Re: [gentoo-user] Setting up fetchmail to feed postfix
On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 00:39:18 +, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > Thank you Matt. That did the trick, and I now have fetchmail > > working. > > I do so wish this list wouldn't go silent for several days just after > I've made a change to my email process. This isn't the first time, > either. Damn! He's rumbled us. -- Neil Bothwick "When you play a Microsoft CD backwards you can hear demonic Voices... that's nothing - when you play it forward it installs Windows" pgptzCIjCMNu6.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Setting up fetchmail to feed postfix
On 30 November 2017 01:39:18 GMT+01:00, Peter Humphreywrote: >On Monday, 27 November 2017 13:44:15 GMT Peter Humphrey wrote: >> On Friday, 24 November 2017 18:10:21 GMT Matthias Hanft wrote: >> > Peter Humphrey wrote: >> > > The ebuild installs /etc/init.d/fetchmail and >/etc/conf.d/fetchmail, >> > > so >> > > it seems to expect me to run as a daemon. But then there's no >sample >> > > fetchmailrc, which surprises me. >> > >> > A simple example line from my /etc/fetchmailrc is: >> > >> > poll pop.mail.server.example.com proto pop3 >> > >> > user "your.username@there", with password "secret", is >> > >> > "your.username@here" here, ssl; >> > >> > That's all... >> >> Thank you Matt. That did the trick, and I now have fetchmail working. > >I do so wish this list wouldn't go silent for several days just after >I've >made a change to my email process. This isn't the first time, either. > >;-( If you want an active list to test your mailsetup with, subscribe to the LKML :) -- Joost -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [gentoo-user] Setting up fetchmail to feed postfix
On Monday, 27 November 2017 13:44:15 GMT Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Friday, 24 November 2017 18:10:21 GMT Matthias Hanft wrote: > > Peter Humphrey wrote: > > > The ebuild installs /etc/init.d/fetchmail and /etc/conf.d/fetchmail, > > > so > > > it seems to expect me to run as a daemon. But then there's no sample > > > fetchmailrc, which surprises me. > > > > A simple example line from my /etc/fetchmailrc is: > > > > poll pop.mail.server.example.com proto pop3 > > > > user "your.username@there", with password "secret", is > > > > "your.username@here" here, ssl; > > > > That's all... > > Thank you Matt. That did the trick, and I now have fetchmail working. I do so wish this list wouldn't go silent for several days just after I've made a change to my email process. This isn't the first time, either. ;-( -- Regards, Peter.
Re: [gentoo-user] Setting up fetchmail to feed postfix
On 27.11.17 14:44, Peter Humphrey wrote: > Do I really need to do that on this small, low-volume network? What do > I lose by letting postfix and fetchmail write files for dovecot to read? It is very easy to configure Postfix to use an LMTP socket provided by Dovecot (paths match typical installations, adapt if necessary): # /etc/dovecot/conf.d/10-master.conf service lmtp { unix_listener /var/spool/postfix/private/dovecot-lmtp { user = postfix group = postfix mode = 0660 } } # /etc/postfix/main.cf mailbox_transport = lmtp:unix:private/dovecot-lmtp These few lines save you from all the potential hassle that sharing read/write access to the same files could bring. Dovecot will ensure that indexes are up to date when mail is delivered, and that alone is reason enough for me. I think the mail store belongs to the IMAP server, and neither the MTA nor MUA should access that store directly via the file system, but use protocols like LMTP and IMAP to communicate with Dovecot instead. Standard separation of responsibilities, easier to maintain. -Ralph
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On Friday, 24 November 2017 18:10:21 GMT Matthias Hanft wrote: > Peter Humphrey wrote: > > The ebuild installs /etc/init.d/fetchmail and /etc/conf.d/fetchmail, so > > it seems to expect me to run as a daemon. But then there's no sample > > fetchmailrc, which surprises me. > > A simple example line from my /etc/fetchmailrc is: > > poll pop.mail.server.example.com proto pop3 > user "your.username@there", with password "secret", is > "your.username@here" here, ssl; > > That's all... Thank you Matt. That did the trick, and I now have fetchmail working. -- Regards, Peter.
Re: [gentoo-user] Setting up fetchmail to feed postfix
On Friday, 24 November 2017 17:52:36 GMT Ralph Seichter wrote: > As the OP is using Postfix to feed data to Dovecot, I strongly suggest > configuring Dovecot's LMTP as a mailbox transport instead of having > Postfix write directly to the file system. Do I really need to do that on this small, low-volume network? What do I lose by letting postfix and fetchmail write files for dovecot to read? -- Regards, Peter.
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Yes, I have an IMAP account provided by GMail. On 11/26/2017 12:58 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 26/11/2017 04:30, Peter Humphrey wrote: >> On Saturday, 25 November 2017 16:20:46 GMT Jalus Bilieyich wrote: >>> As an everyday user of KMail, I am completely happy with using it. I >>> don't see any flaws with it. Maybe it's just me or...? Is there a reason >>> behind the hostile glare towards KMail? >> >> Do you have POP3 or IMAP-4 accounts? >> >> It used to be like that for me too, but not for a long time now. I get >> duplicate messages, which are a known problem and easily worked around, but >> the latest version of KMail whinges about more than one candidate for >> display and just gives up. Then I have to stop KMail, start akonadiconsole >> and use it to delete the akonadi cache of the affected folder, restart >> akonadi and (when the debug messages quieten down) restart KMail and click >> on the same folder. Then it rebuilds the threads and stores them neatly away >> in MySQL. >> >> This happens several times a day, sometimes even more than once in the same >> folder. I don't know why I should be affected more than anyone else, but I >> do seem to be. It reminds me of Dale and his struggles a few years ago with >> ... what was it again, Dale? >> > > it was the init thingy, and before that it was HAL >
Re: [gentoo-user] Setting up fetchmail to feed postfix
On Sunday, 26 November 2017 10:22:26 GMT J. Roeleveld wrote: > I use kmail a lot on my desktop and laptop and have not noticed that in a > very long time. It has actually been quite stable. I use it on 3 different boxen. Two of them in daily usage have frequent problems of dups and random resync's downloading tonnes of headers and data from Gmail. > I do use IMAP (cyrus) and akonadi is configured to use a postgresql database > which is not running as embedded under my own user. (Postgresql is > configured as a proper RDBMS using it's own user) On one box I set it up exactly like you have, following your advice - thanks again. On the other two I've let the default MySQL setup to do the akonadi dance. > I wonder of part of the issues most people are seeing is because of the > default of using mysql embedded? > > -- > Joost No I wouldn't think so. Most of the problems I have observed here are related to Gmail and how Kmail interacts with it. In particular sending/deleting emails seems to create problems which lead to duplicates in Sent folder and/or resyncs. The problems appear to take place when the connection to the server is down. If I leave kmail running and return to the box an hour later it is most likely that when I click on Inbox, or any other Gmail folder, the connection to the server will hang and eventually time out. I have seen reports mentioning similar problems by other Kmail users, waiting/hoping for a fix. I have not experienced such problems with other mail servers, or at least they are not as noticeable of frequent. Also, there is a latency/delay between receiving/sending an email and akonadi doing its thing with indexing, storing, etc. I know others think a database back end was the best thing KDEPIM could have come up with, but here it has been an unmitigated disaster, causing endless hours of troubleshooting and head scratching. The latest thing sent to test my patience has been the address book(s) no longer show any addresses. Also, the drop down menu for Edit, View and Tools in the same, are empty, while File, Settings and Help are thankfully still working. :-/ I have refused to waste any more time trying to troubleshoot this problem. Unfortunately, I have found every other email client interface I have tried less satisfactory and I keep returning to Kmail. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Setting up fetchmail to feed postfix
On Sunday, 26 November 2017 10:00:40 GMT Ralph Seichter wrote: > On 26.11.2017 03:30, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > I get duplicate messages, which are a known problem and easily worked > > around, but the latest version of KMail whinges about more than one > > candidate for display and just gives up. > > For debugging purposes it might help you to know that you actually sent > the message I am currently quoting twice, according to the header data. > Message #1: > > Received: from [82.69.80.10] (helo=peak.localnet) > by smarthost03d.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtps > (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA256:256) (Exim 4.80) > (envelope-from) > id 1eImhw-IJ-SK > for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Sun, 26 Nov 2017 02:30:12 + > > Message #2: > > Received: from [82.69.80.10] (helo=peak.localnet) > by smarthost03a.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtps > (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA256:256) (Exim 4.80) > (envelope-from ) > id 1eImhw-0002XH-8v > for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Sun, 26 Nov 2017 02:30:12 + > > Note the different host names and different IDs, these are two distinct > emails sent by you. Indeed. Thanks for the info. It looks as though KMail did that; at least, I can't imagine how finger trouble could have done it, even at 02:30. I have only the one outgoing mail account set up in KMail, and that's directly to my ISP, so my fetchmail fiddling isn't implicated. I haven't heard of KMail duplicating /outgoing/ emails before, though. Maybe I did do something stupid - it wouldn't be the first time. I'll have to keep an eye on this one, and I hope someone will tell me if it happens again. -- Regards, Peter.
Re: [gentoo-user] Setting up fetchmail to feed postfix
On Sunday, 26 November 2017 06:58:06 GMT Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 26/11/2017 04:30, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > On Saturday, 25 November 2017 16:20:46 GMT Jalus Bilieyich wrote: > >> As an everyday user of KMail, I am completely happy with using it. I > >> don't see any flaws with it. Maybe it's just me or...? Is there a > >> reason > >> behind the hostile glare towards KMail? > > > > Do you have POP3 or IMAP-4 accounts? > > > > It used to be like that for me too, but not for a long time now. I get > > duplicate messages, which are a known problem and easily worked around, > > but the latest version of KMail whinges about more than one candidate > > for display and just gives up. Then I have to stop KMail, start > > akonadiconsole and use it to delete the akonadi cache of the affected > > folder, restart akonadi and (when the debug messages quieten down) > > restart KMail and click on the same folder. Then it rebuilds the > > threads and stores them neatly away in MySQL. > > > > This happens several times a day, sometimes even more than once in the > > same folder. I don't know why I should be affected more than anyone > > else, but I do seem to be. It reminds me of Dale and his struggles a > > few years ago with ... what was it again, Dale? > > it was the init thingy, and before that it was HAL HAL, yes, that's what I was thinking of. -- Regards, Peter.
Re: [gentoo-user] Setting up fetchmail to feed postfix
On 24 November 2017 18:30:22 GMT+01:00, Rich Freemanwrote: >On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 11:16 AM, Ralph Seichter > wrote: >> On 24.11.17 16:39, Peter Humphrey wrote: >> >>> I'm trying an evasion, which is to use fetchmail to retrieve emails >>> from my ISP and deliver them to postfix, which can then serve them >>> via IMAP. >> >> Postfix is an MTA and does neither store email nor lets you access >email >> via IMAP. There must be an IMAP server in your mix somewhere (e.g. >> Dovecot or Courier). >> > >While Postfix certainly won't serve up email via IMAP it definitely >does store email. You are correct that you'd run a separate IMAP >server. They need not be on the same host assuming they can both get >at the maildirs. I would let the mailstore (Cyrus, Dovecot,...) do the actual storing of the email and have the MTA (postfix, sendmail,...) pass it via LMTP or similar. That way any indexes and metadata is handled properly. -- Joost -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
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On 26 November 2017 03:30:11 GMT+01:00, Peter Humphreywrote: >On Saturday, 25 November 2017 16:20:46 GMT Jalus Bilieyich wrote: >> As an everyday user of KMail, I am completely happy with using it. I >> don't see any flaws with it. Maybe it's just me or...? Is there a >reason >> behind the hostile glare towards KMail? > >Do you have POP3 or IMAP-4 accounts? > >It used to be like that for me too, but not for a long time now. I get >duplicate messages, which are a known problem and easily worked around, >but >the latest version of KMail whinges about more than one candidate for >display and just gives up. Then I have to stop KMail, start >akonadiconsole >and use it to delete the akonadi cache of the affected folder, restart >akonadi and (when the debug messages quieten down) restart KMail and >click >on the same folder. Then it rebuilds the threads and stores them neatly >away >in MySQL. > >This happens several times a day, sometimes even more than once in the >same >folder. I don't know why I should be affected more than anyone else, >but I >do seem to be. It reminds me of Dale and his struggles a few years ago >with >... what was it again, Dale? Interesting, I use kmail a lot on my desktop and laptop and have not noticed that in a very long time. It has actually been quite stable. I do use IMAP (cyrus) and akonadi is configured to use a postgresql database which is not running as embedded under my own user. (Postgresql is configured as a proper RDBMS using it's own user) I wonder of part of the issues most people are seeing is because of the default of using mysql embedded? -- Joost -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [gentoo-user] Setting up fetchmail to feed postfix
On 26.11.2017 03:30, Peter Humphrey wrote: > I get duplicate messages, which are a known problem and easily worked > around, but the latest version of KMail whinges about more than one > candidate for display and just gives up. For debugging purposes it might help you to know that you actually sent the message I am currently quoting twice, according to the header data. Message #1: Received: from [82.69.80.10] (helo=peak.localnet) by smarthost03d.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA256:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from) id 1eImhw-IJ-SK for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Sun, 26 Nov 2017 02:30:12 + Message #2: Received: from [82.69.80.10] (helo=peak.localnet) by smarthost03a.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA256:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1eImhw-0002XH-8v for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Sun, 26 Nov 2017 02:30:12 + Note the different host names and different IDs, these are two distinct emails sent by you. -Ralph
Re: [gentoo-user] Setting up fetchmail to feed postfix
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 02:30:11 +, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > As an everyday user of KMail, I am completely happy with using it. I > > don't see any flaws with it. Maybe it's just me or...? Is there a > > reason behind the hostile glare towards KMail? > > Do you have POP3 or IMAP-4 accounts? > > It used to be like that for me too, but not for a long time now. I get > duplicate messages, And, so it seems, do we ;-) -- Neil Bothwick "A computer is like an Old Testament god, with a lot of rules and no mercy." \xA0-- Joseph Campbell pgpU4WmGZE6kS.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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N c'est c Cwx Envoyé depuis mon smartphone Samsung Galaxy.xxww Message d'origine De : Peter Humphrey <pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk> Date : 26/11/2017 03:30 (GMT+01:00) À : gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Objet : Re: [gentoo-user] Setting up fetchmail to feed postfix On Saturday, 25 November 2017 16:20:46 GMT Jalus Bilieyich wrote: > As an everyday user of KMail, I am completely happy with using it. I > don't see any flaws with it. Maybe it's just me or...? Is there a reason > behind the hostile glare towards KMail? Do you have POP3 or IMAP-4 accounts? It used to be like that for me too, but not for a long time now. I get duplicate messages, which are a known problem and easily worked around, but the latest version of KMail whinges about more than one candidate for display and just gives up. Then I have to stop KMail, start akonadiconsole and use it to delete the akonadi cache of the affected folder, restart akonadi and (when the debug messages quieten down) restart KMail and click on the same folder. Then it rebuilds the threads and stores them neatly away in MySQL. This happens several times a day, sometimes even more than once in the same folder. I don't know why I should be affected more than anyone else, but I do seem to be. It reminds me of Dale and his struggles a few years ago with ... what was it again, Dale? -- Regards, Peter.
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Envoyé depuis mon smartphone Samsung Galaxy. Message d'origine De : Peter vvHumphrey <pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk> Date : 26/11/2017 03:30 (GMT+01:00) À : gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Objet : Re: [gentoo-user] Setting up fetchmail to feed postfix il On Saturday, 25 November 2017 rSw16:20:46 GMT Jalus Bilieyich wrote: > As an everyday user of KMail, I am completely happy with using it. I > don't see any flaws with it. Maybe it's just me or...? Is there a réason > behind the hostile glare towards KMailhx xfrc? Do you have POP3 or IMAP-4 accounts? It used to be like that for me too, but not for a long time now. I get duplicate messages, which are a known problem and easily worked around, but the wlatesfrrxft version of KMail whinges about more than one candidate for display and just gives up. Then I h w W wwdsrave to stop KMail, wwstart akonadiconsole and use it to delete the akonadi cache of the affected folder, restart akonadi and (when the debug messages quieten down) restart KMail and click on the same folder. Then it rebuilds the threads and stores them neatly away in MySQL. This happens several times a day, sometimes even more than once in the same folder. I don't know why I should be affected more than anyone else, but I do seem to be. It reminds me of Dale and his struggles a few years ago with ... what was it again, Dale? -- Regards, Peter.
Re: [gentoo-user] Setting up fetchmail to feed postfix
On 26/11/2017 04:30, Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Saturday, 25 November 2017 16:20:46 GMT Jalus Bilieyich wrote: >> As an everyday user of KMail, I am completely happy with using it. I >> don't see any flaws with it. Maybe it's just me or...? Is there a reason >> behind the hostile glare towards KMail? > > Do you have POP3 or IMAP-4 accounts? > > It used to be like that for me too, but not for a long time now. I get > duplicate messages, which are a known problem and easily worked around, but > the latest version of KMail whinges about more than one candidate for > display and just gives up. Then I have to stop KMail, start akonadiconsole > and use it to delete the akonadi cache of the affected folder, restart > akonadi and (when the debug messages quieten down) restart KMail and click > on the same folder. Then it rebuilds the threads and stores them neatly away > in MySQL. > > This happens several times a day, sometimes even more than once in the same > folder. I don't know why I should be affected more than anyone else, but I > do seem to be. It reminds me of Dale and his struggles a few years ago with > ... what was it again, Dale? > it was the init thingy, and before that it was HAL -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Setting up fetchmail to feed postfix
On Saturday, 25 November 2017 16:20:46 GMT Jalus Bilieyich wrote: > As an everyday user of KMail, I am completely happy with using it. I > don't see any flaws with it. Maybe it's just me or...? Is there a reason > behind the hostile glare towards KMail? Do you have POP3 or IMAP-4 accounts? It used to be like that for me too, but not for a long time now. I get duplicate messages, which are a known problem and easily worked around, but the latest version of KMail whinges about more than one candidate for display and just gives up. Then I have to stop KMail, start akonadiconsole and use it to delete the akonadi cache of the affected folder, restart akonadi and (when the debug messages quieten down) restart KMail and click on the same folder. Then it rebuilds the threads and stores them neatly away in MySQL. This happens several times a day, sometimes even more than once in the same folder. I don't know why I should be affected more than anyone else, but I do seem to be. It reminds me of Dale and his struggles a few years ago with ... what was it again, Dale? -- Regards, Peter.
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As an everyday user of KMail, I am completely happy with using it. I don't see any flaws with it. Maybe it's just me or...? Is there a reason behind the hostile glare towards KMail? On 11/25/2017 03:23 AM, Marc Joliet wrote: > Am Samstag, 25. November 2017, 10:04:44 CET schrieb Neil Bothwick: >> On Sat, 25 Nov 2017 09:43:04 +0100, Marc Joliet wrote: Funnily enough, I switched to Claws because I found KMail horrible... >>> >>> I switched from Claws to KMail in part because I hated that checking >>> for emails would block the GUI. Not being able to type because Claws >>> decided to check for emails in the background again became more and >>> more infuriating over time... >> >> That only happens if you enable the setting to open a progress window >> when checking for mails. I use background checking here because that >> would annoy me as much as it did you! > > Huh! I did not know that, thanks. That will be useful to know should I ever > use Claws again :) . > signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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Am Samstag, 25. November 2017, 10:04:44 CET schrieb Neil Bothwick: > On Sat, 25 Nov 2017 09:43:04 +0100, Marc Joliet wrote: > > > Funnily enough, I switched to Claws because I found KMail > > > horrible... > > > > I switched from Claws to KMail in part because I hated that checking > > for emails would block the GUI. Not being able to type because Claws > > decided to check for emails in the background again became more and > > more infuriating over time... > > That only happens if you enable the setting to open a progress window > when checking for mails. I use background checking here because that > would annoy me as much as it did you! Huh! I did not know that, thanks. That will be useful to know should I ever use Claws again :) . -- Marc Joliet -- "People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who know we don't" - Bjarne Stroustrup signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
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On Sat, 25 Nov 2017 09:43:04 +0100, Marc Joliet wrote: > > Funnily enough, I switched to Claws because I found KMail > > horrible... > > I switched from Claws to KMail in part because I hated that checking > for emails would block the GUI. Not being able to type because Claws > decided to check for emails in the background again became more and > more infuriating over time... That only happens if you enable the setting to open a progress window when checking for mails. I use background checking here because that would annoy me as much as it did you! -- Neil Bothwick The trouble with the world is that everybody in it is three drinks behind. pgppD5kGa5HpZ.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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Am Freitag, 24. November 2017, 23:24:45 CET schrieb Neil Bothwick: > On Fri, 24 Nov 2017 15:39:25 +, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > My MUA is KMail-2, which seems to be all right for others using IMAP > > but is very far from robust when fetching POP3 mails. I've tried > > alternatives to it, but none of them suit me - in particular, > > claws-mail is horrible, > > Funnily enough, I switched to Claws because I found KMail horrible... I switched from Claws to KMail in part because I hated that checking for emails would block the GUI. Not being able to type because Claws decided to check for emails in the background again became more and more infuriating over time... (Also, I find that Claws feels... out of place under Plasma.) That said, I like both, for different reasons (other than the apparent global lock, Claws *is* blazingly fast). Greetings -- Marc Joliet -- "People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who know we don't" - Bjarne Stroustrup signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
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On Fri, 24 Nov 2017 15:39:25 +, Peter Humphrey wrote: > My MUA is KMail-2, which seems to be all right for others using IMAP > but is very far from robust when fetching POP3 mails. I've tried > alternatives to it, but none of them suit me - in particular, > claws-mail is horrible, Funnily enough, I switched to Claws because I found KMail horrible... -- Neil Bothwick ... "I dropped my toothpaste," Tom said, Crestfallen. pgp54GPf35Owj.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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Peter Humphrey wrote: > > The ebuild installs /etc/init.d/fetchmail and /etc/conf.d/fetchmail, so it > seems to expect me to run as a daemon. But then there's no sample > fetchmailrc, which surprises me. A simple example line from my /etc/fetchmailrc is: poll pop.mail.server.example.com proto pop3 user "your.username@there", with password "secret", is "your.username@here" here, ssl; That's all... -Matt
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On 24.11.17 18:30, Rich Freeman wrote: > While Postfix certainly won't serve up email via IMAP it definitely > does store email. As an MTA should, Postfix transports email. It can also handle local mail transport (say, in maildirs) and I guess one could call that "storing" mail, but to me that's stretching the term too far. > You are correct that you'd run a separate IMAP server. They need not > be on the same host assuming they can both get at the maildirs. As the OP is using Postfix to feed data to Dovecot, I strongly suggest configuring Dovecot's LMTP as a mailbox transport instead of having Postfix write directly to the file system. -Ralph
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On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 11:16 AM, Ralph Seichterwrote: > On 24.11.17 16:39, Peter Humphrey wrote: > >> I'm trying an evasion, which is to use fetchmail to retrieve emails >> from my ISP and deliver them to postfix, which can then serve them >> via IMAP. > > Postfix is an MTA and does neither store email nor lets you access email > via IMAP. There must be an IMAP server in your mix somewhere (e.g. > Dovecot or Courier). > While Postfix certainly won't serve up email via IMAP it definitely does store email. You are correct that you'd run a separate IMAP server. They need not be on the same host assuming they can both get at the maildirs. -- Rich
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On 24.11.17 17:40, Peter Humphrey wrote: > That's because I don't yet know enough to know what questions to ask; > that's why I hoped I'd be pointed to a general guide or explanation. http://www.fetchmail.info/ is the most obvious starting point, and I assume you have found that one. Fetchmail per se is not Gentoo-specific, so you're better off asking questions on the FM mailing lists should you find the manual and FAQ insufficient. > > If you plan to use a single fetchmail process, ~foo/.fetchmailrc (with > > foo being the user you want to run fetchmail as) usually suffices. > > I assume you mean ~/.fetchmailrc, a file in my home directory, no? You can run fetchmail as the user you are logging in with or as a separate user. I suggest the latter if you want to run fetchmail in daemon mode, for standard privilege separation reasons. I used "foo" as an example. If you want to run fetchmail on demand only, a dedicated user account may be inconvenient, and you did not say which method you are aiming for in your OP. -Ralph
Re: [gentoo-user] Setting up fetchmail to feed postfix
On Friday, 24 November 2017 16:16:15 GMT Ralph Seichter wrote: > On 24.11.17 16:39, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > I'm trying an evasion, which is to use fetchmail to retrieve emails > > from my ISP and deliver them to postfix, which can then serve them > > via IMAP. > > Postfix is an MTA and does neither store email nor lets you access email > via IMAP. There must be an IMAP server in your mix somewhere (e.g. > Dovecot or Courier). Yes, of course. Postfix feeds Dovecot here. > > I still don't know what to add to /etc/ conf.d/fetchmail, nor whether > > I need a ~/.fetchmailrc or an /etc/fetchmailrc file (no sample comes > > with the ebuild). > Your needs depend on what you are trying to achieve, and you have been a > bit vague on the details. That's because I don't yet know enough to know what questions to ask; that's why I hoped I'd be pointed to a general guide or explanation. I thought I was clear enough: I want fetchmail to fetch POP mail and feed it into the local postfix (and of course dovecot) mail system. What else do you need? > If you plan to use a single fetchmail process, > ~foo/.fetchmailrc (with foo being the user you want to run fetchmail as) > usually suffices. I assume you mean ~/.fetchmailrc, a file in my home directory, no? -- Regards, Peter.
Re: [gentoo-user] Setting up fetchmail to feed postfix
On Friday, 24 November 2017 16:08:54 GMT Wols Lists wrote: > On 24/11/17 15:39, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > Is there any guidance on setting up fetchmail on Gentoo to operate in > > this way? I've searched in likely places but the Gentoo docs are long > > out of date and others don't help much, so I still don't know what to > > add to /etc/ conf.d/fetchmail, nor whether I need a ~/.fetchmailrc or > > an /etc/fetchmailrc file (no sample comes with the ebuild). > > If you run fetchmail as a daemon, then you need /etc/fetchmailrc. If you > run it manually yourself, then you need ~/.fetchmailrc The ebuild installs /etc/init.d/fetchmail and /etc/conf.d/fetchmail, so it seems to expect me to run as a daemon. But then there's no sample fetchmailrc, which surprises me. > Read the docu, Which one do you mean? The man page? > ... in particular the bit about whether or not to delete mails from the > server. Set it to NOT delete mails, then you can test it knowing that you > won't lose anything. Good idea - thanks. -- Regards, Peter.
Re: [gentoo-user] Setting up fetchmail to feed postfix
On 24.11.17 16:39, Peter Humphrey wrote: > I'm trying an evasion, which is to use fetchmail to retrieve emails > from my ISP and deliver them to postfix, which can then serve them > via IMAP. Postfix is an MTA and does neither store email nor lets you access email via IMAP. There must be an IMAP server in your mix somewhere (e.g. Dovecot or Courier). > I still don't know what to add to /etc/ conf.d/fetchmail, nor whether > I need a ~/.fetchmailrc or an /etc/fetchmailrc file (no sample comes > with the ebuild). Your needs depend on what you are trying to achieve, and you have been a bit vague on the details. If you plan to use a single fetchmail process, ~foo/.fetchmailrc (with foo being the user you want to run fetchmail as) usually suffices. -Ralph
Re: [gentoo-user] Setting up fetchmail to feed postfix
On 24/11/17 15:39, Peter Humphrey wrote: > Is there any guidance on setting up fetchmail on Gentoo to operate in this > way? I've searched in likely places but the Gentoo docs are long out of date > and others don't help much, so I still don't know what to add to /etc/ > conf.d/fetchmail, nor whether I need a ~/.fetchmailrc or an /etc/fetchmailrc > file (no sample comes with the ebuild). If you run fetchmail as a daemon, then you need /etc/fetchmailrc. If you run it manually yourself, then you need ~/.fetchmailrc Read the docu, in particular the bit about whether or not to delete mails from the server. Set it to NOT delete mails, then you can test it knowing that you won't lose anything. I believe it keeps a log file of what it's downloaded, so for testing purposes you may want to find and delete that. And if you run it with the --verbose option, it'll tell you what it's doing. I generally pipe that through the "tee" command, so I can see whether it's doing what I expect, then I can examine the output in more detail to check. Beyond that, I would say you're doing a right thing. fetchmail is good software. The only reason I'm not using it is MySQL broke, which took out my virtual usernames, which broke postfix and fetchmail delivery :-( And I've never got round to fixing MySQL. Cheers, Wol
[gentoo-user] Setting up fetchmail to feed postfix
Hello list, My MUA is KMail-2, which seems to be all right for others using IMAP but is very far from robust when fetching POP3 mails. I've tried alternatives to it, but none of them suit me - in particular, claws-mail is horrible, requiring a very different mental model just to operate it. Therefore I'm trying an evasion, which is to use fetchmail to retrieve emails from my ISP and deliver them to postfix, which can then serve them via IMAP. I already have postfix working, I think, collecting emails from the LAN, but the fetchmail documentation is confusing and I hesitate to jump straight in for fear of losing emails. Is there any guidance on setting up fetchmail on Gentoo to operate in this way? I've searched in likely places but the Gentoo docs are long out of date and others don't help much, so I still don't know what to add to /etc/ conf.d/fetchmail, nor whether I need a ~/.fetchmailrc or an /etc/fetchmailrc file (no sample comes with the ebuild). What does the panel think? -- Regards, Peter.