Re: [gentoo-user] revisit bouncing messages from this list

[Neil Bothwick]

On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 12:44:32 -0500, Dale wrote:

> > I've done that, and I'll look again, but I don't recall seeing what I
> > need.  What that help message does have is a command for requesting
> > the list server to resend a message based on message number.  That
> > fails for me, as the resend bounces for the same reason the original
> > bounced, even if I don't know exactly what that was.  I've tried it
> > numerous times, and have never received the requested resend.  I need
> > a way to find the message through the web interface of the list
> > archives - but that works by message-id, not message number, thus  my
> > need to translate.
> >
> >  
> 
> In the past I've tried following the instructions, used to be on the
> Gentoo site somewhere, and I've never got it to work.  I literally copy
> and pasted the info and it has never sent the missing messages or a
> error message.  If you do get it to work, I'd love to know how you did
> it. 

It has generally worked for me, but after all that trouble, I get a
message that I have already read because a responder quoted it in its
entirety :-O


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Neil Bothwick

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Re: [gentoo-user] revisit bouncing messages from this list

[Dale]

Jack wrote:
> On 2021.09.19 13:18, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>> On Sat, 18 Sep 2021 18:00:35 -0400, Jack wrote:
>>
>> > I reread most of two threads about this from 2018 and 2019, and there
>> > was a post that seemed to imply there was a way to translate the
>> > message number (196927 was the latest from this list for me) to a URL
>> > to see the message in the list archives at gentoo.org.  Does such a
>> > translation actually exist, and can someone point me to it?
>>
>> AFAIR you send a mail to the help address in the headers of any
>> message from the list and the list server will return a list of
>> commands,
>> including the one you need.
> I've done that, and I'll look again, but I don't recall seeing what I
> need.  What that help message does have is a command for requesting
> the list server to resend a message based on message number.  That
> fails for me, as the resend bounces for the same reason the original
> bounced, even if I don't know exactly what that was.  I've tried it
> numerous times, and have never received the requested resend.  I need
> a way to find the message through the web interface of the list
> archives - but that works by message-id, not message number, thus  my
> need to translate.
>
>

In the past I've tried following the instructions, used to be on the
Gentoo site somewhere, and I've never got it to work.  I literally copy
and pasted the info and it has never sent the missing messages or a
error message.  If you do get it to work, I'd love to know how you did it. 

If I were you, I wouldn't hold my breath getting this to work.  Unless
something has changed since I tried it, it is a lost cause. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] revisit bouncing messages from this list

[Jack]

On 2021.09.19 13:18, Neil Bothwick wrote:

On Sat, 18 Sep 2021 18:00:35 -0400, Jack wrote:

> I reread most of two threads about this from 2018 and 2019, and  
there

> was a post that seemed to imply there was a way to translate the
> message number (196927 was the latest from this list for me) to a  
URL

> to see the message in the list archives at gentoo.org.  Does such a
> translation actually exist, and can someone point me to it?

AFAIR you send a mail to the help address in the headers of any
message from the list and the list server will return a list of  
commands,

including the one you need.
I've done that, and I'll look again, but I don't recall seeing what I  
need.  What that help message does have is a command for requesting the  
list server to resend a message based on message number.  That fails  
for me, as the resend bounces for the same reason the original bounced,  
even if I don't know exactly what that was.  I've tried it numerous  
times, and have never received the requested resend.  I need a way to  
find the message through the web interface of the list archives - but  
that works by message-id, not message number, thus  my need to  
translate.

Re: [gentoo-user] revisit bouncing messages from this list

[Neil Bothwick]

On Sat, 18 Sep 2021 18:00:35 -0400, Jack wrote:

> I reread most of two threads about this from 2018 and 2019, and there  
> was a post that seemed to imply there was a way to translate the  
> message number (196927 was the latest from this list for me) to a URL  
> to see the message in the list archives at gentoo.org.  Does such a  
> translation actually exist, and can someone point me to it?

AFAIR you send a mail to the help address in the headers of any
message from the list and the list server will return a list of commands,
including the one you need.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

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Re: [gentoo-user] revisit bouncing messages from this list

[Jack]

On 9/19/21 05:08, tastytea wrote:

On 2021-09-18 18:00-0400 Jack  wrote:

I reread most of two threads about this from 2018 and 2019, and there
was a post that seemed to imply there was a way to translate the
message number (196927 was the latest from this list for me) to a URL
to see the message in the list archives at gentoo.org.  Does such a
translation actually exist, and can someone point me to it?

You can search the message with marc.info, the syntax is
, for your e-mail it would be
.

Or you could use a web search machine and search for
site:archives.gentoo.org "RNSQBYSM.LJDOAC3M.UQQ2ORSM@3SFUADZQ.IVSRWZWW.352VGHH4"

Kind regards, tastytea
Thanks but that doesn't help me.  I have 196927 available as a message 
number.  How do I go from that to the message-id like 
RNSQBYSM.LJDOAC3M.UQQ2ORSM@3SFUADZQ.IVSRWZWW.352VGHH4?  (The number is 
for a message that bounced, the id is for the message I sent.)  I know I 
could find that id in the headers, but I don't have the headers since I 
never received the message.

Re: [gentoo-user] revisit bouncing messages from this list

[tastytea]

On 2021-09-18 18:00-0400 Jack  wrote:

> I reread most of two threads about this from 2018 and 2019, and there
> was a post that seemed to imply there was a way to translate the  
> message number (196927 was the latest from this list for me) to a URL
> to see the message in the list archives at gentoo.org.  Does such a  
> translation actually exist, and can someone point me to it?

You can search the message with marc.info, the syntax is
, for your e-mail it would be
.

Or you could use a web search machine and search for
site:archives.gentoo.org "RNSQBYSM.LJDOAC3M.UQQ2ORSM@3SFUADZQ.IVSRWZWW.352VGHH4"

Kind regards, tastytea

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[gentoo-user] revisit bouncing messages from this list

[Jack]

I continue to get the occasional message from gentoo-user+owner that  
messages to me have bounced, but since I am receiving that message,  
things are OK again.  Unfortunately, if I request a re-send of the  
bounced message (it is usually just one) it never arrives, and  
sometimes results in another message about a bounce.  My assumption at  
this point is that the bounce is most likely due to DMARC and related  
rules on the sender's email server and something in the list rewriting  
(or not) some of the headers before forwarding it on to me.  Of course  
with no way of knowing who sent the message, I can't begin to confirm  
that premise, or just see the message, which is what I'd like to do.


I reread most of two threads about this from 2018 and 2019, and there  
was a post that seemed to imply there was a way to translate the  
message number (196927 was the latest from this list for me) to a URL  
to see the message in the list archives at gentoo.org.  Does such a  
translation actually exist, and can someone point me to it?


Thanks.

Jack