[gentoo-user] gentoo as wlan-repeater...
Hi list, i currently live in an appartment that has a very lousy wlan-access-point for the people. There is an AP with dd-wrt and WPA2-PSK... currently i only have wlan at the window in the kitchen and my gentoo-pc which stands about 5m away from that does not even see the ap while scanning. As i also have a gentoo netbook, i thought about using this one as a kind of repeater for the wlan. Both have ath5k-cards, on the netbook i use wicd (as it changes the networks more often...) on the PC i hardcoded the access-data in wpa_supplicant.conf (as the ath5k is kind of interim-solution until our house is built and i will have real wired network there) Has anyone allready set up something like that? Which settings are necessary, is the ath5k able to be used as repeater (as it has to be client and ap at once...)? The alternatives are a old Fritzbox 7140, a Netgear router and 2 Fonera-Boxes (which all are packed in boxes and wait until the house is ready). So i really would prefer the solution with using the gentoo-netbook instead of the routers... Regards, Jens
Re: [gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty
On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 21:18:05 -0500, Mike Edenfield wrote: There is, but the file is called .version. The contents of this are appended to the kernel name when you have the relevant options set. There is no manual intervention needed. But I still need to create .version every time I compile a new set of kernel sources for the first time, right? That's what I'm doing now (localversion2 is a symlink to .version) Not AFAIR. I can't see anything in my build scripts that either creates or updates this file, it is created and updated automatically after each make. -- Neil Bothwick Capt'n! The spellchecker kinna take this abuse! signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: kde overlay is missing manifests
On 11/09/2011 10:43 PM, Aljosha Papsch wrote: 2011/11/9 Nikos Chantziarasrea...@arcor.de: What's happening with the kde overlay? All Manifest files are gone and I can't emerge anything because of that. The overlay uses new Manifest format. Read the blog entry: http://dilfridge.blogspot.com/2011/11/gentoo-kde-stabilization-and-kde.html Hmm, I am on ~AMD64, therefore using an ~arch portage, but I still get errors about missing manifests. I suppose I can't use the ebuilds anymore? I symlink directories to my local overlay, like: ln -s /kdeoverlay/x11-themes/oxygen-gtk /usr/local/portage/x11-themes What do I need to symlink now, and to where?
[gentoo-user] Where is the souce code of software?
Could anyone tell me that where I can find the source code of software on my system? Such as ls, cd .etc.
Re: [gentoo-user] Where is the souce code of software?
hi, i guess you're looking for ls /usr/portage/distfiles/ D 2011/11/10 Lavender lavender_mat...@163.com Could anyone tell me that where I can find the source code of software on my system? Such as ls, cd .etc.
Re: [gentoo-user] Where is the souce code of software?
Hi, Am Donnerstag, 10. November 2011, 20:46:28 schrieb Lavender: Could anyone tell me that where I can find the source code of software on my system? Such as ls, cd .etc. first you have to find out to which package the binary you are interested in belongs to, eg ~ $ equery b /bin/ls * Searching for /bin/ls ... sys-apps/coreutils-8.14 (/bin/ls) (If you don't have equery, install gentoolkit) Use the command emerge -f =cat/package-version to download the sources to your distfiles. (if they are already there, the command above downloads nothing) Unpack them to somewhere in your $HOME, done. Best, Michael
Re:Re: [gentoo-user] Where is the souce code of software?
At 2011-11-10 21:06:21,Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, first you have to find out to which package the binary you are interested in belongs to, eg ~ $ equery b /bin/ls * Searching for /bin/ls ... sys-apps/coreutils-8.14 (/bin/ls) (If you don't have equery, install gentoolkit) Use the command emerge -f =cat/package-version to download the sources to your distfiles. (if they are already there, the command above downloads nothing) Unpack them to somewhere in your $HOME, done. Best, Michael Thank you ,I think I misunderstood.
Re: [gentoo-user] Where is the souce code of software?
On 10 November 2011 21:06, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, Am Donnerstag, 10. November 2011, 20:46:28 schrieb Lavender: Could anyone tell me that where I can find the source code of software on my system? Such as ls, cd .etc. first you have to find out to which package the binary you are interested in belongs to, eg ~ $ equery b /bin/ls * Searching for /bin/ls ... sys-apps/coreutils-8.14 (/bin/ls) Humm , I guess he just want to look for the source code of gnu coreutils, just download the gnu coreutils. http://ftp.cn.debian.org/gnu/coreutils/ uncompress it , then you can find them all . (If you don't have equery, install gentoolkit) Use the command emerge -f =cat/package-version to download the sources to your distfiles. (if they are already there, the command above downloads nothing) Unpack them to somewhere in your $HOME, done. Best, Michael -- Yes, I use Debian GNU/L wolf python london(WPL) Do as you soul should do !
Re:Re: [gentoo-user] Where is the souce code of software?
Humm , I guess he just want to look for the source code of gnu coreutils, just download the gnu coreutils. http://ftp.cn.debian.org/gnu/coreutils/ uncompress it , then you can find them all . Ha, you're right. I don't know how to call them as you call them coreutils. I just want to study simple codes at beginning. So, thanks a lot !
[gentoo-user] Re: Looking at Sources
James Broadhead jamesbroadhead at gmail.com writes: You seem to be talking about doing a few different things, none of which is _quite_ what I'd call a code review. Well my experience is if you cannot hack the code a little bit, reviews of just reading and using parsing tools, are mostly benign in performing a solid code review ymmv. If you want to work on writing patches for it, then it doesn't make as much sense. Some times code changes rarely. Like minicom. There is no GIT or repository activity that amounts to anything. In general, with active projects, you are right. Much of what I'm doing is cleaning up old, neglected code, that most do not use anymore So basically, I'm advising you to check out from upstream's version control, work on your patching inside the checkout, perform builds, but don't make install. Run the test builds from your development folder (that way you can have $APP-nopatch installed and working system-wide, and can compare to it while you're testing). Once your patch is ready, create a local overlay + update the ebuild to apply your patch. Finally, file those bug reports! I have to delete much of your message to use gmane Anyway, I agree with and like your suggestions. I'm also reading some docs I found on overlays and gentoo development. I guess I'll survey all of the ideas and then mostly use what I'm use to, in a gentoo_ish approach. Thanks to you and Paul for posting. Yes, I'll post the patches somewhere. Some may not be appropriate for gentoo mainline. James
[gentoo-user] Re: gentoo as wlan-repeater...
Jens Reinemuth jens at reinemuth.info writes: i currently live in an appartment that has a very lousy wlan-access-point for the people. OK. The most important issue is the power (watts) output of the transmitter (and sensitivity) of the receiver. You can hack together fantastic software, that will not work well. Make sure that the hardware you select works with the softare(gentoo), before making a final purchase of hardware. Personally, I'd find out the maximum power wattage of what is allowed in your country, and go right up to the max allowed. An external antenna and a booster amplifier will really make your AP usable. It's also a magnet for hackers, so you really have to be on top of your (iptables) security game. You have to research these issues and then according to what hardware you find, what you can construct outside of your unit and what the laws/rules are for your (Rf_police) country. Here in the US, it's the (FCC). Each country has their own Rf_police, some do nothing and others are borderline criminal in Rf spectrum enforcement. Often the ISP's that dominate your local service market, are rather ruthless in not allowing heavy traffic thru your AP; so you have to assess the ferocity of your local ISPs, imho. caveat emptor. hth, James
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gentoo as wlan-repeater...
On 10.11.2011 16:48, James wrote: Jens Reinemuthjensat reinemuth.info writes: i currently live in an appartment that has a very lousy wlan-access-point for the people. [...] Hi... all you mentioned is really true... i don't care really much for the security as i don't provide the AP, i just want to connect to it ;-) i just want to make the signal - which is ok at the kitchen window - a little bit stronger, so my pc (about 3m away) can connect to it. I found some howtos about this issue (mainly debian) in which it ist described to split your interface in 2 virtual interfaces (wlan0:repeater and wlan0:ap)... You connect with wlan0:repeater to the AP of the WLAN and provide another access point via wlan0:ap... After this, you have to forward your traffic in both directions. Just wanted to know if this is going to work on a gentoo-box with ath5k... And how!? Simple iptables, or do i have to work out some bridging stuff? If i had to provide the main-access-point, i think i would have chosen freifunk or something like that, as the appartment is in the plain country, no houses around, even if some hackers try to connect, you would see every car, every person that is in the radius of 2km around the house ;-) And even if someone really manages to connect - so what!? There are as many court judgments which say you are responsible for ALL traffic via your wifi as the ones saying you are not! I have a legal expenses insurance... Aren't we all hackers? As long as german politicians think (and insist that) it's legal to install trojans on computers, i think it's legal to share my bandwith! regards, Jens
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gentoo as wlan-repeater...
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 10:48 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Jens Reinemuth jens at reinemuth.info writes: [snip[ An external antenna and a booster amplifier will really make your AP usable. A cheap alternative is a simple passive repeater. Cantenna pointed in the direction of the original AP, normal dipole deeper into the apartment, and some coax connecting them. -- :wq
[gentoo-user] app-emulation/virtualbox-modules and kernel sources
Hello everyone! virtualbox modules fails with the following * Messages for package app-emulation/virtualbox-modules-4.1.4: * Could not find a Makefile in the kernel source directory. * Please ensure that /usr/src/linux points to a complete set of Linux sources * Unable to calculate Linux Kernel version for build, attempting to use running version * Could not find a usable .config in the kernel source directory. * Please ensure that /usr/src/linux points to a configured set of Linux sources. * If you are using KBUILD_OUTPUT, please set the environment var so that * it points to the necessary object directory so that it might find .config. * ERROR: app-emulation/virtualbox-modules-4.1.4 failed (setup phase): * Kernel not configured; no .config found in # ls -l /usr/src/linux/.config -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 77090 9. Okt 19:25 /usr/src/linux/.config # ls -l /usr/src/ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 10. Nov 17:55 linux - linux-2.6.39-gentoo-r3 drwxr-xr-x 20 root root 4096 27. Okt 13:31 linux-2.6.39-gentoo-r3 drwxr-xr-x 23 root root 4096 20. Okt 15:14 linux-3.0.6-gentoo # uname -a Linux hostname 2.6.39-gentoo-r3 #5 SMP Sun Oct 9 19:25:51 CEST 2011 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q9450 @ 2.66GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux i don't get it. does anybody know whats wrong? thanks, jonas
[gentoo-user] Re: app-emulation/virtualbox-modules and kernel sources
On 2011-11-10, Jonas de Buhr jonas.de.b...@gmx.net wrote: Hello everyone! virtualbox modules fails with the following * Messages for package app-emulation/virtualbox-modules-4.1.4: * Could not find a Makefile in the kernel source directory. [...] # uname -a Linux hostname 2.6.39-gentoo-r3 #5 SMP Sun Oct 9 19:25:51 CEST 2011 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q9450 @ 2.66GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux i don't get it. does anybody know whats wrong? Presumably there isn't a Makefile in /usr/src/Linux? If you've done a make clean or something similar in the linux source directory (or if you've never built a kernel), you'll have to re-generate at least the files required to build modules. Try doing make modules_prepare in your linux source directory. The full story is in /usr/src/linux/Documentation/kbuild/modules.txt sectio 2. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! My Aunt MAUREEN was a at military advisor to IKE gmail.comTINA TURNER!!
[gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro
Hi, This is maybe a bit off topic but here goes. I want to install Linux on my brothers rig. The heat sink on the CPU is not much, OEM type. I don't want to install Gentoo because of that and it is a older rig with a slow CPU and not a lot of ram either. So, what is a easy to install distro that has KDE4, Seamonkey, gtkam, GIMP and such? I want something easy because I want to install and leave it be until he can get a new rig built. Then I'll be installing Gentoo for a more permanent install. I looked at Kubuntu, Ubuntu and tried to install Mandriva. Mandriva got to a point and just froze up on me. I tried three times and it did the same thing each time so no clue what is going on there. Ideas? Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro
On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:25:11 -0600 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, This is maybe a bit off topic but here goes. I want to install Linux on my brothers rig. The heat sink on the CPU is not much, OEM type. I don't want to install Gentoo because of that and it is a older rig with a slow CPU and not a lot of ram either. So, what is a easy to install distro that has KDE4, Seamonkey, gtkam, GIMP and such? Almost any general-purpose distro out there will have those. It really doesn't matter which one you pick so go with the one that has wallpapers your brother likes. Hey, seeing as the distro itself is not so relevant actually, you might as well pick any old arbitrary differentiator. Wallpapers are as good as any. I want something easy because I want to install and leave it be until he can get a new rig built. Then I'll be installing Gentoo for a more permanent install. I looked at Kubuntu, Ubuntu and tried to install Mandriva. Mandriva got to a point and just froze up on me. I tried three times and it did the same thing each time so no clue what is going on there. Ideas? Dale :-) :-) -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
[gentoo-user] how to get rid of kernel modules?
Hi, during testing I compiled kernel with some modules (make make modules_install). Now I deactivated module-support and compiled everything in kernel. Now, how should I clean all traces of modules? I know they are installed in /lib/modules/kernel. Should I simply remove that directory and that's it? Or is there something like make modules_uninstall that takes care of it? Jarry -- ___ This mailbox accepts e-mails only from selected mailing-lists! Everything else is considered to be spam and therefore deleted.
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:25:11 -0600 Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, This is maybe a bit off topic but here goes. I want to install Linux on my brothers rig. The heat sink on the CPU is not much, OEM type. I don't want to install Gentoo because of that and it is a older rig with a slow CPU and not a lot of ram either. So, what is a easy to install distro that has KDE4, Seamonkey, gtkam, GIMP and such? Almost any general-purpose distro out there will have those. It really doesn't matter which one you pick so go with the one that has wallpapers your brother likes. Hey, seeing as the distro itself is not so relevant actually, you might as well pick any old arbitrary differentiator. Wallpapers are as good as any. Thanks Alan. I'm downloading Kubuntu. I picked the CD version since I think it will have what I need. I wanted to install Mandriva since I have used it before and sort of know how it works but since it won't complete the install, gotta pick something else. lol The biggest thing is that I didn't want to have to compile a lot of stuff. I just don't like the small heat sink the CPU has. It might be OK for winders but compiling OOo for 12 hours may cause a heat problem. ;-) My brother has to have OOo too. Any tips or tricks on Kubuntu anyone? Sort of a basic 'this is how you update/install something for idiots' type thing. lol Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] Can I read a MacOSX FileVault disk from Linux?
I have a 5 year old Mac OS X laptop which died last night -- no lights, nothing, as if the battery and AC line were disconnected. There's nothing on it which is a disaster to lose, but there are some things I'd like to get off. Is it possible to plug the drive into a SATA (?) connector on a Linux system and mount it with some encryption loopback setup to get into my FileVault-protcted home dir? I do have access to a completely different Mac, and I could probably swap drives, boot, get the data I want, shut down, and restore drives, but I have no idea how well that would work. -- ... _._. ._ ._. . _._. ._. ___ .__ ._. . .__. ._ .. ._. Felix Finch: scarecrow repairman rocket surgeon / fe...@crowfix.com GPG = E987 4493 C860 246C 3B1E 6477 7838 76E9 182E 8151 ITAR license #4933 I've found a solution to Fermat's Last Theorem but I see I've run out of room o
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro
Am 10.11.2011 19:25, schrieb Dale: Hi, This is maybe a bit off topic but here goes. I want to install Linux on my brothers rig. The heat sink on the CPU is not much, OEM type. I don't want to install Gentoo because of that and it is a older rig with a slow CPU and not a lot of ram either. So, what is a easy to install distro that has KDE4, Seamonkey, gtkam, GIMP and such? I want something easy because I want to install and leave it be until he can get a new rig built. Then I'll be installing Gentoo for a more permanent install. I looked at Kubuntu, Ubuntu and tried to install Mandriva. Mandriva got to a point and just froze up on me. I tried three times and it did the same thing each time so no clue what is going on there. Ideas? Dale :-) :-) If you want something carefree for a long time, you might want to look at Scientific Linux. The name is a bit misleading. It is really just a very nice RHEL clone developed at CERN, FermiLab et.al. Bonus points for supporting their old versions till hell freezes over. Just install one of the auxiliary repositories to get media codecs and you have a full consumer distro with the stability of an enterprise distro. They also have a nice and knowledgeable mailing list. https://www.scientificlinux.org/ Regards, Florian Philipp signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-user] java java everywhere
Hi list, I've not been keeping up with the developments in the Java world, and now am getting a bit confused. Currently my computer is using the icedtea jdk, in fact, I am running icedtea-bin-1.10.4. Today, portage wants to [ebuild U ] dev-java/icedtea-bin-6.1.10.4 [1.10.4] [ebuild N ] sys-apps/attr-2.4.46-r1 USE=nls -static-libs [ebuild NS] virtual/jre-1.7.0 [1.6.0] [ebuild N ] dev-java/icedtea-7.2.0-r1 USE=nsplugin -debug -doc -examples -jamvm -javascript -pulseaudio -systemtap -webstart -zero [ebuild NS] virtual/jdk-1.7.0 [1.6.0] [ebuild N ] dev-java/icedtea-web-1.1.3-r7 USE=nsplugin -build -doc And apparently I have many different choices of icedtea: * dev-java/icedtea Latest version available: 7.2.0-r1 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of files: 65,904 kB Homepage: http://icedtea.classpath.org Description: A harness to build OpenJDK using Free Software build tools and dependencies License: Apache-1.1 Apache-2.0 GPL-1 GPL-2 GPL-2-with-linking-exception LGPL-2 MPL-1.0 MPL-1.1 public-domain W3C * dev-java/icedtea-bin Latest version available: 6.1.10.4 Latest version installed: 1.10.4 Size of files: 36,173 kB Homepage: http://icedtea.classpath.org Description: A Gentoo-made binary build of the Icedtea6 JDK License: GPL-2-with-linking-exception * dev-java/icedtea-web Latest version available: 1.1.3-r7 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of files: 791 kB Homepage: http://icedtea.classpath.org Description: FOSS Java browser plugin and Web Start implementation License: GPL-2 GPL-2-with-linking-exception LGPL-2 I figure that icedtea-bin is the binary version of icedtea, but (i) What is icedtea-web? (ii) Why the version jump from 1.10.4 to 6.1.10.4? (iii) Why is the -bin one major version behind icedtee? (iv) Do I really need to have so many different java things on my computer? Thanks, W -- Willie W. Wong ww...@math.princeton.edu Data aequatione quotcunque fluentes quantitae involvente fluxiones invenire et vice versa ~~~ I. Newton
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro
So, what is a easy to install distro that has KDE4, Seamonkey, gtkam, GIMP and such? I want something easy Well, surely Kubuntu would be a nice choice, but can I suggest OpenSuse? I installed it something like two years ago (I was curious) and I liked it. It has a well-done KDE implementation. Lorenzo
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro
Am Donnerstag, 10. November 2011, 21:04:46 schrieb Lorenzo Bandieri: So, what is a easy to install distro that has KDE4, Seamonkey, gtkam, GIMP and such? I want something easy Well, surely Kubuntu would be a nice choice, but can I suggest OpenSuse? I installed it something like two years ago (I was curious) and I liked it. It has a well-done KDE implementation. +1 there were some kubuntu versions with a really bad kde integration. I don't remember the details and afaik that has changed, but I never had any problems with OpenSuse. My parents-in-law use it and they seem to be very happy with it. Lorenzo Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] java java everywhere
On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 15:02:35 -0500 Willie Wong ww...@math.princeton.edu wrote: Hi list, I've not been keeping up with the developments in the Java world, and now am getting a bit confused. Currently my computer is using the icedtea jdk, in fact, I am running icedtea-bin-1.10.4. Today, portage wants to [ebuild U ] dev-java/icedtea-bin-6.1.10.4 [1.10.4] [ebuild N ] sys-apps/attr-2.4.46-r1 USE=nls -static-libs [ebuild NS] virtual/jre-1.7.0 [1.6.0] [ebuild N ] dev-java/icedtea-7.2.0-r1 USE=nsplugin -debug -doc -examples -jamvm -javascript -pulseaudio -systemtap -webstart -zero [ebuild NS] virtual/jdk-1.7.0 [1.6.0] [ebuild N ] dev-java/icedtea-web-1.1.3-r7 USE=nsplugin -build -doc And apparently I have many different choices of icedtea: * dev-java/icedtea Latest version available: 7.2.0-r1 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of files: 65,904 kB Homepage: http://icedtea.classpath.org Description: A harness to build OpenJDK using Free Software build tools and dependencies License: Apache-1.1 Apache-2.0 GPL-1 GPL-2 GPL-2-with-linking-exception LGPL-2 MPL-1.0 MPL-1.1 public-domain W3C * dev-java/icedtea-bin Latest version available: 6.1.10.4 Latest version installed: 1.10.4 Size of files: 36,173 kB Homepage: http://icedtea.classpath.org Description: A Gentoo-made binary build of the Icedtea6 JDK License: GPL-2-with-linking-exception * dev-java/icedtea-web Latest version available: 1.1.3-r7 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of files: 791 kB Homepage: http://icedtea.classpath.org Description: FOSS Java browser plugin and Web Start implementation License: GPL-2 GPL-2-with-linking-exception LGPL-2 I figure that icedtea-bin is the binary version of icedtea, but (i) What is icedtea-web? If you had actually clicked on the homepage link in the emerge -s output you posted, you would have seen in the very first bullet point right at the start of the page that icedtea-web is mostly Java Web Start (ii) Why the version jump from 1.10.4 to 6.1.10.4? Look carefully. It's not a version jump, just the addition of a 6. prefix. It's to bring the -bin package version into line with the source code version (iii) Why is the -bin one major version behind icedtee? No idea. You should ask the builder of the bin packages. The likely reason is that he hasn't gotten around to building it yet (iv) Do I really need to have so many different java things on my computer? Do you need to have so many different browsers on your computer? How about editors? Or for that matter why do you have so many coding languages available? How about openoffice? It's not so many, that's a ridiculous assertion. First you have a choice between iced-tea built from source or a bin package. Firefox and OOo do the same. Then there's icedtea-web which is a whole different package altogether, implementing Java Web Start (which is not the java language, the sdk or a jvm). So, if you want Java as implemented by iced-tea, pick between source and -bin. If you want JWS, then emerge that too. Did you even attempt to google this and find answers yourself? -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] how to get rid of kernel modules?
On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 19:51:04 +0100 Jarry mr.ja...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, during testing I compiled kernel with some modules (make make modules_install). Now I deactivated module-support and compiled everything in kernel. Now, how should I clean all traces of modules? I know they are installed in /lib/modules/kernel. Should I simply remove that directory and that's it? Yes Or is there something like make modules_uninstall that takes care of it? No -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, This is maybe a bit off topic but here goes. I want to install Linux on my brothers rig. The heat sink on the CPU is not much, OEM type. I don't want to install Gentoo because of that and it is a older rig with a slow CPU and not a lot of ram either. So, what is a easy to install distro that has KDE4, Seamonkey, gtkam, GIMP and such? I want something easy because I want to install and leave it be until he can get a new rig built. Then I'll be installing Gentoo for a more permanent install. Since you're already familiar with Gentoo, I would take a look at Sabayon. It's basically a binary Gentoo distro (and a gentoo overlay). It comes preconfigured just like ubuntu or others so you don't need to do anything, just install it and you'll have a working graphical desktop and lots of software. Super easy and all of the configuration is done Gentoo-style. They have GTK, KDE and XFCE versions to choose from. I've only played with it briefly in a VM and tried the LiveDVD on my laptop, but I believe you can even still use emerge and use portage like you would in Gentoo.
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: They have GTK, KDE and XFCE versions Sorry for my mental slip... by GTK I meant Gnome :) And I left out E17 as well.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gentoo as wlan-repeater...
On Thu, 2011-11-10 at 17:10 +0100, Jens Reinemuth wrote: On 10.11.2011 16:48, James wrote: Jens Reinemuthjensat reinemuth.info writes: i currently live in an appartment that has a very lousy wlan-access-point for the people. [...] Hi... all you mentioned is really true... i don't care really much for the security as i don't provide the AP, i just want to connect to it ;-) problem-low signal-solution:bigger antenna, directional antenna, antenna on the end of a cable, ... google home made 802.11 antenna for some cheap and usable ideas. BillK
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro
On Nov 11, 2011 5:17 AM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, This is maybe a bit off topic but here goes. I want to install Linux on my brothers rig. The heat sink on the CPU is not much, OEM type. I don't want to install Gentoo because of that and it is a older rig with a slow CPU and not a lot of ram either. So, what is a easy to install distro that has KDE4, Seamonkey, gtkam, GIMP and such? I want something easy because I want to install and leave it be until he can get a new rig built. Then I'll be installing Gentoo for a more permanent install. Since you're already familiar with Gentoo, I would take a look at Sabayon. It's basically a binary Gentoo distro (and a gentoo overlay). +1 on familiarity. We all know about your (Dale's) daily, um, 'adventures' with Gentoo. So, going Sabayon should be a relative walk in the park for you. We don't really want to tax other Linux distro's mailing list, do we? ;-) It comes preconfigured just like ubuntu or others so you don't need to do anything, just install it and you'll have a working graphical desktop and lots of software. Super easy and all of the configuration is done Gentoo-style. They have GTK, KDE and XFCE versions to choose from. I've only played with it briefly in a VM and tried the LiveDVD on my laptop, but I believe you can even still use emerge and use portage like you would in Gentoo. Indeed: http://wiki.sabayon.org/index.php?title=FAQ#Should_I_use_Sabayon_as_a_source-based_or_binary_based_distribution.3F Rgds,
Re: [gentoo-user] java java everywhere
Am 10.11.2011 22:01, schrieb Alan McKinnon: On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 15:02:35 -0500 Willie Wong ww...@math.princeton.edu wrote: Hi list, I've not been keeping up with the developments in the Java world, and now am getting a bit confused. Currently my computer is using the icedtea jdk, in fact, I am running icedtea-bin-1.10.4. Today, portage wants to [ebuild U ] dev-java/icedtea-bin-6.1.10.4 [1.10.4] [ebuild N ] sys-apps/attr-2.4.46-r1 USE=nls -static-libs [ebuild NS] virtual/jre-1.7.0 [1.6.0] [ebuild N ] dev-java/icedtea-7.2.0-r1 USE=nsplugin -debug -doc -examples -jamvm -javascript -pulseaudio -systemtap -webstart -zero [ebuild NS] virtual/jdk-1.7.0 [1.6.0] [ebuild N ] dev-java/icedtea-web-1.1.3-r7 USE=nsplugin -build -doc [...] I figure that icedtea-bin is the binary version of icedtea, but (i) What is icedtea-web? If you had actually clicked on the homepage link in the emerge -s output you posted, you would have seen in the very first bullet point right at the start of the page that icedtea-web is mostly Java Web Start (ii) Why the version jump from 1.10.4 to 6.1.10.4? Look carefully. It's not a version jump, just the addition of a 6. prefix. It's to bring the -bin package version into line with the source code version (iii) Why is the -bin one major version behind icedtee? No idea. You should ask the builder of the bin packages. The likely reason is that he hasn't gotten around to building it yet Or maybe the build system is stable enough for general use. If someone can share some experience with the source build, I'd like to hear about it. (iv) Do I really need to have so many different java things on my computer? Do you need to have so many different browsers on your computer? How about editors? Or for that matter why do you have so many coding languages available? How about openoffice? It's not so many, that's a ridiculous assertion. First you have a choice between iced-tea built from source or a bin package. Firefox and OOo do the same. Then there's icedtea-web which is a whole different package altogether, implementing Java Web Start (which is not the java language, the sdk or a jvm). So, if you want Java as implemented by iced-tea, pick between source and -bin. If you want JWS, then emerge that too. Did you even attempt to google this and find answers yourself? Well, while Willie picks himself up after being slammed like this (Had bad day, Alan?), I might add that the only reason why portage wants to emerge icedtea and icedtea-bin is that apparently virtual/jre:1.7 has been keyworded. On a stable system, this should not happen. At least for me, it still reads KEYWORDS=~amd64 ~x86 Regards, Florian Philipp signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] java java everywhere
Am 11.11.2011 00:00, schrieb Florian Philipp: Am 10.11.2011 22:01, schrieb Alan McKinnon: On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 15:02:35 -0500 Willie Wong ww...@math.princeton.edu wrote: Hi list, I've not been keeping up with the developments in the Java world, and now am getting a bit confused. Currently my computer is using the icedtea jdk, in fact, I am running icedtea-bin-1.10.4. Today, portage wants to [ebuild U ] dev-java/icedtea-bin-6.1.10.4 [1.10.4] [ebuild N ] sys-apps/attr-2.4.46-r1 USE=nls -static-libs [ebuild NS] virtual/jre-1.7.0 [1.6.0] [ebuild N ] dev-java/icedtea-7.2.0-r1 USE=nsplugin -debug -doc -examples -jamvm -javascript -pulseaudio -systemtap -webstart -zero [ebuild NS] virtual/jdk-1.7.0 [1.6.0] [ebuild N ] dev-java/icedtea-web-1.1.3-r7 USE=nsplugin -build -doc [...] I figure that icedtea-bin is the binary version of icedtea, but (i) What is icedtea-web? If you had actually clicked on the homepage link in the emerge -s output you posted, you would have seen in the very first bullet point right at the start of the page that icedtea-web is mostly Java Web Start (ii) Why the version jump from 1.10.4 to 6.1.10.4? Look carefully. It's not a version jump, just the addition of a 6. prefix. It's to bring the -bin package version into line with the source code version (iii) Why is the -bin one major version behind icedtee? No idea. You should ask the builder of the bin packages. The likely reason is that he hasn't gotten around to building it yet Or maybe the build system is stable enough for general use. If someone can share some experience with the source build, I'd like to hear about it. The build system of the source build, of course. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-user] Re: kde overlay is missing manifests
On 11/10/2011 12:30 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 11/09/2011 10:43 PM, Aljosha Papsch wrote: 2011/11/9 Nikos Chantziarasrea...@arcor.de: What's happening with the kde overlay? All Manifest files are gone and I can't emerge anything because of that. The overlay uses new Manifest format. Read the blog entry: http://dilfridge.blogspot.com/2011/11/gentoo-kde-stabilization-and-kde.html Hmm, I am on ~AMD64, therefore using an ~arch portage, but I still get errors about missing manifests. I suppose I can't use the ebuilds anymore? I symlink directories to my local overlay, like: ln -s /kdeoverlay/x11-themes/oxygen-gtk /usr/local/portage/x11-themes What do I need to symlink now, and to where? OK, figured it out. I need to create /usr/local/portage/metadata/layout.conf and put this in it: thin-manifests = true Then it works again. I've no idea what effects this will have on the other ebuilds in my local overlay though.
Re: [gentoo-user] how to get rid of kernel modules?
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 07:51:04PM +0100, Jarry wrote Hi, during testing I compiled kernel with some modules (make make modules_install). Now I deactivated module-support and compiled everything in kernel. On this very same topic, there's one module I can't seem to get rid of. At the end of every make, I see stuff like... Kernel: arch/x86/boot/bzImage is ready (#2) Building modules, stage 2. MODPOST 1 modules CC drivers/scsi/scsi_wait_scan.mod.o LD [M] drivers/scsi/scsi_wait_scan.ko Then make modules_install spits out... [i3][root][/usr/src/linux] make modules_install INSTALL drivers/scsi/scsi_wait_scan.ko DEPMOD 2.6.39-gentoo-r3 *BUT*, it doesn't seem to be running... [i3][root][/usr/src/linux] lsmod Module Size Used by I can't seem to find where in the make menuconfig process it's selected. I don't want to edit my .config directly. What gives? -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org
[gentoo-user] Re: how to get rid of kernel modules?
On 11/11/2011 04:16 AM, Walter Dnes wrote: On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 07:51:04PM +0100, Jarry wrote Hi, during testing I compiled kernel with some modules (make make modules_install). Now I deactivated module-support and compiled everything in kernel. On this very same topic, there's one module I can't seem to get rid of. At the end of every make, I see stuff like... Kernel: arch/x86/boot/bzImage is ready (#2) Building modules, stage 2. MODPOST 1 modules CC drivers/scsi/scsi_wait_scan.mod.o LD [M] drivers/scsi/scsi_wait_scan.ko Then make modules_install spits out... [i3][root][/usr/src/linux] make modules_install INSTALL drivers/scsi/scsi_wait_scan.ko DEPMOD 2.6.39-gentoo-r3 *BUT*, it doesn't seem to be running... [i3][root][/usr/src/linux] lsmod Module Size Used by I can't seem to find where in the make menuconfig process it's selected. I don't want to edit my .config directly. What gives? This module cannot be disabled. The function of this module is a bit special and unlike other modules. Its job is to stall the boot process of the kernel until the SCSI drivers have finished scanning all their buses. That's the only thing this module does. It's not a driver and does not offer any kind of functionality; it's just a handbrake, and when that job is finished (SCSI drivers finished scanning) it's no longer needed. It is used by initrd scripts. If you don't use modules in initrd, then this module is not used at all. Also, it *needs* to be loaded as a module and can't be built into the kernel, since it stalls the boot process as soon as its loaded. It cannot be disabled. This is a conscious decision by upstream and not an oversight. The rationale is that there's nothing to gain by disabling it while it can be vital for people using initrd. So short answer: ignore it. Or simply delete it.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: how to get rid of kernel modules?
On Nov 11, 2011 11:02 AM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote: On 11/11/2011 04:16 AM, Walter Dnes wrote: On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 07:51:04PM +0100, Jarry wrote Hi, during testing I compiled kernel with some modules (make make modules_install). Now I deactivated module-support and compiled everything in kernel. On this very same topic, there's one module I can't seem to get rid of. At the end of every make, I see stuff like... Kernel: arch/x86/boot/bzImage is ready (#2) Building modules, stage 2. MODPOST 1 modules CC drivers/scsi/scsi_wait_scan.mod.o LD [M] drivers/scsi/scsi_wait_scan.ko Then make modules_install spits out... [i3][root][/usr/src/linux] make modules_install INSTALL drivers/scsi/scsi_wait_scan.ko DEPMOD 2.6.39-gentoo-r3 *BUT*, it doesn't seem to be running... [i3][root][/usr/src/linux] lsmod Module Size Used by I can't seem to find where in the make menuconfig process it's selected. I don't want to edit my .config directly. What gives? This module cannot be disabled. The function of this module is a bit special and unlike other modules. Its job is to stall the boot process of the kernel until the SCSI drivers have finished scanning all their buses. That's the only thing this module does. It's not a driver and does not offer any kind of functionality; it's just a handbrake, and when that job is finished (SCSI drivers finished scanning) it's no longer needed. It is used by initrd scripts. If you don't use modules in initrd, then this module is not used at all. Also, it *needs* to be loaded as a module and can't be built into the kernel, since it stalls the boot process as soon as its loaded. It cannot be disabled. This is a conscious decision by upstream and not an oversight. The rationale is that there's nothing to gain by disabling it while it can be vital for people using initrd. So short answer: ignore it. Or simply delete it. Isn't there a selection in make menuconfig asynchronous scsi scan (or something like that)? Rgds,
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gentoo as wlan-repeater...
On 10.11.2011 23:24, William Kenworthy wrote: On Thu, 2011-11-10 at 17:10 +0100, Jens Reinemuth wrote: On 10.11.2011 16:48, James wrote: Jens Reinemuthjensat reinemuth.info writes: i currently live in an appartment that has a very lousy wlan-access-point for the people. [...] Hi... all you mentioned is really true... i don't care really much for the security as i don't provide the AP, i just want to connect to it ;-) problem-low signal-solution:bigger antenna, directional antenna, antenna on the end of a cable, ... google home made 802.11 antenna for some cheap and usable ideas. BillK Hi... that are great ideas, but i don't have physical access to the router! i am just living there... No ideas how to solve that via software? Currently i am downloading zeroshell, which seems to be able to build up repeaters very easily, but i would like to do it in gentoo... i really only need to repeat the signal for about 3 more meters... Jens
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro
On Thu, November 10, 2011 8:03 pm, Dale wrote: SNIPPED Any tips or tricks on Kubuntu anyone? Sort of a basic 'this is how you update/install something for idiots' type thing. lol I think Sabayon would be a better option, but if you really want to go with *buntu/debian: - Install X # sudo apt-get install X - Update repository: # sudo apt-get update - Upgrade system: # sudo apt-get upgrade For major upgrades, you need to change to a different repository or something like that. I installed Gentoo on my netbook as I got really annoyed with the dodgy way ubuntu deals with this. -- Joost
