Re: [gentoo-user] Makeing /dev/rtc1 accessible as soon as possible - how?
William Kenworthy [13-08-25 06:32]: > or if you have an initramfs do it there before control is passed to the > OS. You may also be able to set rtc0 to the current time in the > initramfs as well. > > BillK > > > > On 25/08/13 12:18, Mark David Dumlao wrote: > > Which runlevel did you put your script on? > > You probably want it on sysinit, rather than default. > > > > Also, you can put rc_before= and rc_after= in the corresponding > > /etc/conf.d/ file and make sure it runs before your syslog but after > > your sysfs. > > > > On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 12:04 PM, wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> There are two RTCs in my system: > >> /dev/rtc0 and /dev/rtc1 > >> > >> rtc0 is not powered by a battery and forgets time/date > >> with system shutdown and rtc1 is a I2C-rtc (DS3231) which > >> is powered by a battery. It is extremly accurate in comparison > >> with rtc0. > >> > >> rtc0 is accessible with system boot - rtc1 is not (current state). > >> > >> To make rtc1 completly know to the system, I have to do a > >> echo ds3231 0x68 >! /sys/bus/i2c/devices/i2c-1/new_device > >> hwclock -f /dev/rtc1 -s > >> in beforehand. > >> > >> I wrote a script for /etc/init.d, which does exactly this, and > >> the system login screen shows the correct tome/date information > >> even without ntp-client (the system should become independantly > >> from lan/internet). The script was added to the boot service > >> and executed after dev and modules. > >> > >> The kernel is configured to use /dev/rtc1 and the driver for the > >> ds1307, which also handles the ds3231, is included into the kernel > >> (no module). > >> > >> But it seems, that setting the system time this way is too late, > >> since there are still (for example) log files under /var/log > >> with a timestamp of the 1.1.1970. > >> > >> Are there any other way to make rtc1 known and accessible earlier > >> to the system as the hack via a script in /etc/init.d ? > >> > >> Thank you very much in advance for any help! > >> Best regards, > >> mcc > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Hi Mark, hi William, the script ds3231 in /etc/init.d is -- according to rc-update -- set as folows: ds3231 | boot There is no corresponding file in /etc/conf.d since the script onlu consist of two commands (see previous posting). There is no initramfs. Since hwclock needs /dev/rtc1 to work, the script cannot be executed before /dev/. is up. Is there an text/tutorial/... or such somewhere on the net, which shows the sequence, in which the usual services/scripts in /etc/init.d get started/executed while the system boots? Best regads, mcc
Re: [gentoo-user] Makeing /dev/rtc1 accessible as soon as possible - how?
or if you have an initramfs do it there before control is passed to the OS. You may also be able to set rtc0 to the current time in the initramfs as well. BillK On 25/08/13 12:18, Mark David Dumlao wrote: > Which runlevel did you put your script on? > You probably want it on sysinit, rather than default. > > Also, you can put rc_before= and rc_after= in the corresponding > /etc/conf.d/ file and make sure it runs before your syslog but after > your sysfs. > > On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 12:04 PM, wrote: >> Hi, >> >> There are two RTCs in my system: >> /dev/rtc0 and /dev/rtc1 >> >> rtc0 is not powered by a battery and forgets time/date >> with system shutdown and rtc1 is a I2C-rtc (DS3231) which >> is powered by a battery. It is extremly accurate in comparison >> with rtc0. >> >> rtc0 is accessible with system boot - rtc1 is not (current state). >> >> To make rtc1 completly know to the system, I have to do a >> echo ds3231 0x68 >! /sys/bus/i2c/devices/i2c-1/new_device >> hwclock -f /dev/rtc1 -s >> in beforehand. >> >> I wrote a script for /etc/init.d, which does exactly this, and >> the system login screen shows the correct tome/date information >> even without ntp-client (the system should become independantly >> from lan/internet). The script was added to the boot service >> and executed after dev and modules. >> >> The kernel is configured to use /dev/rtc1 and the driver for the >> ds1307, which also handles the ds3231, is included into the kernel >> (no module). >> >> But it seems, that setting the system time this way is too late, >> since there are still (for example) log files under /var/log >> with a timestamp of the 1.1.1970. >> >> Are there any other way to make rtc1 known and accessible earlier >> to the system as the hack via a script in /etc/init.d ? >> >> Thank you very much in advance for any help! >> Best regards, >> mcc >> >> >> >> > > >
Re: [gentoo-user] Makeing /dev/rtc1 accessible as soon as possible - how?
Which runlevel did you put your script on? You probably want it on sysinit, rather than default. Also, you can put rc_before= and rc_after= in the corresponding /etc/conf.d/ file and make sure it runs before your syslog but after your sysfs. On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 12:04 PM, wrote: > Hi, > > There are two RTCs in my system: > /dev/rtc0 and /dev/rtc1 > > rtc0 is not powered by a battery and forgets time/date > with system shutdown and rtc1 is a I2C-rtc (DS3231) which > is powered by a battery. It is extremly accurate in comparison > with rtc0. > > rtc0 is accessible with system boot - rtc1 is not (current state). > > To make rtc1 completly know to the system, I have to do a > echo ds3231 0x68 >! /sys/bus/i2c/devices/i2c-1/new_device > hwclock -f /dev/rtc1 -s > in beforehand. > > I wrote a script for /etc/init.d, which does exactly this, and > the system login screen shows the correct tome/date information > even without ntp-client (the system should become independantly > from lan/internet). The script was added to the boot service > and executed after dev and modules. > > The kernel is configured to use /dev/rtc1 and the driver for the > ds1307, which also handles the ds3231, is included into the kernel > (no module). > > But it seems, that setting the system time this way is too late, > since there are still (for example) log files under /var/log > with a timestamp of the 1.1.1970. > > Are there any other way to make rtc1 known and accessible earlier > to the system as the hack via a script in /etc/init.d ? > > Thank you very much in advance for any help! > Best regards, > mcc > > > > -- This email is:[ ] actionable [ ] fyi[ ] social Response needed: [ ] yes [ ] up to you [ ] no Time-sensitive: [ ] immediate[ ] soon [ ] none
[gentoo-user] Makeing /dev/rtc1 accessible as soon as possible - how?
Hi, There are two RTCs in my system: /dev/rtc0 and /dev/rtc1 rtc0 is not powered by a battery and forgets time/date with system shutdown and rtc1 is a I2C-rtc (DS3231) which is powered by a battery. It is extremly accurate in comparison with rtc0. rtc0 is accessible with system boot - rtc1 is not (current state). To make rtc1 completly know to the system, I have to do a echo ds3231 0x68 >! /sys/bus/i2c/devices/i2c-1/new_device hwclock -f /dev/rtc1 -s in beforehand. I wrote a script for /etc/init.d, which does exactly this, and the system login screen shows the correct tome/date information even without ntp-client (the system should become independantly from lan/internet). The script was added to the boot service and executed after dev and modules. The kernel is configured to use /dev/rtc1 and the driver for the ds1307, which also handles the ds3231, is included into the kernel (no module). But it seems, that setting the system time this way is too late, since there are still (for example) log files under /var/log with a timestamp of the 1.1.1970. Are there any other way to make rtc1 known and accessible earlier to the system as the hack via a script in /etc/init.d ? Thank you very much in advance for any help! Best regards, mcc
[gentoo-user] Re: The NVIDIA/Kernel fiasco -- is it safe to sync yet?
On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 09:49:43 +0200 Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 24/08/2013 06:26, Chris Stankevitz wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 9:12 PM, »Q« wrote: > >> It looks like maybe the best way to tell which ebuilds support > >> which kernels is to read the conditional for the ewarn message in > >> each ebuild. > > > > If this sort of problem spreads it might be good to build into > > portage some kind of blocker/keyword mechanism so that users need > > not deal with this not that I have any appreciation for the > > work involved. > > Those tools already exist. > > Blockers, which do not really apply here; In a comment on the bug (which is full of bugspam), someone suggested blocking kernels which are incompatible with the currently-installed nvidia-drivers. I'm glad that idea was dismissed. > elog messages Those elog messages are presented after compiling a new kernel and then trying and failing to compile nvidia-drivers. So now I grep the nvidia-drivers ebuilds for the messages before I compile a new kernel. A wiki page with info about which nvidia-drivers will build against which kernels would be a nice thing to have.
Re: [gentoo-user] Proxy server problem
On Saturday 24 Aug 2013 14:23:26 Grant wrote: > >> I set up squid on a remote system so I can browse the internet from > >> that IP address. It works but it stalls frequently. I had similar > >> results with ziproxy. I went over this with the squid list but we got > >> nowhere as it seems to be some kind of a system or network problem. > >> > >> http://squid-web-proxy-cache.1019090.n4.nabble.com/squid-3-3-5-hangs-the > >> -en tire-system-td4660893.html > >> > >> Can anyone here help me figure out what is wrong? I'm not sure where to > >> start. > >> > >> - Grant > > > > Just a quick pointer in case it applies to you: if you tunnel into the > > proxy machine (using ssh, VPN, proxychains and what not) you would > > suffer from packet fragmentation, which could quickly snowball. In this > > case try reducing your mtu to lower values, than the default ethernet > > 1500 byte packets, to cater for the overhead of the larger tunnelling > > headers. > > I've tried disconnecting from my SSH tunnel and changing the mtu on my > laptop and on the remote proxy server via ifconfig and there is some > kind of an improvement but I can't narrow it down. I've tried mtu > down to 1000 on both systems but the proxy server still stalls > sometimes. Any tips for narrowing this down further? > > - Grant Now that you mentioned using ssh, I don't think that you can improve this. An mtu at 1000 bytes is lower than I thought might have helped. The problem is caused by stacking tcp packets (tcp within tcp) each of which is using its own timeout for failed fragments. The problem is explained here (tcp meltdown): http://sites.inka.de/~W1011/devel/tcp-tcp.html and here (useful relevant references to other works are also made): http://publications.lib.chalmers.se/records/fulltext/123799.pdf There are some suggested solutions like increasing buffer size, but I don't know this might work in a real world use case. You can experiment with different buffer sizes as suggested here and see if it makes a difference: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-tcp-tuning/ If the interruptions are not acceptable to you, you could consider using a different tunnel method. A network layer VPN, like IPSec (you can use StrongSwan which also offers IKEv2 and MOBIKE for your laptop, or ipsec-tools with racoon for IKEv1 only) should work without such problems. You will be tunnelling tcp in udp packets. If you tunnel to your home router you will need to configure an IPSec tunnel mode connection, otherwise you would use an IPSec transport mode connection directly to your server after you allow IP protocol 50 packets through your router. HTH. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] startx with multiple window managers
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 01:39:45PM -0400, Penguin Lover Randy Westlund squawked: > - log in > - startx > - login on tty2 > - edit .xinitrc (shown below) > - startx -- :1 > > .xinitrc goes from: > > > exec xmonad > > #exec startxfce4 > > to: > > #exec xmonad > > exec startxfce4 > > Then I can switch between tty7 and tty8 at will. Usually I don't start xfce > at all, but for the times when I do, I'd be nice to do this without editing a > file. Can I simplify this process? Is there anyone else who uses multiple > WMs? How do you manage them? If you use xinit instead of startx, you can use the environmental variable ~ $ XINITRC=".xinitrc-xmonad" xinit -- :1 should do what you want. Just keep the two different versions of .xinitrc-xmonad and .xinitrc-xfce and use aliases if you don't want too much typing. W -- Data aequatione quotcunque fluentes quantitae involvente fluxiones invenire et vice versa ~~~ I. Newton
Re: [gentoo-user] [SOLVED] evince / firefox will not print to a specific directory
OK I fixed it, it was a problem with gtk+-2.24.17 upgrade to gtk+-2.24.19 see the bug: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=474328 -- Joseph On 08/23/13 17:22, Willie wrote: That is interesting. I have the exact same problem. Tried to save it to the desktop and it saved to my home directory.On the second try I typed in the directory that I wanted to save the file. Instead of "output.pdf", I put "/home/ill/Desktop/output.pdf". It's not a fix but it works. On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Joseph <[1]syscon...@gmail.com> wrote: When I try to print to PDF with evince or firefox it will not print pdf file to a directory I specify only to my home directory. Does anybody know what to look for? It just happen after recent upgrade. -- Joseph
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Advice needed regarding udisks
> [...] >> >> If I keyword gvfs I get into trouble because gobject-introspection >> >> wants =dev-libs/glib-2.36. >> >> >> > >> > So? >> > >> > Obviously I meant to say 'keyword gvfs *and it's dependencies* from ~arch >> > if >> > you want to use USE="udev udisks"' >> >> The above glib dependencies are circular. There is no way to satisfy them >> both. >> >> - Grant > > Samuli means this: > > $ grep dev-libs/glib /usr/portage/dev-libs/gobject-introspection/*.ebuild > /usr/portage/dev-libs/gobject-introspection/gobject-introspection-1.32.1.ebuild: > >=dev-libs/glib-2.31.22:2 > /usr/portage/dev-libs/gobject-introspection/gobject-introspection-1.32.1.ebuild: > /usr/portage/dev-libs/gobject-introspection/gobject-introspection-1.34.2-r1.ebuild: > >=dev-libs/glib-2.34.1:2 > /usr/portage/dev-libs/gobject-introspection/gobject-introspection-1.36.0.ebuild: > >=dev-libs/glib-2.36:2 > > So you need >=gobject-introspection-1.34.2 to satisfy the dependencies. OK, I was able to do this and ultimately emerge udisks-2 with USE="-gdu udisks" if I un-emerged gobject-introspection first. I won't know if this fixed my original problem for a few days but I will report back. Thank you everyone for sticking with me on this. - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Proxy server problem
>> I set up squid on a remote system so I can browse the internet from >> that IP address. It works but it stalls frequently. I had similar >> results with ziproxy. I went over this with the squid list but we got >> nowhere as it seems to be some kind of a system or network problem. >> >> http://squid-web-proxy-cache.1019090.n4.nabble.com/squid-3-3-5-hangs-the-en >> tire-system-td4660893.html >> >> Can anyone here help me figure out what is wrong? I'm not sure where to >> start. >> >> - Grant > > Just a quick pointer in case it applies to you: if you tunnel into the proxy > machine (using ssh, VPN, proxychains and what not) you would suffer from > packet fragmentation, which could quickly snowball. In this case try reducing > your mtu to lower values, than the default ethernet 1500 byte packets, to > cater for the overhead of the larger tunnelling headers. I've tried disconnecting from my SSH tunnel and changing the mtu on my laptop and on the remote proxy server via ifconfig and there is some kind of an improvement but I can't narrow it down. I've tried mtu down to 1000 on both systems but the proxy server still stalls sometimes. Any tips for narrowing this down further? - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Advice needed regarding udisks
Am Sat, 24 Aug 2013 05:43:39 -0700 schrieb Grant : [...] > >> If I keyword gvfs I get into trouble because gobject-introspection > >> wants =dev-libs/glib-2.36. > >> > > > > So? > > > > Obviously I meant to say 'keyword gvfs *and it's dependencies* from ~arch if > > you want to use USE="udev udisks"' > > The above glib dependencies are circular. There is no way to satisfy them > both. > > - Grant Samuli means this: $ grep dev-libs/glib /usr/portage/dev-libs/gobject-introspection/*.ebuild /usr/portage/dev-libs/gobject-introspection/gobject-introspection-1.32.1.ebuild: >=dev-libs/glib-2.31.22:2 /usr/portage/dev-libs/gobject-introspection/gobject-introspection-1.32.1.ebuild: =dev-libs/glib-2.34.1:2 /usr/portage/dev-libs/gobject-introspection/gobject-introspection-1.36.0.ebuild: >=dev-libs/glib-2.36:2 So you need >=gobject-introspection-1.34.2 to satisfy the dependencies. HTH -- Marc Joliet -- "People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who know we don't" - Bjarne Stroustrup signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Advice needed regarding udisks
> Just saying you should be using `udisksctl` command instead of the now > obsolete `udisks` command > > udisksctl command = new udisks 2 > udisks command = old udisks 1 OK, but first I need to figure out how to get gvfs to use udisks instead of gdu. >>> >>> >>> by emerging gnome-base/gvfs from ~arch with USE="udev udisks" >>> >>> the stable gnome-base/gvfs is not compatible with UDisks 2.1 >>> >>> but by upgrading gnome-base/gvfs on stable to ~arch version with >>> USE="udev >>> udisks" is then again not compatible all the way with GNOME 2.x, so >>> that's >>> why it's still in ~arch >> >> >> If I keyword gvfs I get into trouble because gobject-introspection >> wants =dev-libs/glib-2.36. >> > > So? > > Obviously I meant to say 'keyword gvfs *and it's dependencies* from ~arch if > you want to use USE="udev udisks"' The above glib dependencies are circular. There is no way to satisfy them both. - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Which cputime accounting for kernel-3.10.7 ?
On Saturday 24 Aug 2013 12:14:14 Bruce Hill wrote: > On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 10:40:25AM +0100, Mick wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > I'm about to compile a new kernel and running oldconfig brings up this > > new set of options. There is no help available, grep-ping through the > > Documentation wasn't particularly revealing and I haven't found anything > > in Google to help me decide what I need/want out of the three: > > === > > > > * CPU/Task time and stats accounting > > * > > Cputime accounting > > > > 1. Simple tick based cputime accounting (TICK_CPU_ACCOUNTING) > > > > > 2. Full dynticks CPU time accounting (VIRT_CPU_ACCOUNTING_GEN) (NEW) > > > > > 3. Fine granularity task level IRQ time accounting > > (IRQ_TIME_ACCOUNTING) > > > > choice[1-3]: ? > > > > There is no help available for this option. > > Prompt: Cputime accounting > > > > Location: > > -> General setup > > > > -> CPU/Task time and stats accounting > > > > Defined at init/Kconfig:297 > > Selected by: m > > > > === > > > > Option 2 seems to have been selected by default, but I am not sure if > > this is right for a laptop. > > > > What have you chosen and why? > > Each of the three options has it's own individual help. Oops! Thanks for pointing this out and sorry for the noise ... I had only tried "?" instead of " ?" Help is also visible and available when using menuconfig. The 2nd option is best for my needs. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Advice needed regarding udisks
On 24/08/13 08:39, Grant wrote: Just saying you should be using `udisksctl` command instead of the now obsolete `udisks` command udisksctl command = new udisks 2 udisks command = old udisks 1 OK, but first I need to figure out how to get gvfs to use udisks instead of gdu. by emerging gnome-base/gvfs from ~arch with USE="udev udisks" the stable gnome-base/gvfs is not compatible with UDisks 2.1 but by upgrading gnome-base/gvfs on stable to ~arch version with USE="udev udisks" is then again not compatible all the way with GNOME 2.x, so that's why it's still in ~arch If I keyword gvfs I get into trouble because gobject-introspection wants =dev-libs/glib-2.36. - Grant So? Obviously I meant to say 'keyword gvfs *and it's dependencies* from ~arch if you want to use USE="udev udisks"' So that means bunch gobject-introspection, gobject-introspection-common, glib, and likely some others too, Portage will them you about them
Re: [gentoo-user] Which cputime accounting for kernel-3.10.7 ?
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 10:40:25AM +0100, Mick wrote: > Hi All, > > I'm about to compile a new kernel and running oldconfig brings up this new > set > of options. There is no help available, grep-ping through the Documentation > wasn't particularly revealing and I haven't found anything in Google to help > me decide what I need/want out of the three: > === > > * CPU/Task time and stats accounting > * > Cputime accounting > 1. Simple tick based cputime accounting (TICK_CPU_ACCOUNTING) > > 2. Full dynticks CPU time accounting (VIRT_CPU_ACCOUNTING_GEN) (NEW) > 3. Fine granularity task level IRQ time accounting (IRQ_TIME_ACCOUNTING) > choice[1-3]: ? > > There is no help available for this option. > Prompt: Cputime accounting > Location: > -> General setup > -> CPU/Task time and stats accounting > Defined at init/Kconfig:297 > Selected by: m > === > > Option 2 seems to have been selected by default, but I am not sure if this is > right for a laptop. > > What have you chosen and why? > > -- > Regards, > Mick Each of the three options has it's own individual help. -- Happy Penguin Computers >') 126 Fenco Drive ( \ Tupelo, MS 38801 ^^ supp...@happypenguincomputers.com 662-269-2706 662-205-6424 http://happypenguincomputers.com/ A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting
Re: [gentoo-user] Proxy server problem
On Saturday 24 Aug 2013 10:47:53 Grant wrote: > I set up squid on a remote system so I can browse the internet from > that IP address. It works but it stalls frequently. I had similar > results with ziproxy. I went over this with the squid list but we got > nowhere as it seems to be some kind of a system or network problem. > > http://squid-web-proxy-cache.1019090.n4.nabble.com/squid-3-3-5-hangs-the-en > tire-system-td4660893.html > > Can anyone here help me figure out what is wrong? I'm not sure where to > start. > > - Grant Just a quick pointer in case it applies to you: if you tunnel into the proxy machine (using ssh, VPN, proxychains and what not) you would suffer from packet fragmentation, which could quickly snowball. In this case try reducing your mtu to lower values, than the default ethernet 1500 byte packets, to cater for the overhead of the larger tunnelling headers. HTH. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] Proxy server problem
I set up squid on a remote system so I can browse the internet from that IP address. It works but it stalls frequently. I had similar results with ziproxy. I went over this with the squid list but we got nowhere as it seems to be some kind of a system or network problem. http://squid-web-proxy-cache.1019090.n4.nabble.com/squid-3-3-5-hangs-the-entire-system-td4660893.html Can anyone here help me figure out what is wrong? I'm not sure where to start. - Grant
[gentoo-user] Which cputime accounting for kernel-3.10.7 ?
Hi All, I'm about to compile a new kernel and running oldconfig brings up this new set of options. There is no help available, grep-ping through the Documentation wasn't particularly revealing and I haven't found anything in Google to help me decide what I need/want out of the three: === * CPU/Task time and stats accounting * Cputime accounting 1. Simple tick based cputime accounting (TICK_CPU_ACCOUNTING) > 2. Full dynticks CPU time accounting (VIRT_CPU_ACCOUNTING_GEN) (NEW) 3. Fine granularity task level IRQ time accounting (IRQ_TIME_ACCOUNTING) choice[1-3]: ? There is no help available for this option. Prompt: Cputime accounting Location: -> General setup -> CPU/Task time and stats accounting Defined at init/Kconfig:297 Selected by: m === Option 2 seems to have been selected by default, but I am not sure if this is right for a laptop. What have you chosen and why? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The NVIDIA/Kernel fiasco -- is it safe to sync yet?
On 24/08/2013 06:26, Chris Stankevitz wrote: > On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 9:12 PM, »Q« wrote: >> It looks like maybe the best way to tell which ebuilds support which >> kernels is to read the conditional for the ewarn message in each >> ebuild. > > If this sort of problem spreads it might be good to build into portage > some kind of blocker/keyword mechanism so that users need not deal > with this not that I have any appreciation for the work involved. Those tools already exist. Blockers, which do not really apply here; elog messages > > http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/philosophy.xml > > The goal of Gentoo is to design tools and systems that allow a user to > do that work as pleasantly and efficiently as possible, as they see > fit. Our tools should be a joy to use, and should help the user to > appreciate the richness of the Linux and free software community, and > the flexibility of free software. > > Kind of funny... Gentoo's mandate is sort of at odds with itself. A > joy to use while simultaneously giving full flexibility. > > Chris > -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
