Re: [gentoo-user] LibreOffice 3.4.4: required HDD space
On 20 November 2011 20:09, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 18:58:22 + James Broadhead jamesbroadh...@gmail.com wrote: Seeing as the ebuild is 'aware' of CFLAGS and USE, it would be nice if it would use that information (roughly) to determine how much space to check for. 4-9GiB is a pretty wide range. A slight mis-measurement on how much space a specific setup needs results in a failed build, or a build that won't start or any amount of other craziness. Read the maintainer's blog sometime (it's on the gentoo.org frontpage) to get a sense of what it takes to maintain that bitch of a project. Something as simple as figuring out what packages LibreOffice bundles and making the ebuild use the system one instead is a mammoth task. Don't forget that every little tweak is 2 hours of building just to test if it builds. Then one has to test if it works I'm not surprised the OOo and LibreOffice ebuilds take the easy route - figure out by enabling everything the maximum amount of free space OOo ould possibly need to build, then insist the build host has at least that much free. Heck, I'd do exactly the same. I read the blogs, and I'm well aware of the difficulties. I suppose I'm pretty used to running my laptop pretty close to the wire space-wise, and so an ebuild asking for 9GiB when it only requires 5GiB would cause me to have to shuffle a lot of things around to no good end. Really though, it would be replacing one (inaccurate, but conservative) estimate with two such estimates. Still, nothing much to stress about.
Re: [gentoo-user] LibreOffice 3.4.4: required HDD space
On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 13:49:07 + James Broadhead jamesbroadh...@gmail.com wrote: On 20 November 2011 20:09, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 18:58:22 + James Broadhead jamesbroadh...@gmail.com wrote: Seeing as the ebuild is 'aware' of CFLAGS and USE, it would be nice if it would use that information (roughly) to determine how much space to check for. 4-9GiB is a pretty wide range. A slight mis-measurement on how much space a specific setup needs results in a failed build, or a build that won't start or any amount of other craziness. Read the maintainer's blog sometime (it's on the gentoo.org frontpage) to get a sense of what it takes to maintain that bitch of a project. Something as simple as figuring out what packages LibreOffice bundles and making the ebuild use the system one instead is a mammoth task. Don't forget that every little tweak is 2 hours of building just to test if it builds. Then one has to test if it works I'm not surprised the OOo and LibreOffice ebuilds take the easy route - figure out by enabling everything the maximum amount of free space OOo ould possibly need to build, then insist the build host has at least that much free. Heck, I'd do exactly the same. I read the blogs, and I'm well aware of the difficulties. I suppose I'm pretty used to running my laptop pretty close to the wire space-wise, and so an ebuild asking for 9GiB when it only requires 5GiB would cause me to have to shuffle a lot of things around to no good end. Really though, it would be replacing one (inaccurate, but conservative) estimate with two such estimates. Where are you getting your information from? 9G is what the dev reckons is the maximum. This other figure of 4G - what is that? The amount needed by some arb combination on some arb user's machine? That's not a good enough criteria. It's not really the maximum plus one well-defined other. It's is the maximum plus every other possible combination (there is no defined minimal). If it's an issue for you, the solution is simple - keep a copy of the ebuild in your local overlay and edit the space requirements. Keep it up to date and in-sync with the ebuild in the main tree. It means you get to a little extra work, but is preferable to the dev doing a lot of extra work Still, nothing much to stress about. -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] LibreOffice 3.4.4: required HDD space
Alan McKinnon wrote: 9G is what the dev reckons is the maximum. This other figure of 4G - what is that? The amount needed by some arb combination on some arb user's machine? That's not a good enough criteria. It's not really the maximum plus one well-defined other. It's is the maximum plus every other possible combination (there is no defined minimal). If it's an issue for you, the solution is simple - keep a copy of the ebuild in your local overlay and edit the space requirements. Keep it up to date and in-sync with the ebuild in the main tree. It means you get to a little extra work, but is preferable to the dev doing a lot of extra work With a compile that takes as long as LOo does, I'd want the dev to be on the side of caution rather than underestimating it. If the max is 9Gbs, then that is what they should check for. I would much rather the dev do that than for me to get to about 90% of the compile done then get the little message that it is out of space. I wouldn't be hal mad but it would sort of tick me off a bit. ;-) Maybe not as bad as /usr on init or using a init thingy either. Still a bit upset tho. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
[gentoo-user] LibreOffice 3.4.4: required HDD space
Hello! I decided to upgrade LibreOffice this week to the verstion 3.4.4. Before trying to build this package, emerge performed the pre-check of available space on my hard disk - 9GB. I did have this amount of free space on the drive, but I noticed that after about 8 hours of compiling it took only ~4 GB on my HDD. First of all, I thought that it was compiling *really* slowly and that it hadn't even made a half of the job. However, after about a half an hour it finished with success and I noticed that altogether it took about 4.5 GB on HDD. So it checked 9GB (and earlier versions of LO indeed needed almost such amount of free space), but took only as much as 4.5 GB. The question is: why? P.S. Today I tried to install LO v.3.4.4 on the machine with about 6 GB of free space. Emerge performed its regular pre-check and refused to build the package. I changed the CHECKREQS_DISK_BUILD=9G to CHECKREQS_DISK_BUILD=5G in libreoffice-3.4.4.2-r1.ebuild and everything went fine. Regards, Vladimir - v...@ukr.net
Re: [gentoo-user] LibreOffice 3.4.4: required HDD space
20 v...@ukr.net wrote: I decided to upgrade LibreOffice to 3.4.4. Before trying to build it, emerge performed the pre-check of available space on my hard disk - 9GB. I did have this amount of free space on the drive, but I noticed that after about 8 hours of compiling it took only ~4 GB on my HDD. I ran into a similar problem, compounded by the fact that it was checking the wrong HDD directory. The solution was to update to the latest testing version of Portage, when it checked the correct dir, which had enough space. It needed c 3,5 GB ( 3,36 GB near the end, but I missed the peak), which is the usual amount. It took 1 h 56 m with my Core 2 Duo CPU. See Forum thread http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-6864358.html . -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] LibreOffice 3.4.4: required HDD space
Am Sonntag 20 November 2011, 11:09:05 schrieb v...@ukr.net: Hello! I decided to upgrade LibreOffice this week to the verstion 3.4.4. Before trying to build this package, emerge performed the pre-check of available space on my hard disk - 9GB. I did have this amount of free space on the drive, but I noticed that after about 8 hours of compiling it took only ~4 GB on my HDD. First of all, I thought that it was compiling *really* slowly and that it hadn't even made a half of the job. However, after about a half an hour it finished with success and I noticed that altogether it took about 4.5 GB on HDD. So it checked 9GB (and earlier versions of LO indeed needed almost such amount of free space), but took only as much as 4.5 GB. The question is: why? P.S. Today I tried to install LO v.3.4.4 on the machine with about 6 GB of free space. Emerge performed its regular pre-check and refused to build the package. I changed the CHECKREQS_DISK_BUILD=9G to CHECKREQS_DISK_BUILD=5G in libreoffice-3.4.4.2-r1.ebuild and everything went fine. Regards, Vladimir - v...@ukr.net no need to edit ebuilds: I_KNOW_WHAT_I_AM_DOING=yes in make.conf -- #163933
Re: [gentoo-user] LibreOffice 3.4.4: required HDD space
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 4:09 AM, v...@ukr.net wrote: Hello! I decided to upgrade LibreOffice this week to the verstion 3.4.4. Before trying to build this package, emerge performed the pre-check of available space on my hard disk - 9GB. I did have this amount of free space on the drive, but I noticed that after about 8 hours of compiling it took only ~4 GB on my HDD. First of all, I thought that it was compiling *really* slowly and that it hadn't even made a half of the job. However, after about a half an hour it finished with success and I noticed that altogether it took about 4.5 GB on HDD. So it checked 9GB (and earlier versions of LO indeed needed almost such amount of free space), but took only as much as 4.5 GB. The question is: why? I'll venture a guess that it may have approached 9GB either with some short-lived files, or *would* have approached 9GB with a different USE flag or other configuration combination. P.S. Today I tried to install LO v.3.4.4 on the machine with about 6 GB of free space. Emerge performed its regular pre-check and refused to build the package. I changed the CHECKREQS_DISK_BUILD=9G to CHECKREQS_DISK_BUILD=5G in libreoffice-3.4.4.2-r1.ebuild and everything went fine. Ok, then I'll narrow my guess to the size required being dependent on USE flag combinations. -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] LibreOffice 3.4.4: required HDD space
I_KNOW_WHAT_I_AM_DOING=yes in make.conf This feature makes me smile.
Re: [gentoo-user] LibreOffice 3.4.4: required HDD space
On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 09:07:33 -0500, Michael Mol wrote: Ok, then I'll narrow my guess to the size required being dependent on USE flag combinations. Also CFLAGS and architecture, to a lesser extent. -- Neil Bothwick Indecision is the key to flexibility. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] LibreOffice 3.4.4: required HDD space
On 20 November 2011 18:32, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 09:07:33 -0500, Michael Mol wrote: Ok, then I'll narrow my guess to the size required being dependent on USE flag combinations. Also CFLAGS and architecture, to a lesser extent. Seeing as the ebuild is 'aware' of CFLAGS and USE, it would be nice if it would use that information (roughly) to determine how much space to check for. 4-9GiB is a pretty wide range.
Re: [gentoo-user] LibreOffice 3.4.4: required HDD space
Hello! On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 09:07:33 -0500 Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: I'll venture a guess that it may have approached 9GB either with some short-lived files, or *would* have approached 9GB with a different USE flag or other configuration combination. ... Ok, then I'll narrow my guess to the size required being dependent on USE flag combinations. Yes, I thought so too, but I use the same set of USE flags for quite a long time, and previous versions of LO really needed the stated amount of free space. At least, more than 6 GB. And the last version (3.4.4) not only needs about a half of the stated space, it needs *less* space than the previous versions. It may mean that the newer version is *substantially* reworked though, which is very good. :) Regards, Vladimir - v...@ukr.net
Re: [gentoo-user] LibreOffice 3.4.4: required HDD space
On Nov 20, 2011 2:04 PM, James Broadhead jamesbroadh...@gmail.com wrote: On 20 November 2011 18:32, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 09:07:33 -0500, Michael Mol wrote: Ok, then I'll narrow my guess to the size required being dependent on USE flag combinations. Also CFLAGS and architecture, to a lesser extent. Seeing as the ebuild is 'aware' of CFLAGS and USE, it would be nice if it would use that information (roughly) to determine how much space to check for. 4-9GiB is a pretty wide range. Imractical; you'd have a count of possible sizes increase geometrically with the number of USE flags, and it's not going to be something so simple as this adds N MB, this adds M MB...
Re: [gentoo-user] LibreOffice 3.4.4: required HDD space
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 2:07 PM, v...@ukr.net wrote: Hello! On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 09:07:33 -0500 Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: I'll venture a guess that it may have approached 9GB either with some short-lived files, or *would* have approached 9GB with a different USE flag or other configuration combination. ... Ok, then I'll narrow my guess to the size required being dependent on USE flag combinations. Yes, I thought so too, but I use the same set of USE flags for quite a long time, and previous versions of LO really needed the stated amount of free space. At least, more than 6 GB. And the last version (3.4.4) not only needs about a half of the stated space, it needs *less* space than the previous versions. It may mean that the newer version is *substantially* reworked though, which is very good. :) I forget the name of the tool that predicts compile times based on package sets and USE flags. Perhaps it could be expanded to collect data and predict disk requirements? It'd almost require stracing the compile process tree or FAMing the build directory tree, though; polling with 'du' might miss a peak usage point. (And would certainly slow things down) -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] LibreOffice 3.4.4: required HDD space
James Broadhead wrote: On 20 November 2011 18:32, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk mailto:n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 09:07:33 -0500, Michael Mol wrote: Ok, then I'll narrow my guess to the size required being dependent on USE flag combinations. Also CFLAGS and architecture, to a lesser extent. Seeing as the ebuild is 'aware' of CFLAGS and USE, it would be nice if it would use that information (roughly) to determine how much space to check for. 4-9GiB is a pretty wide range. Then people will complain that it takes to long for emerge to figure out how much space each combination of USE flags will need, if there is even a way to do it. I doubt there is a way to do that unless some dev wants to spend the time compiling each combination and test it. The funny thing is, my partition runs out of space on /var so I have to mount portage's work directory on tmpfs to have the space to compile LOo. lol Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] LibreOffice 3.4.4: required HDD space
On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 18:58:22 + James Broadhead jamesbroadh...@gmail.com wrote: On 20 November 2011 18:32, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 09:07:33 -0500, Michael Mol wrote: Ok, then I'll narrow my guess to the size required being dependent on USE flag combinations. Also CFLAGS and architecture, to a lesser extent. Seeing as the ebuild is 'aware' of CFLAGS and USE, it would be nice if it would use that information (roughly) to determine how much space to check for. 4-9GiB is a pretty wide range. If the maintainer implemented that, he'd be promptly inundated with all manner of support question none of which he can answer accurately. A slight mis-measurement on how much space a specific setup needs results in a failed build, or a build that won't start or any amount of other craziness. Read the maintainer's blog sometime (it's on the gentoo.org frontpage) to get a sense of what it takes to maintain that bitch of a project. Something as simple as figuring out what packages LibreOffice bundles and making the ebuild use the system one instead is a mammoth task. Don't forget that every little tweak is 2 hours of building just to test if it builds. Then one has to test if it works I'm not surprised the OOo and LibreOffice ebuilds take the easy route - figure out by enabling everything the maximum amount of free space OOo ould possibly need to build, then insist the build host has at least that much free. Heck, I'd do exactly the same. -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
