Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo box hangs
2006/10/7, b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If you suspect the memory/mobo, try instead to compile some large package. Often this results in random segmentation faults for gcc. Faulty memory should result in crashes and segfaults and erratic behaviour, apart from freezes. I had had some trouble with my machine crashing in idle until I overclocked the CPU a bit. My machine has never crashed since then. I think that it's a hardware problem, but I got successfully rid of it so it doesn't matter anymore to me yet I think that there _MUST_ be something that just can't be right. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo box hangs
On Thursday 05 October 2006 20:22, Dmitry S. Makovey wrote: thanks for sharing. One question I have - did you run memtest86 or something similar at the time? The reason I'm asking - I ran memtest86 on this machine and it showed nothing. I'm not entirely sure how much I can trust memtest. I've run memtest86+ a number of times and no errors were shown. There's a whole thread (either in this ML or in the forums) as to why memtest is not a foolproof test for your *system* as opposed to a memory module. Try to search around and look in Google too, in case you find it. There's alternative tests to memtest involving running some script (if I remember right). As I said, whichever test you run you need to make sure that it exercises your whole memory system (modules, controllers, swap). Good luck. :) PS. My box would also crash in M$Windoze if the page file was being used (e.g. manipulating large sections of text or pictures), but not at the frequency of it crashing under Gentoo with a heavy emerge and updatedb taking place. -- Regards, Mick pgppbEyVJd3gH.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo box hangs
On Friday 06 October 2006 00:58, Mick wrote: I've run memtest86+ a number of times and no errors were shown. There's a whole thread (either in this ML or in the forums) as to why memtest is not a foolproof test for your *system* as opposed to a memory module. Try to search around and look in Google too, in case you find it. There's alternative tests to memtest involving running some script (if I remember right). As I said, whichever test you run you need to make sure that it exercises your whole memory system (modules, controllers, swap). Good luck. :) PS. My box would also crash in M$Windoze if the page file was being used (e.g. manipulating large sections of text or pictures), but not at the frequency of it crashing under Gentoo with a heavy emerge and updatedb taking place. Thanks it helps to know that. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo box hangs
On Friday 06 October 2006 16:25, Dmitry S. Makovey wrote: On Friday 06 October 2006 00:58, Mick wrote: I've run memtest86+ a number of times and no errors were shown. There's a whole thread (either in this ML or in the forums) as to why memtest is not a foolproof test for your *system* as opposed to a memory module. Try to search around and look in Google too, in case you find it. There's alternative tests to memtest involving running some script (if I remember right). As I said, whichever test you run you need to make sure that it exercises your whole memory system (modules, controllers, swap). Good luck. :) PS. My box would also crash in M$Windoze if the page file was being used (e.g. manipulating large sections of text or pictures), but not at the frequency of it crashing under Gentoo with a heavy emerge and updatedb taking place. Thanks it helps to know that. OK, I googled for this and found the script that I was talking about: http://people.redhat.com/dledford/memtest.html HTH. -- Regards, Mick pgpno8l1ofV3u.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo box hangs
My 2e-2 euro: a relatively frequent freeze of the machine can also mean a going-to-fail power supply. It was for my machine in at least two cases. If you have a good power supply to do the experiment, try. It's a cause more often than not. It is expecially true if the logs say nothing and you just see the machine hang after some hours/days. If you suspect the memory/mobo, try instead to compile some large package. Often this results in random segmentation faults for gcc. Faulty memory should result in crashes and segfaults and erratic behaviour, apart from freezes. These are of course no foolproof fingerprints, just hints... M. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo box hangs
On Wednesday 04 October 2006 18:24, Mick wrote: On Wednesday 04 October 2006 21:01, Dmitry S. Makovey wrote: To eliminate KDE problem I tried to run fluxbox with Firefox xterm - same results - hard freeze. Did anybody see something similar or at least some educated guesses are welcome. Last time I experienced something like this was on a desktop which had incompatible memory modules fitted. Trial and error resulted in me removing all but one module and the crashes miraculously stopped! Knoppix alone would not cause any crashes whatsoever, but as soon as updatedb and an emerge were to take place simultaneously, the system would crash. In particular, it would usually crash when the memory of the modules was about to be exhausted and the system was going to start writing on the swap partition. It wouldn't happen every single time, but towards the end it was happening every time I booted the darn thing up. thanks for sharing. One question I have - did you run memtest86 or something similar at the time? The reason I'm asking - I ran memtest86 on this machine and it showed nothing. I'm not entirely sure how much I can trust memtest. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] gentoo box hangs
I've got a problem that makes me think it's a HW problem but I'm trying to cover all bases. Here's what happened: Last monday I did my regular emerge --sync emerge -uDN world all nice and dandy. After that, according to my log files anyway, I did not install a thing. I never rebooted my machine since, except that I think on Thursday it hung up on me so I rebooted it - that's when it started to freeze up on me randomly every now and then. At first given all the facts I thought it was HW problem. Right now I'm running Knoppix off the same machine and it didn't freeze up on me even once. That makes me thing it's an OS issue. To eliminate OS I did emerge -e system yet still system freezes up. I can do emerge -e world but I doubt it's going to help. To eliminate KDE problem I tried to run fluxbox with Firefox xterm - same results - hard freeze. Did anybody see something similar or at least some educated guesses are welcome. Oh, by the way - it's a laptop - IBM X31, the rest is: Portage 2.1.1 (default-linux/x86/2006.1/desktop, gcc-4.1.1, glibc-2.4-r3, 2.6.17 i686) = System uname: 2.6.17 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1600MHz Gentoo Base System version 1.12.5 Last Sync: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 21:30:01 + distcc 2.18.3 i686-pc-linux-gnu (protocols 1 and 2) (default port 3632) [disabled] app-admin/eselect-compiler: [Not Present] dev-java/java-config: 1.2.11-r1 dev-lang/python: 2.3.5-r3, 2.4.3-r4 dev-python/pycrypto: 2.0.1-r5 dev-util/ccache: [Not Present] dev-util/confcache: [Not Present] sys-apps/sandbox:1.2.17 sys-devel/autoconf: 2.13, 2.59-r7 sys-devel/automake: 1.4_p6, 1.5, 1.6.3, 1.7.9-r1, 1.8.5-r3, 1.9.6-r2 sys-devel/binutils: 2.16.1-r3 sys-devel/gcc-config: 1.3.13-r4 sys-devel/libtool: 1.5.22 virtual/os-headers: 2.6.17-r1 ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=x86 AUTOCLEAN=yes CBUILD=i686-pc-linux-gnu CFLAGS=-O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -march=pentium4 -mfpmath=sse -mmmx -msse -msse2 CHOST=i686-pc-linux-gnu CONFIG_PROTECT=/etc /usr/kde/3.5/env /usr/kde/3.5/share/config /usr/kde/3.5/shutdown /usr/share/X11/xkb /usr/share/config /usr/share/texmf/dvipdfm/config/ /usr/share/texmf/dvips/config/ /usr/share/texmf/tex/generic/config/ /usr/share/texmf/tex/platex/config/ /usr/share/texmf/xdvi/ CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK=/etc/env.d /etc/gconf /etc/revdep-rebuild /etc/splash /etc/terminfo CXXFLAGS=-O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -march=pentium4 -mfpmath=sse -mmmx -msse -msse2 DISTDIR=/usr/portage/distfiles FEATURES=autoconfig buildpkg collision-protect distlocks metadata-transfer sandbox sfperms strict userpriv usersandbox GENTOO_MIRRORS=http://mirror.gentoo.gr.jp http://gentoo.gg3.net/ http://ftp.gentoo.or.kr/ http://mymirror.asiaosc.org/gentoo/ http://gentoo.channelx.biz/ http://gentoo.kems.net; LANG=C LC_ALL=en_US.utf8 LINGUAS=en MAKEOPTS=-j1 PKGDIR=/usr/portage/packages PORTAGE_RSYNC_OPTS=--recursive --links --safe-links --perms --times --compress --force --whole-file --delete --delete-after --stats --timeout=180 --exclude='/distfiles' --exclude='/local' --exclude='/packages' PORTAGE_TMPDIR=/var/tmp PORTDIR=/usr/portage PORTDIR_OVERLAY=/usr/local/portage SYNC=rsync://rsync.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage USE=x86 X Xaw3d acpi acpi4linux alsa arts artworkextra audiofile authdaemond avantgo ba-completion bcmath berkdb bindist bitmap-fonts bluetooth bootsplash cairo caps cdparanoia cdr chroot cli codecs crypt css cups dbus divx4linux djvu dlloader dnd doc dri dv dvb dvd dvdr dvdread elibc_glibc emboss encode esd exif fam fbcon fbdev ffmpeg firefox flac font-server fortran gamma gdbm gif gimp gimpprint glep glgd gpm graphviz gs gstreamer gtk hal iconv icq idea ieee1394 imagekits imagemagick imap imlib2 innodb input_devices_evdev input_devices_keyboard input_devices_mouse ipv6 irda irmc isdnlog j2ee jabber jpeg jpeg2k kde kernel_linux koffice-plugin ldap libg++ libgd linguas_en live lynxkeymap lzo lzw lzw-tiff mad madwifi mikmod mime mimencode ming mmx mmx2 mng monkey mozcalendar mozdevelop mozsha1 mozsvg mozxmlterm mp3 mpeg mplayer msn ncurses netbeans nls nojython nptl nptlonly oci8 ogg opengl opens oracle7 orathreads oscar oss pam pcmcia pcre pda pdf pdfkit perl png pnp postgresql ppds pppd python qt3 qt4 quicktime radeon readline reflection samba sdl serial session skey smartcard smime sndfile snmp speedo speex spell spl sse sse2 ssl tcpd tga threads tidy transcode truetype truetype-fonts type1 type1-fonts udev unicode userland_GNU vcd video_cards_radeon video_cards_vesa video_cards_vga videos vidix vim vim-with-x vorbis webdav win32codecs xanim xinerama xml xml2 xmlrpc xorg xosd xpm xscreensaver xv xvid xvmc yahoo zeo zlib Unset: CTARGET, EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS, INSTALL_MASK, LDFLAGS, PORTAGE_RSYNC_EXTRA_OPTS -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo box hangs
On Wednesday 04 October 2006 21:01, Dmitry S. Makovey wrote: To eliminate KDE problem I tried to run fluxbox with Firefox xterm - same results - hard freeze. Did anybody see something similar or at least some educated guesses are welcome. Last time I experienced something like this was on a desktop which had incompatible memory modules fitted. Trial and error resulted in me removing all but one module and the crashes miraculously stopped! Knoppix alone would not cause any crashes whatsoever, but as soon as updatedb and an emerge were to take place simultaneously, the system would crash. In particular, it would usually crash when the memory of the modules was about to be exhausted and the system was going to start writing on the swap partition. It wouldn't happen every single time, but towards the end it was happening every time I booted the darn thing up. I hope this helps. -- Regards, Mick pgp7Bmuya7j0X.pgp Description: PGP signature
