Re: [gentoo-user] KDE version
On Wednesday 22 March 2006 08:31, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: On Wednesday 22 March 2006 02:42, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: But the times, that gentoo was pretty actual in the stable tree are over. You do realize the above sentence makes no freakin' sense, right? nope. If I had realized that, I would have not written it. Gentoo was once VERY up to date, but than the 'stable mania' started and since then, gentoo needs way to much time to get new versions into the stable tree. 3.5.0 is out for ages. 3.5.1 is out for ages Stable is 3.4.3... that is so sad. I am already running 3.5.1 for ages. Perhaps ' so sadness' is no proper mental attitude to achieve the upgrade. package.keywords is my friend, 300+ packages at bleeding edge versions. -- Petr -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE version
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: On Tuesday 21 March 2006 16:40, Hemmann, Volker Armin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] KDE version': On Tuesday 21 March 2006 22:12, Thierry de Coulon wrote: On Tuesday 21 March 2006 21.13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To-day I installed kdebase using emerge kdebase. But the installed version was 3.4.3. Is it right? Did not KDE reach 3.5 version? I did not sync recently but (on my amd64 machine) emerge --pretend =kde-3.5.0 shows the package are still masked with keyword. which is quite sad - KDE 3.5.1 is out for ages! The KDE team is a bunch of weenies. :P Seriously, I think they hold package releases (even point releases) in package.mask and ~ARCH too long. HOWEVER, they are provide (IIRC) both split and monolithic ebuilds, which is quite a bit of work to get completely right. But the times, that gentoo was pretty actual in the stable tree are over. You do realize the above sentence makes no freakin' sense, right? Is this so bad with gnome too? sarcasm What's gnome? /sarcasm Just a note: KDE dev don't decide whenever it becomes to ARCH instead of ~ARCH, that is an ARCH gentoo maintainers. They are supposed to be the ARCH specialists. When they think some app is stable in their ARCH, it will be moved to ARCH from ~ARCH. But if you wanna have the latest packages, just ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~ARCH where ARCH is your computers' architecture. Maybe your system will be a little more unstable, but from my point of view, it is still stable using ~x86 (mine haven't broken yet). Bye !! Rafael Fernández López. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEI1Qc9RRlaicc3IERAt6vAJ4wk9jf6jFgzHTb9ZS1dXSLxxiWsQCcDVLJ NGm98P+IE3BgyRIIP1JWjK0= =SL08 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE version
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 08:31:14 +0100, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: Gentoo was once VERY up to date, but than the 'stable mania' started and since then, gentoo needs way to much time to get new versions into the stable tree. That's because stable is for people who consider stable more important than new. They don't want to be continually updating their systems. No one is forcing anyone to run a stable KDE, although it would make life easier if it were possible to put kde-base/* ~arch in portage.keywords. Gentoo is still VERY up to date, but only for those who choose the very up to date option. All the same, KDE 3.5.1 has been out for almost two months (I can understand the reticence in marking a .0 release stable) with very few patches applied. Considering the number of people that are using it successfully, that does seem rather a long time. However, Gentoo is a volunteer distro, and KDE is a BIG set of packages, it may simply be that there are not enough people available to work on the hundreds of ebuilds involved. -- Neil Bothwick Assassins do it from behind. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] KDE version
Hi everybody. To-day I installed kdebase using emerge kdebase. But the installed version was 3.4.3. Is it right? Did not KDE reach 3.5 version? emilio -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE version
Hi everybody. To-day I installed kdebase using emerge kdebase. But the installed version was 3.4.3. Is it right? Did not KDE reach 3.5 version? Hi, that's normal, because all kde-3.5 packages are still masked. You have to unmask them to get kde-3.5 installed. This link should help you : http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Update_KDE_3.3_to_KDE_3.4 Petr -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE version
On Tuesday 21 March 2006 21.13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everybody. To-day I installed kdebase using emerge kdebase. But the installed version was 3.4.3. Is it right? Did not KDE reach 3.5 version? emilio I did not sync recently but (on my amd64 machine) emerge --pretend =kde-3.5.0 shows the package are still masked with keyword. Thierry -- The problem with the world is stupidity. Not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself? Frank Zappa -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE version
On Tuesday 21 March 2006 22:12, Thierry de Coulon wrote: On Tuesday 21 March 2006 21.13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everybody. To-day I installed kdebase using emerge kdebase. But the installed version was 3.4.3. Is it right? Did not KDE reach 3.5 version? emilio I did not sync recently but (on my amd64 machine) emerge --pretend =kde-3.5.0 shows the package are still masked with keyword. which is quite sad - KDE 3.5.1 is out for ages! But the times, that gentoo was pretty actual in the stable tree are over. Is this so bad with gnome too? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE version
060321 Thierry de Coulon wrote: On Tuesday 21 March 2006 21.13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To-day I installed kdebase using emerge kdebase. But the installed version was 3.4.3. Is it right? Did not KDE reach 3.5 version? KDE 3.5.1 is in testing, ie stable upstream but ebuilds not fully tested. I've been using 3.5.1 since 060306 without any problems: simply make USE=~x86 for the packages you want. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE version
On Tuesday 21 March 2006 16:40, Hemmann, Volker Armin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] KDE version': On Tuesday 21 March 2006 22:12, Thierry de Coulon wrote: On Tuesday 21 March 2006 21.13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To-day I installed kdebase using emerge kdebase. But the installed version was 3.4.3. Is it right? Did not KDE reach 3.5 version? I did not sync recently but (on my amd64 machine) emerge --pretend =kde-3.5.0 shows the package are still masked with keyword. which is quite sad - KDE 3.5.1 is out for ages! The KDE team is a bunch of weenies. :P Seriously, I think they hold package releases (even point releases) in package.mask and ~ARCH too long. HOWEVER, they are provide (IIRC) both split and monolithic ebuilds, which is quite a bit of work to get completely right. But the times, that gentoo was pretty actual in the stable tree are over. You do realize the above sentence makes no freakin' sense, right? Is this so bad with gnome too? sarcasm What's gnome? /sarcasm -- If there's one thing we've established over the years, it's that the vast majority of our users don't have the slightest clue what's best for them in terms of package stability. -- Gentoo Developer Ciaran McCreesh -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE version
Hemmann, Volker Armin schrieb: Is this so bad with gnome too? Yes. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE version
On 21 March 2006 22:13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everybody. To-day I installed kdebase using emerge kdebase. But the installed version was 3.4.3. Is it right? Did not KDE reach 3.5 version? You did an emerge --sync in beforehand, didn't you? Uwe -- Why do consumers keep buying products they will live to curse? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE version
On Wednesday 22 March 2006 02:42, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: But the times, that gentoo was pretty actual in the stable tree are over. You do realize the above sentence makes no freakin' sense, right? nope. If I had realized that, I would have not written it. Gentoo was once VERY up to date, but than the 'stable mania' started and since then, gentoo needs way to much time to get new versions into the stable tree. 3.5.0 is out for ages. 3.5.1 is out for ages Stable is 3.4.3... that is so sad. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Kde version
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:35:54 +1300, Nick Rout wrote: In other words after kde.org (or any other software writer) releases a new version, it takes some time for the gentoo devs to make sure it is working ok before they release it on the masses of gentoo users who rely on the devs to keep their systems stable. And a bloody good thing too! Especially with something like KDE where there are hundreds of inter-related ebuilds. If you don't want to wait for ebuilds to be tested fully, run ~arch and help with the testing yourself. -- Neil Bothwick Keep your words soft and sweet in case you have to eat them. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Kde version
Hi folks ! I upgrade my gentoo every day, and when I try to upgrade the kde, the portage always display the last version of kde as 3.4.1. But newer versions of kde has been launched (3.4.3). What´s the reason of this late version still remains in the portage list ?? -- __Atenciosamente,Thiago Lüttig__
Re: [gentoo-user] Kde version
Thiago Lüttig wrote: Hi folks ! I upgrade my gentoo every day, and when I try to upgrade the kde, the portage always display the last version of kde as 3.4.1. But newer versions of kde has been launched (3.4.3). What´s the reason of this late version still remains in the portage list ?? 3.4.1 is the latest version marked as stable. See portage documentation about using ~arch marked packages. 3.4.3 will be marked stable soon. Watch http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=112842 for progress. Regards, Petteri signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Kde version
On Mon November 21 2005 1:33 pm, Thiago Lüttig wrote: Hi folks ! I upgrade my gentoo every day, and when I try to upgrade the kde, the portage always display the last version of kde as 3.4.1. But newer versions of kde has been launched (3.4.3). What´s the reason of this late version still remains in the portage list ?? __ Atenciosamente, Thiago Lüttig You need to learn about masking in portage. Type in man:portage in a konqueror address bar, and look at all the options for setting up your /etc/portage directory files. The settings in these files will overide /etc/make.conf That way, you'll be able to emerge stuff that's in ~x86 in addition to x86 (so-called stable. It's common that the newest kde releases won't make it into x86 right away, so you need to unmask and keyword them. They almost always work fine. for example, I've been running kde 3.5 betas and rc1for many weeks- no problems. But, I'm pure ~x86 (in make.conf) anyway, so I always have the latest packages show up in my emerge -uD system or world. Robert Crawford -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Kde version
On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 22:29:25 +0200 Petteri Räty wrote: Thiago Lüttig wrote: Hi folks ! I upgrade my gentoo every day, and when I try to upgrade the kde, the portage always display the last version of kde as 3.4.1. But newer versions of kde has been launched (3.4.3). What´s the reason of this late version still remains in the portage list ?? 3.4.1 is the latest version marked as stable. See portage documentation about using ~arch marked packages. 3.4.3 will be marked stable soon. Watch http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=112842 for progress. I think the OP's point is that although the latest kde that is marked stable' by gentoo is 3.4.1, the kde group in fact have released (and therefore consider stable) version 3.4.3. And the reason for that is that it takes some time for the gentoo build system for kde to be considered stable. In other words after kde.org (or any other software writer) releases a new version, it takes some time for the gentoo devs to make sure it is working ok before they release it on the masses of gentoo users who rely on the devs to keep their systems stable. And a bloody good thing too! Regards, Petteri -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Kde version
You would be amazed at how frustrated gentoo users make devs. Plus going from distribution to distribution not everything works 100% the same exact way. On Tue, 2005-11-22 at 14:35 +1300, Nick Rout wrote: On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 22:29:25 +0200 Petteri Räty wrote: Thiago Lüttig wrote: Hi folks ! I upgrade my gentoo every day, and when I try to upgrade the kde, the portage always display the last version of kde as 3.4.1. But newer versions of kde has been launched (3.4.3). What´s the reason of this late version still remains in the portage list ?? 3.4.1 is the latest version marked as stable. See portage documentation about using ~arch marked packages. 3.4.3 will be marked stable soon. Watch http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=112842 for progress. I think the OP's point is that although the latest kde that is marked stable' by gentoo is 3.4.1, the kde group in fact have released (and therefore consider stable) version 3.4.3. And the reason for that is that it takes some time for the gentoo build system for kde to be considered stable. In other words after kde.org (or any other software writer) releases a new version, it takes some time for the gentoo devs to make sure it is working ok before they release it on the masses of gentoo users who rely on the devs to keep their systems stable. And a bloody good thing too! Regards, Petteri -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Douglas James Dunn.-. 468 South 7th street /v\L I N U X Indiana, PA 15701// \\ Phear the Penguin cell: (724) 316-8266/( )\ Indiana University ^^-^^ of Pennsylvania () The ASCII Ribbon Campaign - against HTML Email, /\ vCards, and proprietary formats. . .vir.d$b .d$$b..cd$$b. .d$$b. d$$$b .d$$b. .d$$b. ( )$$$b d$$$()$$$. d$$$b Q$$$P$$$P.$$$b. .$$$b. Q$$BP d$$$PQb. . .$$$P' `$$$ .$$$P' `$$$ $$$P Q$$$b d$$$P Qb b b..d$$$ b..d$$$ d$$P Q$$$ Q $ `Q$$$P `Q$$$P $$$P ` Q$$$P Q$$$P Q$$$P `Q$$P signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
