[gentoo-user] Re: ATI video card with water cooler
Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gentoo at gmail.com writes: It's not ATI or water cooled, but I got a GeForce 9600 with a giant aftermarket heat sink preinstalled (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814134050), totally passive fanless and silent, for under $100 at the time I bought it. I get steady 200fps at 1600x1200 in Sauerbraten, and FIFA 09 plays nice and smooth in wine. Temperature readings have been consistently low. I don't think water cooling is necessary if you're not doing anything special to torture the card (unless you just want to do it just for the fun of doing it, of course). I've gone the fanless, heat sink route on 2 systems now and have had no problems at all after having 2 video card fans die after less than 1 year each of use. Hmmm, This sounds very interesting. I'm not ready to pony up the hundreds of dollars for retail water cooling systems. So I think now I'm going your route on passive video card cooling to get a reasonable priced 'second-tier' gaming system under gentoo. Beside my target system is only and AMD 4600, but, it has a fan over the CPU, with a schroud that directly exhaused the hot cpu air, directly out the side of the case. Very quite and I got it on a closeout from tiger direct. I do not mind a little noise, just not the high pitch squealing of a fan on a video card... Any techniques, available in Gentoo, to monitor the temperature of and of the new video cards? This newegg pages shows this About the GeForce 9600: Ports HDMI1 via Adapter DVI 2 TV-Out HDTV / S-Video Out Did your card come with the DVI-to-HDMI adapter? So do you know anything about getting HDMI out of the the video card? What does the Adapter look like? HDMI has software based negotiation protocol, so theoretically, you do not have to do all of the gymnastics with xorg.conf to get the highest and best resolution, when you plug the video card into a large screen HDMI equipped LCD monitor/TV that has HDMI inputs. Does the GeForce 9600 auto-negotiate over HDMI? Has anyone experimented with a Gentoo system auto-negotiating resolution from a video card with HDMI output to a LCD TV with HDMI? curiously, James
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ATI video card with water cooler
On Freitag 12 Dezember 2008, James wrote: Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gentoo at gmail.com writes: It's not ATI or water cooled, but I got a GeForce 9600 with a giant aftermarket heat sink preinstalled (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814134050), totally passive fanless and silent, for under $100 at the time I bought it. I get steady 200fps at 1600x1200 in Sauerbraten, and FIFA 09 plays nice and smooth in wine. Temperature readings have been consistently low. I don't think water cooling is necessary if you're not doing anything special to torture the card (unless you just want to do it just for the fun of doing it, of course). I've gone the fanless, heat sink route on 2 systems now and have had no problems at all after having 2 video card fans die after less than 1 year each of use. Hmmm, This sounds very interesting. I'm not ready to pony up the hundreds of dollars for retail water cooling systems. So I think now I'm going your route on passive video card cooling to get a reasonable priced 'second-tier' gaming system under gentoo. Beside my target system is only and AMD 4600, but, it has a fan over the CPU, with a schroud that directly exhaused the hot cpu air, directly out the side of the case. Very quite and I got it on a closeout from tiger direct. I do not mind a little noise, just not the high pitch squealing of a fan on a video card... Any techniques, available in Gentoo, to monitor the temperature of and of the new video cards? with nvidia: nvidia-settings with ati: aticonfig --odgt
[gentoo-user] Re: ATI video card with water cooler
Volker Armin Hemmann volker.armin.hemmann at tu-clausthal.de writes: Any techniques, available in Gentoo, to monitor the temperature of and of the new video cards? with ati: aticonfig --odgt I have this installed: x11-drivers/ati-drivers Installed versions: 8.552-r2 So I get: fglrxinfo display: :0.0 screen: 0 OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc. OpenGL renderer string: Radeon X1900 Series OpenGL version string: 2.1.8201 Release aticonfig --lsa * 0. 01:00.0 Radeon X1900 Series * - Default adapter aticonfig --odgt ERROR - Get temperature failed for the Default Adapter - Radeon X1900 Series So my guess is I missed something in the kernel config? James
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ATI video card with water cooler
On Freitag 12 Dezember 2008, James wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann volker.armin.hemmann at tu-clausthal.de writes: Any techniques, available in Gentoo, to monitor the temperature of and of the new video cards? with ati: aticonfig --odgt I have this installed: x11-drivers/ati-drivers Installed versions: 8.552-r2 So I get: fglrxinfo display: :0.0 screen: 0 OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc. OpenGL renderer string: Radeon X1900 Series OpenGL version string: 2.1.8201 Release aticonfig --lsa * 0. 01:00.0 Radeon X1900 Series * - Default adapter aticonfig --odgt ERROR - Get temperature failed for the Default Adapter - Radeon X1900 Series So my guess is I missed something in the kernel config? no, that has nothing to do with the kernel. Maybe you need to turn on overdrive first. Try aticonfig --od-enable and then --odgc
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ATI video card with water cooler
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:00 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann volker.armin.hemm...@tu-clausthal.de wrote: On Freitag 12 Dezember 2008, James wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann volker.armin.hemmann at tu-clausthal.de writes: Any techniques, available in Gentoo, to monitor the temperature of and of the new video cards? with ati: aticonfig --odgt I have this installed: x11-drivers/ati-drivers Installed versions: 8.552-r2 So I get: fglrxinfo display: :0.0 screen: 0 OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc. OpenGL renderer string: Radeon X1900 Series OpenGL version string: 2.1.8201 Release aticonfig --lsa * 0. 01:00.0 Radeon X1900 Series * - Default adapter aticonfig --odgt ERROR - Get temperature failed for the Default Adapter - Radeon X1900 Series So my guess is I missed something in the kernel config? no, that has nothing to do with the kernel. Maybe you need to turn on overdrive first. Try aticonfig --od-enable and then --odgc And for Nvidia I think you need: Option Coolbits 1 In your Xorg.conf (I think it enables the temperature monitoring and overclocking stuff in nvidia-settings)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ATI video card with water cooler
On Freitag 12 Dezember 2008, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Try aticonfig --od-enable and then --odgc odgt not odgc.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ATI video card with water cooler
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 8:50 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gentoo at gmail.com writes: It's not ATI or water cooled, but I got a GeForce 9600 with a giant aftermarket heat sink preinstalled (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814134050), totally passive fanless and silent, for under $100 at the time I bought it. I get steady 200fps at 1600x1200 in Sauerbraten, and FIFA 09 plays nice and smooth in wine. Temperature readings have been consistently low. I don't think water cooling is necessary if you're not doing anything special to torture the card (unless you just want to do it just for the fun of doing it, of course). I've gone the fanless, heat sink route on 2 systems now and have had no problems at all after having 2 video card fans die after less than 1 year each of use. Hmmm, This sounds very interesting. I'm not ready to pony up the hundreds of dollars for retail water cooling systems. So I think now I'm going your route on passive video card cooling to get a reasonable priced 'second-tier' gaming system under gentoo. Beside my target system is only and AMD 4600, but, it has a fan over the CPU, with a schroud that directly exhaused the hot cpu air, directly out the side of the case. Very quite and I got it on a closeout from tiger direct. I do not mind a little noise, just not the high pitch squealing of a fan on a video card... Any techniques, available in Gentoo, to monitor the temperature of and of the new video cards? This newegg pages shows this About the GeForce 9600: Ports HDMI1 via Adapter DVI 2 TV-Out HDTV / S-Video Out Did your card come with the DVI-to-HDMI adapter? So do you know anything about getting HDMI out of the the video card? What does the Adapter look like? HDMI has software based negotiation protocol, so theoretically, you do not have to do all of the gymnastics with xorg.conf to get the highest and best resolution, when you plug the video card into a large screen HDMI equipped LCD monitor/TV that has HDMI inputs. Does the GeForce 9600 auto-negotiate over HDMI? Hi, I've never tried the HDMI, so I can't say how it behaves, but yeah it came with a DVI to HDMI dongle thing. As far as I know the video signal in HDMI and DVI are identical, and that HDMI is basically like DVI with sound. I could be wrong about that though. One thing to beware of with this particular card is that it is HUGE, both in length and the big Arctic Cooling heat sink causes it to be very tall. I have an enormous thermaltake armour case and it was still a tight squeeze. If your case is less than 9 inches wide I don't know if it would fit.
[gentoo-user] Re: ATI video card with water cooler
Volker Armin Hemmann volker.armin.hemmann at tu-clausthal.de writes: no, that has nothing to do with the kernel. Maybe you need to turn on overdrive first. Try aticonfig --od-enable and then --odgc aticonfig --od-enable ATI Overdrive(TM) enabled aticonfig --odgc ERROR - Get clocks failed for the Default Adapter - Radeon X1900 Series I never used aticonfig before. It only runs from a user's shell. Root cannot run it? aticonfig --odgc bash: aticonfig: command not found James
[gentoo-user] Re: ATI video card with water cooler
Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gentoo at gmail.com writes: I've never tried the HDMI, so I can't say how it behaves, but yeah it came with a DVI to HDMI dongle thing. As far as I know the video signal in HDMI and DVI are identical, and that HDMI is basically like DVI with sound. I could be wrong about that though. Electrically DVI-D and HDMI are compatible, with converter (your dongle). HDMI does run software based protocols that dvi do not have the capability to run/understand. That why you need and HDMI output on the video card directly to get into auto negotiated protocols between HDMI devices. This is all not to be confused with Intel's evil HDCP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDCP This is one aspect of why I never purchase anything from Intel. Evil, Evil Evil... One thing to beware of with this particular card is that it is HUGE, both in length and the big Arctic Cooling heat sink causes it to be very tall. I have an enormous thermaltake armour case and it was still a tight squeeze. If your case is less than 9 inches wide I don't know if it would fit. My case is 7 wide. Nice to know. I did find a passively cool 8500GT but I'm not sure it will be sufficient for gaming: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ item-details.asp?EdpNo=4283330CatId=1826 How would I know if this will work very well with bzflag (that the game my kids are hooked on...)? James
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ATI video card with water cooler
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:59 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gentoo at gmail.com writes: I've never tried the HDMI, so I can't say how it behaves, but yeah it came with a DVI to HDMI dongle thing. As far as I know the video signal in HDMI and DVI are identical, and that HDMI is basically like DVI with sound. I could be wrong about that though. Electrically DVI-D and HDMI are compatible, with converter (your dongle). HDMI does run software based protocols that dvi do not have the capability to run/understand. That why you need and HDMI output on the video card directly to get into auto negotiated protocols between HDMI devices. This is all not to be confused with Intel's evil HDCP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDCP This is one aspect of why I never purchase anything from Intel. Evil, Evil Evil... One thing to beware of with this particular card is that it is HUGE, both in length and the big Arctic Cooling heat sink causes it to be very tall. I have an enormous thermaltake armour case and it was still a tight squeeze. If your case is less than 9 inches wide I don't know if it would fit. My case is 7 wide. Nice to know. I did find a passively cool 8500GT but I'm not sure it will be sufficient for gaming: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ item-details.asp?EdpNo=4283330CatId=1826 How would I know if this will work very well with bzflag (that the game my kids are hooked on...)? My previous card was an 8500GT in fact, and other than the fan dying and causing the card to melt, it was fine.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ATI video card with water cooler
On Freitag 12 Dezember 2008, James wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann volker.armin.hemmann at tu-clausthal.de writes: no, that has nothing to do with the kernel. Maybe you need to turn on overdrive first. Try aticonfig --od-enable and then --odgc aticonfig --od-enable ATI Overdrive(TM) enabled aticonfig --odgc ERROR - Get clocks failed for the Default Adapter - Radeon X1900 Series that was a type --odgt. aticonfig --help has lots of usefull info. I never used aticonfig before. It only runs from a user's shell. Root cannot run it? aticonfig --odgc bash: aticonfig: command not found well, aticonfig is in /opt. opt may not be in your root's path.
[gentoo-user] Re: ATI video card with water cooler
Volker Armin Hemmann volker.armin.hemmann at tu-clausthal.de writes: aticonfig --odgc ERROR - Get clocks failed for the Default Adapter - Radeon X1900 Series that was a type --odgt. aticonfig --help has lots of usefull info. yep typo aticonfig --odgt ERROR - Get temperature failed for the Default Adapter - Radeon X1900 Series I never used aticonfig before. It only runs from a user's shell. Root cannot run it? aticonfig --odgc bash: aticonfig: command not found well, aticonfig is in /opt. opt may not be in your root's path. yep fixed(found) that but same result as root: /opt/bin/aticonfig --odgt ERROR - Get temperature failed for the Default Adapter - Radeon X1900 Series Maybe this R580 chipset based video card is not supported on monitoring the temp.? It is several years old. James
[gentoo-user] Re: ATI video card with water cooler
James wrote: I've been looking for an ATI graphics card with a water cooling system built in. I'm very tired of listen to the roar of a video card fan. I believe Sapphire has those under the label WaterCooled. HD3870X2 and HD4870 I think. Google for Sapphire WaterCooled.
