Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kadu 2.1...OTR / Encryption defunct ???

[J. Roeleveld]

On April 19, 2016 12:34:35 AM GMT+02:00, James  wrote:
>Corbin  charter.net> writes:
>
>
>> Understanding should not hinge on other peoples convenience.
>
>If you look at the Subject and then read the (naked) post,
>it does make sense. This thread is much ado about nothing, imho.
>
>Mobile posters, often cut more than one would at a workstation,
>or top post. Not ideal, but not a big deal either. Gmane.org forces me
>to have responses larger than the quoted material, so there is
>a wide spectrum of semantics related to postings and follow ups.
>
>
>hth,
>James

I am using my mobile at least as much as my desktop.
For simple posts, the interface of my mobile works and can easily quote and 
bottompost.
If I need to edit the post more, I tend to wait till I have access to a decent 
mailer.

Topposting and not quoting can not be blamed on the tool anymore.

--
Joost 
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Re: [gentoo-user] make oldconfig ?

[Daniel Frey]

On 04/18/2016 07:01 PM, James wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> After copying the current ".config" to the newly linked sources
> (/usr/src/linux) I use to run 'make oldconfig'. Now, looking at
> the gentoo wiki [1]  I see (2) choices but no 'make oldconfig'::
> 
> 1) #make silentoldconfig
> 
> 2) #make olddefconfig
> 
> 3) #make oldconfig
> 
> (3) still seems to work. (2) uses defaults so I do not want that, but
> what about (1)? What's the difference between (1) and (3) ? Where do
> I read about them of find the sources?
> 

make silentoldconfig works the same way as oldconfig, but it doesn't
echo every thing it parses, it only prints to the screen when it has a
question.

Dan

[gentoo-user] make oldconfig ?

[James]

Hello,

After copying the current ".config" to the newly linked sources
(/usr/src/linux) I use to run 'make oldconfig'. Now, looking at
the gentoo wiki [1]  I see (2) choices but no 'make oldconfig'::

1) #make silentoldconfig

2) #make olddefconfig

3) #make oldconfig

(3) still seems to work. (2) uses defaults so I do not want that, but
what about (1)? What's the difference between (1) and (3) ? Where do
I read about them of find the sources?

I did notice after running (3) and then 'make && make modules install'
the slilentoldconfig script was ran (it flashed by quickly)::

scripts/kconfig/conf --silentoldconfig Kconfig

Evidently, I'm a step behind kernel building semantics

curiously,
James


[1] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Kernel/Upgrade

Re: [gentoo-user] Kadu 2.1...OTR / Encryption defunct ???

[wabe]

Neil Bothwick  wrote:

> That's not the point.

lol

+1

--
Regards
wabe

[gentoo-user] Re: Kadu 2.1...OTR / Encryption defunct ???

[James]

  gmx.de> writes:


> Hi,
>  He uses > kadu 3.0 windows and I tried kadu-2.1 GENTOO. 

Maybe file a bug requesting that the gentoo dev upgrade the package
ebuild for kadu to 3.0? It seems to be widely available.


# equery m kadu

Maintainer:  reave...@gentoo.org (Maciej Mrozowski)


Perhaps a pleasant note directly why you want to test
the new ebuild as the dev prepares it?
Perhaps a kadu forum where folks talk about issues of kadu?

It (kadu-3x) seems to be available for debian [1].

hth,
James


[1]https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=kadu

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kadu 2.1...OTR / Encryption defunct ???

[Dale]

James wrote:
> Corbin  charter.net> writes:
>
>
>> Understanding should not hinge on other peoples convenience.
> If you look at the Subject and then read the (naked) post,
> it does make sense. This thread is much ado about nothing, imho.
>
> Mobile posters, often cut more than one would at a workstation,
> or top post. Not ideal, but not a big deal either. Gmane.org forces me
> to have responses larger than the quoted material, so there is
> a wide spectrum of semantics related to postings and follow ups.
>
>
> hth,
> James
>

Most on this list that I have seen, have that info in their sig.  That
way we at least know why something may not be "normal".  Some all but go
to war trying to make it work right tho.  ;-)

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Kadu 2.1...OTR / Encryption defunct ???

[Neil Bothwick]

That's not the point.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kadu 2.1...OTR / Encryption defunct ???

[Neil Bothwick]

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 22:34:35 + (UTC), James wrote:

> > Understanding should not hinge on other peoples convenience.  
> 
> If you look at the Subject and then read the (naked) post,
> it does make sense. This thread is much ado about nothing, imho.

It makes more sense than his unquoted replies in other threads, but
that's not saying much.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Suicidal twin kills sister by mistake!


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[gentoo-user] Re: Kadu 2.1...OTR / Encryption defunct ???

[James]

Corbin  charter.net> writes:


> Understanding should not hinge on other peoples convenience.

If you look at the Subject and then read the (naked) post,
it does make sense. This thread is much ado about nothing, imho.

Mobile posters, often cut more than one would at a workstation,
or top post. Not ideal, but not a big deal either. Gmane.org forces me
to have responses larger than the quoted material, so there is
a wide spectrum of semantics related to postings and follow ups.


hth,
James

Re: [gentoo-user] Calm

[Marc Joliet]

On Saturday 16 April 2016 14:48:51 Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>Hello, Gentoo.
>
>I'm just saying hello to confirm I'm still here.
>
>For many months now, Gentoo has simply worked for me, without problems.
>I sync my system several times a week, and emerge just works.
>
>The last bit of excitement I had was in early 2015 when I was trying to
>sort out the mess in my xfce4 system after gnome-3 had been made stable.
>In the end, I gave up and reinstalled Gentoo, which this time took me
>only a week.
>
>Admittedly, there's very little which is cutting edge on my system - the
>box is 6½ years old, it boots with lilo on an old fashioned BIOS, my
>filesystems are ext3 (or in one case, ext2) on spinning rust.  The only
>remotely adventurous things I've got are RAID-1 (via the kernel) and
>lvm2.
>
>So a big thanks to all the developers who've brought about this happy
>state of affairs!

I concur!

-- 
Marc Joliet
--
"People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who know we
don't" - Bjarne Stroustrup


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Re: [gentoo-user] Kadu 2.1...OTR / Encryption defunct ???

[Corbin]

On 04/18/2016 05:12 PM, Corbin wrote:



On 04/18/2016 04:44 PM, Dale wrote:

R0b0t1 wrote:

>
>I never found it inconvenient. Complicated discussions will have me
>reply inline.
>

It isn't about YOUR convenience.  It's about the other 1,000's of people
that subscribe to this list.




Incomplete snippets of conversations lead to incomplete understandings
and incomplete / wrong advice.



Apologies, sent the previous before it was ready.

+1 ( Dale )

Incomplete snippets of conversations lead to incomplete understandings
and incomplete / wrong advice. ( i.e. GIGO )

Understanding should not hinge on other peoples convenience.

Re: [gentoo-user] Kadu 2.1...OTR / Encryption defunct ???

[Corbin]

On 04/18/2016 04:44 PM, Dale wrote:

R0b0t1 wrote:

>
>I never found it inconvenient. Complicated discussions will have me
>reply inline.
>

It isn't about YOUR convenience.  It's about the other 1,000's of people
that subscribe to this list.




Incomplete snippets of conversations lead to incomplete understandings 
and incomplete / wrong advice.

Re: [gentoo-user] Kadu 2.1...OTR / Encryption defunct ???

[Dale]

R0b0t1 wrote:
>
> I never found it inconvenient. Complicated discussions will have me
> reply inline.
>

It isn't about YOUR convenience.  It's about the other 1,000's of people
that subscribe to this list. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Kadu 2.1...OTR / Encryption defunct ???

[J. Roeleveld]

On April 18, 2016 11:39:10 PM GMT+02:00, R0b0t1  wrote:
>I never found it inconvenient. Complicated discussions will have me
>reply
>inline.

You have never found what inconvenient?

Please follow the rules of this (and every other technical) mailinglist.
-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Kadu 2.1...OTR / Encryption defunct ???

[R0b0t1]

I never found it inconvenient. Complicated discussions will have me reply
inline.

Re: [gentoo-user] Kadu 2.1...OTR / Encryption defunct ???

[Alan McKinnon]

On 18/04/2016 23:11, R0b0t1 wrote:
> No. How much harder does it make it to follow?
> 


It makes it *much* harder to know what you are answering to. To find
that out, I have to find and click on the previous email, see that
person's message then go back to yours and fit both together in my brain.

Why do I have to do this? Because you stripped out everything from the
prior mail.

On this list, there has been a long-standing tradition that we try to
use inter-leaved replies and strip out irrelevant sections for previous
mails. We do this because it makes the thread readable and
understandable to the possibly 1000s of other people reading it.

Read through all the posts of today that have more than one reply,
you'll quickly see why this method is by far the best.

-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Kadu 2.1...OTR / Encryption defunct ???

[J. Roeleveld]

On April 18, 2016 9:20:01 PM GMT+02:00, R0b0t1  wrote:
>Pidgin OTR works and supports jabbering. No idea on your original
>problem,
>sorry.

Can you please quote properly?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Kadu 2.1...OTR / Encryption defunct ???

[R0b0t1]

No. How much harder does it make it to follow?

Re: [gentoo-user] Kadu 2.1...OTR / Encryption defunct ???

[R0b0t1]

Pidgin OTR works and supports jabbering. No idea on your original problem,
sorry.

[gentoo-user] Kadu 2.1...OTR / Encryption defunct ???

[Meino . Cramer]

Hi,

is something known about the status of OTR/encrypted chat via Jabber/
XMPP with kadu 2.1 ?

This evening I was trying to get such a connection with a friend. We
configured kadu simulatanously while talking on the phone. He uses
kadu 3.0 windows and I tried kadu-2.1 GENTOO. Th econfiguration was 
identical and I could see the plaintext, if he switched off encryption
and the data garbage when he switches on encryption. So the way, we
tried that was not totally absurd/wrong.

But regardless what I was trying ... clicking the little 
padlock icon does not result in "Simlite encryption" to switch on.

Is it only me again or does this version of kadu contain a bug?

Anything known about this?

Thank you very much for any help in advance!


Best regards,
Meino

[gentoo-user] Excitement...

[Peter Humphrey]

...and disappointment...

Hello list,

A month or so ago I asked here for recommendations for a graphics card to do 
mucho GPU calculations, as I was buying a new system. Well, two weeks ago 
today the new system arrived. It took me five whole days to find a way to get 
it to boot, what with its UEFI BIOS and its Radeon R9 M295X Mac Edition 
display card. I was pretty firmly stuck until Neil B. reminded me of 
gummiboot. That did the trick. I couldn't get UEFI to run grub at all here 
(nothing very grand about it in this case).

Then the display card. Well, after another 10 days of googling and trial and 
error, yesterday I arrived at a setup that works. Here are the versions I 
needed to specify:

# cat /etc/portage/package.keywords
~dev-libs/libclc-0.1.0_pre20150305
~sci-misc/boinc-7.4.42
sys-apps/nvme-cli
sys-boot/gummiboot
~sys-devel/clang-3.6.2
~sys-devel/llvm-3.6.2
sys-firmware/amdgpu-ucode
~sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-4.4.6
~x11-drivers/xf86-video-amdgpu-1.0.1

-

That's the excitement. The disappointment is with KMail. The reason I bought 
the new box is that the old one had developed a hardware fault, somewhere in 
the PCI region of the chipset I think. Down the years I've been accumulating 
e-mails that fault appears to have damaged a lot of e-mails to the point 
that KMail couldn't handle them and threw wobblers all over the place. So 
now I end up with empty mail folders. I have archives from 19 March and 
before which I daren't import, but everything between then and last Friday 
has gone.

So, if anyone addressed anything to me in the last month, I'm afraid I can't 
answer you - sorry.

-

Going back to the GPU calculations, I'm quite certain that I couldn't ever 
have succeeded with any other distro than Gentoo, with portage's uncanny 
ability to winkle out the most obscure collisions and dependencies, so I'm 
very happy to echo Alan Mackenzie's praise for it.

Well done, our devs, and thank you!

-- 
Rgds
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] suppressing the 'would you like to add --pretend' prompt when using emerge --ask

[Peter Humphrey]

On Sunday 17 Apr 2016 12:57:30 »Q« wrote:

> I never want to add --pretend to the options;  if I've used --ask,
> I also meant to use sudo.  I've looked through the documentation and
> couldn't find a way to stop emerge from prompting me about --pretend,
> so now I'm asking you if I've overlooked a way.

$ alias emerj
alias emerj='sudo emerge --jobs=25 --load-average=60 --keep-going'

-- 
Rgds
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LibreOffice problem importing file : solved

[Peter Humphrey]

On Sunday 17 Apr 2016 23:00:45 Dale wrote:
> Philip Webb wrote:
> > PS what does 'tl;dr' mean ? -- I've seen it in other msgs.
> 
> To long; didn't read.  I'm fairly sure that is it.

Actually, too long; didn't read.

> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-)

:-)

-- 
Rgds
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: VLC could not decode the opus audio

[gevisz]

2016-04-17 22:18 GMT+03:00 »Q« :
> On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 20:49:06 +0300
> gevisz  wrote:
>
>> 2016-04-17 20:45 GMT+03:00 gevisz :
>> > 2016-04-17 19:12 GMT+03:00 »Q« :
>
>> >> I'm pretty sure what happened was that vlc had a security issue,
>> >> and a new version had to be stabilized, some time in 2014 or early
>> >> 2015.  At that point, for opus support the new stable VLC required
>> >> an unstable opus, so they stable-masked the flag for VLC.  Later,
>> >> a new-enough opus was stabilized;  at that point, the flag for VLC
>> >> should have been unmasked, but it fell through the cracks.  There
>> >> was already whining in bug comments about it not getting done, so
>> >> I didn't add my voice.
>> >
>> > Thank you both for the help.
>> >
>> > After creating /etc/portage/profile/package.use.stable.mask
>> > with the line
>> > media-video/vlc -opus
>> > I finally could see the opus use flag via
>> > equery uses vlc
>> >
>> > Setting this flag and recompiling vlc solved the problem.
>>
>> But I still have a feeling that it should have been done in a better
>> way. ;)
>
> As far as I could tell, the reason the mask didn't get taken out of the
> profile(s) was that discussion of it was mostly in a meta bug and in a
> bug about stabilization for VLC itself and it's nobody's responsibility
> to track and undo flag masks which are no longer needed.

I see. Somebody have to start loudly complain about this use flag,
portage, Gentoo, and Linux in general to get it done in the right way. :)

I have not the mood to do it right now but should say that, after using
GNU/Linux for about 20 years, I finally stopped recommending it to all
my friends and colleagues. (This sad event happened about 4 years ago
when I finally looked at the GNU/Linux critically.)

P.S. The said does not mean that I like Windows or Android.
   And I am too old and too busy to try and switch to BSD. :(

P.P.S. Thank you for the help once more.

> Ben de Groot is the one who masked it in the first place.  There was
> good reason at the time, but there's no good reason I could find to
> continue with it masked.
>
> $ grep -iRC 2 opus /usr/portage/profiles/* | grep -iC 2 groot
> --
> /usr/portage/profiles/arch/amd64/package.use.stable.mask-
> /usr/portage/profiles/arch/amd64/package.use.stable.mask-# Ben de Groot 
>  /usr/portage/profiles/arch/amd64/package.use.stable.mask:# >=opus-1.0.3 is 
> still not stable (bug 500868)
> /usr/portage/profiles/arch/amd64/package.use.stable.mask:media-video/vlc opus
> --
> /usr/portage/profiles/arch/x86/package.use.stable.mask-
> /usr/portage/profiles/arch/x86/package.use.stable.mask-# Ben de Groot 
>  /usr/portage/profiles/arch/x86/package.use.stable.mask:# >=opus-1.0.3 is 
> still not stable (bug 500868)
> /usr/portage/profiles/arch/x86/package.use.stable.mask:media-video/vlc opus
>
>
>
>