Re: [gentoo-user] re: mouse pointer not consistent [net-misc/rdesktop-1.7.1]
On 26/10/2013 04:07, William Kenworthy wrote: On 26/10/13 03:49, Alexander Kapshuk wrote: When running [net-misc/rdesktop-1.7.1], I've noticed that the mouse pointer is sometimes shaped like a capital letter 'I', like when a mouse pointer is over a string of characters. Sorry, not sure what the proper name for the character is. While at other times, it is a proper mouse pointer, shaped like an arrow. Is it possible to have the proper mouse pointer displayed at all times? Thanks. Isnt that a feature - its telling you that the area below the pointer is for text entry. That's correct. rdesktop connects to a Windows host (usually) and Windows changes the cursor depending on what it is hovering over. It *is* consistent from a Windows POV -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] re: mouse pointer not consistent [net-misc/rdesktop-1.7.1]
On 10/26/2013 09:48 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 26/10/2013 04:07, William Kenworthy wrote: On 26/10/13 03:49, Alexander Kapshuk wrote: When running [net-misc/rdesktop-1.7.1], I've noticed that the mouse pointer is sometimes shaped like a capital letter 'I', like when a mouse pointer is over a string of characters. Sorry, not sure what the proper name for the character is. While at other times, it is a proper mouse pointer, shaped like an arrow. Is it possible to have the proper mouse pointer displayed at all times? Thanks. Isnt that a feature - its telling you that the area below the pointer is for text entry. That's correct. rdesktop connects to a Windows host (usually) and Windows changes the cursor depending on what it is hovering over. It *is* consistent from a Windows POV I see. It's just that I get the cursor that usually appears when the mouse pointer is placed over some text, even when pointing at icons when running rdesktop. I remember using another RDP client on another Linux system where the cursor behaved the way it does when running Windows or Linux direct. Anyway, thanks for the explanation.
Re: [gentoo-user] re: mouse pointer not consistent [net-misc/rdesktop-1.7.1]
Op vrijdag 25 oktober 2013 22:49:04 schreef Alexander Kapshuk: Sorry, not sure what the proper name for the character is It's called a caret cursor. Cheers, Paul
Re: [gentoo-user] re: mouse pointer not consistent [net-misc/rdesktop-1.7.1]
On 10/26/2013 01:34 PM, Paul Klos wrote: It's called a caret cursor. Thanks.
[gentoo-user] re: media-video/vlc-2.0.9 depends on net-misc/freerdp
I've updated vlc today, which pulled in freerdp as a dependency. Is that normal? Why would a media player require a remote desktop application client? box0=; equery -C depends --indirect net-misc/freerdp-1.1.0_beta1 * These packages depend on net-misc/freerdp-1.1.0_beta1: media-video/vlc-2.0.9 (net-misc/freerdp:0) Thanks.
[gentoo-user] Re: Ebuild
Silvio Siefke siefke_listen at web.de writes: i has make a ebuild, but i not so sure what must do for build Process. http://devmanual.gentoo.org/ebuild-writing/common-mistakes/ http://devmanual.gentoo.org/ebuild-writing/index.html https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Submitting_ebuilds But what i must do. The buildprocess i let run: http://overlays.gentoo.org/proj/sunrise http://overlays.gentoo.org/proj/sunrise/wiki/SunriseFaq http://overlays.gentoo.org/ Thanks for help Nice day Silvio hth, James
Re: [gentoo-user] re: media-video/vlc-2.0.9 depends on net-misc/freerdp
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Re: [gentoo-user] re: media-video/vlc-2.0.9 depends on net-misc/freerdp
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 06:52:18PM +0300, Alexander Kapshuk wrote: I've updated vlc today, which pulled in freerdp as a dependency. Is that normal? Why would a media player require a remote desktop application client? box0=; equery -C depends --indirect net-misc/freerdp-1.1.0_beta1 * These packages depend on net-misc/freerdp-1.1.0_beta1: media-video/vlc-2.0.9 (net-misc/freerdp:0) Read /usr/portage/media-video/vlc/ChangeLog then eix-sync and try again. -- Happy Penguin Computers ') 126 Fenco Drive ( \ Tupelo, MS 38801 ^^ supp...@happypenguincomputers.com 662-269-2706 662-205-6424 http://happypenguincomputers.com/ A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting
Re: [gentoo-user] re: media-video/vlc-2.0.9 depends on net-misc/freerdp
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 06:52:18PM +0300, Alexander Kapshuk wrote: I've updated vlc today, which pulled in freerdp as a dependency. Is that normal? Why would a media player require a remote desktop application client? box0=; equery -C depends --indirect net-misc/freerdp-1.1.0_beta1 * These packages depend on net-misc/freerdp-1.1.0_beta1: media-video/vlc-2.0.9 (net-misc/freerdp:0) Sorry if I got ahead of portage. I've been talking with the maintainer and freedrp should not be a RDEPEND of vlc. He's working on it. -- Happy Penguin Computers ') 126 Fenco Drive ( \ Tupelo, MS 38801 ^^ supp...@happypenguincomputers.com 662-269-2706 662-205-6424 http://happypenguincomputers.com/ A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting
Re: [gentoo-user] re: media-video/vlc-2.0.9 depends on net-misc/freerdp
On 10/26/2013 08:03 PM, Bruce Hill wrote: On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 06:52:18PM +0300, Alexander Kapshuk wrote: I've updated vlc today, which pulled in freerdp as a dependency. Is that normal? Why would a media player require a remote desktop application client? box0=; equery -C depends --indirect net-misc/freerdp-1.1.0_beta1 * These packages depend on net-misc/freerdp-1.1.0_beta1: media-video/vlc-2.0.9 (net-misc/freerdp:0) Sorry if I got ahead of portage. I've been talking with the maintainer and freedrp should not be a RDEPEND of vlc. He's working on it. Understood. Thanks very much for following it up. In a way I'm glad freerdp got pulled in. The mouse pointer seems to work better for me in freerdp than it does in rdesktop.
Re: [gentoo-user] re: media-video/vlc-2.0.9 depends on net-misc/freerdp
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 08:37:28PM +0300, Alexander Kapshuk wrote: On 10/26/2013 08:03 PM, Bruce Hill wrote: On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 06:52:18PM +0300, Alexander Kapshuk wrote: I've updated vlc today, which pulled in freerdp as a dependency. Is that normal? Why would a media player require a remote desktop application client? box0=; equery -C depends --indirect net-misc/freerdp-1.1.0_beta1 * These packages depend on net-misc/freerdp-1.1.0_beta1: media-video/vlc-2.0.9 (net-misc/freerdp:0) Sorry if I got ahead of portage. I've been talking with the maintainer and freedrp should not be a RDEPEND of vlc. He's working on it. Understood. Thanks very much for following it up. In a way I'm glad freerdp got pulled in. The mouse pointer seems to work better for me in freerdp than it does in rdesktop. I've been using teamviewer and it informed me yesterday that I appear to be using it for commercial use; so I'm now looking for some FOSS to replace it. -- Happy Penguin Computers ') 126 Fenco Drive ( \ Tupelo, MS 38801 ^^ supp...@happypenguincomputers.com 662-269-2706 662-205-6424 http://happypenguincomputers.com/ A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting
[gentoo-user] Brand new instalation - Network problem
Hi list, I`ve just installed a brand new gentoo amd64 and there is this problem: my Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 06) is recognized as *sit0* , but I can't get any IP Adress. dhcp takes long and doesn't get any result. dhcpcd doesn't work either. Even if I choose a manual address I cant ping other devices. When I used ifconfig, I got something like ipv6 over ipv4, but I will only need ipv4. So I disabled ipv6 USE flag, but I didn't change anything. The weird thing is that if I disable the IPV6 kernel support (manual configuration btw), the network interface (sit0) desappears! When I reboot the system using a usb botable Ubuntu everything works fine, using the same hardware/infrastructure. I have no idea what is going on here, so, please, send me some links. Thank you all, -- João Neto Linux User #461527 http://br.linkedin.com/pub/jo%C3%A3o-de-matos/7/316/552 emerge Description: Binary data
Re: [gentoo-user] Brand new instalation - Network problem
2013/10/26 João Matos jaon...@gmail.com: Hi list, I`ve just installed a brand new gentoo amd64 and there is this problem: my Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 06) is recognized as sit0 , but I can't get any IP Adress. sit0 is completely unrelated, it is an IPv6 tunnel device. You need to compile the r8169 driver. Make sure CONFIG_R8169=m or y in your kernel config and try again (modprobe r8169). I have a Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 06), pci id 10ec:8168 on my motherboard and it works fine with the R8169 driver on kernel 3.10.9 (and has been working since at least the 3.4 series, which was when I installed this system) dhcp takes long and doesn't get any result. dhcpcd doesn't work either. Even if I choose a manual address I cant ping other devices. When I used ifconfig, I got something like ipv6 over ipv4, but I will only need ipv4. So I disabled ipv6 USE flag, but I didn't change anything. The weird thing is that if I disable the IPV6 kernel support (manual configuration btw), the network interface (sit0) desappears! When I reboot the system using a usb botable Ubuntu everything works fine, using the same hardware/infrastructure. I have no idea what is going on here, so, please, send me some links. Thank you all, -- João Neto Linux User #461527 http://br.linkedin.com/pub/jo%C3%A3o-de-matos/7/316/552
Re: [gentoo-user] Brand new instalation - Network problem
On 10/26/2013 15:44, João Matos wrote: Hi list, I`ve just installed a brand new gentoo amd64 and there is this problem: my Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 06) is recognized as *sit0* , but I can't get any IP Adress. sit0 is a virtual adapter for 6to4, an IPv6 transition mechanism, not a real Ethernet adapter. dhcp takes long and doesn't get any result. dhcpcd doesn't work either. Even if I choose a manual address I cant ping other devices. Since sit0 isn't a real adapter, it isn't actually your network card, so it isn't connected to anything. When I used ifconfig, I got something like ipv6 over ipv4, but I will only need ipv4. So I disabled ipv6 USE flag, but I didn't change anything. The weird thing is that if I disable the IPV6 kernel support (manual configuration btw), the network interface (sit0) desappears! When I reboot the system using a usb botable Ubuntu everything works fine, using the same hardware/infrastructure. I have no idea what is going on here, so, please, send me some links. You need to make sure the driver for your network adapter is compiled in to the kernel. I believe for your card, that would be CONFIG_R8169: Device Drivers --- [*] Network device support --- [*] Ethernet driver support --- [*] Realtek devices * Realtek 8169 gigabit ethernet support -- ♫Dustin http://dustin.hatch.name/
Re: [gentoo-user] Brand new instalation - Network problem
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 08:44:00PM +, João Matos wrote: Hi list, I`ve just installed a brand new gentoo amd64 and there is this problem: my Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 06) is recognized as *sit0* , but I can't get any IP Adress. dhcp takes long and doesn't get any result. dhcpcd doesn't work either. Even if I choose a manual address I cant ping other devices. When I used ifconfig, I got something like ipv6 over ipv4, but I will only need ipv4. So I disabled ipv6 USE flag, but I didn't change anything. The weird thing is that if I disable the IPV6 kernel support (manual configuration btw), the network interface (sit0) desappears! When I reboot the system using a usb botable Ubuntu everything works fine, using the same hardware/infrastructure. sit0 is used for ipv6 tunneling (6to4), it is not a physical interface While you're in the Ubuntu environment, issue lspci -k to see which kernel driver your ethernet device uses. It is R8169 which is provided by: Symbol: R8169 [=y] Type : tristate Prompt: Realtek 8169 gigabit ethernet support Location: - Device Drivers - Network device support (NETDEVICES [=y]) - Ethernet driver support (ETHERNET [=y]) - Realtek devices (NET_VENDOR_REALTEK [=y]) The Gentoo Handbook has the following Networking section http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-amd64.xml?part=1chap=8#doc_chap2 which tells you what to do. If you prefer eth0, rather than some udev mangled name such as enp3s0, read the three methods in https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Udev/upgrade -- Happy Penguin Computers ') 126 Fenco Drive ( \ Tupelo, MS 38801 ^^ supp...@happypenguincomputers.com 662-269-2706 662-205-6424 http://happypenguincomputers.com/ A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting
Re: [gentoo-user] Brand new instalation - Network problem
On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 20:44:00 + João Matos jaon...@gmail.com wrote: Hi list, I`ve just installed a brand new gentoo amd64 and there is this problem: my Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 06) is recognized as *sit0* , but I can't get any IP Adress. dhcp takes long and doesn't get any result. dhcpcd doesn't work either. Even if I choose a manual address I cant ping other devices. When I used ifconfig, I got something like ipv6 over ipv4, but I will only need ipv4. So I disabled ipv6 USE flag, but I didn't change anything. The weird thing is that if I disable the IPV6 kernel support (manual configuration btw), the network interface (sit0) desappears! When I reboot the system using a usb botable Ubuntu everything works fine, using the same hardware/infrastructure. I have no idea what is going on here, so, please, send me some links. Thank you all, Hi João, Let's do some basic troubleshooting. look at the output of the following commands # lspci # dmesg | grep -b2 -a2 -i ethernet # lsmod This will hopefully help us determine if the correct driver is loaded.
Re: [gentoo-user] MacBook Air (A1237) and Gentoo Linux
Am 23.10.2013 10:09, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: Does anyone of you gentoo-users also run gentoo on such a hardware? Anyone? my todos are (for now): * I only got the harddisk detected via IDE/PATA (so it is hda and not sda now). It should be accessible via AHCI as well, but that didn't work yet (and I expect some more performance via AHCI). This still gives me some headaches, seems I currently run the hdd via ancient IDE-modules (ide_generic). Compiled several new kernels without success so far ... additionally complex by usage of EFI, labels in fstab and you name it. OK, 3.11.5 isn't old anyway. Although I'd like to slim down my config somehow (and optimize it, think NCQ). * Sound via pulseaudio: not there yet ... no errors, devices displayed correctly, but no sound. not solved yet, wasn't and isn't first priority. * suspend to ram in gnome: got to check that Disabled stuff in /etc/systemd/logind.conf. Macbook suspends when I press powerbutton but not at lid-close. hdd seems to start up immediately again ... * right clicks with touchpad solved with a small shell-script. pommed works nice here after a small patching, controls keyboard backlight and stuff. cool. So far the system is nice to use but a bit raw ... Greets, regards, Stefan
Re: [gentoo-user] Brand new instalation - Network problem
2013/10/26 João Matos jaon...@gmail.com Hi João, Let's do some basic troubleshooting. look at the output of the following commands # lspci [...] 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 06) # dmesg | grep -b2 -a2 -i ethernet [system, not chroot environment] 37800-[0.959789] e1000: Copyright (c) 1999-2006 Intel Corporation. 37865-[0.959836] sky2: driver version 1.30 37906:[0.959959] r8169 Gigabit Ethernet driver 2.3LK-NAPI loaded 37969-[0.960183] r8169 :02:00.0: irq 41 for MSI/MSI-X 38025-[0.960346] r8169 :02:00.0 eth0: RTL8168evl/8111evl at 0xc9628000, 90:2b:34:fb:4e:f9, XID 0c900800 IRQ 41 # lsmod There is something really strange here! These 5 lines is everything that I got when I run lsmod. The module is compiled (.conf attached) but, even if I tape modprobe r8169 the output doesn't change. berore I configure the kernel I've run make localmodconfig, but I don't think I would create any problem since I've used it some times before. Maybe it is not module. I compile it in kernel itself. The lines: Module Size Used by sit12439 0 ip_tunnel 11548 1 sit tunnel4 2165 1 sit ipv6 279632 15 sit This will hopefully help us determine if the correct driver is loaded. -- João Neto Linux User #461527 http://br.linkedin.com/pub/jo%C3%A3o-de-matos/7/316/552 Problem solved! Just a misunderstanding. At the beginning the module really wasn`t compilled into the kernel, but, when I did it, I was already assuming that the name was sit0. Everything is working fine with enp2s0. Thank you all. -- João Neto Linux User #461527 http://br.linkedin.com/pub/jo%C3%A3o-de-matos/7/316/552
[gentoo-user] NFS kernel bug
Just a note to other NFS server users - There's a kernel bug that can cause unmounting an NFS share to segfault (and not actually unmount anything.) I had in in the kernel 3.10 version, perhaps even before that as I don't update the kernel on my mythtv backend server that often. It hangs the shutdown process with an oops and it will require physical manual intervention to shut the machine down. If you upgrade to 3.11.5 or greater the problem goes away. I've been banging my head against the wall with this for over a week and *finally* found a resolution after going through a lot of NFS searches via Google. Dan
Re: [gentoo-user] re: media-video/vlc-2.0.9 depends on net-misc/freerdp
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Alexander Kapshuk alexander.kaps...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/26/2013 08:03 PM, Bruce Hill wrote: On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 06:52:18PM +0300, Alexander Kapshuk wrote: I've updated vlc today, which pulled in freerdp as a dependency. Is that normal? Why would a media player require a remote desktop application client? box0=; equery -C depends --indirect net-misc/freerdp-1.1.0_beta1 * These packages depend on net-misc/freerdp-1.1.0_beta1: media-video/vlc-2.0.9 (net-misc/freerdp:0) Sorry if I got ahead of portage. I've been talking with the maintainer and freedrp should not be a RDEPEND of vlc. He's working on it. Understood. Thanks very much for following it up. In a way I'm glad freerdp got pulled in. The mouse pointer seems to work better for me in freerdp than it does in rdesktop. Funny enough, that was the very reason I switched from rdesktop to freerdp a couple of years ago; I wrote a patch for rdesktop to fix cursors in Windows 2008, but it got ignored. Then I somehow stumbled on freerdp, where it had already been fixed.
Re: [gentoo-user] did python-r1 improve user experience?
On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 9:13 AM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote: Since I maintain blender I have come across quite a few frustrated users already: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=488976#c7 I am not sure myself. On one hand we don't need python-updater anymore and have very tight dependencies that ensure that all needed modules are always available for the desired implementation. On the other hand it seems to give a lot of users trouble with blockers, general configuration and mass-updates on things like removing python:2.5. What are your opinions? Did it improve user experience? What could be improved? As one of the lead devs on the python team, here are my thoughts. I think we have made things more correct. As a developer, it is much easier for me to tell when a package has incomplete or simply broken python dependencies. On the user side, I think we have traded occasional/random build failures due to mismatched python versions for some barely comprehensible portage dependency conflict messages. This is certainly not ideal, but I think it is always better to have portage fail during dependency resolution than at build time. The (non-)relationship between eselect python and PYTHON_TARGETS is something that would be nice to resolve, but I don't know how to do it. PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET will probably cause problems if/when packages start supporting python3 only.
Re: [gentoo-user] did python-r1 improve user experience?
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 09:30:57PM -0400, Mike Gilbert wrote
The (non-)relationship between eselect python and PYTHON_TARGETS is
something that would be nice to resolve, but I don't know how to do
it. PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET will probably cause problems if/when packages
start supporting python3 only.
What I find interesting/annoying is that my make.conf has to have 3
lines...
PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET=python2_7
PYTHON_TARGETS=python2_7
USE_PYTHON=2.7
...as if it didn't hear me the first time. How difficult would it be to
set up an eclass to tell portage that...
if PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET=pythonX_Y
PYTHON_TARGETS defaults to ${PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET}
USE_PYTHON defaults to ${PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET/_/.}
Over-ride the default if explicitly listed. Out of sheer curiousity,
what circumstances are there where ordinary users would need differing
values for these 3 items?
--
Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org
I don't run desktop environments; I run useful applications
Re: [gentoo-user] did python-r1 improve user experience?
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 10:18:11PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 09:30:57PM -0400, Mike Gilbert wrote
The (non-)relationship between eselect python and PYTHON_TARGETS is
something that would be nice to resolve, but I don't know how to do
it. PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET will probably cause problems if/when packages
start supporting python3 only.
What I find interesting/annoying is that my make.conf has to have 3
lines...
PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET=python2_7
PYTHON_TARGETS=python2_7
USE_PYTHON=2.7
...as if it didn't hear me the first time. How difficult would it be to
set up an eclass to tell portage that...
if PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET=pythonX_Y
PYTHON_TARGETS defaults to ${PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET}
USE_PYTHON defaults to ${PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET/_/.}
Over-ride the default if explicitly listed. Out of sheer curiousity,
what circumstances are there where ordinary users would need differing
values for these 3 items?
Mine only have PYTHON_TARGETS=python2_7 and I unmerge python3 immediately
after install.
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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting
Re: [gentoo-user] did python-r1 improve user experience?
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 10:18 PM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 09:30:57PM -0400, Mike Gilbert wrote
The (non-)relationship between eselect python and PYTHON_TARGETS is
something that would be nice to resolve, but I don't know how to do
it. PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET will probably cause problems if/when packages
start supporting python3 only.
What I find interesting/annoying is that my make.conf has to have 3
lines...
PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET=python2_7
PYTHON_TARGETS=python2_7
USE_PYTHON=2.7
...as if it didn't hear me the first time. How difficult would it be to
set up an eclass to tell portage that...
if PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET=pythonX_Y
PYTHON_TARGETS defaults to ${PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET}
USE_PYTHON defaults to ${PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET/_/.}
Over-ride the default if explicitly listed. Out of sheer curiousity,
what circumstances are there where ordinary users would need differing
values for these 3 items?
PYTHON_TARGETS and PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET are used indirectly by
python-r1.eclass. However, both are both expanded into use flags and
used in dependency calculations before any ebuild/eclass code is
invoked. So, we cannot manipulate them in an eclass or ebuild.
PYTHON_TARGETS may contain multiple python versions and is used for
most python packages in the tree. It allows the same package to be
installed for multiple python versions simultaneously.
PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET should only contain one python version; it is
used for packages which cannot (easily) be made to support multiple
versions of python simultaneously. So we have to pick one.
USE_PYTHON is a legacy setting used by the old python.eclass and is
not used to control any use flags or dependencies. Ideally, we could
default this to PYTHON_TARGETS, but due to the way use-expanded
variables work this is not possible. This variable will go away once
python.eclass is removed from the portage tree.
Re: [gentoo-user] did python-r1 improve user experience?
On 27/10/13 09:30, Mike Gilbert wrote: On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 9:13 AM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote: Since I maintain blender I have come across quite a few frustrated users already: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=488976#c7 I am not sure myself. On one hand we don't need python-updater anymore and have very tight dependencies that ensure that all needed modules are always available for the desired implementation. On the other hand it seems to give a lot of users trouble with blockers, general configuration and mass-updates on things like removing python:2.5. What are your opinions? Did it improve user experience? What could be improved? ... The python user experience is less than overwhelming for a user. 1. if python-update is no longer needed (first I have heard of this) why is it still rebuilding many packages after an upgrade ... 2. I have python 2.7 installed and python 3.x is being asked to be installed ... isnt that enough? - shorely it can work out what it needs from whats been asked for/removed and whats already on the system ... instead we need to add these cryptic, poorly explained lines that one only finds out from emails etc. The elog message for the one exception asks that the line be added to make.conf without telling the user what happens if he upgrades later (as it lists specific versions) or makes changes - does that line have any effect, especially if he makes a mistake (which I did and I am not sure what it did in the background)? 4. sorry if the above sounds over the top but some of the changes did go wrong for me ... as is the grub2 upgrade I am still trying to get to work after many hours ... 5. and I am really really impressed that a dev has actually asked the users ... unlike other decisions being made! BillK
Re: [gentoo-user] re: media-video/vlc-2.0.9 depends on net-misc/freerdp
On 10/27/2013 03:18 AM, Mike Gilbert wrote: On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Alexander Kapshuk alexander.kaps...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/26/2013 08:03 PM, Bruce Hill wrote: On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 06:52:18PM +0300, Alexander Kapshuk wrote: I've updated vlc today, which pulled in freerdp as a dependency. Is that normal? Why would a media player require a remote desktop application client? box0=; equery -C depends --indirect net-misc/freerdp-1.1.0_beta1 * These packages depend on net-misc/freerdp-1.1.0_beta1: media-video/vlc-2.0.9 (net-misc/freerdp:0) Sorry if I got ahead of portage. I've been talking with the maintainer and freedrp should not be a RDEPEND of vlc. He's working on it. Understood. Thanks very much for following it up. In a way I'm glad freerdp got pulled in. The mouse pointer seems to work better for me in freerdp than it does in rdesktop. Funny enough, that was the very reason I switched from rdesktop to freerdp a couple of years ago; I wrote a patch for rdesktop to fix cursors in Windows 2008, but it got ignored. Then I somehow stumbled on freerdp, where it had already been fixed. Interesting. Thanks for sharing your experience.
