Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: back up gentoo system
On 12 May 2008, at 14:07, Michael Schmarck wrote: ... Reasons: - "DOS Filesystems" (fat, ntfs) don't allow to store all the metadata you find on Linux. - "Linux filesystems" (ext*, reiser, ...) don't allow to store all the metadata you find on Windows. - Sharing backup space means, that it get's used more often. This makes the risk larger, that something bad happens. Apparently you missed my email 2 days ago. I'll cc you, so you don't miss this one. I said: You keep saying this like it's obvious, but don't provide any good reason for it. There's no reason why I shouldn't have a singe external drive containing three directories: "My Mac", "Ann's Linux Box", "Bee's Windows PC". I can only assume that you find it inelegant to store files on a filesystem which will not handle their metadata - ownership, group, permissions in the case of Linux, or the more sophisticated ACLs used by Windows XP Pro & 2003. Just because YOU find it inelegant, doesn't mean that anyone else cares. A file is a file, and when recovering from backups most of us can drag & drop "My Photos" to the new filesystem and then take ownership of the files. I have tried not to get involved in this thread, but with today's posts you're really starting to make yourself look, um, eccentric. If I were you I'd shut up right now, before you do your reputation any more lasting damage. There are LOTS of ways to do things, and your way is not inherently right. I'm not saying your way is wrong, but you seem to be quite unjustifiably slinging that allegation at other people. Stroller. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: back up gentoo system
On Mon, 12 May 2008 15:07:06 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: > And last, but not least: Why should backup directories be shared in > the first place? They shouldn't, and I never stated that they should. -- Neil Bothwick I don't know what your problem is, but I'll bet it's hard to pronounce. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: back up gentoo system
> Correct. However you said, that "you need to access it (Linux backup > directories) from Windows too". And that's the main point and the point > that hasn't been answered yet: Why do you think, that such a need > exists? Suppose, you've got a project on which you work on both Windows and Linux machines (and maybe even a Mac...) Such a project needs backups and it is very convenient and logic too, to be able to restore (or access) it from Linux and Windows likewise. Why should this be such a strange idea? I really fail to see why you insist on this ideological exclusion principle. Rather it would be good to think of options, what techniques would be most reliable to perform such backups. Cheers, Sandro -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Re: back up gentoo system
ยท Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sat, 10 May 2008 08:07:25 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: > >> At least I wouldn't store everything in the same directory. It would >> of course be a good idea to seperate things. > > When did I ever mention using a single directory to mix up all > backups? Never. And when did I say something like that? > All I did was answer a question with an example of when different OSes > may need to share a backup medium Correct. However you said, that "you need to access it (Linux backup directories) from Windows too". And that's the main point and the point that hasn't been answered yet: Why do you think, that such a need exists? On the contrary, I think that such a need absolutely does not exist and should be very much avoided. Reasons: - "DOS Filesystems" (fat, ntfs) don't allow to store all the metadata you find on Linux. - "Linux filesystems" (ext*, reiser, ...) don't allow to store all the metadata you find on Windows. - Sharing backup space means, that it get's used more often. This makes the risk larger, that something bad happens. And last, but not least: Why should backup directories be shared in the first place? >> And why do you make such a fuss about such a natural thing? There's >> just no reason in sharing such a device/filesystem/"storage endpoint" >> between different operating systems. > > Where did I state that a storage endpoint should be shared? <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 16:09:30 +0100 Michael Schmarck -- One advantage of talking to yourself is that you know at least somebody's listening. -- Franklin P. Jones -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: back up gentoo system
On Wed, 07 May 2008 16:41:17 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: > >> Can you elaborate more on the latter, please? What exactly is rsync > >> relying on and which fs wouldn't meet the requirements. > > > > FAT on an external drive, > > Why not put ext* or reiserfs or whatever on such a drive? Because you need to access it from Windows too? Installing the Windows ext2/3 drivers isn't always an option. -- Neil Bothwick If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate. * Wright signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: Re: back up gentoo system
Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 7 May 2008 09:57:02 +0200, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: > >> > rsync is good, but has its own disadvantages, notably the lack of >> > compression and the reliance on the destination filesystem to preserve >> > permissions. >> >> Can you elaborate more on the latter, please? What exactly is rsync >> relying on and which fs wouldn't meet the requirements. > > FAT on an external drive, Why not put ext* or reiserfs or whatever on such a drive? > or some of the online backup systems. That's really a problem, yes. But I was talking about backup-to-disk. While it might be, that you can mount some of the online backup systems as a fs, it mustn't be so. Michael -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
