Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[Dale]

Howdy,

Same topic sort of so going to try the same thread first.  I've run up
on something weird but I'm not real sure where to start looking.  This
is what I do and what I get in return.  I have my desktop set to folder
view which gives me icons on my desktop.  When I click on a folder, it
is supposed to open Konqueror.  It does, it really does open konqueror. 
It opens it with dozens of instances and more than once went over 100
before I could kill the thing.  Obviously, I only need one instance. 

My question.  What program actually tells it to launch that first
instance?  In other words, when I click on a folder, what is it that
tells Konqueror to open?  I think I'd like to downgrade that package for
a bit.  It seems to have a bug, a really bad one with a lot of legs. 

How I got here.  Since the plasma thing was crashing so much, I thought
a unstable plasma package might have it fixed.  Well, it stopped
crashing after I keyworded a long list of packages and did the upgrade. 
Thing is, now I get this multiple instances of Konqueror instead of just
one.  Here is a list of those packages. 



=kde-plasma/plasma-meta-5.6.2
=kde-plasma/powerdevil-5.6.2 ~amd64
=kde-frameworks/kwidgetsaddons-5.21.0 ~amd64
=kde-plasma/ksysguard-5.6.2 ~amd64
=kde-plasma/ksshaskpass-5.6.2 ~amd64
=kde-frameworks/kbookmarks-5.21.0 ~amd64
=kde-plasma/libksysguard-5.6.2 ~amd64
=kde-frameworks/kconfig-5.21.0 ~amd64
=kde-frameworks/kitemmodels-5.21.0 ~amd64
=kde-frameworks/attica-5.21.0 ~amd64
=kde-plasma/sddm-kcm-5.6.2 ~amd64
=kde-plasma/milou-5.6.2 ~amd64
=kde-plasma/khelpcenter-5.6.2 ~amd64
=kde-frameworks/kglobalaccel-5.21.0 ~amd64
=kde-frameworks/kwallet-5.21.0 ~amd64
=kde-frameworks/kservice-5.21.0 ~amd64
=kde-plasma/khotkeys-5.6.2 ~amd64
=kde-frameworks/kpeople-5.21.0 ~amd64
=kde-frameworks/karchive-5.21.0 ~amd64
=kde-plasma/systemsettings-5.6.2 ~amd64
=kde-plasma/user-manager-5.6.2 ~amd64
=kde-frameworks/kdelibs4support-5.21.0 ~amd64
=kde-plasma/oxygen-5.6.2 ~amd64
=kde-frameworks/kxmlgui-5.21.0 ~amd64
=kde-frameworks/kdoctools-5.21.0 ~amd64
=kde-frameworks/kunitconversion-5.21.0 ~amd64
=kde-plasma/kdeplasma-addons-5.6.2 ~amd64
=kde-plasma/libkscreen-5.6.2 ~amd64
=kde-frameworks/kcmutils-5.21.0 ~amd64
=kde-frameworks/kpackage-5.21.0 ~amd64
=kde-frameworks/kcrash-5.21.0 ~amd64
=kde-frameworks/kidletime-5.21.0 ~amd64
=kde-frameworks/plasma-5.21.0 ~amd64
=kde-frameworks/kcodecs-5.21.0 ~amd64
=kde-frameworks/extra-cmake-modules-5.21.0 ~amd64
=kde-frameworks/kfilemetadata-5.21.0 ~amd64
=kde-frameworks/kdesignerplugin-5.21.0 ~amd64
=kde-plasma/kactivitymanagerd-5.6.2 ~amd64
=kde-frameworks/kparts-5.21.0 ~amd64
=kde-frameworks/threadweaver-5.21.0 ~amd64
=kde-plasma/kwrited-5.6.2 ~amd64
=kde-plasma/plasma-workspace-wallpapers-5.6.2 ~amd64
=kde-frameworks/knotifications-5.21.0 ~amd64
=kde-frameworks/kcompletion-5.21.0 ~amd64
=kde-frameworks/ki18n-5.21.0 ~amd64
=kde-frameworks/solid-5.21.0 ~amd64
=kde-plasma/kgamma-5.6.2 ~amd64
=kde-frameworks/kitemviews-5.21.0 ~amd64
=kde-frameworks/kcoreaddons-5.21.0 ~amd64
=kde-plasma/kwayland-integration-5.6.2 ~amd64
=kde-frameworks/baloo-5.21.0 ~amd64
=kde-frameworks/kwindowsystem-5.21.0 ~amd64
=kde-frameworks/kio-5.21.0 ~amd64
=kde-frameworks/kauth-5.21.0 ~amd64
=kde-frameworks/kguiaddons-5.21.0 ~amd64
=kde-frameworks/kdewebkit-5.21.0 ~amd64
=kde-frameworks/kconfigwidgets-5.21.0 ~amd64
=kde-frameworks/kdbusaddons-5.21.0 ~amd64
=kde-plasma/kscreen-5.6.2 ~amd64
=kde-frameworks/knotifyconfig-5.21.0 ~amd64
=kde-frameworks/kdeclarative-5.21.0 ~amd64
=kde-frameworks/knewstuff-5.21.0 ~amd64
=kde-frameworks/sonnet-5.21.0 ~amd64
=kde-plasma/plasma-desktop-5.6.2 ~amd64
=kde-frameworks/kjobwidgets-5.21.0 ~amd64
=kde-frameworks/ktextwidgets-5.21.0 ~amd64
=kde-plasma/kde-gtk-config-5.6.2 ~amd64
=kde-frameworks/kinit-5.21.0 ~amd64
=kde-frameworks/kiconthemes-5.21.0 ~amd64
=kde-plasma/breeze-5.6.2 ~amd64
=kde-plasma/breeze-gtk-5.6.2 ~amd64
=kde-plasma/kinfocenter-5.6.2 ~amd64
=kde-plasma/plasma-workspace-5.6.2 ~amd64
=kde-frameworks/krunner-5.21.0 ~amd64
=kde-plasma/kmenuedit-5.6.2 ~amd64
=kde-frameworks/kemoticons-5.21.0 ~amd64


I figure one of those packages is responsible for this but none of them
are obvious to me as to if it is the one or not.  Anyone have a clue
which one it could be? 

Thanks.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

[gentoo-user] Re: KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[Jonathan Callen]

On 04/13/2016 04:06 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 13/04/2016 07:43, J. Roeleveld wrote:
>> On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 10:55:54 PM Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>> 
>>> Huh. S now 2 days after updating all of kde, I get to do it 
>>> again. Lots and lots and lots of these:
>>> 
>>> [ebuild U  ] kde-frameworks/krunner-5.21.0:5/5.21::gentoo 
>>> [5.20.0:5/5.20::gentoo]
>> 
>> Are you running "unstable"?
> 
> Yeah, ~arch. I've run that almost everywhere for years
> 


Plasma 5 (kde-plasma/*) releases a new minor version every four
months, and bugfixes at the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 7th, and 12th week after that.

KDE Frameworks (kde-frameworks/*) releases a new minor version every
month.

KDE Applications (kde-apps/*) releases a new version every four months
(not on the same schedule as Plasma), and bugfixes each month that
there isn't a new version.

Overall, there are plenty of updates coming.


-- 
Jonathan Callen



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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: confessions of a former USE=

[Dale]

»Q« wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 16:55:56 -0500
> Dale  wrote:
>
>> Marc Joliet wrote:
>>> On Wednesday 13 April 2016 16:20:06 Dale wrote:
>>>  
 May I ask where portpeek comes from?  I don't have it installed
 here.   
>>> Sure thing, it's in app-portage/portpeek.
>  
>> Well I would have never even guessed that one.  ROFL  Let's file a bug
>> report and get them to change the name to something no one would ever
>> guess.  LOL
> Let's call it hal!
>
> /me ducks
>
> Seriously, thanks for pointing us to portpeek, Marc. :)
>
>
>

I been using eix-test-* for a while.  It works fairly well and helps me
clean out the cruft.  It seems portpeek finds some things eix misses
tho.  I'm not sure how either does their thing but portpeek has more
results plus it is color coded as well.  ;-) 

I might add, it has a shorter name.  Thank goodness for tab completion. 
eix-t hit tab.  ;-)

Odd you mention hal.  One of the hits was a USE flag that disables hal. 
I was able to delete that line since hal is long gone.  I started to
leave it there just in case tho.  lol 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD stopped booting

[Corbin]

On 04/13/2016 04:30 PM, João Matos wrote:

Dear list,

I have a SSD disk that was booting Gentoo for almost two years. Last
weekend, I moved out. Now when I try to turn on my desktop, it freezes
before loading grub. After a while, it jumps to the second disc, then I
receive a error message because there is a invalid grup installed on
/dev/sdb.

The SSD I mentioned is apparently working pretty well. I booted my
desktop from a Ubuntu usb, and I was able to run several benchmarks
tools and even make a chroot to my Gentoo environment. I've verified the
disk performance, the filesystem (ext4), the inodes, the folder/files,
and everything appears do be normal.

I've also installed and configured grub2 again and was able to boot just
once. Everything worked fine after that boot, but, once again, It no
longer can boot.

The questions are: where should I look for clues? what Information do
you need?

Thank you all,

--
João Neto
Linux User #461527
http://br.linkedin.com/pub/jo%C3%A3o-de-matos/7/316/552


Simple Check ... Hope its this easy .)
Have you checked the partitions, partition flags, and partition boot 
sector on that drive?


( From Frank Steinmetzger )

Look at smartctl for starters.


Do you have sys-apps/smartmontools installed / smartd running?

If the boot sector has wear problems, SMART may show those 
bad/reallocated regions on that drive. Not sure how that works with the 
TRIM filesystem on SSDs.


Hope this helps.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: confessions of a former USE=

[Neil Bothwick]

On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 22:37:51 +0200, Marc Joliet wrote:

> >> That would be a useful addition to eix-test-obsolete, unless it's
> >> already there and I missed it.  
> >
> >It certainly would.  I've just tried to find it in man eix and
> >couldn't, but there's a lot in there.
> >
> >I'm going through my /etc/portage/package.use/ now (forgot about that
> >yesterday) and I've come across a few flags which don't exist any more.
> >As with the flags in my make.conf, I'm able to simply delete most of
> >what I had in package.use/ and the process is going quickly.  
> 
> portpeek -s can be used for checking package.use (but not make.conf).
> I use it in addition to eix-test-obsolete.

That looks useful, thanks.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Top Oxymorons Number 6: Pretty ugly


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[gentoo-user] Re: confessions of a former USE=

[»Q«]

On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 16:55:56 -0500
Dale  wrote:

> Marc Joliet wrote:
> >
> > On Wednesday 13 April 2016 16:20:06 Dale wrote:
> >  
> > >May I ask where portpeek comes from?  I don't have it installed
> > >here.   

> > Sure thing, it's in app-portage/portpeek.
 
> Well I would have never even guessed that one.  ROFL  Let's file a bug
> report and get them to change the name to something no one would ever
> guess.  LOL

Let's call it hal!

/me ducks

Seriously, thanks for pointing us to portpeek, Marc. :)

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD stopped booting

[Frank Steinmetzger]

On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 06:30:13PM -0300, João Matos wrote:
> Dear list,
> 
> I have a SSD disk that was booting Gentoo for almost two years. Last
> weekend, I moved out. Now when I try to turn on my desktop, it freezes
> before loading grub.
> [...]
> The SSD I mentioned is apparently working pretty well. I booted my desktop
> from a Ubuntu usb, and I was able to run several benchmarks tools and even
> make a chroot to my Gentoo environment. I've verified the disk performance,
> the filesystem (ext4), the inodes, the folder/files, and everything appears
> do be normal.

> The questions are: where should I look for clues? what Information do you
> need?

Look at smartctl for starters.

-- 
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Please do not share anything from, with or about me with any social network.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: confessions of a former USE=

[Michael Orlitzky]

On 04/13/2016 02:00 PM, »Q« wrote:
> 
> I should qualify that -- a lot of the descriptions suck, not all of
> them.  When in doubt, I let the profile decide.
> 

Nah, most of them suck. USE=derp enables libderp? Awesome. WTF does
libderp actually DO for this package? We need a policy change to force
developers to document all of their USE flags, but nobody wants to do
the work I guess. (It would be hard.)

First, you'd have to update euse (or a similar tool) to make the
information available. There's no point in adding nice descriptions to
metadata.xml if the users can't query it.

Then, you'd have to figure out all the exceptions. Eclasses can add
things to IUSE, so you would have to figure out the right language, like
"you must document every flag in IUSE in the *ebuild*". You'd also want
exceptions in cases like security bugs -- if there's a vulnerability in
PHP tomorrow, you don't want to force me to add descriptions for 50 USE
flags before I can fix it. Maybe just grandfather in existing versions.

Repoman needs to enforce it, or else people will ignore it.

Finally, you'd have to push it through the council and fight about it on
the mailing lists for a while.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: confessions of a former USE=

[Dale]

Marc Joliet wrote:
>
> On Wednesday 13 April 2016 16:20:06 Dale wrote:
>
> >May I ask where portpeek comes from?  I don't have it installed here. 
>
>  
>
> Sure thing, it's in app-portage/portpeek.
>
>  
>
> >Thanks.
>
> >
>
> >Dale
>
> >
>
> >:-)  :-) 
>
>  
>
> You're Welcome
>
> -- 
>
> Marc Joliet
>
> --
>
> "People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who
> know we
>
> don't" - Bjarne Stroustrup
>
>  
>


Well I would have never even guessed that one.  ROFL  Let's file a bug
report and get them to change the name to something no one would ever
guess.  LOL 

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[Dale]

Yuri K. Shatroff wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> 12.04.2016 08:38, Dale wrote:
>> Howdy,
>>
>> Well, I went and did it.
>
> So I went and did it, too.
> Thank gods I made a backup. After emerging plasma-meta which wasn't
> too easy because of dependency hell with eg networkmanager (Use-flag
> on plasma-meta was off but it turned out that another dependency
> (`plasma-workspace`) has a quite irrelevant use-flag (`geolocation`)
> which pulls in networkmanager) and ruby and all, I just got a black
> screen with a sole mouse pointer. When I click mouse buttons, it
> flickers and shows a glimpse of what the desktop should be, but then
> again switches to black screen. I tried to remove ~/.kde4 but nothing
> effectively changed.
> Thanks but No thanks, I prefer to restore my backup. Not gonna repeat
> this at home.
>
>


I'm not sure on where you got the black screen.  If it is when X
started, did you switch to sddm or some other compatible display
manager?  The old kdm isn't supported and from what I read, doesn't
work.  That may explain the black screen. 

If it after you login, did you select the write session?  At first, I
wasn't sure which one to pick.  There is a couple at least KDE related. 
I think I had one that said plasma and one that said KDE wayland.  I
have seen wayland talked about and tried it but I got a black screen.  I
had to restart xdm to reset it.  Then I chose plasma from the list and
it worked.  So, make sure you pick the right one. 

I might add, I don't solely depend on KDE for my desktop.  I have
Fluxbox and some other one as a backup.  If for some reason KDE doesn't
work, I use one of the backup desktops to get help.  Sometimes, it can
be something simple to fix which is better than losing everything that
was already done.  For me, it doesn't matter what that backup is as long
as my web browser and email program will run and is usable.  If I have
that, I can google and if needed post on this list for help. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: confessions of a former USE=

[Marc Joliet]

On Wednesday 13 April 2016 16:20:06 Dale wrote:
>May I ask where portpeek comes from?  I don't have it installed here.

Sure thing, it's in app-portage/portpeek.

>Thanks.
>
>Dale
>
>:-)  :-)

You're Welcome
--
Marc Joliet
--
"People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who know we
don't" - Bjarne Stroustrup



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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[Dale]

»Q« wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 22:11:22 -0500
> Dale  wrote:
>
>> J. Roeleveld wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 01:21:37 PM Dale wrote:  
 J. Roeleveld wrote:  
 Once in there, I found lots of things to help get things to where
 I could work with them.  I found out that I could add multiple
 desktops back and at that point, the desktop pager thingy appeared
 and worked.  I guess when it is set to 1 desktop, it doesn't show
 up or something.  
>>> Which seems logical behaviour to me. And the same happened here
>>> after configuring it.  
>> It is logical.  I knew I had to enable multiple desktops but since the
>> settings thing wasn't working, I couldn't figure out how to enable
>> it. When I did a google search, I saw where several folks said it was
>> gone which caused me great concern.  I got to much stuff going on
>> right now to redo my whole setup.
> The whining about it being "gone" in your search results is probably
> because an important (to some people) feature is gone -- you can't have
> different backgrounds and widgets on different virtual desktops within
> the same activity any more.  Apparently that feature was buggy in 
> KDE 4, though I never had problems with it, so they decided to ditch
> it.  They have a plan to re-implement it, but I have no idea how long
> it might take.
>
> Earlier you said the new desktop didn't pick up any of the old KDE 4
> settings;  I can't find that post, so I'm replying here.  For me, it
> picked up a few at least.  Under KDE 4, I had changed my "location"
> directories, e.g. the pictures and music directories, and Plasma 5
> kept my locations intact.  I also had a couple of scripts in
> autostart, and Plasma 5 is using them;  I'm not sure if it copied them
> to a new location or just left them where they were. 
>
>
>

I found a couple articles/blogs about it but once I got to the point
that it was gone, I just figured it was gone all together.  I read one
of them pretty well since it was the one that was most on point and
recently written and it sounded like multiple desktops was just gone
completely.  I just hope that person eventually runs up on that setting
so they can get it back.  Of course, that said, I could make the
activity thing work but it would be one more thing to get used to.  I
was getting there with it.  One day, I just may switch to it because the
multiple desktops may be gone one day.  It's been around a long time
already. 

On the fresh config, I noticed that too.  At first, it seemed to start
out fresh but while digging around and getting to some things that were
not on the top of my list, I found some settings that were the same as
before but doubtful they would be a default.  So, it seems that some
settings that they knew should work did get moved over.  Still tho,
given the huge change, I wonder if a fresh start may not be a better
plan?  I guess it depends on just how much was changed, which is likely
a LOT. 

After using a day or so now, it has some good points.  It seems faster
but can't quite put my finger on it.  While some things are different
they do work fairly well.  It's much better than KDE3 to KDE4 type thing
for sure.  Only really bad thing, I still get the plasma crash pop up
and I have to click for it to restart and close the pop up.  It's
annoying but at least it restarts and works just like before.  I did do
a emerge -e world and restart everything.  It still crashes at times so
it isn't some code mismatch.  I'm going to dig around and see if I can
find some unstable packages to run for a while and see if they have a fix. 

Overall tho, it works.  Different but works.  It is leaps and bounds
better than hal.  Don't get me started on hal.  ;-)

Dale

:-)  :-) 

[gentoo-user] SSD stopped booting

[João Matos]

Dear list,

I have a SSD disk that was booting Gentoo for almost two years. Last
weekend, I moved out. Now when I try to turn on my desktop, it freezes
before loading grub. After a while, it jumps to the second disc, then I
receive a error message because there is a invalid grup installed on
/dev/sdb.

The SSD I mentioned is apparently working pretty well. I booted my desktop
from a Ubuntu usb, and I was able to run several benchmarks tools and even
make a chroot to my Gentoo environment. I've verified the disk performance,
the filesystem (ext4), the inodes, the folder/files, and everything appears
do be normal.

I've also installed and configured grub2 again and was able to boot just
once. Everything worked fine after that boot, but, once again, It no longer
can boot.

The questions are: where should I look for clues? what Information do you
need?

Thank you all,

-- 
João Neto
Linux User #461527
http://br.linkedin.com/pub/jo%C3%A3o-de-matos/7/316/552

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[Neil Bothwick]

On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 15:43:54 -0500, »Q« wrote:

> My automatically-created sddm.conf has
> 
> [General]
> HaltCommand=/sbin/shutdown -h -P now
> Numlock=none
> RebootCommand=/sbin/shutdown -r now
> 
> which looks alright to me.  I'll try troubleshooting this later, but if
> anyone has any suggestions I'd appreciate them any time.

Mine has

[General]
HaltCommand=
RebootCommand=


-- 
Neil Bothwick

If a man is standing in the middle of the forest speaking and there is
no woman around to hear him - Is he still wrong?


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: confessions of a former USE=

[Dale]

Marc Joliet wrote:
>
> On Wednesday 13 April 2016 15:16:56 »Q« wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 20:14:28 +0100
>
> >
>
> >Neil Bothwick  wrote:
>
> >> On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 13:00:54 -0500, »Q« wrote:
>
> >> > > I don't mind this so much, as when flags become deprecated and
>
> >> > > there is no notification, or a tool, to ferret out such
>
> >> > > dead-flags
>
> >> >
>
> >> > I should qualify that -- a lot of the descriptions suck, not all of
>
> >> > them. When in doubt, I let the profile decide.
>
> >> >
>
> >> > I think app-portage/ufed automagicly gets rid of dead flags
>
> >> > whenever it saves make.conf.
>
> >>
>
> >> That would be a useful addition to eix-test-obsolete, unless it's
>
> >> already there and I missed it.
>
> >
>
> >It certainly would. I've just tried to find it in man eix and
>
> >couldn't, but there's a lot in there.
>
> >
>
> >I'm going through my /etc/portage/package.use/ now (forgot about that
>
> >yesterday) and I've come across a few flags which don't exist any more.
>
> >As with the flags in my make.conf, I'm able to simply delete most of
>
> >what I had in package.use/ and the process is going quickly.
>
>  
>
> portpeek -s can be used for checking package.use (but not make.conf).
> I use it in addition to eix-test-obsolete.
>
>  
>
> HTH
>
> -- 
>
> Marc Joliet
>
> --
>
> "People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who
> know we
>
> don't" - Bjarne Stroustrup
>
>  
>

May I ask where portpeek comes from?  I don't have it installed here. 

Thanks.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

[gentoo-user] Re: KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[»Q«]

On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 21:19:30 +0100
Neil Bothwick  wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:30:48 -0500, »Q« wrote:
> 
> > > > > That's because kdm is dead. I found sddm a little flakey. On
> > > > > my laptop it works more or less as expected, but on my
> > > > > desktop, selecting reboot or power off from the desktop drops
> > > > > me back to sddm without rebooting. I'm nit sure if this is an
> > > > > issue with sddm or plasma, maybe I'll try slim instead.  
> > > 
> > > > SDDM was doing that to me too until I created a default
> > > > config.  
> > > 
> > > That appears to have worked, thanks.
> > 
> > I have a default config, but I can't reboot or shutdown from sddm.
> > If I press one of those buttons, a 30-second timer starts.
> > Pressing more buttons to try to skip the timer just restarts the
> > timer.  Letting the timer run down, it gets to zero then goes
> > beyond, into negative integers.  
> 
> That's a different problem, mine was that I couldn't reboot or
> shutdown fro the desktop, it dropped me back as sddm as if I'd
> selected Logout. Then I could shutdown from sddm.

Thanks -- I understood you the first time but had forgotten what you
said by the time I replied downthread.  D'oh!

My automatically-created sddm.conf has

[General]
HaltCommand=/sbin/shutdown -h -P now
Numlock=none
RebootCommand=/sbin/shutdown -r now

which looks alright to me.  I'll try troubleshooting this later, but if
anyone has any suggestions I'd appreciate them any time.


 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: confessions of a former USE=

[Marc Joliet]

On Wednesday 13 April 2016 15:16:56 »Q« wrote:
>On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 20:14:28 +0100
>
>Neil Bothwick  wrote:
>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 13:00:54 -0500, »Q« wrote:
>> > > I don't mind this so much, as when flags become deprecated and
>> > > there is no notification, or a tool, to ferret out such
>> > > dead-flags
>> >
>> > I should qualify that -- a lot of the descriptions suck, not all of
>> > them.  When in doubt, I let the profile decide.
>> >
>> > I think app-portage/ufed automagicly gets rid of dead flags
>> > whenever it saves make.conf.
>>
>> That would be a useful addition to eix-test-obsolete, unless it's
>> already there and I missed it.
>
>It certainly would.  I've just tried to find it in man eix and
>couldn't, but there's a lot in there.
>
>I'm going through my /etc/portage/package.use/ now (forgot about that
>yesterday) and I've come across a few flags which don't exist any more.
>As with the flags in my make.conf, I'm able to simply delete most of
>what I had in package.use/ and the process is going quickly.

portpeek -s can be used for checking package.use (but not make.conf).  I use it 
in
addition to eix-test-obsolete.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[Neil Bothwick]

On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:30:48 -0500, »Q« wrote:

> > > > That's because kdm is dead. I found sddm a little flakey. On my
> > > > laptop it works more or less as expected, but on my desktop,
> > > > selecting reboot or power off from the desktop drops me back to
> > > > sddm without rebooting. I'm nit sure if this is an issue with
> > > > sddm or plasma, maybe I'll try slim instead.
> >   
> > > SDDM was doing that to me too until I created a default config.
> > 
> > That appears to have worked, thanks.  
> 
> I have a default config, but I can't reboot or shutdown from sddm.  If
> I press one of those buttons, a 30-second timer starts.  Pressing more
> buttons to try to skip the timer just restarts the timer.  Letting the
> timer run down, it gets to zero then goes beyond, into negative
> integers.

That's a different problem, mine was that I couldn't reboot or shutdown
fro the desktop, it dropped me back as sddm as if I'd selected Logout.
Then I could shutdown from sddm.


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[gentoo-user] Re: confessions of a former USE=

[»Q«]

On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 20:14:28 +0100
Neil Bothwick  wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 13:00:54 -0500, »Q« wrote:
> 
> > > I don't mind this so much, as when flags become deprecated and
> > > there is no notification, or a tool, to ferret out such
> > > dead-flags
> > 
> > I should qualify that -- a lot of the descriptions suck, not all of
> > them.  When in doubt, I let the profile decide.
> > 
> > I think app-portage/ufed automagicly gets rid of dead flags
> > whenever it saves make.conf.  
> 
> That would be a useful addition to eix-test-obsolete, unless it's
> already there and I missed it.

It certainly would.  I've just tried to find it in man eix and
couldn't, but there's a lot in there.

I'm going through my /etc/portage/package.use/ now (forgot about that
yesterday) and I've come across a few flags which don't exist any more.
As with the flags in my make.conf, I'm able to simply delete most of
what I had in package.use/ and the process is going quickly.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: confessions of a former USE=

[Neil Bothwick]

On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 13:00:54 -0500, »Q« wrote:

> > I don't mind this so much, as when flags become deprecated and there
> > is no notification, or a tool, to ferret out such dead-flags  
> 
> I should qualify that -- a lot of the descriptions suck, not all of
> them.  When in doubt, I let the profile decide.
> 
> I think app-portage/ufed automagicly gets rid of dead flags whenever it
> saves make.conf.

That would be a useful addition to eix-test-obsolete, unless it's already
there and I missed it.


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[gentoo-user] Re: confessions of a former USE=

[»Q«]

On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 16:08:40 + (UTC)
James  wrote:

> »Q«  gmx.net> writes:

> > Most of the time spent was actually looking at USE flag
> > descriptions, which continue to suck.
> 
> I don't mind this so much, as when flags become deprecated and there
> is no notification, or a tool, to ferret out such dead-flags

I should qualify that -- a lot of the descriptions suck, not all of
them.  When in doubt, I let the profile decide.

I think app-portage/ufed automagicly gets rid of dead flags whenever it
saves make.conf.

[gentoo-user] Re: confessions of a former USE=

[James]

»Q«  gmx.net> writes:


> tl;dr:  Getting rid of USE="-*" was a lot easier than I'd expected.  A
> little rebuilding, a lot of (easy) USE flag pruning, and I'm done.

> Until yesterday, I've had USE="-*" for years.  

I've only used (USE="-*") for small systems like firewalls, devices,
or other minimized servers. If you think about it, most of us,
on a workstation, what everything that will work. The exception being
somebody with meager resources or other minimizations that warrant constraint.


> Most of the time spent was actually looking at USE flag descriptions,
> which continue to suck.  


I don't mind this so much, as when flags become deprecated and there
is no notification, or a tool, to ferret out such dead-flags


Enjoyed reading your confessions


James

[gentoo-user] confessions of a former USE="-*" user

[»Q«]

tl;dr:  Getting rid of USE="-*" was a lot easier than I'd expected.  A
little rebuilding, a lot of (easy) USE flag pruning, and I'm done.

Until yesterday, I've had USE="-*" for years.  It caused me some time
sometimes, but I learned a lot during the time it cost me, so overall
I don't regret it.  The reason I decided to get rid of it was that
because of the state Plasma 5 is in, the packaging devs have to use the
plasma profile for quite a few per-package USE flags, and I knew I
wouldn't have enough time (or motivation) to keep up with changes to
those.

I switched to Plasma 5 with USE="-*" still in place, but I copied the
package.use from the plasma profile to my own package.use to get
through it.

Then I took USE="-*" out of make.conf and deleted the Plasma 5
package.use I had copied from the profile.  
'emerge -puvD --changed-use @world' wanted to rebuild ~80 packages.  I
went through a few iterations of tweaking my flags and examining 
emerge -p output, until it got down to ~35 packages.  At that point, I
decided I was past the point of diminishing returns, removed the -p,
and let the rebuilding go forward.  (I excluded libreoffice, since I
knew there was more re-rebuilding to come.)  

At this point, there was still a lot of USE cruft in my make.conf.  I
thought I'd go through it slowly over a few days, removing a few flags
at a time and running emerge -p to see what would happen.  It turned
out to be a *lot* faster than I had expected -- the desktop plasma
profile has enabled almost every one of the flags I had enabled
manually.  I removed "foo bar baz qux xyzzy" from USE and ran 
emerge -p over and over again.  Almost always, there was no change;
very occasionally I'd have to put a flag back.  

After all that, I removed the PYTHON* and RUBY* variables from my
make.conf and had ~10 more packages to rebuild.  I now have ruby 20 in
addition to the ruby 21 I had before, and I have no idea why.  (The
python and ruby stuff always made me nervous because I never fully
understood it, and it's a relief to let the profile handle them from
now on.)

I'm done now except for the libreoffice rebuild, which is happening as
I type.  I thought I'd spend days on the change, but using spare bits of
time during one day, I'd guess I spent 45 minutes to an hour on it.
Using USE="-*" means overriding all the dev decisions and making one's
own;  I was surprised to find out how little my decisions had deviated
from the ones in the profile.  I did learn a lot from having USE="-*"
for so long, but I did not have a system that was significantly
different than anyone who was just using a desktop profile.

Most of the time spent was actually looking at USE flag descriptions,
which continue to suck.  

[gentoo-user] Re: KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[»Q«]

On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 22:11:22 -0500
Dale  wrote:

> J. Roeleveld wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 01:21:37 PM Dale wrote:  
> >> J. Roeleveld wrote:  

> >> Once in there, I found lots of things to help get things to where
> >> I could work with them.  I found out that I could add multiple
> >> desktops back and at that point, the desktop pager thingy appeared
> >> and worked.  I guess when it is set to 1 desktop, it doesn't show
> >> up or something.  

> > Which seems logical behaviour to me. And the same happened here
> > after configuring it.  
> 
> It is logical.  I knew I had to enable multiple desktops but since the
> settings thing wasn't working, I couldn't figure out how to enable
> it. When I did a google search, I saw where several folks said it was
> gone which caused me great concern.  I got to much stuff going on
> right now to redo my whole setup.

The whining about it being "gone" in your search results is probably
because an important (to some people) feature is gone -- you can't have
different backgrounds and widgets on different virtual desktops within
the same activity any more.  Apparently that feature was buggy in 
KDE 4, though I never had problems with it, so they decided to ditch
it.  They have a plan to re-implement it, but I have no idea how long
it might take.

Earlier you said the new desktop didn't pick up any of the old KDE 4
settings;  I can't find that post, so I'm replying here.  For me, it
picked up a few at least.  Under KDE 4, I had changed my "location"
directories, e.g. the pictures and music directories, and Plasma 5
kept my locations intact.  I also had a couple of scripts in
autostart, and Plasma 5 is using them;  I'm not sure if it copied them
to a new location or just left them where they were. 

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[Alec Ten Harmsel]

On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 09:55:48PM -0500, Dale wrote:
> 
> If anyone is brave enough to file a bug, I can say that it doesn't focus
> on the password here either.  It selects the user but that's it.  Since
> it works on some themes and not others, makes one wonder if the theme
> has something to do with it. 
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-) 

I have been writing a lot of Qt'd code recently. If I have time and
remember, I'll fix it. Can't be that hard.

Alec

[gentoo-user] Re: KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[»Q«]

On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 00:17:48 +0100
Neil Bothwick  wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 14:00:37 -0700, Daniel Frey wrote:
> 
> > > That's because kdm is dead. I found sddm a little flakey. On my
> > > laptop it works more or less as expected, but on my desktop,
> > > selecting reboot or power off from the desktop drops me back to
> > > sddm without rebooting. I'm nit sure if this is an issue with
> > > sddm or plasma, maybe I'll try slim instead.  
> 
> > SDDM was doing that to me too until I created a default config.  
> 
> That appears to have worked, thanks.

I have a default config, but I can't reboot or shutdown from sddm.  If
I press one of those buttons, a 30-second timer starts.  Pressing more
buttons to try to skip the timer just restarts the timer.  Letting the
timer run down, it gets to zero then goes beyond, into negative
integers.  I can live with that;  it's rare that I want to shut down
from the login manager, and switching to a virtual terminal lets me
escape.

[gentoo-user] Re: KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[»Q«]

On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 22:43:26 +0200
Alan McKinnon  wrote:

> On 12/04/2016 22:31, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 10:18:50 PM Alan McKinnon wrote:  

> >> I unblocked them here, and re-emerged both. Nothing extra was
> >> pulled in, so there are no conflicting libs.
> >>
> >> Unfortunately I can't attach a screenshot as proof - both remove
> >> their own window to do the capture :-)  
> > 
> > Find a 3rd one to do it with.
> > Or take a picture with a mobile phone? :)  
> 
> I considered that, then I remembered that I'm a lazy sod, so I didn't!

A second instance of ksnapshot should work.  (But I don't need proof --
I believe you. :)

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[Yuri K. Shatroff]

Hi guys,

12.04.2016 08:38, Dale wrote:

Howdy,

Well, I went and did it.


So I went and did it, too.
Thank gods I made a backup. After emerging plasma-meta which wasn't too 
easy because of dependency hell with eg networkmanager (Use-flag on 
plasma-meta was off but it turned out that another dependency 
(`plasma-workspace`) has a quite irrelevant use-flag (`geolocation`) 
which pulls in networkmanager) and ruby and all, I just got a black 
screen with a sole mouse pointer. When I click mouse buttons, it 
flickers and shows a glimpse of what the desktop should be, but then 
again switches to black screen. I tried to remove ~/.kde4 but nothing 
effectively changed.
Thanks but No thanks, I prefer to restore my backup. Not gonna repeat 
this at home.



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Yuri K. Shatroff

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[Neil Bothwick]

On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 21:22:12 -0700, Daniel Frey wrote:

> > If anyone is brave enough to file a bug, I can say that it doesn't
> > focus on the password here either.  It selects the user but that's
> > it.  Since it works on some themes and not others, makes one wonder
> > if the theme has something to do with it. 

> Apparently it does have something to do with the theme. I found this by
> accident when looking around for more themes:
> 
> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337079
> 
> I supposed if you wanted to edit it yourself it could be fixed.

The bodge posted in that bug report is in the Breeze theme file, which
must be why it works, but there is no corresponding section in the Maui
theme. I use auto-login so I rarely see the sddm screen anyway, so I'll
just leave it at Breeze.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[Alan McKinnon]

On 13/04/2016 07:43, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 10:55:54 PM Alan McKinnon wrote:
>> On 12/04/2016 22:46, Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
>>> On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 10:18:50PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> [...] I wasn't aware of Spectacle. I've just tried it an is seems to do
> much the same as ksnapshot, just with a lot more white space in the UI -
> but WTF do they block one another, they're only screen shot programs?

 [...]
 I unblocked them here, and re-emerged both. Nothing extra was pulled in,
 so there are no conflicting libs.

 Unfortunately I can't attach a screenshot as proof - both remove their
 own window to do the capture :-)
>>>
>>> import -window root screenshot.png
>>
>> Huh. S now 2 days after updating all of kde, I get to do it again. Lots
>> and lots and lots of these:
>>
>> [ebuild U  ] kde-frameworks/krunner-5.21.0:5/5.21::gentoo
>> [5.20.0:5/5.20::gentoo]
> 
> Are you running "unstable"?

Yeah, ~arch. I've run that almost everywhere for years


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Re: [gentoo-user] Package 'dev-perl/Net-DNS-1.40.0' NOT merged due to file collisions.

[Konstantin]

Hello,

We have updated dev-perl/Net-DNS to 1.40.0 .
rbldns and spf functions does not work in spamassassin-3.4.0.

So we had to downgrade to version 0.740.0

On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 8:57 PM, Alan McKinnon 
wrote:

> On 12/04/2016 07:17, Dale wrote:
> > J. Roeleveld wrote:
> >> On April 11, 2016 11:04:59 AM GMT+02:00, Dale 
> wrote:
> >>> Howdy,
> >>>
> >>> I did a google search and it had zero results.  Long time since I seen
> >>> that happen.  Anyone else run into this?  Basically, portage says it is
> >>> about to clobber some files it shouldn't so it puked out all this
> >>> mess.:/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  large snip >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thoughts?
> >>>
> >>> Dale
> >>>
> >>> :-)  :-)
> >> It conflicts with "dev-perl/Net-DNS-SEC-0.220.0:0::gentoo".
> >>
> >> (See full text you quoted)
> >>
> >> Check for an existing bug and file one if there isn't any yet. Listing
> both packages.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Joost
> >
> > Yea, it was.  I haven't seen that happen in AGES.  I was sort of shocked
> > that I got that and was mostly wondering if anyone else ran into it or
> > is it just me.  If someone else had, I would file a roach report but
> > since it appears to be just me, it is likely something that only
> > affected me somehow.  It's not like that hasn't happened before either.
> > lol
> >
> > Anyway, I -C'd the thing and then deleted the files it listed.  After
> > that, emerge stopped puking at me.  ;-)
>
>
> It's still somewhat common with all the moving things around in perl
> land for the past year. I guess I've had it about 5 times.
>
> Packages change, perl devs merge two cpan modules or split one into two.
> It's hard to keep track and always get it right so sometimes the ebuild
> maintainer misses something 
>
> --
> Alan McKinnon
> alan.mckin...@gmail.com
>
>
>


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE and the new plasma 5 thing

[J. Roeleveld]

On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 10:19:39 PM Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 22:17:38 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> > > I don't use the meta packages, preferring to define my own set with
> > > the packages I want, so I wasn't aware of Spectacle. I've just tried
> > > it an is seems to do much the same as ksnapshot, just with a lot more
> > > white space in the UI
> > 
> > Don't forget:
> > - No auto-incrementing of screenshot-numbers
> > - Always defaults to PNG (Why!?!!?!)
> > - Always defaults to a the ~/Pictures folder
> > 
> >(Folder can be adjusted in the settings, but why not the previous
> > 
> > one)
> > - When wanting to use "save as...", you first need to click the little
> > triangle
> 
> OK I accept when you start to actually use it rather than just giving it
> a try, it sucks!!

Yep.
Most common use-case for me (eg. once a month) is to take screenshots of the 
timesheet-application used at my customer to forward to my manager.
The "window" is a remote desktop of which I only need a certain section.

With KSnapshot the whole process takes less then 5 minutes.
With Spectacle it took me 30 minutes...

> > > - but WTF do they block one another, they're only screen shot
> > > programs?
> > 
> > I read somewhere there is a "wrapper" included to call Spectacle when
> > someone tries to start "ksnapshot"...
> 
> So it's a "compatibility layer" for people so stupid they shouldn't be
> running Gentoo in the first place...

Apparently.
But Alan McKinnon said the blockage is actually pointless as there is no 
conflict...

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