Re: [gentoo-user] Re: DST didn't happen: quickinstall doc is wrong...
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:19:03 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > I am interested however in learning about how to get these messages > logged and sent by email or at least into some file that easy to look > at. I think they already go into the portage /var log file but I find > that pretty tedious and easy to miss messages. Read the section on the PORTAGE_ELOG settings ion /etc/make.conf.exmple -- Neil Bothwick Idaho - It's not the end of the world, but you can see it from there. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: DST didn't happen: quickinstall doc is wrong...
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:33:54 -0400, John covici wrote: > I wish you could have an option for portage to stop until these things > are acknowledged -- I had a 106 package update of which the timezone > data were a part and I use script and check these little notices, > however its easy to miss such things. Portage is supposed to be non-interactive whenever possible. I'd rather take the trouble to read the emails sent out by ELOG than set a 106 package emerge running overnight, only to find the next morning that it had stopped after the second package because of a minor warning that could have been emailed or logged. -- Neil Bothwick "Bother," said Pooh as he farted in front of a badly placed candle signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: DST didn't happen: quickinstall doc is wrong...
On 3/12/07, Albert Hopkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon, 2007-03-12 at 15:33 -0400, John covici wrote: > I wish you could have an option for portage to stop until these things > are acknowledged -- I had a 106 package update of which the timezone > data were a part and I use script and check these little notices, > however its easy to miss such things. If that ever happened I hope it would be made optional. I'm just the opposite. I would hate to come back to my system to learn that 105 packages didn't get built because someone decided to interrupt it because of a change in an /etc/* file. Furthermore, I wouldn't trust what individual package maintainers thought was worthy of interrupting my build. Builds should only be interrupted if they cannot continue. -- Albert W. Hopkins I agree. When doing the occasional emerge -e world the process needs to move forward without interruption. I am interested however in learning about how to get these messages logged and sent by email or at least into some file that easy to look at. I think they already go into the portage /var log file but I find that pretty tedious and easy to miss messages. Thanks, Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: DST didn't happen: quickinstall doc is wrong...
On Mon, 2007-03-12 at 15:33 -0400, John covici wrote: > I wish you could have an option for portage to stop until these things > are acknowledged -- I had a 106 package update of which the timezone > data were a part and I use script and check these little notices, > however its easy to miss such things. If that ever happened I hope it would be made optional. I'm just the opposite. I would hate to come back to my system to learn that 105 packages didn't get built because someone decided to interrupt it because of a change in an /etc/* file. Furthermore, I wouldn't trust what individual package maintainers thought was worthy of interrupting my build. Builds should only be interrupted if they cannot continue. -- Albert W. Hopkins -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: DST didn't happen: quickinstall doc is wrong...
on Monday 03/12/2007 Grant Edwards([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote > In gmane.linux.gentoo.user, you wrote: > > On Mon, 2007-03-12 at 16:28 +, Grant Edwards wrote: > >> > Perhaps the constant nagging from the timezone-data package > >> > when it's emerged > >> > >> When it's emerged as part of an update with 30 or 40 other > >> packages, it's pretty easy to miss things like that. > >> > > This has long been a complaint among users of portage,including myself. > > The portage devs have done work to alleviate most of these problems with > > the ELOG system. I really recommend taking advantage of it. > > Thanks. I'll have to take a look at it. I've probably missed > other things as well. :) I wish you could have an option for portage to stop until these things are acknowledged -- I had a 106 package update of which the timezone data were a part and I use script and check these little notices, however its easy to miss such things. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: DST didn't happen: quickinstall doc is wrong...
On 2007-03-12, Albert Hopkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2007-03-12 at 16:28 +, Grant Edwards wrote: >> > Perhaps the constant nagging from the timezone-data package >> > when it's emerged >> >> When it's emerged as part of an update with 30 or 40 other >> packages, it's pretty easy to miss things like that. >> > This has long been a complaint among users of portage,including myself. > The portage devs have done work to alleviate most of these problems with > the ELOG system. I really recommend taking advantage of it. Thanks. I'll have to take a look at it. I've probably missed other things as well. :) -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! Boy, am I glad it's at only 1971... visi.com -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: DST didn't happen: quickinstall doc is wrong...
In gmane.linux.gentoo.user, you wrote: > On Mon, 2007-03-12 at 16:28 +, Grant Edwards wrote: >> > Perhaps the constant nagging from the timezone-data package >> > when it's emerged >> >> When it's emerged as part of an update with 30 or 40 other >> packages, it's pretty easy to miss things like that. >> > This has long been a complaint among users of portage,including myself. > The portage devs have done work to alleviate most of these problems with > the ELOG system. I really recommend taking advantage of it. Thanks. I'll have to take a look at it. I've probably missed other things as well. :) -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! Yow! It's a hole at all the way to downtown visi.comBurbank! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: DST didn't happen: quickinstall doc is wrong...
On Mon, 2007-03-12 at 16:28 +, Grant Edwards wrote: > > Perhaps the constant nagging from the timezone-data package > > when it's emerged > > When it's emerged as part of an update with 30 or 40 other > packages, it's pretty easy to miss things like that. > This has long been a complaint among users of portage,including myself. The portage devs have done work to alleviate most of these problems with the ELOG system. I really recommend taking advantage of it. With it I have portage info and warnings emailed to me and I have to say it has really helped me become aware of what is changing on my system. > > as well as the system when it's booted > > My computers are generally only booted as a result of a power > failure, and I'm not usually there to watch them boot. > > > isn't enough? > > Apparently not, if so many people had problems with it. I agree with you that the Handbook needs to be updated, but in general it's always best to pay attention to what the system is telling you. The portage tree is always going to be updated faster than the Handbook and four years of experience has shown me that the Handbooks is always at least a little behind reality. I think the authors work hard, but they're always going to be chasing a moving target. Also, people who do not frequently do installs are less likely to read the Handbook so it's best to let "real life" supersede what's written in the Handbook. -- Albert W. Hopkins -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: DST didn't happen: quickinstall doc is wrong...
On 2007-03-12, Albert Hopkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2007-03-12 at 15:53 +, Grant Edwards wrote: >> Yup, that was evidently the problem. Perhaps step #2 should be >> documented in the Handbook and/or the Quickinstall > > Perhaps the constant nagging from the timezone-data package > when it's emerged When it's emerged as part of an update with 30 or 40 other packages, it's pretty easy to miss things like that. > as well as the system when it's booted My computers are generally only booted as a result of a power failure, and I'm not usually there to watch them boot. > isn't enough? Apparently not, if so many people had problems with it. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! WHOA!! I'm having at a RELIGIOUS EXPERIENCE visi.comright NOW!! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: DST didn't happen: quickinstall doc is wrong...
At Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:53:40 + (UTC) Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2007-03-12, Albert Hopkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Mon, 2007-03-12 at 15:07 +, Grant Edwards wrote >>> >> That was the "old" way of doing it. For a number of reasons a new >> method is devised. The new method is: >> >> 1. copy file from /usr/share/zoneinfo to /etc/localtime >> 2. set your timezone in /etc/conf.d/clock. >> > Yup, that was evidently the problem. Perhaps step #2 should be > documented in the Handbook and/or the Quickinstall? I agree that it should be mentioned and filed http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=170591 (I was lucky and noticed the warning message during reboot that my timezone was set to factory in /etc/conf.d/clock so was not bitten.) allan -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: DST didn't happen: quickinstall doc is wrong...
On Mon, 2007-03-12 at 15:53 +, Grant Edwards wrote: > Yup, that was evidently the problem. Perhaps step #2 should be > documented in the Handbook and/or the Quickinstall Perhaps the constant nagging from the timezone-data package when it's emerged as well as the system when it's booted isn't enough? -- Albert W. Hopkins -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: DST didn't happen: quickinstall doc is wrong...
On 2007-03-12, Albert Hopkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2007-03-12 at 15:07 +, Grant Edwards wrote >> >> Shouldn't you symlink /etc/localtime to the the appropriate >> file in /usr/share/zoneinfo? That way when the zoneinfo files >> get udpated (as they all did), you'll use the new file? > > That was the "old" way of doing it. For a number of reasons a new > method is devised. The new method is: > > 1. copy file from /usr/share/zoneinfo to /etc/localtime > 2. set your timezone in /etc/conf.d/clock. > > The timezone-data package is supposed to automagically > update /etc/localtime when the TIMEZONE is set in /etc/conf.d/clock. > It's been observed that a lot of people who had problems with the > timezone change had not done #2. Yup, that was evidently the problem. Perhaps step #2 should be documented in the Handbook and/or the Quickinstall? -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! I'm having fun at HITCHHIKING to CINCINNATI visi.comor FAR ROCKAWAY!! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: DST didn't happen: quickinstall doc is wrong...
On 2007-03-12, Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On most of my Gentoo systems, the DST change didn't happen. > > Apparently I screwed up by following the instructions in > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-x86-quickinstall.xml where > it says: > > Set your timezone > > Set your time zone information by copying the correct file from > /usr/share/zoneinfo over the /etc/localtime file. > > Code Listing 2.17: Copy your timezone file > > (Using Brussels as an example) > livecd / # cp /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Brussels /etc/localtime > livecd / # date > Wed Mar 8 00:46:05 CET 2006 > > Copying the file seems like the wrong thing to do? The handbook makes the same mistake: 7.a. Timezone You first need to select your timezone so that your system knows where it is located. Look for your timezone in /usr/share/zoneinfo, then copy it to /etc/localtime. Please avoid the /usr/share/zoneinfo/Etc/GMT* timezones as their names do not indicate the expected zones. For instance, GMT-8 is in fact GMT+8. Code Listing 1: Setting the timezone information # ls /usr/share/zoneinfo (Suppose you want to use GMT) # cp /usr/share/zoneinfo/GMT /etc/localtime -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! Just imagine you're at entering a state-of-the-art visi.comCAR WASH!! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
