Re: [gentoo-user] OT: i7-6700, anyone already?
On 12/30/2015 11:16 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: > right now gcc rebuilds itself, some more packages to re-emerge, load at > around 7.5, system usable, audio stream without a hickup. # genlop -t thunderbird * mail-client/thunderbird Mon Jan 4 22:55:49 2016 >>> mail-client/thunderbird-38.5.0 merge time: 10 minutes and 36 seconds. with gcc-5.3.0 and USE="jit" acceptable?
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: i7-6700, anyone already?
On 12/15/2015 03:02 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: > Am 2015-12-13 um 13:05 schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: >> Am 2015-12-13 um 12:50 schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: >>> If I pull the mouse down to the bottom of the screen the desktop snaps >>> into correct place. For the records and ml-archives: a later kernel (I am on git-sources now) solved the problem with Gnome in gentoo. Right now I am at a complete re-emerge (yes, with portage-tmpdir in RAM) to get everything performing well. Ordered plus 8 GB of DDR-RAM just in case ;-) I am still on stable amd64 right now as I would like to have that box rather maintenance-free (or at least "low maintenance"). Would using gcc-5.x make a noticeable difference?
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: i7-6700, anyone already?
On 12/30/2015 08:00 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: > Would using gcc-5.x make a noticeable difference? Well, while you all are preparing to reply ... ;-) ... I simply went for it. unmasked gcc-5.3.0, compiled it, and then recompiled @system and the kernel ("make localmodconfig" to be curious) with it. Booted it, snappy, fine! right now gcc rebuilds itself, some more packages to re-emerge, load at around 7.5, system usable, audio stream without a hickup.
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: i7-6700, anyone already?
Am 2015-12-13 um 13:05 schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: Am 2015-12-13 um 12:50 schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: If I pull the mouse down to the bottom of the screen the desktop snaps into correct place. found this: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7800470.html the module option is now "enable_ips=0" ... but this doesn't work for me so far. And I get occasional hangups with fedora :-( I can't tell if they would happen with gentoo as well as I don't use it that much as long as Gnome doesn't work. shiny new hardware, shiny new problems
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: i7-6700, anyone already?
Am 2015-12-11 um 10:33 schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: > Am 10.12.2015 um 19:52 schrieb waltd...@waltdnes.org: > >>> Do I have to set that variable then (in make.conf?) ? >> >> Yes, you should. While you're at it, you can remove the corresponding >> flags from the USE= variable. I don't know if they're honored by >> portage any longer. I assume you missed the news item back in January. >> It's archived and you can read it at... >> https://www.gentoo.org/support/news-items/2015-01-28-cpu_flags_x86-introduction.html > > thanks for the pointer, did that right now (still on the i7-2600 ... > waiting). > > I didn't have anything like that in USE= anymore, anyway. update: machine is here, all three OSes installed already. Snappy performance, nice ... Right now I am fiddling with getting Gnome installed and running. Fedora needed the kernel option "i915.preliminary_hw_support=1" set (in grub.cfg) to enable the skylake graphics.
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: i7-6700, anyone already?
Am 2015-12-13 um 12:50 schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: > If I pull the mouse down to the bottom of the screen the desktop snaps > into correct place. found this: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7800470.html the module option is now "enable_ips=0" ... but this doesn't work for me so far.
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: i7-6700, anyone already?
Am 2015-12-13 um 11:39 schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: > Right now I am fiddling with getting Gnome installed and running. I have X starting now. gdm as well, but with problems: the mouse somehow pulls a "curtain" up and down ... so the display is not correct. The lower part is one color only so I can't do anything useful yet. And the display seems to be shifted, "Activities" (should be left upper corner) has the on/off and speaker symbols to its left. If I pull the mouse down to the bottom of the screen the desktop snaps into correct place. Strange ;) - Is it possible that stable (in gentoo terms) Xorg does not yet fully support skylake graphics? btw I also placed the firmware from https://01.org/zh/linuxgraphics/intel-linux-graphics-firmwares into /lib/firmware/i915 stefan
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: i7-6700, anyone already?
Am 10.12.2015 um 19:52 schrieb waltd...@waltdnes.org: >> Do I have to set that variable then (in make.conf?) ? > > Yes, you should. While you're at it, you can remove the corresponding > flags from the USE= variable. I don't know if they're honored by > portage any longer. I assume you missed the news item back in January. > It's archived and you can read it at... > https://www.gentoo.org/support/news-items/2015-01-28-cpu_flags_x86-introduction.html thanks for the pointer, did that right now (still on the i7-2600 ... waiting). I didn't have anything like that in USE= anymore, anyway.
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: i7-6700, anyone already?
On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 07:46:51AM +0100, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: > Am 10.12.2015 um 05:50 schrieb waltd...@waltdnes.org: > > > CFLAGS="-O2 -march=native -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -fno-unwind-tables > > -fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables" > > > > That's what I use, except for cross-compiling. For an explanation of > > the "unwind" flags, see thread... > > http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.busybox/36695 from the busybox > > mailing list. And don't forget CPU_FLAGS_X86. Emerge and run > > app-portage/cpuinfo2cpuflags as soon as you can during the install > > process. > […] > did not know that tool, thanks. > Will try on my existing box already. I always wondered why it is not included in the stage3. It is very small and – after all – basically everyone needs it in a new install (except for a re-install for which one can write down the previous installation’s CFLAGS). -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla’ Sometimes the fingers are faster then grammar.
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: i7-6700, anyone already?
On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 07:46:51AM +0100, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote > Am 10.12.2015 um 05:50 schrieb waltd...@waltdnes.org: > > > CFLAGS="-O2 -march=native -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -fno-unwind-tables > > -fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables" > > > > That's what I use, except for cross-compiling. For an explanation of > > the "unwind" flags, see thread... > > http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.busybox/36695 from the busybox > > mailing list. And don't forget CPU_FLAGS_X86. Emerge and run > > app-portage/cpuinfo2cpuflags as soon as you can during the install > > process. I believe that's right after running "eselect profile". And > > then run "emerge system && emerge world". It's a lot quicker when you > > don't have very much installed on the machine. > > did not know that tool, thanks. > Will try on my existing box already. > > Do I have to set that variable then (in make.conf?) ? Yes, you should. While you're at it, you can remove the corresponding flags from the USE= variable. I don't know if they're honored by portage any longer. I assume you missed the news item back in January. It's archived and you can read it at... https://www.gentoo.org/support/news-items/2015-01-28-cpu_flags_x86-introduction.html -- Walter DnesI don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: i7-6700, anyone already?
On 09/12/2015 23:24, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: > Am 2015-12-09 um 21:42 schrieb Alan McKinnon: > >> Did you get an SSD as well? > > sure. I even look for the PCIe variant (just contacted my dealer for > this option ... forgot in the first place). > > I am on SSDs for years now on desktop and laptops. > >> It's one of the biggest performance improvements you can make[1] and to >> be honest is worth more overall than expensive CPUs. >> >> [1] The other huge improvement is another 8G of RAM and make >> /var/tmp/portage a tmpfs with default settings (it will use up to 8G RAM >> on demand). Everything you build will fit, including firefox and libreoffice > > I have that right now, yes. > > The RAM was out of stock there so I ordered the 8g-default and will add > more later. Sounds like you're all set to use that i7 to it's fullest :-) -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: i7-6700, anyone already?
On Wednesday 09 Dec 2015 20:39:30 Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: > Ordered today. Looking forward .. > It will be triple-boot: gentoo, fedora, win10 (as I paid for it) If you bought it in EU you can ask for the cost of Win10 back. There was an case brought in France (against Dell I think) and it was judged that the OEM cannot force the buyer to pay for an OS which they do not wish to buy/use. If you decide to use Win10, you may want to switch off all the malware which now comes as part of the OS: https://fix10.isleaked.com/ -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: i7-6700, anyone already?
Am 2015-12-09 um 21:42 schrieb Alan McKinnon: > Did you get an SSD as well? sure. I even look for the PCIe variant (just contacted my dealer for this option ... forgot in the first place). I am on SSDs for years now on desktop and laptops. > It's one of the biggest performance improvements you can make[1] and to > be honest is worth more overall than expensive CPUs. > > [1] The other huge improvement is another 8G of RAM and make > /var/tmp/portage a tmpfs with default settings (it will use up to 8G RAM > on demand). Everything you build will fit, including firefox and libreoffice I have that right now, yes. The RAM was out of stock there so I ordered the 8g-default and will add more later.
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: i7-6700, anyone already?
Am 2015-12-09 um 22:49 schrieb Alan McKinnon: > Sounds like you're all set to use that i7 to it's fullest :-) most of my work is terminal stuff ... and email the i7-2600 does that as well, if we are honest! I will give the i7-2xxx to someone with a way older CPU ... so it all works out in a way ;-) the i7-6700 should be more snappy in a way. And I think, some fitting CFLAGS will help as well. evolution instead of revolution We will see. I will see ;)
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: i7-6700, anyone already?
Am 2015-12-02 um 23:13 schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: > > I consider buying a new machine for my office in december. > > The intel core-i7-6xxx look interesting to me, although the plain CPU > performance isn't that much better than my plain old i7-2600 when I look > at cpunbenchmark.net > > I assume the overall package makes more difference: DDR4-RAM, etc etc Ordered today. Looking forward .. It will be triple-boot: gentoo, fedora, win10 (as I paid for it) ordered with standard 8 gigs of RAM for a start, more later. right now my box uses 1425 megs with full gnome-3.18 running ... so what ... I assume an optimized kernel will perform quite well on that CPU. Although I am no expecting too much. 5yrs of improvement ? ;)
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: i7-6700, anyone already?
On 09/12/2015 22:39, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: > Am 2015-12-02 um 23:13 schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: >> >> I consider buying a new machine for my office in december. >> >> The intel core-i7-6xxx look interesting to me, although the plain CPU >> performance isn't that much better than my plain old i7-2600 when I look >> at cpunbenchmark.net >> >> I assume the overall package makes more difference: DDR4-RAM, etc etc > > Ordered today. Looking forward .. > It will be triple-boot: gentoo, fedora, win10 (as I paid for it) > > ordered with standard 8 gigs of RAM for a start, more later. > right now my box uses 1425 megs with full gnome-3.18 running ... so what > ... > > I assume an optimized kernel will perform quite well on that CPU. > Although I am no expecting too much. 5yrs of improvement ? ;) Did you get an SSD as well? It's one of the biggest performance improvements you can make[1] and to be honest is worth more overall than expensive CPUs. [1] The other huge improvement is another 8G of RAM and make /var/tmp/portage a tmpfs with default settings (it will use up to 8G RAM on demand). Everything you build will fit, including firefox and libreoffice -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: i7-6700, anyone already?
Am 10.12.2015 um 05:50 schrieb waltd...@waltdnes.org: > CFLAGS="-O2 -march=native -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -fno-unwind-tables > -fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables" > > That's what I use, except for cross-compiling. For an explanation of > the "unwind" flags, see thread... > http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.busybox/36695 from the busybox > mailing list. And don't forget CPU_FLAGS_X86. Emerge and run > app-portage/cpuinfo2cpuflags as soon as you can during the install > process. I believe that's right after running "eselect profile". And > then run "emerge system && emerge world". It's a lot quicker when you > don't have very much installed on the machine. did not know that tool, thanks. Will try on my existing box already. Do I have to set that variable then (in make.conf?) ?
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: i7-6700, anyone already?
On Wed, Dec 09, 2015 at 11:03:23PM +0100, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote > Am 2015-12-09 um 22:49 schrieb Alan McKinnon: > > > Sounds like you're all set to use that i7 to it's fullest :-) > > most of my work is terminal stuff ... and email > > the i7-2600 does that as well, if we are honest! > > I will give the i7-2xxx to someone with a way older CPU ... so it all > works out in a way ;-) > > the i7-6700 should be more snappy in a way. And I think, some fitting > CFLAGS will help as well. You can't get beat... CFLAGS="-O2 -march=native -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -fno-unwind-tables -fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables" That's what I use, except for cross-compiling. For an explanation of the "unwind" flags, see thread... http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.busybox/36695 from the busybox mailing list. And don't forget CPU_FLAGS_X86. Emerge and run app-portage/cpuinfo2cpuflags as soon as you can during the install process. I believe that's right after running "eselect profile". And then run "emerge system && emerge world". It's a lot quicker when you don't have very much installed on the machine. -- Walter DnesI don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: i7-6700, anyone already?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am 09.12.2015 um 23:44 schrieb Mick: > On Wednesday 09 Dec 2015 20:39:30 Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: >> Ordered today. Looking forward .. It will be triple-boot: gentoo, >> fedora, win10 (as I paid for it) > > If you bought it in EU you can ask for the cost of Win10 back. > There was an case brought in France (against Dell I think) and it > was judged that the OEM cannot force the buyer to pay for an OS > which they do not wish to buy/use. interesting, thanks. I don't really need windows, only for some specific tools (Suunto sports watch ... it doesn't dump its data elsewhere). > If you decide to use Win10, you may want to switch off all the > malware which now comes as part of the OS: > > https://fix10.isleaked.com/ Will have a look. I consider moving my existing SSD into the new machine. No more fiddling with all the partitioning and EFI stuff.
[gentoo-user] OT: i7-6700, anyone already?
I consider buying a new machine for my office in december. The intel core-i7-6xxx look interesting to me, although the plain CPU performance isn't that much better than my plain old i7-2600 when I look at cpunbenchmark.net I assume the overall package makes more difference: DDR4-RAM, etc etc Does anyone here already run such a box with gentoo? opinions, experiences, warnings?