monday 06 April 2009 13:44:03 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Monday 06 April 2009, Andrew Gaydenko wrote: I have found it is possible to select a restoring of a manually saved KDE4 session. But have not found how to save :-) Help! ??? it is a big fat point in the kmenu on the 'leave' page between 'Lock' and 'Switch user' There are (in this order) menu items in my K-menu: Leave.., Lock, Switch User, separator. Magic... :-) that is strange - have you just moved your .kde3.5 dir to .kde4.2 so that an old config might hurt you? No, I havn't.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [off-topic] RPM binary on Gentoo
2009/4/6 Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk: On Mon, 06 Apr 2009 14:41:43 +0300, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: If you're familiar with ebuilds, you can write one that does all this so you can do emerge packageXXX to install it. And there's an rpm.eclass to do some of the work for you. If you also have access to the source rpm, you can create an ebuild with the help of the above mentioned eclass which just takes care of the proper unpacking of the rpm source. You will find some information here [1] or directly in the eclass which is located in your portage tree in the eclass directory. [1] http://devmanual.gentoo.org/ebuild-writing/functions/src_unpack/rpm-sources/index.html -- Regards, Daniel
Re: [gentoo-user] [off-topic] RPM binary on Gentoo
Mick schrieb: Hi All, I have an rpm binary which looks like this on a RH machine: /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i386/packageXXX.el5.i386.rpm How can I use this on a gentoo machine (I understand that it won't be maintained by portage). Just emerge yum. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-user] Re: hal requires cryptsetup!? will hal work with loop-aes?
ABCD wrote: I'm not sure if you will need sys-fs/cryptsetup for your setup, but I think you may have gotten confused over the difference between USE and IUSE. IUSE is a variable set by an ebuild to tell portage (or your PM of choice) that this package supports certain USE flags. See ebuild(5) for more information. AH! Thank You!!
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] KDE4 session saving
On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 01:31:57PM +0400, Andrew Gaydenko wrote: I have found it is possible to select a restoring of a manually saved KDE4 session. But have not found how to save :-) Help! It just needs a relogin to show the option in the logout dialog, last time I tried it, it worked this way: - switch to restore manually saved session in systemsettings/wherever, no save this session appears in the logout dialog... - just log out of kde and log in again, now there should be the save this session option in the logout dialog... yoyo -- _ | YoYo () Siska === http://www.ksp.sk/
Re: [gentoo-user] simple firewall
Hi, gigli wrote: Hi I wonder if there is any easy firewall for gentoo. I tried ubuntu for a while and used their ufw, which was very simple. My needs: Block incoming traffic except for sshd and https (and sometimes bittorrent) and allow my lan to connect to my samba share, mythtv and mysql when i use openvpn or allways, which would be easyist. My box is usually protected by pfsense. net-firewall/firehol is a fairly light-weight iptables rule generator. You just have to specify which services to allow and in some cases protocol and portnumber for services unknown to firehol. Regards, Andi
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] KDE4 session saving
On Monday 06 April 2009 18:11:13 YoYo siska wrote: On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 01:31:57PM +0400, Andrew Gaydenko wrote: I have found it is possible to select a restoring of a manually saved KDE4 session. But have not found how to save :-) Help! It just needs a relogin to show the option in the logout dialog, last time I tried it, it worked this way: - switch to restore manually saved session in systemsettings/wherever, no save this session appears in the logout dialog... - just log out of kde and log in again, now there should be the save this session option in the logout dialog... yoyo Have tried (config dialog settings is attached), but after relogin still has 'Logout' and 'Cancel' buttons in log out dialog. attachment: sessionConfig.png
[gentoo-user] profile 2009?
hello, When I type 'eselect profile list' I only see 2008 options. Is there no 2009 profile yet, or am I remiss in my admin details? If it is late, then any ideas on when the 2009 profiles might appear? James
Re: [gentoo-user] profile 2009?
To my knowledge there are currently no plans to release a 2009.x profile. Profile updates are generally little more than changes to the default use flags. Partly due to new features in recent versions of portage and partly due to changes in the release engineering side of Gentoo (automated builds, death of the installer project), there's been no call for a new profile. AllenJB James wrote: hello, When I type 'eselect profile list' I only see 2008 options. Is there no 2009 profile yet, or am I remiss in my admin details? If it is late, then any ideas on when the 2009 profiles might appear? James
Re: [gentoo-user] profile 2009?
On Mon, 06 Apr 2009 16:07:19 +0100, AllenJB gentoo-li...@allenjb.me.uk wrote: To my knowledge there are currently no plans to release a 2009.x profile. Profile updates are generally little more than changes to the default use flags. Partly due to new features in recent versions of portage and partly due to changes in the release engineering side of Gentoo (automated builds, death of the installer project), there's been no call for a new profile. To follow the first question, what about a 2008.1 or 2009.0 gentoo release ? Xavier AllenJB James wrote: hello, When I type 'eselect profile list' I only see 2008 options. Is there no 2009 profile yet, or am I remiss in my admin details? If it is late, then any ideas on when the 2009 profiles might appear? James
Re: [gentoo-user] profile 2009?
On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 02:52:28PM +, James wrote: hello, When I type 'eselect profile list' I only see 2008 options. Is there no 2009 profile yet, or am I remiss in my admin details? If it is late, then any ideas on when the 2009 profiles might appear? James You shouldn't mind about that. A new profile is not what a new release is for other distros, but just a symlink to a profile. As long as there is no need for a new one, 2009.0 will not be released. --- TopperH http://topperh.blogspot.com pgpxKNuq4Q6q1.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] profile 2009?
Xav' schrieb: On Mon, 06 Apr 2009 16:07:19 +0100, AllenJB gentoo-li...@allenjb.me.uk wrote: To my knowledge there are currently no plans to release a 2009.x profile. Profile updates are generally little more than changes to the default use flags. Partly due to new features in recent versions of portage and partly due to changes in the release engineering side of Gentoo (automated builds, death of the installer project), there's been no call for a new profile. To follow the first question, what about a 2008.1 or 2009.0 gentoo release ? Xavier What do you expect from a new release? Was there ever a feature which was introduced with a release? Perhaps today there was gentoo-like release with getting xorg 1.5.3 stable. Cheers, justin signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] profile 2009?
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Xav' x...@linuxant.fr wrote: On Mon, 06 Apr 2009 16:07:19 +0100, AllenJB gentoo-li...@allenjb.me.uk wrote: To my knowledge there are currently no plans to release a 2009.x profile. Profile updates are generally little more than changes to the default use flags. Partly due to new features in recent versions of portage and partly due to changes in the release engineering side of Gentoo (automated builds, death of the installer project), there's been no call for a new profile. To follow the first question, what about a 2008.1 or 2009.0 gentoo release ? According to: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/releng/index.xml 2008.1 - cancelled really, a release of gentoo is kind of an imaginary thing. As long as you can use any Live CD from another distro and get updated stage tarballs, gentoo releases are practically daily :)
Re: [gentoo-user] profile 2009?
Paul Hartman schrieb: On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Xav' x...@linuxant.fr wrote: On Mon, 06 Apr 2009 16:07:19 +0100, AllenJB gentoo-li...@allenjb.me.uk wrote: To my knowledge there are currently no plans to release a 2009.x profile. Profile updates are generally little more than changes to the default use flags. Partly due to new features in recent versions of portage and partly due to changes in the release engineering side of Gentoo (automated builds, death of the installer project), there's been no call for a new profile. To follow the first question, what about a 2008.1 or 2009.0 gentoo release ? According to: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/releng/index.xml 2008.1 - cancelled really, a release of gentoo is kind of an imaginary thing. As long as you can use any Live CD from another distro and get updated stage tarballs, gentoo releases are practically daily :) Hi, there is a weekly release! http://gentoo.osuosl.org/releases/x86/autobuilds/ kh
Re: [gentoo-user] profile 2009?
On Mon, 06 Apr 2009 17:16:11 +0200, Justin jus...@j-schmitz.net wrote: Xav' schrieb: On Mon, 06 Apr 2009 16:07:19 +0100, AllenJB gentoo-li...@allenjb.me.uk wrote: To my knowledge there are currently no plans to release a 2009.x profile. Profile updates are generally little more than changes to the default use flags. Partly due to new features in recent versions of portage and partly due to changes in the release engineering side of Gentoo (automated builds, death of the installer project), there's been no call for a new profile. To follow the first question, what about a 2008.1 or 2009.0 gentoo release ? Xavier What do you expect from a new release? What i'm expecting from a new release is a new stage[1,2,3] tarballs with updated software. Actually, when i install Gentoo from a 2008.0 stage 3, there is many updates to deal with, and many more when going under unstable tree... A new release mean for me that the postinstall process to get an up-to-date and running Gentoo is shorter than with ageing stages. I know that i can build up-to-date stages from myself, but i'm thinking about those people who wants to start with gentoo and face too early with updating problems, that maybe can disappoint them to continue with gentoo. But it's just my opinion. Was there ever a feature which was introduced with a release? Perhaps today there was gentoo-like release with getting xorg 1.5.3 stable. Cheers, justin
Re: [gentoo-user] profile 2009?
On Monday 06 April 2009 19:50:02 Xav' wrote: What i'm expecting from a new release is a new stage[1,2,3] tarballs with updated software. Actually, when i install Gentoo from a 2008.0 stage 3, there is many updates to deal with, and many more when going under unstable tree... A new release mean for me that the postinstall process to get an up-to-date and running Gentoo is shorter than with ageing stages. I know that i can build up-to-date stages from myself, but i'm thinking about those people who wants to start with gentoo and face too early with updating problems, that maybe can disappoint them to continue with gentoo. Agree. New drivers for new hardware also can be needed to be able to boot after chrooting.
Re: [gentoo-user] profile 2009?
On Monday 06 April 2009 18:10:07 Momesso Andrea wrote: You shouldn't mind about that. A new profile is not what a new release is for other distros, but just a symlink to a profile. As long as there is no need for a new one, 2009.0 will not be released. Perhaps engineering should name the profile updates sequentially then. Start with 1 and increment every time something happens that warrants a new profile. As it is, the date-based numbering scheme leads people to believe there is some kind of mythical regular release'. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] profile 2009?
Andrew Gaydenko schrieb: On Monday 06 April 2009 19:50:02 Xav' wrote: What i'm expecting from a new release is a new stage[1,2,3] tarballs with updated software. Actually, when i install Gentoo from a 2008.0 stage 3, there is many updates to deal with, and many more when going under unstable tree... A new release mean for me that the postinstall process to get an up-to-date and running Gentoo is shorter than with ageing stages. I know that i can build up-to-date stages from myself, but i'm thinking about those people who wants to start with gentoo and face too early with updating problems, that maybe can disappoint them to continue with gentoo. Agree. New drivers for new hardware also can be needed to be able to boot after chrooting. Hi, I had been told the handbook shall be changed according so that people will be able to use the new weekly releases. kh
Re: [gentoo-user] profile 2009?
On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 05:55:16PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Monday 06 April 2009 18:10:07 Momesso Andrea wrote: You shouldn't mind about that. A new profile is not what a new release is for other distros, but just a symlink to a profile. As long as there is no need for a new one, 2009.0 will not be released. Perhaps engineering should name the profile updates sequentially then. Start with 1 and increment every time something happens that warrants a new profile. As it is, the date-based numbering scheme leads people to believe there is some kind of mythical regular release'. It looks like devs care a lot about PR and the buzz every release (is it a profile or a livecd) creates in the blogosphere... Here is an intersting article by a gentoo dev (darkside): http://blog.jolexa.net/2009/02/25/gentoo-yearly-releases-help-or-hurt-gentoo/ --- TopperH http://topperh.blogspot.com pgpJ8MMxZ8w9x.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: GCC-4.3.2
On 04/06/09 11:56, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: [snip] ~adj~ I just notice that there is a problem with CFLAGS -march=native on AMD64 I recompile my system using this new flag and have a lot of problems. an examples new xorg-server-1.5... would not compile, I switch back to my previous settings: -march=athlon64 and it compiled on first pass. So, now I'm recompiling the system with my old flag: -march=athlon64 :-/ -march=native is only useful if you don't know what to use. I guess most Gentoo users do know what to use. Why should I use native if I know that my CPU is athlon64 :P Well, according to gentoo recommendations it is not so: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Safe_Cflags ...GCC 4.2 introduces a new -march option, -march=native, which automatically detects the features your CPU supports and sets the options appropriately. If you have an Intel or AMD CPU and are using =sys-devel/gcc-4.2.3, using -march=native is recommended So, I suggest you make a correction to gentoo-wiki, as I suspect I'll will not be the only one who get confused by it :-/ -- Joseph
Re: [gentoo-user] profile 2009?
On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 07:55:39PM +0400, Andrew Gaydenko wrote: On Monday 06 April 2009 19:50:02 Xav' wrote: What i'm expecting from a new release is a new stage[1,2,3] tarballs with updated software. Actually, when i install Gentoo from a 2008.0 stage 3, there is many updates to deal with, and many more when going under unstable tree... A new release mean for me that the postinstall process to get an up-to-date and running Gentoo is shorter than with ageing stages. I know that i can build up-to-date stages from myself, but i'm thinking about those people who wants to start with gentoo and face too early with updating problems, that maybe can disappoint them to continue with gentoo. Agree. New drivers for new hardware also can be needed to be able to boot after chrooting. You are confusing profiles and livecd releases, that are different things. Profiles are just symlinks for a running installation, you can pick up one, or make your by hand. Livecd releases are updated livecds with updated tools. Personally I don't think gentoo developers should invest lot of manpower in releasing updated livecds, while they could improve the handbook in the chapter explaining hot to build gentoo from other livecds (systemrescucd, sabayon, knoppix, ubuntu ecc.). But this is my personal point of view. --- TopperH http://topperh.blogspot.com pgpevJTf6sz6E.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] OFS on Gentoo
Is there someone out there in Gentoo-land that is using OFS (http://offlinefs.sourceforge.net/wiki/doku.php). If yes did find a ebuild for it in some overlay or did you just download the src and compile? Regards, -- Dan Johansson, http://www.dmj.nu *** This message is printed on 100% recycled electrons! *** smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: GCC-4.3.2
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Why should I use native if I know that my CPU is athlon64 :P Are you sure your cpu is not athlon64-sse3? Look for pni in cat /proc/cpuinfo :-) Jarry -- ___ This mailbox accepts e-mails only from selected mailing-lists! Everything else is considered to be spam and therefore deleted.
Re: [gentoo-user] profile 2009?
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Momesso Andrea momesso.and...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 07:55:39PM +0400, Andrew Gaydenko wrote: On Monday 06 April 2009 19:50:02 Xav' wrote: What i'm expecting from a new release is a new stage[1,2,3] tarballs with updated software. Actually, when i install Gentoo from a 2008.0 stage 3, there is many updates to deal with, and many more when going under unstable tree... A new release mean for me that the postinstall process to get an up-to-date and running Gentoo is shorter than with ageing stages. I know that i can build up-to-date stages from myself, but i'm thinking about those people who wants to start with gentoo and face too early with updating problems, that maybe can disappoint them to continue with gentoo. Agree. New drivers for new hardware also can be needed to be able to boot after chrooting. You are confusing profiles and livecd releases, that are different things. Profiles are just symlinks for a running installation, you can pick up one, or make your by hand. Livecd releases are updated livecds with updated tools. Personally I don't think gentoo developers should invest lot of manpower in releasing updated livecds, while they could improve the handbook in the chapter explaining hot to build gentoo from other livecds (systemrescucd, sabayon, knoppix, ubuntu ecc.). But this is my personal point of view. Updated LiveCDs are released weekly along with the weekly stage snapshots.
Re: [gentoo-user] profile 2009?
Xav' wrote: What i'm expecting from a new release is a new stage[1,2,3] tarballs with updated software. Actually, when i install Gentoo from a 2008.0 stage 3, there is many updates to deal with, and many more when going under unstable tree... A new release mean for me that the postinstall process to get an up-to-date and running Gentoo is shorter than with ageing stages. I know that i can build up-to-date stages from myself, but i'm thinking about those people who wants to start with gentoo and face too early with updating problems, that maybe can disappoint them to continue with gentoo. But it's just my opinion. You need to have a look at Funtoo. ;) Be lucky, Neil
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: GCC-4.3.2
On 04/06/09 18:53, Jarry wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Why should I use native if I know that my CPU is athlon64 :P Are you sure your cpu is not athlon64-sse3? Look for pni in cat /proc/cpuinfo :-) Jarry Here is my cpuinfo; cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : AuthenticAMD cpu family : 15 model : 47 model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+ stepping: 0 cpu MHz : 1802.243 cache size : 512 KB fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 1 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt lm 3dnowext 3dnow up rep_good nopl pni bogomips: 3604.48 TLB size: 1024 4K pages clflush size: 64 cache_alignment : 64 address sizes : 40 bits physical, 48 bits virtual power management: ts fid vid ttp tm stc I'm runing 64-bit so in my case I think it will be Athlon not Sempron: CHOST=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu CFLAGS=-march=k8 -O2 -pipe am I correct? -- Joseph
Re: [gentoo-user] profile 2009?
Momesso Andrea a écrit : On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 07:55:39PM +0400, Andrew Gaydenko wrote: On Monday 06 April 2009 19:50:02 Xav' wrote: What i'm expecting from a new release is a new stage[1,2,3] tarballs with updated software. Actually, when i install Gentoo from a 2008.0 stage 3, there is many updates to deal with, and many more when going under unstable tree... A new release mean for me that the postinstall process to get an up-to-date and running Gentoo is shorter than with ageing stages. I know that i can build up-to-date stages from myself, but i'm thinking about those people who wants to start with gentoo and face too early with updating problems, that maybe can disappoint them to continue with gentoo. Agree. New drivers for new hardware also can be needed to be able to boot after chrooting. You are confusing profiles and livecd releases, that are different things. I'm not confusing profiles and livecd releases, and as i said before, i'm talking about gentoo releases, which i'm waiting to be a stage releases with up-to-date software. I know that livecd releases are not so important as you can use any kind of livecd to install Gentoo. Also, i have no knowledge about the profiles update background, so i'm not talking about these either... To conclude, i agree with you about livecd updates... To get back with releases, I'm waiting for releases a full well tested version of stage releases, as i don't agree with those saying that weekly stage build are good enough to have updated stage. Profiles are just symlinks for a running installation, you can pick up one, or make your by hand. Livecd releases are updated livecds with updated tools. Personally I don't think gentoo developers should invest lot of manpower in releasing updated livecds, while they could improve the handbook in the chapter explaining hot to build gentoo from other livecds (systemrescucd, sabayon, knoppix, ubuntu ecc.). But this is my personal point of view. --- TopperH http://topperh.blogspot.com
[gentoo-user] Re: What annoys you?
On Friday 03 April 2009, Wyatt Epp wrote: Greets, So while gearing up for the Summer of Code, I noted a lot of things that I had come to accept as normal that I feel should not be so. Things like the danger of depclean or the way portage will only show one mask at a time. So I was curious...what have people that are *not* myself and my mate noticed that is mildly irritating and disruptive to the Gentoo experience? Cheers, Wyatt aemaeth portage # emerge -a1 app-editors/joe-3.5 These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependenciest, !!! 'app-editors/joe-3.5' is not a valid package atom. !!! Please check ebuild(5) for full details. !!! (Did you specify a version but forget to prefix with '='?) ... done! aemaeth portage # emerge -C app-editors/joe-3.5 app-editors/joe selected: 3.5 protected: none omitted: none 'Selected' packages are slated for removal. 'Protected' and 'omitted' packages will not be removed. Waiting 5 seconds before starting... (Control-C to abort)... Unmerging in: 5 4 3 2 1 Unmerging app-editors/joe-3.5... * GNU info directory index is up-to-date. Why in some circumstances emerge is perfectly able to spot user omission and fill-in it automatically, while with other options it just complains? The inability to add missing = and the inconsistence annoy me. IMHO emerge should be able to add the equal sign when it makes perfect sense as it already does sometimes. Ciao Francesco -- Linux Version 2.6.29-gentoo, Compiled #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Mar 26 20:25:16 CET 2009 Two 1GHz AMD Athlon 64 Processors, 4GB RAM, 4018.42 Bogomips Total aemaeth
Re: [gentoo-user] profile 2009?
* Xav' (x...@linuxant.fr) [06.04.09 20:28]: To get back with releases, I'm waiting for releases a full well tested version of stage releases, as i don't agree with those saying that weekly stage build are good enough to have updated stage. A stable stage tarbar is not well tested? How can the testing be improved, but by running on half of the gentoo users PCs for what was it, 4 weeks? stable is stable and any snapshot should be stable. Sebastian -- Religion ist das Opium des Volkes. Karl Marx s...@sti@N GÜNTHER mailto:sam...@guenther-roetgen.de pgplNQd8qmhLP.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] profile 2009?
Xav' wrote: To get back with releases, I'm waiting for releases a full well tested version of stage releases, as i don't agree with those saying that weekly stage build are good enough to have updated stage. The autobuild stages are exactly what you would get if you installed a traditional stage 3, then updated to the latest stable packages at the time the stage was autobuilt. There's no difference to an old style stable install, except you have less updating to do (which means less potential issues). AllenJB
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: What annoys you?
On Monday 06 April 2009 19:53:51 Francesco Talamona wrote: Why in some circumstances emerge is perfectly able to spot user omission and fill-in it automatically, while with other options it just complains? The inability to add missing = and the inconsistence annoy me. IMHO emerge should be able to add the equal sign when it makes perfect sense as it already does sometimes. That is incorrect. Portage does not know what you mean so cannot fill it in correctly. When you attempt an install with a version number but without a comparison operator, portage does not known if you want a version greater than, less than, or equal to the stated version so it does not even try to guess; it insists that you tell it what you want. Imagine the bug reports if '=' was the default and users mistyped a = When unmerging a packet, there are only two sane options - all versions installed if you didn't specify a version - the exact version you stated, and only that one. So portage's current behaviour is correct. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
[gentoo-user] Re: profile 2009?
Momesso Andrea momesso.andrea at gmail.com writes: Here is an intersting article by a gentoo dev (darkside): http://blog.jolexa.net/2009/02/25/gentoo-yearly-releases-help-or-hurt-gentoo/ OK, I'll bite on these postings (Although my question was really about the profile...) 1. Where is the official discussion/instruction on rolling my own profile, since 'profile' as a gentoo supported file is deprecated? 2. I have a friend with a band new smoking amd64 tablet. Which instructions do I tell him to follow to install gentoo on his new tablet-gadget? 3. I have a very smart teenager who is willing to learn and struggle with Gentoo. I think he should use the systemRescue path to gentoo. Where are the instructions related to installing off of a SystemRescue media (usb/cdrom)? Where will he read about which weekly release for his old p3/4 hardware? Where to find old drivers? Use an older kernel to ease the initial installation? How is one handbook going to address new and old but usable hardware issues? Where do we find documentation and step by steps answers to 1, 2, and 3? Although I can slave my way through these issues, do we really want folks considering Gentoo, to be indoctrination in these undocumented realities? Do we just want to keep Gentoo as a distro for those of us too hard_headed to make things easier for new folks? After all I was looking for a simple explanation (which is part of several answers) to waz up with the profile dudes? With webkit,plasma, evdev, hal and other issues, it seems to me the basic (default) flags are changing, but, still no need for a new profile? And I get a plethora of statements about all sorts of related issues. Now imagine you are new to gentoo, and maybe not quite seasoned as an admin or hack. makes you wonder where the distro (weekly roll your own) is going. certainly no concurrent documentation is a key ingredient? So for 1 2 3 above, I should just wait until the handbooks is thusly revised; before referring friends to gentoo? James
Re: [gentoo-user] simple firewall
On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 12:24 AM, gigli gi...@swipnet.se wrote: kmyfirewall and others, didn't really like them. Something like ufw would be nice. The other day I filed a bug report for gufw [1], but there's no ebuild sofar. Liviu [1] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=264912 -- Do you know how to read? http://www.alienetworks.com/srtest.cfm Do you know how to write? http://garbl.home.comcast.net/~garbl/stylemanual/e.htm#e-mail
Re: [gentoo-user] [off-topic] RPM binary on Gentoo
On Monday 06 April 2009 14:30:55 Justin wrote: Mick schrieb: Hi All, I have an rpm binary which looks like this on a RH machine: /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i386/packageXXX.el5.i386.rpm How can I use this on a gentoo machine (I understand that it won't be maintained by portage). Just emerge yum. No, just don't. How do you expect yum to operate correctly without a gully populated rpm database? It will fail (as already said by another poster). Fact is, a portage system is in no state to deal with an rpm natively. It doesn't know what to do with it, doesn't understand how or where to get the pre/post install scripts and rpm does not know how to deal with portage file collisions. You are asking a user to run two package managers in parallel, both unaware of each other. This is suicide. Correct way: realize you are trying to do something no package manager is built to do. So, you do it manually. Convert the rpm to a tarball, extract it and do all install steps manually. It's a good idea to install the binaries to /usr/local/ or /opt/ - the correct place to put binaries unknown to a package manger (portage won't nuke them there) -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] revdep-rebuild quits at 21%
On Monday 06 April 2009 04:13:07 Joseph wrote: I upgraded to gcc-4.3.2-r3 rebuild system, world. The only package that did not compile was g-wrap. However, when I run revdep-rebuild it quits at 21% Does anybody know how to fix it? I tried recompiling gentoolkit; did not help. Error messages? Logs? Console output? Your question cannot be answered as all we know is that it failed. 21% is also meaningless - that just says revdep-rebuild was doing it's main thing and stopped. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] profile 2009?
On Monday 06 April 2009, Xav' wrote: On Mon, 06 Apr 2009 17:16:11 +0200, Justin jus...@j-schmitz.net wrote: Xav' schrieb: On Mon, 06 Apr 2009 16:07:19 +0100, AllenJB gentoo-li...@allenjb.me.uk wrote: To my knowledge there are currently no plans to release a 2009.x profile. Profile updates are generally little more than changes to the default use flags. Partly due to new features in recent versions of portage and partly due to changes in the release engineering side of Gentoo (automated builds, death of the installer project), there's been no call for a new profile. To follow the first question, what about a 2008.1 or 2009.0 gentoo release ? Xavier What do you expect from a new release? What i'm expecting from a new release is a new stage[1,2,3] tarballs with updated software. gentoo-mirror/releases/amd64/autobuilds/ for example there are weekly build isos.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: profile 2009?
On Monday 06 April 2009 21:16:08 James wrote: Momesso Andrea momesso.andrea at gmail.com writes: Here is an intersting article by a gentoo dev (darkside): http://blog.jolexa.net/2009/02/25/gentoo-yearly-releases-help-or-hurt-gen too/ OK, I'll bite on these postings (Although my question was really about the profile...) 1. Where is the official discussion/instruction on rolling my own profile, since 'profile' as a gentoo supported file is deprecated? A profile is just a list of stuff to be installed, plus some USE flags, plus some instructions as to what is masked out (sse on sparc for example) plus the definition of what comprises the system set. The docs (definition of docs used very loosely here) are man 5 portage as the developer docs (link at bottom of left side bar of front page on www.gentoo.org) 2. I have a friend with a band new smoking amd64 tablet. Which instructions do I tell him to follow to install gentoo on his new tablet-gadget? Do you really think something like that, brand-new, will even be remotely supported. That is beyond the bleeding edge, your friend gets to figure it out himself and write the docs for the second wave of users. 3. I have a very smart teenager who is willing to learn and struggle with Gentoo. I think he should use the systemRescue path to gentoo. Where are the instructions related to installing off of a SystemRescue media (usb/cdrom)? The handbook. But first he has to realize something: He has a running system when the SystemRescue boots, so set up a chroot and from that point on everything works as the handbook says. Where will he read about which weekly release for his old p3/4 hardware? Where to find old drivers? Use an older kernel to ease the initial installation? How is one handbook going to address new and old but usable hardware issues? What level of expertise does this hypothetical teenager have? Where do we find documentation and step by steps answers to 1, 2, and 3? There aren't any. Why: The user is supposed to already know those things. I think you are missing a crucial part of what Gentoo is. This keeps coming up on the list every few months and by and large, there's a great big elephant in the room. Let me point out the elephant: Gentoo is not for newbies. It never was, it never will be, and despite whatever anyone else says (or dearly wants to believe) it has always been this way. No amount of blogging or whinging will ever change this fact. First-time gentoo installers really do need a certain level or prior expertise, and that level is actually quite big. They need to be completely familiar with the executive summary of how to compile kernels, they need to know hardware well and know the difference between agp and PCIe. They need to be completely au fait with chroot and basic Unix tools like tar, rsync, wget must be almost second nature. The user especially needs to be real up close and personal with google, with log files, man, /usr/share/doc and --help. Analogy: installing gentoo is like getting your pilot's license for twin engine turbo props. If you don't already know how to fly single engine radial kites, you don't get to hold the stick. Period. There is nothing wrong with setting the bar at a suitable level for the thing under discussion - in Gentoo's case this happens to be high. Lower level users need to get going with Fedora/Ubuntu etc (who cater *exactly* to that market). Later, these users can dabble with gentoo if they feel up to it. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. But why should the devs and doc authors spend an inordinate amount of time covering all the bases on subjects that should already be known? -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] profile 2009?
On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 17:55:16 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Perhaps engineering should name the profile updates sequentially then. Start with 1 and increment every time something happens that warrants a new profile. As it is, the date-based numbering scheme leads people to believe there is some kind of mythical regular release'. That's a good point. Profiles used to be named like that, then the need to put dates on CD releases was perceived. Now the CDs are far less important, maybe we should go back to normal versioning for the profiles. The name for the current profile does indicate that it is not. -- Neil Bothwick Apple I (c) Copyright 1767, Sir Isaac Newton. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: GCC-4.3.2
On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 10:35:56 -0600, Joseph wrote: Well, according to gentoo recommendations it is not so: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Safe_Cflags Information on gentoo-wiki.com is not a Gentoo recomendation. Look at docs.gentoo.org for those. -- Neil Bothwick Anything worth fighting for is worth fighting dirty for. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: profile 2009?
James wrote: 1. Where is the official discussion/instruction on rolling my own profile, since 'profile' as a gentoo supported file is deprecated? I'll bite this one. Who said it was depreciated? If you want to see how important that link is, even tho it is a 2008 profile, delete that puppy and watch portage puke all over your keyboard. LOL I did this by accident once and it was interesting to say it lightly. James Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: GCC-4.3.2
On 04/06/09 21:07, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 10:35:56 -0600, Joseph wrote: Well, according to gentoo recommendations it is not so: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Safe_Cflags Information on gentoo-wiki.com is not a Gentoo recomendation. Look at docs.gentoo.org for those. -- Neil Bothwick If you have look for it more carefully you would have found similar recommendation on the official gentoo pages: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/distcc.xml I think the above page qualify as an official doc. isn't it? ...-march=native Starting with GCC 4.3.0, the compiler supports the -march=native switch which turns on CPU autodetection and optimizations that are worth being enabled on the processor the GCC is running at... So reading it, it seems to me the -march=native is recommended as well. -- Joseph
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: GCC-4.3.2
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Joseph syscon...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/06/09 21:07, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 10:35:56 -0600, Joseph wrote: Well, according to gentoo recommendations it is not so: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Safe_Cflags Information on gentoo-wiki.com is not a Gentoo recomendation. Look at docs.gentoo.org for those. -- Neil Bothwick If you have look for it more carefully you would have found similar recommendation on the official gentoo pages: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/distcc.xml I think the above page qualify as an official doc. isn't it? ...-march=native Starting with GCC 4.3.0, the compiler supports the -march=native switch which turns on CPU autodetection and optimizations that are worth being enabled on the processor the GCC is running at... So reading it, it seems to me the -march=native is recommended as well. That looks like a description of what -march=native is, not a recommendation. The recommendation is in the following sentences when they warn NOT to use it when using distcc in certain configurations (same as the wiki page).
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: profile 2009?
James schrieb: 3. I have a very smart teenager who is willing to learn and struggle with Gentoo. I think he should use the systemRescue path to gentoo. Where are the instructions related to installing off of a SystemRescue media (usb/cdrom)? Where will he read about which weekly release for his old p3/4 hardware? Where to find old drivers? Use an older kernel to ease the initial installation? How is one handbook going to address new and old but usable hardware issues? Where do we find documentation and step by steps answers to 1, 2, and 3? hi there is an alternative installation guid for knoppix which will work with sysR as well. its not that hard to find! kh http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/altinstall.xml
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: GCC-4.3.2
On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 14:28:40 -0600, Joseph wrote: If you have look for it more carefully you would have found similar recommendation on the official gentoo pages: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/distcc.xml I think the above page qualify as an official doc. isn't it? Yes. ...-march=native Starting with GCC 4.3.0, the compiler supports the -march=native switch which turns on CPU autodetection and optimizations that are worth being enabled on the processor the GCC is running at... So reading it, it seems to me the -march=native is recommended as well. There's no recommendation there, just a description of what it does. one of which changes the fact that gentoo-wiki.com is not endorsed by Gentoo and should not be represented as being official. -- Neil Bothwick If at first you don't succeed, give up. No use being a damn fool. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] revdep-rebuild quits at 21%
On 04/06/09 21:20, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Monday 06 April 2009 04:13:07 Joseph wrote: I upgraded to gcc-4.3.2-r3 rebuild system, world. The only package that did not compile was g-wrap. However, when I run revdep-rebuild it quits at 21% Does anybody know how to fix it? I tried recompiling gentoolkit; did not help. Error messages? Logs? Console output? Your question cannot be answered as all we know is that it failed. 21% is also meaningless - that just says revdep-rebuild was doing it's main thing and stopped. I wish I could provide more information, the cursor just seats there, there is no error messages at the console. Which log revdep-rebuild writes to? I'm rebuilding the system with the old CFLAGS so I'll have more information tomorrow. I used -march=native but I think my AMD64 didn't like it :-/ -- Joseph
Re: [gentoo-user] GCC-4.3.2
On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 00:02:21 -0600 Joseph syscon...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/03/09 10:34, alain.didierj...@free.fr wrote: Has one of you guys already switched from gcc-4.1.2 to gcc-4.3.2 and performed emerge system ? What gives ? Any problem ? Is it worth it right now ? Please tell... -- ~adj~ I just notice that there is a problem with CFLAGS -march=native on AMD64 I recompile my system using this new flag and have a lot of problems. an examples new xorg-server-1.5... would not compile, I switch back to my previous settings: -march=athlon64 and it compiled on first pass. So, now I'm recompiling the system with my old flag: -march=athlon64 :-/ Have you filed a bug? Since in a later message you say that you are not sure of whether you should use -march=k8 or -march=k8-sse3, it seems that in your situation -march=native is interesting. -- Software is like sex: it is better when it is free. --Linus Torvalds
Re: [gentoo-user] GCC-4.3.2
On 04/06/09 22:00, Jorge Morais wrote: On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 00:02:21 -0600 I just notice that there is a problem with CFLAGS -march=native on AMD64 I recompile my system using this new flag and have a lot of problems. an examples new xorg-server-1.5... would not compile, I switch back to my previous settings: -march=athlon64 and it compiled on first pass. So, now I'm recompiling the system with my old flag: -march=athlon64 :-/ Have you filed a bug? Since in a later message you say that you are not sure of whether you should use -march=k8 or -march=k8-sse3, it seems that in your situation -march=native is interesting. I'm not sure of anything, I'm getting deeper an deeper problems. I've almost recompile the system with -march=k8 and the last package gcc-4.3.2 wouldn't compile, the session got stuck so I kill the session and couldn't start the restart the emerge gcc as the emerge from previous session lock the portage or gcc. I boot from CD, chroot and tried to recompile the gcc but it has been compiling for over two hours and it can not finish, I think it is in some kind of loop mode? -- Joseph
[gentoo-user] Re: GCC-4.3.2
Jarry wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Why should I use native if I know that my CPU is athlon64 :P Are you sure your cpu is not athlon64-sse3? That was just an example. For my CPU I use -march=core2 :)
Re: [gentoo-user] What annoys you?
On Sat, 4 Apr 2009 13:31:35 +0200
Sebastian Günther sam...@guenther-roetgen.de wrote:
* Alan McKinnon (alan.mckin...@gmail.com) [04.04.09 09:57]:
emerge --lock some-package-some-version
I find this suggestion very good, and would like to ask the more
experienced participants, if such thing was thought of before.
I'm thinking about some options to freeze a system totally, servers
would like this, and some options to gradually move back from testing
to stable.
This is like what I've been working on for myself, keeping the convenience of
emerge world for ebuild revisions but not moving most packages to the next
version.
That was the thing that annoyed me in the last weeks:
a simple possibility to say: hold this packageversion until it is
back to stable.
So far, with masking the next major version in package.mask, all I've gotten is
‑rN ebuilds.
It's an ugly mess of scripting, but it did what I intended so far, that some
key packages will stay at current version for a while, some keep closer to
current offerings (or from an overlay, or whatever) and others won't register
at all every time I sync.
So I'm suggesting the following new options for emerge:
--freeze: hold this package version *and* revision
Mask anything '' current installed ebuild version.
--hold: hold this package version, but allow revision updates
This by masking '=' next version is what I did, but:
It'd be helpful to know for this purpose how the versioning of the release
corresponds to the ebuild. Like ${package_major_release_version_position} or
something. I don't *think* that's part of the spec yet.
--hold-til-stable: hold this package, until it hits stable, and then
use the stable version.
This should be doable.
--testing: set the ~x86 keyword for this package and necessary
dependencies
I think autounmask is for that, no? Never used it myself. Unmasking specific
versions is the trick, rather than a blanket unmask for a package. IDK how
that's handled.
If you move package.keywords you'll be offered a downgrade for anything not
stable, grep out the packages (formerly) in package.keywords from emerge -p
world to see if they are still unstable.
I know that this is done relatively easy for one package, but with
sets this can become a really powerful feature.
Haven't looked into sets, but it sounds great.
--copy-to-local: make a local overlay entry for that package
++
I would gladly help to implement this, but I did not read anything
about becoming a dev.
I *think* all you need is some way to read the caches and in your favourite
language make something that works. '-)
For example:
https://projects.gentooexperimental.org/eix/browser/trunk/doc/format.txt.in
For /var/cache/eix... and /usr/portage/metadata/cache is pretty
straightforward...
app-portage/portage-utils
small and fast portage helper tools written in C
qcache action args
: search the metadata cache
These tools probably could be incorporated into a set of scripts to run after
emerge and do things like you want. Since this is important to me as well, I
might just look a little further. ;-)
Cheers,
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[gentoo-user] Re: gnome-terminal GNU screen
On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 12:28:16PM +0200, Ward Poelmans wrote: I can see nothing about ^A? Any idea how i can find who is eating ^A? Maybe a gtk keybinding. You should check the keybindings everywhere in the menu bar of gnome-terminal. -- Nicolas Sebrecht
