Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 bugs update
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote: 090929 Paul Hartman wrote: On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 2:04 AM, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote: The one exception is Konsole, which is a shadow of 3.5.10 , According to changelog the KDE4 version of Konsole has added : Quick reactions, further advice welcome : automatic tab titles (shows current directory) -- trivial split screen mode -- yes, mb useful, but similar to tabs performance increase on scrolling large terminals -- don't need it better profile set-up dialogs -- yes, but they still don't work properly runs all Konsole sessions from a single process -- useful for what ? can use personalized profile in embedded Konsoles -- don't need it easy SSH session bookmarking -- can't find it much improved search -- no sign of it (present in 3.5.10) real transparency -- don't need it new themes -- don't need them (I use Fluxbox) open your GUI file manager in the current directory -- trivial mouse-wheel scrolls pgms that don't naturally support it (eg Less) -- yes So yes, a couple of small items I mt use occasionally. What's missing from the 3.x series ? A much longer list of schemas, start root console, search (see above), set window geometry (inside Konsole or when starting it: see my bug list). I am hopeful the KDE devs will restore more with 4.4.1 4.5.1 , but it hasn't happened yet. Hi, Points well taken; I don't use the features you're missing and honestly I don't use most of the new ones either. :) Open Browser Here is the most useful one to me (it even works in Midnight Commander relative to which pane is currently active). In re-reading my previous message to you in this thread I hope it didn't seem confrontational to you, or if it led people to pile on, that was not my intention at all. I was simply curious what was missing since the few features I use seemed to have gone unchanged or been improved. So my apologies in case you took it that way. Often I'll write short, direct e-mails on these lists while I'm on a phone call or doing other things and sometimes lack the forethought or communication skills necessary to convey the almost-certainly-always-good-spirited nature of my question. :) Thanks Paul
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 bugs update
Volker Armin Hemmann writes: On Dienstag 29 September 2009, Alex Schuster wrote: Philip Webb writes: I've added to a number of KDE bugs relating to problems with 4.3.1 . Thanks for doing so! Hopefully this will improve KDE. I also have a huuuge list of KDE bugs, but I am still at 4.2, and I hope at least some of them have been fixed already. But I will wait with the update until I have some time, because normally I need my PC with KDE running, and I fear something will go wrong while updating. I will report those bugs that are still happening with 4.3. quickpkg. Update goes wrong. Go back with --usepgk Makes downgrades quick and painless. Right. Although this will be a huge list of packages, as I have to remove all of KDE 4.2 first because of removing the kdeprefix use flag. And then... some days ago I wanted to try ati-drivers-9.8, and had to upgrade 6 packages, xorg-1.6 and such. I quickpkg'd them, tried the new drivers (no success of course), downgraded with --usepkg, and still I cannot get it to work again. I am using the radeon drivers for now until I get some time to figure this out. Wonko
xorg-server update (was: Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 bugs update)
Alex Schuster writes: And then... some days ago I wanted to try ati-drivers-9.8, and had to upgrade 6 packages, xorg-1.6 and such. I quickpkg'd them, tried the new drivers (no success of course), downgraded with --usepkg, and still I cannot get it to work again. I am using the radeon drivers for now until I get some time to figure this out. Now I took some time and upgraded to xorg-server-1.6.3.901-r2 again. At first, X started fine, but I had no keyboard and mouse. As before, which I workarounded by compiling xorg-server without hal. It turned out I had to re-compile xf86-input-evdev. Had forgotten this, although it is in the 'qlist -I -C x11-drivers/' output and the xorg-server ebuild told me to rebuild all this. Now, the good thing is that X is running, I have mouse and keyboard. German keyboard, configured by hal, not directly in xorg.conf. Hooray. The bad thing is that I only get a blank screen, regardless of the driver (fglrx, radeonhd, radeon, vesa, ati). With one driver I was even able to change the screen resolution vial Ctrl-Alt-+, my monitor showed this, but it still was blank. I also tried xorg-server-1.6.4, with the same result. Now I went back to xorg-server-1.5.3-r7, re-compiled everything X related, and at least it is working again. Wonko
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 bugs update
Change it in Systemsettings. I use konsole-4.3.1 with kde-3.5.10 and after the change it opens firefox for me. What all do you unmask for this? I'm still kicking around 3.5.10, but I wouldn't mind some updated apps, and some of the new Konsole features sound useful (which is ironic, since they were laid out as to why there aren't differences from 3.5.10...) Of course I wouldn't mind Okular either, but I think this needs the full kde4 libraries. ~daid
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 bugs update
Am 01.10.2009 08:27, schrieb daid kahl: What all do you unmask for this? I'm still kicking around 3.5.10, but I wouldn't mind some updated apps, and some of the new Konsole features sound useful (which is ironic, since they were laid out as to why there aren't differences from 3.5.10...) I don't know what was exactly needed to unmask because I go ~amd64 since some time now. To prevent kde4 to install full I have it hard masked in package.mask and use autounmask to unmask the parts I want to use. You could use autounmask -p kde-base/konsole-4.3.1-r1 to see what would be unmasked. Of course I wouldn't mind Okular either, but I think this needs the full kde4 libraries. I use Okular here and it works really fine. Ok, I have 8GB RAM so the additional libs from kde4 don't hurt here. Greetings Sebastian
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 bugs update
On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 15:27:47 +0900, daid kahl daid...@gmail.com wrote: Change it in Systemsettings. I use konsole-4.3.1 with kde-3.5.10 and after the change it opens firefox for me. What all do you unmask for this? I'm still kicking around 3.5.10, but I wouldn't mind some updated apps, and some of the new Konsole features sound useful (which is ironic, since they were laid out as to why there aren't differences from 3.5.10...) Of course I wouldn't mind Okular either, but I think this needs the full kde4 libraries. I don't know if I understand you well, but either way you'll need kdelibs for *any* kde package, konsole is no exception. It's perfectly possible to have 3.x and 4.x installed alongside, but if you use both at the same time it will of course cause an extra waste of ram. There's no work around for that because you will have to load the run time stuff for both kde 3.x and 4.x, but nothing that a modern desktop machine should be worried about. You can start by keywording kdelibs and konsole for your ~arch, then try to emerge and go from there. -- Jesús Guerrero
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 bugs update
On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 05:45:34 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: split screen mode -- yes, mb useful, but similar to tabs no. I can't see the point of this feature. If it were two terminals side by side, so ypou could run a command in one while tailing a log file in the other, it would be extremely handy, especially with SSH, but it just shows the same output twice. Or am I doing something stupid? -- Neil Bothwick He's so cool, he could get frostbite from masturbating. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 bugs update
Am 30.09.2009 06:49, schrieb Roy Wright: Next install the Konsole Profiles widget where ever it is convenient (desktop, panel). You can only install this widget when running kde 4.x as DE. Philip wrote more then one time that he uses Fluxbox not KDE. That is the main problem that I have with kde 4.x. More and more can one only use the apps when using the full KDE. Features are stripped from the app and put into widgets that only work on KDE. I really hate that. Greetings Sebastian
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 bugs update
090930 Neil Bothwick wrote: 090930 Philip Webb wrote: split screen mode -- yes, mb useful, but similar to tabs I can't see the point of this: it just shows the same output twice. If it were two terminals side by side, so you could run a command in one while tailing a log file in the other, it would be extremely handy, especially with SSH Or am I doing something stupid? You will get what you want, if you have 2 tabs open; you can see multiple tabs by splitting the window more than once. So I will add this feature to my 'yes' column, making 3 in all (smile). However, the help -- hiding away at the far R of the menubar (ugh!) -- doesn't explain it correctly : Splits all the tabs into left and right views Any output on one view is duplicated in the other view. Yet another gripe re KDE 4 is the very scanty help available. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 bugs update
090929 Roy Wright wrote: On Sep 29, 2009, at 10:27 PM, Philip Webb wrote: What's missing from the 3.x series ? ... start root console ... Starting a root (or any other) console is easy. Use Manage Profiles to create the profile ... But it's already there waiting for you in Konsole 3.5.10 . -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 bugs update
090930 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 30 September 2009, Philip Webb wrote: easy SSH session bookmarking -- can't find it log in via ssh, click on 'bookmarks' click on 'add bookmarks'. Yes indeed ! -- add another 'yes', making 4 . new themes -- don't need them (I use Fluxbox) Konsole themes, not window manager themes. How do I find them ? opening the webbrower when right click 'open' on a web address Yes again ! -- it opens Konqueror: is there any way to change that ? So that makes 5 useful features added (with others dropped for now). Thanks for your helpful response. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 bugs update
On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 05:39:53 -0400, Philip Webb wrote: You will get what you want, if you have 2 tabs open; you can see multiple tabs by splitting the window more than once. So I will add this feature to my 'yes' column, making 3 in all (smile). Aha, I get it now. Split and then change tab on one view. That makes sense. -- Neil Bothwick Electricians DO IT until it Hz... signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 bugs update
Am 30.09.2009 11:57, schrieb Philip Webb: Yes again ! -- it opens Konqueror: is there any way to change that ? Change it in Systemsettings. I use konsole-4.3.1 with kde-3.5.10 and after the change it opens firefox for me. Greetings Sebastian
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 bugs update
Am 30.09.2009 11:58, schrieb Neil Bothwick: Aha, I get it now. Split and then change tab on one view. That makes sense. It is a nice feature with a little annoying bug sticked to it. I have the open new tab and close tab buttons active in the tabbar. I open two tabs in left/right-split-mode then only the left side has the buttons. If I now close the left side again the buttons are gone for good. I have to open the profile-settings, toggle the option off and on to get them back. If that can be confirmed I open a bug for it. Greetings Sebastian Beßler
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 bugs update
090930 Sebastian Beßler commented on Konsole split view + tabs : It is a nice feature with a little annoying bug sticked to it. I have the open new tab and close tab buttons active in the tabbar. I open two tabs in split-mode then only the left side has the buttons. If I now close the left side again the buttons are gone for good. I have to open the profile-settings, toggle the option off and on to get them back. If that can be confirmed I open a bug for it. Yes, I noticed that too. Also when you exit split mode, it leaves a tab there's no way to hide the tab bar again. They need bug reports do seem to react sensibly, if slowly, to them. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 bugs update
On Mittwoch 30 September 2009, Sebastian Beßler wrote: Am 30.09.2009 06:49, schrieb Roy Wright: Next install the Konsole Profiles widget where ever it is convenient (desktop, panel). You can only install this widget when running kde 4.x as DE. Philip wrote more then one time that he uses Fluxbox not KDE. That is the main problem that I have with kde 4.x. More and more can one only use the apps when using the full KDE. Features are stripped from the app and put into widgets that only work on KDE. I really hate that. except you are wrong here. The konsole profiles widget is an additional feature, not a replacement. Just create the profiles you want and you can easily choose with a single mouse click in konsole. Also plasma-desktop does not need a full blown kde or even kwin. KDE is happily running with every ICCCM /EWMH adhering windowmanager.
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 bugs update
On Mittwoch 30 September 2009, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 05:45:34 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: split screen mode -- yes, mb useful, but similar to tabs no. I can't see the point of this feature. If it were two terminals side by side, so ypou could run a command in one while tailing a log file in the other, it would be extremely handy, especially with SSH, but it just shows the same output twice. Or am I doing something stupid? no and yes. The two show the same output. But if you have several tabs and you let something big running in one of them you can split it, switch to another tab and watch whatever goes on. You can also do side-by-side stuff that way. Could be done better, but still usefull and more than just tabs.
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 bugs update
On Mittwoch 30 September 2009, Philip Webb wrote: 090930 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 30 September 2009, Philip Webb wrote: easy SSH session bookmarking -- can't find it log in via ssh, click on 'bookmarks' click on 'add bookmarks'. Yes indeed ! -- add another 'yes', making 4 . new themes -- don't need them (I use Fluxbox) Konsole themes, not window manager themes. How do I find them ? Settings --- change current profile or whatever it is called in english. There you can createset colour schemes, font, font size, font antialising, transparency. opening the webbrower when right click 'open' on a web address Yes again ! -- it opens Konqueror: is there any way to change that ? systemsettings, standard components, web browser
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 bugs update
090929 Alex Schuster wrote: I also have a huuuge list of KDE bugs, but I am still at 4.2 and I hope at least some of them have been fixed already. But I will wait with the update until I have some time, because normally I need my PC with KDE running and I fear something will go wrong while updating. KDE 4.3.1 is an enormous improvement over 4.2.1 : the apps are stable basic functions are available. Responses in KDE Bugzilla suggest their devs want to satisfy users: they tend to be We haven't got there yet but are working on it rather than Forget it, get used to it, it's been dropped. The one exception is Konsole, which is a shadow of 3.5.10 , so that I've adopted Xterm the Xfce Terminal for some jobs. NB I am not using the desktop, which I haven't installed, but such apps as Gwenview, Okular, Konqueror, games; I found Fluxbox even better for my needs that the KDE 3.5.10 desktop. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 bugs update
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 2:04 AM, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote: The one exception is Konsole, which is a shadow of 3.5.10 , In what ways? According to changelog the KDE4 version of Konsole has added automatic tab titles (shows current directory), split screen mode, a performance increase on scrolling large terminals, better profile setup dialogs, runs all konsole sessions from a single-process, can use personalized profile in embedded konsoles, easy SSH session bookmarking, much improved search, real transparency, new themes, a command to open your GUI file manager in the current directory, enable mouse-wheel to scroll programs that don't naturally support it (like less), etc. What's missing from the 3.x series?
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 bugs update
090929 Paul Hartman wrote: On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 2:04 AM, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote: The one exception is Konsole, which is a shadow of 3.5.10 , According to changelog the KDE4 version of Konsole has added : Quick reactions, further advice welcome : automatic tab titles (shows current directory) -- trivial split screen mode -- yes, mb useful, but similar to tabs performance increase on scrolling large terminals -- don't need it better profile set-up dialogs -- yes, but they still don't work properly runs all Konsole sessions from a single process -- useful for what ? can use personalized profile in embedded Konsoles -- don't need it easy SSH session bookmarking -- can't find it much improved search -- no sign of it (present in 3.5.10) real transparency -- don't need it new themes -- don't need them (I use Fluxbox) open your GUI file manager in the current directory -- trivial mouse-wheel scrolls pgms that don't naturally support it (eg Less) -- yes So yes, a couple of small items I mt use occasionally. What's missing from the 3.x series ? A much longer list of schemas, start root console, search (see above), set window geometry (inside Konsole or when starting it: see my bug list). I am hopeful the KDE devs will restore more with 4.4.1 4.5.1 , but it hasn't happened yet. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 bugs update
On Mittwoch 30 September 2009, Philip Webb wrote: 090929 Paul Hartman wrote: On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 2:04 AM, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote: The one exception is Konsole, which is a shadow of 3.5.10 , According to changelog the KDE4 version of Konsole has added : Quick reactions, further advice welcome : automatic tab titles (shows current directory) -- trivial and very usefull split screen mode -- yes, mb useful, but similar to tabs no. performance increase on scrolling large terminals -- don't need it yes, you need it. You don't realize you need it. Slow scrolling has a lot of drawbacks not just 'it is not as fast as I want' but also 'it is not as fast as the process dumping info wants' runs all Konsole sessions from a single process -- useful for what ? memory consumption? can use personalized profile in embedded Konsoles -- don't need it you maybe not. easy SSH session bookmarking -- can't find it log in via ssh, click on 'bookmarks' click on 'add bookmarks'. You are done (or not, but in that case, edit bookmarks, you are done). much improved search -- no sign of it (present in 3.5.10) emm - no real transparency -- don't need it you maybe not. But a lot of people like it. new themes -- don't need them (I use Fluxbox) konsole themes, not window manager themes. open your GUI file manager in the current directory -- trivial and still not done by a lot of terminals. Oh, and opening the webbrower when right click 'open' on a web adress A much longer list of schemas, start root console, search (see above), search? what search is missing?
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 bugs update
On Sep 29, 2009, at 10:27 PM, Philip Webb wrote: 090929 Paul Hartman wrote: What's missing from the 3.x series ? A much longer list of schemas, start root console, search (see above), set window geometry (inside Konsole or when starting it: see my bug list). Starting a root (or any other) console is easy. Use Manage Profiles to create the profile. You can then open it via File menu or Settings, Change Profile menu. To get the profile button in the bottom left corner, again use Manage Profiles, Tabs, and enable Show 'New Tab' and 'Close Tab' buttons in tab bar. Note, when defining a root console, for the command, use either /bin/ su or /bin/sudo -i or whatever your system needs. Next install the Konsole Profiles widget where ever it is convenient (desktop, panel). Have fun, Roy
[gentoo-user] KDE 4 bugs update
I've added to a number of KDE bugs relating to problems with 4.3.1 . KDE bug 165355 : Konsole doesn't respect the '--geometry' parameter. KDE bug 190843 (also 194716) : Gwenview has no option to show hidden files. KDE bug 190216 : Gwenview has no option 'rename'; 'move' is inadequate. KDE bug 182361 : Gwenview refuses to display a thumbnail when the extension doesn't match the image type; the problem is in Qt, but still no action from them. KDE bug 196858 : Kmahjongg doesn't show grid of removed tiles. KDE bug 167910 : Ksokoban hasn't been ported to KDE 4 . KDE bug 184088 : 'worldclock' plasmoid doesn't work in Marble. It is suggested this is a Gentoo failure: before I submit a Gentoo bug, does anyone have info ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 bugs update
Philip Webb writes: I've added to a number of KDE bugs relating to problems with 4.3.1 . Thanks for doing so! Hopefully this will improve KDE. I also have a huuuge list of KDE bugs, but I am still at 4.2, and I hope at least some of them have been fixed already. But I will wait with the update until I have some time, because normally I need my PC with KDE running, and I fear something will go wrong while updating. I will report those bugs that are still happening with 4.3. Wonko
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 bugs update
On Dienstag 29 September 2009, Alex Schuster wrote: Philip Webb writes: I've added to a number of KDE bugs relating to problems with 4.3.1 . Thanks for doing so! Hopefully this will improve KDE. I also have a huuuge list of KDE bugs, but I am still at 4.2, and I hope at least some of them have been fixed already. But I will wait with the update until I have some time, because normally I need my PC with KDE running, and I fear something will go wrong while updating. I will report those bugs that are still happening with 4.3. Wonko quickpkg. Update goes wrong. Go back with --usepgk Makes downgrades quick and painless.
