Re: [gentoo-user] Getting rid of all kde components
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 8:14 AM, Harry Putnam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've decided to stop using KDE after yrs of use... given that gentoo compiles everything from scratch, its just getting to much time lost jacking around with kde during upgrades. But also I'd forgotten what the oldtime linux desktops were like. fvwm was the main one in use when I started circa 1997. I see blackbox is even a bit more stark... but since I am mainly command line oriented it doesn't present a problem. ... I don't know if you have all the KDE stuff installed, because that does take ages, and pulls in the whole KDE kitchen sync. When I install kde I emerge kdesktop (or startkde, cant remember now) and let it pull all its dependencies. This normally results in a very cut down kde - no sound mixer, games, kmail, moonphase applets, etc. (a lot less time spent updating) Or try WindowMaker, I used to use it and I'm still very fond of it. Regards Dirk
Re: [gentoo-user] Getting rid of all kde components
* Dirk Heinrichs ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [18.11.08 07:53]: Am Dienstag 18 November 2008 07:14:02 schrieb ext Harry Putnam: I've decided to stop using KDE after yrs of use... given that gentoo compiles everything from scratch, its just getting to much time lost jacking around with kde during upgrades. Hmm, you already complained about installation (or compile) time in the cfg- update thread. Why did you choose Gentoo, if you don't like compiling stuff? Because it is about choice, and if you choose, not to use KDE, then you can do it. You can even choose not to use qt, and leave a whole bunch of bloated libs out. BTW: I run KDE updates in the night. Well, I never compile KDE. One big monster like Gnome is enough... Bye... Dirk [EMAIL PROTECTED]@N -- Religion ist das Opium des Volkes. Karl Marx [EMAIL PROTECTED]@N GÜNTHER mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp84M3UJBCuX.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Getting rid of all kde components
On Dienstag 18 November 2008, Sebastian Günther wrote: * Dirk Heinrichs ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [18.11.08 07:53]: Am Dienstag 18 November 2008 07:14:02 schrieb ext Harry Putnam: I've decided to stop using KDE after yrs of use... given that gentoo compiles everything from scratch, its just getting to much time lost jacking around with kde during upgrades. Hmm, you already complained about installation (or compile) time in the cfg- update thread. Why did you choose Gentoo, if you don't like compiling stuff? Because it is about choice, and if you choose, not to use KDE, then you can do it. You can even choose not to use qt, and leave a whole bunch of bloated libs out. BTW: I run KDE updates in the night. Well, I never compile KDE. One big monster like Gnome is enough... Bye... Dirk [EMAIL PROTECTED]@N so you decided to install the even bigger, more bloated monster? smart choice! But why attacking Dirk for his valid question? The OP has complained in two threads about compiling. If you don't like compiling, gentoo is not for you.
Re: [gentoo-user] Getting rid of all kde components
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 09:38, Volker Armin Hemmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dienstag 18 November 2008, Sebastian Günther wrote: * Dirk Heinrichs ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [18.11.08 07:53]: Am Dienstag 18 November 2008 07:14:02 schrieb ext Harry Putnam: I've decided to stop using KDE after yrs of use... given that gentoo compiles everything from scratch, its just getting to much time lost jacking around with kde during upgrades. Hmm, you already complained about installation (or compile) time in the cfg- update thread. Why did you choose Gentoo, if you don't like compiling stuff? Because it is about choice, and if you choose, not to use KDE, then you can do it. You can even choose not to use qt, and leave a whole bunch of bloated libs out. BTW: I run KDE updates in the night. Well, I never compile KDE. One big monster like Gnome is enough... Bye... Dirk [EMAIL PROTECTED]@N so you decided to install the even bigger, more bloated monster? smart choice! But why attacking Dirk for his valid question? The OP has complained in two threads about compiling. If you don't like compiling, gentoo is not for you. It doesn't seem like a complain, if you read it like you would really answer it. It wast just a comment to justify the question. I don't see a reason to question his comment. Gentoo is about choice (not just compiling), and this thread is about Getting rid of all KDE components. Someone goes off-topic and all of a sudden the OP feels attacked (I would feel the same). If you're not going to answer the question, don't send it to the list. I have removed KDE long time ago, and right now I have most of it back so I can use one or two programs (I just love K3B, never used KDE as a WM, but K3B kicks ass, and Gentoo, as I said, is about choice). It seems to me that if you remove all kde basic components, all dependencies (its the case of your arts list) would be target for removal by emerge --depclean... Run revdep-rebuild and maybe check the -e option of emerge to get rid of whatever is left (or wants to come back). -- Daniel da Veiga
[gentoo-user] Getting rid of all kde components
I've decided to stop using KDE after yrs of use... given that gentoo
compiles everything from scratch, its just getting to much time lost
jacking around with kde during upgrades.
But also I'd forgotten what the oldtime linux desktops were like.
fvwm was the main one in use when I started circa 1997.
I see blackbox is even a bit more stark... but since I am mainly
command line oriented it doesn't present a problem.
But cutting to the chase here, I'm getting rid of KDE but I see
kde-base/arts shows lots of dependencies. Even now that I've changed
my USE flag `kde' to `-kde'
qdepends -C kde-base/arts|awk '{gsub(/ /,\n);print}'
kde-base/arts-3.5.10:
x11-libs/qt:3
=dev-libs/glib-2
media-libs/alsa-lib
media-libs/libogg
media-libs/libvorbis
media-sound/esound
media-libs/libmad
media-libs/audiofile
dev-util/pkgconfig
=sys-devel/automake-1.9*
=sys-devel/autoconf-2.61
sys-devel/libtool
sys-devel/make
dev-util/pkgconfig
dev-lang/perl
I'm pretty sure at least some of this doesn't actually depend on
kde-base/arts but not quite sure what to make of the output.
Re: [gentoo-user] Getting rid of all kde components
On Tuesday 18 November 2008 08:14:02 Harry Putnam wrote:
I've decided to stop using KDE after yrs of use... given that gentoo
compiles everything from scratch, its just getting to much time lost
jacking around with kde during upgrades.
But also I'd forgotten what the oldtime linux desktops were like.
fvwm was the main one in use when I started circa 1997.
I see blackbox is even a bit more stark... but since I am mainly
command line oriented it doesn't present a problem.
But cutting to the chase here, I'm getting rid of KDE but I see
kde-base/arts shows lots of dependencies. Even now that I've changed
my USE flag `kde' to `-kde'
remove arts and any other kde-related flags from USE and package.use. Unmerge
arts, continue
arts is only used in kde, it's a piece of utter trash and totally not needed -
everything it ever did can now be done by alsa.
qdepends -C kde-base/arts|awk '{gsub(/ /,\n);print}'
kde-base/arts-3.5.10:
x11-libs/qt:3
=dev-libs/glib-2
media-libs/alsa-lib
media-libs/libogg
media-libs/libvorbis
media-sound/esound
media-libs/libmad
media-libs/audiofile
dev-util/pkgconfig
=sys-devel/automake-1.9*
=sys-devel/autoconf-2.61
sys-devel/libtool
sys-devel/make
dev-util/pkgconfig
dev-lang/perl
I'm pretty sure at least some of this doesn't actually depend on
kde-base/arts but not quite sure what to make of the output.
You have it the wrong way round. Those packages do not depend on arts, instead
arts depends on them. They are needed to either run or to build arts.
Don't worry about it. portage knows how to build anything that's missing after
you are done cleaning up
--
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Getting rid of all kde components
Am Dienstag 18 November 2008 07:14:02 schrieb ext Harry Putnam: I've decided to stop using KDE after yrs of use... given that gentoo compiles everything from scratch, its just getting to much time lost jacking around with kde during upgrades. Hmm, you already complained about installation (or compile) time in the cfg- update thread. Why did you choose Gentoo, if you don't like compiling stuff? BTW: I run KDE updates in the night. Bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)162 234 3408 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Capgemini Deutschland | Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wanheimerstraße 68 | Web: http://www.capgemini.com D-40468 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
