Re: Completely and totally OT - Re: [gentoo-user] Have you seen my flamesuit? (Was: How many people use KDE?)
For now that will not affect any user, only the manufacturer. And yes, they could put ext2 on a digital camera. Maybe this patent will prompt them to do just that. sincerely, Joshua On 1/26/06, b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joshua Schmidlkofer wrote: Yeah, use ext2 for all of that: http://ext2fsd.sourceforge.net/projects/projects.htm http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm http://www.fs-driver.org/ All of those are supposed to worik, and I am trying them out now. Ok, but what do we do with digital cameras? Do you know how to put an ext2 driver on a digital camera? :( m. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: Completely and totally OT - Re: [gentoo-user] Have you seen my flamesuit? (Was: How many people use KDE?)
Yeah, use ext2 for all of that: http://ext2fsd.sourceforge.net/projects/projects.htm http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm http://www.fs-driver.org/ All of those are supposed to worik, and I am trying them out now. good luck, joshua On 1/23/06, Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally I use ext3 for everything except windows partitions. I have 3 NTFS-partitions, and one FAT32 partition. The freeware read/write ext2-driver for Windows doesn't work with Windows 2003, so I have to use FAT32. Especially because captive-ntfs aren't working for me. Seeing as we are all talking nonsense anyway - does anyone have an opinion on the fact that m$ just got a fat patent validated by a US court? Chrs A -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: Completely and totally OT - Re: [gentoo-user] Have you seen my flamesuit? (Was: How many people use KDE?)
Joshua Schmidlkofer wrote: Yeah, use ext2 for all of that: http://ext2fsd.sourceforge.net/projects/projects.htm http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm http://www.fs-driver.org/ All of those are supposed to worik, and I am trying them out now. Ok, but what do we do with digital cameras? Do you know how to put an ext2 driver on a digital camera? :( m. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: Completely and totally OT - Re: [gentoo-user] Have you seen my flamesuit? (Was: How many people use KDE?)
Personally I use ext3 for everything except windows partitions. I have 3 NTFS-partitions, and one FAT32 partition. The freeware read/write ext2-driver for Windows doesn't work with Windows 2003, so I have to use FAT32. Especially because captive-ntfs aren't working for me. Seeing as we are all talking nonsense anyway - does anyone have an opinion on the fact that m$ just got a fat patent validated by a US court? Chrs A -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: Completely and totally OT - Re: [gentoo-user] Have you seen my flamesuit? (Was: How many people use KDE?)
On Jan 23, 2006, at 2:00 PM, Antoine wrote: Personally I use ext3 for everything except windows partitions. I have 3 NTFS-partitions, and one FAT32 partition. The freeware read/ write ext2-driver for Windows doesn't work with Windows 2003, so I have to use FAT32. Especially because captive-ntfs aren't working for me. Seeing as we are all talking nonsense anyway - does anyone have an opinion on the fact that m$ just got a fat patent validated by a US court? Chrs isn't it cool how you can patent something you stole? A -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Have you seen my flamesuit? (Was: How many people use KDE?)
On 21 January 2006 07:08, Chris White wrote: On Friday 20 January 2006 18:10, Linux Java wrote: I wanna to know KDE and Gnome which is more popular. That's the most blatant start of a flamewar I've seen... Oh, there are other ways to start flamewars as good as this one: What is better, emacs or vim? What is the better programming language, C or C++. Better scripting language, perl or python? For years, we have heard that java would take over completely the next year. When is next year? What strikes me funny is that it's seldom the developers who fuel the flames but almost always self-appointed power users. ;-) Uwe -- Unix is sexy: who | grep -i blonde | date cd ~; unzip; touch; strip; finger mount; gasp; yes; uptime; umount sleep -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Have you seen my flamesuit? (Was: How many people use KDE?)
On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 14:08:29 +0900, Chris White wrote: I wanna to know KDE and Gnome which is more popular. That's the most blatant start of a flamewar I've seen... Ok, let's sit here and ponder. People like KDE, people like GNOME, hell, people like fluxbox and xfce. Now to put this in perspective, basically there is no right answer to this question, and no matter how much someone suggests, there never will be. There is a right answer to this question, because it is simple numbers, which is most popular. Carry out a poll of Linux users to ask which is their favourite desktop and you have the answer. If you really want to start a flamewar, ask which is better. Better is not the same as most popular, unless you really believe that Windows is the best OS out there. -- Neil Bothwick Scrute the inscrutable; eff the ineffable. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Have you seen my flamesuit? (Was: How many people use KDE?)
Oh, there are other ways to start flamewars as good as this one: [...] What is the better programming language, C or C++. Better scripting language, perl or python? Hell, perl and python are programming languages actually! I cry meta-flamewar on these two flamewars!! :P m. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Have you seen my flamesuit? (Was: How many people use KDE?)
On Sat, 2006-01-21 at 12:19 +, b.n. wrote: Oh, there are other ways to start flamewars as good as this one: [...] What is the better programming language, C or C++. Better scripting language, perl or python? Hell, perl and python are programming languages actually! I cry meta-flamewar on these two flamewars!! :P *heh heh* what's a better flamewar: the emacs vs vi flameware or the perl vs python flamewar? -- Iain Buchanan iain at netspace dot net dot au In God we trust; all else we walk through. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Have you seen my flamesuit? (Was: How many people use KDE?)
*heh heh* what's a better flamewar: the emacs vs vi flameware or the perl vs python flamewar? LOL...I'll bite! Of course the perl vs python flamewar. It introduces, in its best incarnations, both elegant and clever programming language concepts but also shows relentless fanboysm and misconceptions on both sides! It's a good flamewar where you learn both about programming, programming languages and the hysterical side of geeks. Anyway, I'm all for vi and python :). m. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Have you seen my flamesuit? (Was: How many people use KDE?)
On 1/21/2006 2:44 AM Neil Bothwick said the following: On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 14:08:29 +0900, Chris White wrote: I wanna to know KDE and Gnome which is more popular. That's the most blatant start of a flamewar I've seen... Ok, let's sit here and ponder. People like KDE, people like GNOME, hell, people like fluxbox and xfce. Now to put this in perspective, basically there is no right answer to this question, and no matter how much someone suggests, there never will be. There is a right answer to this question, because it is simple numbers, which is most popular. Carry out a poll of Linux users to ask which is their favourite desktop and you have the answer. If you really want to start a flamewar, ask which is better. Better is not the same as most popular, unless you really believe that Windows is the best OS out there. LOL. This could be the start of another flame war especially since it could be argued that any OS is the best in specific situations. Cheers, Drew -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Completely and totally OT - Re: [gentoo-user] Have you seen my flamesuit? (Was: How many people use KDE?)
On Sat, 2006-01-21 at 12:19 +, b.n. wrote: Oh, there are other ways to start flamewars as good as this one: [...] What is the better programming language, C or C++. Better scripting language, perl or python? Hell, perl and python are programming languages actually! I cry meta-flamewar on these two flamewars!! :P m. What's a meta-flamewar??? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Have you seen my flamesuit? (Was: How many people use KDE?)
On Sat, 2006-01-21 at 13:04 +, b.n. wrote: *heh heh* what's a better flamewar: the emacs vs vi flameware or the perl vs python flamewar? LOL...I'll bite! Of course the perl vs python flamewar. It introduces, in its best incarnations, both elegant and clever programming language concepts but also shows relentless fanboysm and misconceptions on both sides! It's a good flamewar where you learn both about programming, programming languages and the hysterical side of geeks. Anyway, I'm all for vi and python :). m. Ditto for vim. I'm still learning perl. Once I get through my perl book I'll try learning python. I figure experience with both languages is essential for surviving in the Linux world. And after that - Ruby! Yay!!! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: Completely and totally OT - Re: [gentoo-user] Have you seen my flamesuit? (Was: How many people use KDE?)
Michael Sullivan wrote: What's a meta-flamewar??? A flamewar about flamewars. m. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: Completely and totally OT - Re: [gentoo-user] Have you seen my flamesuit? (Was: How many people use KDE?)
On 1/21/06, b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A flamewar about flamewars. Well the most popular flamewar on this list is obiously about filesystems, so that must be the best! :P -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: Completely and totally OT - Re: [gentoo-user] Have you seen my flamesuit? (Was: How many people use KDE?)
On Sat, 2006-01-21 at 11:07 -0700, Richard Fish wrote: On 1/21/06, b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A flamewar about flamewars. Well the most popular flamewar on this list is obiously about filesystems, so that must be the best! :P -Richard I still use ext3 for / and ext2 for /boot. I get confused about all the others. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: Completely and totally OT - Re: [gentoo-user] Have you seen my flamesuit? (Was: How many people use KDE?)
On 21 January 2006 20:07, Richard Fish wrote: On 1/21/06, b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A flamewar about flamewars. Well the most popular flamewar on this list is obiously about filesystems, so that must be the best! :P I forgot that one. Shame on me! Uwe -- Unix is sexy: who | grep -i blonde | date cd ~; unzip; touch; strip; finger mount; gasp; yes; uptime; umount sleep -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: Completely and totally OT - Re: [gentoo-user] Have you seen my flamesuit? (Was: How many people use KDE?)
On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:07:21 -0700, Richard Fish wrote: What about the one about top-posting Well the most popular flamewar on this list is obiously about filesystems, so that must be the best! :P vs. bottom-posting? ;-) -- Neil Bothwick If a deaf person swears, does his mother wash his hands with soap? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Completely and totally OT - Re: [gentoo-user] Have you seen my flamesuit? (Was: How many people use KDE?)
Michael Sullivan wrote: On Sat, 2006-01-21 at 11:07 -0700, Richard Fish wrote: I still use ext3 for / and ext2 for /boot. I get confused about all the others. I don't grok that. *cough*FAT12*cough* is all you need :p (and 640KB of ram is enough for everybody). Personally I use ext3 for everything except windows partitions. I have 3 NTFS-partitions, and one FAT32 partition. The freeware read/write ext2-driver for Windows doesn't work with Windows 2003, so I have to use FAT32. Especially because captive-ntfs aren't working for me. Kristian Poul Herkild. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: Completely and totally OT - Re: [gentoo-user] Have you seen my flamesuit? (Was: How many people use KDE?)
Michael Sullivan wrote: I still use ext3 for / and ext2 for /boot. I get confused about all the others. I have ext2 for /boot and reiserfs for everything else. But reiserfs fragmentation is going to make me pretty angry... m. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: Completely and totally OT - Re: [gentoo-user] Have you seen my flamesuit? (Was: How many people use KDE?)
On 1/21/06, b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Sullivan wrote: I still use ext3 for / and ext2 for /boot.I get confused about all the others.I have ext2 for /boot and reiserfs for everything else. But reiserfsfragmentation is going to make me pretty angry... m.XFS is the best. It is supported, it is reasonably fast, it has a defragmenter, it has repair tools that are not only supported, but known to work It has ways to optimize for extremely large filesystems, and, though it won't win speed records in some areas, it holds it's own. I have been using it since 2000. I even use it for boot, but there is no reason for that. This year I began running most of my fs's in sync mode, except for highly active data shares. This has actually had very little impact at all. When I run upgrades, I remount async, but I have found that sync mode does not cause horrible slowness, and frankly kicks ass. I even run my desktops in sync mode. I have used ext2 tons, ext3 enough to dislike it, reiserfs and jfs. I have tested most all of them on production servers. Last year we re building a new database server with JFS. It is a dual opteron, and at length we ran into a few problems where we got no real errors, but JFS would spit out something random and remount the fs readonly. Memtest, this that the other - none of it worked. We ended up using XFS. So, since we are on the topic of flame wars... and there is this random FS post, theres my two cents.Thanks, Joshua
Re: [gentoo-user] Have you seen my flamesuit? (Was: How many people use KDE?)
Chris White wrote: On Friday 20 January 2006 18:10, Linux Java wrote: I wanna to know KDE and Gnome which is more popular. That's the most blatant start of a flamewar I've seen... Ok, let's sit here and ponder. People like KDE, people like GNOME, hell, people like fluxbox and xfce. Now to put this in perspective, basically there is no right answer to this question, and no matter how much someone suggests, there never will be. I'm also curious as to how you plan to consider people's opinions on 'popular' valid. The question of which is better (the question you SHOULD be asking) comes down to this: 1) Why do I need a WM/DE? 2) What do I do regularly that would make my life easier? 3) How much customization am I looking for? 4) How well do applications I commonly use integrate with it? 5) What do I think of the community behind it? Now, these questions are only answerable by you, because.. they are SUBJECTIVE. That's why flamewars come about, people try and answer subjective questions, then it goes nowhere. So before this goes any further, guys, think independently about what you need from your DE/WM and make the world a better place. Chris White Basically, nobody is right and everybody is wrong. Makes sense to me. Dale :-) Testing to see if I can email tonight. I just had to think of something to say. LOL -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Have you seen my flamesuit? (Was: How many people use KDE?)
Re: [gentoo-user] Have you seen my flamesuit? *ROTFLMAO* that gave me the biggest laugh in a while... thanks :) -- Iain Buchanan iain at netspace dot net dot au That government is best which governs least. -- Henry David Thoreau, Civil Disobedience -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
