Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4 printer config question

2010-03-10 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Wednesday 10 March 2010 02:25:28 Roy Wright wrote:

 But now the KDE Printer Configuration dialog appears to be hitting
 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=204558

Yes, I started getting this when I upgraded to 4.4.1; before that it was 
working fine. Thanks for the bug pointer.

-- 
Rgds
Peter.



Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4 printer config question

2010-03-09 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Tuesday 09 March 2010 04:48:51 Roy Wright wrote:
 Howdy,
 
 OK, installed KDE 4.4.1 on an older box (BE-2400 4GB ~x86), seems to
 be working pretty good.  But am having trouble trying to figure out
 the kde way to configure a network (cups on a kubuntu system)
 printer.
 
 From system_settings, Printer Configuration, the Server Settings are
 all disabled.  I think I need to set Show printers shared by other
 systems.  So first tried running system_settings as root to see
 if it's an authentication issue, no luck, still disabled.  Next did
 some googling and thought maybe need to use kauth to allow it, again
 no luck.  Any good tutorials on how to use kauth?
 
 So any ideas on what piece of the puzzle I'm missing?

Sounds to me as though you haven't set CUPS up right on the machine 
connected to the printer. You need it to allow other machines on your 
network to print, and maybe to administer CUPS if you want to move 
printer administration to another box.

 On a side topic, I had cloned the System Settings menu item to set
 one version up to run as root.  The new menu item does not show up
 in the new menu manager, but does using old style menus.  Any
 pointers on how to add items to the new menu style?

You shouldn't need to be root on the client box to connect to printers 
on the server box.

-- 
Rgds
Peter.



Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4 printer config question

2010-03-09 Thread Roy Wright

On Mar 9, 2010, at 5:21 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote:

 Sounds to me as though you haven't set CUPS up right on the machine 
 connected to the printer. You need it to allow other machines on your 
 network to print, and maybe to administer CUPS if you want to move 
 printer administration to another box.
 

Just got CUPS working from gentoo to kubuntu.  The misunderstood part for me 
was the need to set up cupsd.conf for sharing even though I was only using a 
remote printer specified with ServerName in client.conf.

But now the KDE Printer Configuration dialog appears to be hitting 
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=204558

So I'm going to conclude that KDE 4.4.1 is not ready for printer configuration 
and just stick with CUPS.  Sad.

Thanks everyone!

Roy




[gentoo-user] KDE4 printer config question

2010-03-08 Thread Roy Wright
Howdy,

OK, installed KDE 4.4.1 on an older box (BE-2400 4GB ~x86), seems to be working 
pretty good.  But am having trouble trying to figure out the kde way to 
configure a network (cups on a kubuntu system) printer.

From system_settings, Printer Configuration, the Server Settings are all 
disabled.  I think I need to set Show printers shared by other systems.  So 
first tried running system_settings as root to see if it's an authentication 
issue, no luck, still disabled.  Next did some googling and thought maybe need 
to use kauth to allow it, again no luck.  Any good tutorials on how to use 
kauth?

So any ideas on what piece of the puzzle I'm missing?

On a side topic, I had cloned the System Settings menu item to set one version 
up to run as root.  The new menu item does not show up in the new menu manager, 
but does using old style menus.  Any pointers on how to add items to the new 
menu style?

TIA,
Roy




Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4 printer config question

2010-03-08 Thread ubiquitous1980
Roy, without being presumptuous, I would say that using D.E. (Desktop
Environment) tools for printing are not the best because of
inconsistency in layout and authentication problems.  My suggestion is
to open up your web browser and use localhost:631 in the address bar to
access CUPS and do it this way.  My line of reasoning is that you want
consistency, which is what you get with this method.  Printers
configured in this way are available in your chosen D.E.  In my
use-case, I have an HP usb printer which can connect via cat 6 cable and
I also use KDE 4.3.  I have configured the printer with CUPS via a web
browser and have few issues.

I trust that helps.

Damien

Roy Wright wrote:
 Howdy,

 OK, installed KDE 4.4.1 on an older box (BE-2400 4GB ~x86), seems to be 
 working pretty good.  But am having trouble trying to figure out the kde way 
 to configure a network (cups on a kubuntu system) printer.

 From system_settings, Printer Configuration, the Server Settings are all 
 disabled.  I think I need to set Show printers shared by other systems.  So 
 first tried running system_settings as root to see if it's an 
 authentication issue, no luck, still disabled.  Next did some googling and 
 thought maybe need to use kauth to allow it, again no luck.  Any good 
 tutorials on how to use kauth?

 So any ideas on what piece of the puzzle I'm missing?

 On a side topic, I had cloned the System Settings menu item to set one 
 version up to run as root.  The new menu item does not show up in the new 
 menu manager, but does using old style menus.  Any pointers on how to add 
 items to the new menu style?

 TIA,
 Roy


   




Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4 printer config question

2010-03-08 Thread Roy Wright

On Mar 8, 2010, at 10:54 PM, ubiquitous1980 wrote:

 Roy, without being presumptuous, I would say that using D.E. (Desktop
 Environment) tools for printing are not the best because of
 inconsistency in layout and authentication problems.  My suggestion is
 to open up your web browser and use localhost:631 in the address bar to
 access CUPS and do it this way.  My line of reasoning is that you want
 consistency, which is what you get with this method.  Printers
 configured in this way are available in your chosen D.E.  In my
 use-case, I have an HP usb printer which can connect via cat 6 cable and
 I also use KDE 4.3.  I have configured the printer with CUPS via a web
 browser and have few issues.
 
 I trust that helps.
 
 Damien
 

I agree, but am wanting to give kde 4.4.1 a try at handling the printer just to 
see if it can do it.  Currently the answer is either no or I haven't found a 
required configuration change.

Thank you,
Roy




Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4 printer config question

2010-03-08 Thread Mick
On Tuesday 09 March 2010 05:15:38 Roy Wright wrote:
 On Mar 8, 2010, at 10:54 PM, ubiquitous1980 wrote:
  Roy, without being presumptuous, I would say that using D.E. (Desktop
  Environment) tools for printing are not the best because of
  inconsistency in layout and authentication problems.  My suggestion is
  to open up your web browser and use localhost:631 in the address bar to
  access CUPS and do it this way.  My line of reasoning is that you want
  consistency, which is what you get with this method.  Printers
  configured in this way are available in your chosen D.E.  In my
  use-case, I have an HP usb printer which can connect via cat 6 cable and
  I also use KDE 4.3.  I have configured the printer with CUPS via a web
  browser and have few issues.
 
  I trust that helps.
 
  Damien
 
 I agree, but am wanting to give kde 4.4.1 a try at handling the printer
  just to see if it can do it.  Currently the answer is either no or I
  haven't found a required configuration change.

I would set it up using CUPS as Damien suggested and then KDE should pick up 
the settings without any additional effort on your behalf - i.e. I would think 
that the server settings would no longer be disabled (as long as you have 
listen to more than the default 127.0.0.1 in cupsd.conf).

-- 
Regards,
Mick


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