Re: [gentoo-user] Modules autoloading?
On Fri, Apr 28, 2006 at 02:05:09PM -0700, Penguin Lover Richard Fish squawked: On 4/28/06, Willie Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any clue as to where I can turn off this behaviour? I checked the config files for udev and /etc/conf.d/rc, and I don't see anything obvious. The modules are loaded when /lib/rcscripts/addons/udev-start.sh runs udevtrigger, which goes through /sys looking for unhandled 'uevents'. As part of this handling, it tries to load modules for any hardware that is attached. AFAICT, at this point you have to remove the devices from /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.alias to prevent udev from loading them. But if I understand this correctly, isn't modules.alias generated by depmod? And isn't module dependencies calculated during boot? So would the file not be regenerated on the next reboot? W -- He stood up straight and looked the world squarely in the fields and hills. To add weight to his words he stuck the rabbit bone in his hair. He spread his arms out wide. `I will go mad!' he announced. - Arthur discovering a way of coping with life on Prehistoric Earth. Sortir en Pantoufles: up 167 days, 23:14 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Modules autoloading?
On Saturday 29 April 2006 7:39 am, Willie Wong wrote: Dear all, I performed a massive update on my laptop last night, and started observing the following behaviour on boot. A message would pop-up saying to the effect that udev is processing kernel events and then proceeds to load a bunch of kernel modules which I didn't specify for loading in /etc/modules.autoload.d In autoload, I only specified 'bcm570x' for my NIC, but after the updates, the computer would automatically load the 'ipw2200' module for wireless and 'radeon_fb' (which I was playing with for a while but have decided not to use). Any clue as to where I can turn off this behaviour? I checked the config files for udev and /etc/conf.d/rc, and I don't see anything obvious. You could try rebuilding the kernel without those modules... althoug why is the kernel loading them anyway if the hardware isnt there -- Look, just gimme some inner peace, or I'll mop the floor with ya! -- Homer Simpson El Viaje Misterioso de Nuestro Homer pgpRrNai1uEhq.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Modules autoloading?
On 29/04/06, Glenn Enright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 29 April 2006 7:39 am, Willie Wong wrote: Dear all, [snip] Any clue as to where I can turn off this behaviour? I checked the config files for udev and /etc/conf.d/rc, and I don't see anything obvious. You could try rebuilding the kernel without those modules... althoug why is the kernel loading them anyway if the hardware isnt there Or, you could recompile your kernel (leaving all these modules selected) but in menuconfig untick: Loadable module support --- Automatic kernel module loading -- Regards, Mick -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Modules autoloading?
On 4/28/06, Willie Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AFAICT, at this point you have to remove the devices from /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.alias to prevent udev from loading them. But if I understand this correctly, isn't modules.alias generated by depmod? And isn't module dependencies calculated during boot? The file will be regenerated by depmod, which _may_ be run at boot when /etc/init.d/modules is run by /sbin/rc. The init script runs modules-update, which will run depmod if /etc/modprobe.conf is newer than /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.dep. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Modules autoloading?
On 4/29/06, Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or, you could recompile your kernel (leaving all these modules selected) but in menuconfig untick: Loadable module support --- Automatic kernel module loading I don't believe this will work. This is specifically for when the kernel recognizes that it needs some module, for example a compression or net filter module. It doesn't affect user space. The problem in this case is that udevtrigger is determining which module to load and is loading it. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Modules autoloading?
On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 08:34:38AM +, Penguin Lover Mick squawked: You could try rebuilding the kernel without those modules... althoug why is the kernel loading them anyway if the hardware isnt there Or, you could recompile your kernel (leaving all these modules selected) but in menuconfig untick: Loadable module support --- Automatic kernel module loading Both good suggestions. But: 1) I do need the modules in some cases (I would like to use wireless sometimes...) 2) This behaviour wasn't there before. The kernel was not something that I updated recently. I was wondering what was changed in udev/baselayout/etc. that is making this behaviour. Thanks, Willie -- To err is human, to moo bovine. Sortir en Pantoufles: up 168 days, 9:35 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Modules autoloading?
On Fri, Apr 28, 2006 at 02:05:09PM -0700, Penguin Lover Richard Fish squawked:
AFAICT, at this point you have to remove the devices from
/lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.alias to prevent udev from loading
them.
Just tried that, and doesn't work. The modules are still loaded.
I tried commenting out the line in /etc/udev/rules.d/50-udev.rules
which looks like it might have something to do with autoloading.
'SYSFS{modlaias}==?*, ACTION==add, RUN+=/sbin/modprobe $env{MODALIAS}'
and it doesn't help either.
Any other thoughts?
W
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Re: [gentoo-user] Modules autoloading?
On Fri, Apr 28, 2006 at 03:39:02PM -0400, Penguin Lover Willie Wong squawked: A message would pop-up saying to the effect that udev is processing kernel events and then proceeds to load a bunch of kernel modules which I didn't specify for loading in /etc/modules.autoload.d Any clue as to where I can turn off this behaviour? I checked the config files for udev and /etc/conf.d/rc, and I don't see anything obvious. I downgraded to the stable udev-087 as a work around. I compared the files provided by udev-090 and udev-087, in particular, the file /etc/udev/rules.d/50-udev.rules For the 090 version, there's an extra section dealing with Modules autoloading compared to the 087 version, which I suspect it is what was causing me the trouble. Thanks again W -- M: Hey, do that again! Make the computer beep... W: As you wish! M: ah~~ ah~~... hum, that beep was a G. W: how can you tell? (turn around) oh... no fair... a tuner Sortir en Pantoufles: up 168 days, 10:46 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Modules autoloading?
Okay, sorry for the noise. But this would be my last post on this issue. Armed with my new bits of knowledge (udev-087 works but udev-090 doesn't), b.g.o turns up a nice collection of bugs. Of particular interest: 119989 130766 Basically there is a change in behaviour when 089 is introduced so that it has the functionality of automatically probing for modules when it senses a device. The modules loading can be individually disabled through /etc/hotplug/blacklist When 090 is introduced it breaks some interaction with hotplug and now ignores even that blacklist. So for now... downgrade and wait I guess. Thanks, W -- `You know they've reintroduced the death penalty for insurance company directors?' `Really?' said Arthur. `No I didn't. For what offence?' Trillian frowned. `What do you mean, offence?' `I see.' - Evidence that there will be some justice in the Universe eventually. Sortir en Pantoufles: up 168 days, 10:54 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Modules autoloading?
On 4/29/06, Willie Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Apr 28, 2006 at 02:05:09PM -0700, Penguin Lover Richard Fish squawked: AFAICT, at this point you have to remove the devices from /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.alias to prevent udev from loading them. Just tried that, and doesn't work. The modules are still loaded. Oops, sorry, I forgot that you need to remove the entries from modules.pcimap as well. But it sounds like you found a workaround... -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Modules autoloading?
Dear all, I performed a massive update on my laptop last night, and started observing the following behaviour on boot. A message would pop-up saying to the effect that udev is processing kernel events and then proceeds to load a bunch of kernel modules which I didn't specify for loading in /etc/modules.autoload.d In autoload, I only specified 'bcm570x' for my NIC, but after the updates, the computer would automatically load the 'ipw2200' module for wireless and 'radeon_fb' (which I was playing with for a while but have decided not to use). Any clue as to where I can turn off this behaviour? I checked the config files for udev and /etc/conf.d/rc, and I don't see anything obvious. Thanks, Willie -- I always took a cup of tea with me to chemistry class, and I know Dr. Pearshall won't mind, because she is British. ~S Sortir en Pantoufles: up 167 days, 12:01 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Modules autoloading?
On 4/28/06, Willie Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any clue as to where I can turn off this behaviour? I checked the config files for udev and /etc/conf.d/rc, and I don't see anything obvious. The modules are loaded when /lib/rcscripts/addons/udev-start.sh runs udevtrigger, which goes through /sys looking for unhandled 'uevents'. As part of this handling, it tries to load modules for any hardware that is attached. AFAICT, at this point you have to remove the devices from /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.alias to prevent udev from loading them. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
