Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Being Facebook member: How to anon?

[Róbert Čerňanský]

On Tue, 24 Oct 2017 07:35:35 -0400
Todd Goodman  wrote:

> On 10/23/2017 10:46 PM, tu...@posteo.de wrote:
> >  
>  Hi Robert,
> 
>  oh YEAH!
>  Thanks a lot for that quick start!
> 
>  I didi it, but...  
>  #>eix -I docker  
>  [I] app-emulation/docker
>   Available versions:  17.03.2^si (~)17.06.2^si (~)17.09.0^si
>  **^si {apparmor aufs btrfs +container-init +device-mapper
>  hardened overlay pkcs11 seccomp} Installed versions:
>  17.09.0^si(05:48:14 PM 10/23/2017)(container-init device-mapper
>  seccomp -apparmor -aufs -btrfs -hardened -overlay -pkcs11)
>  Homepage:https://dockerproject.org
>  Description: The core functions you need to create
>  Docker images and run Docker containers
> 
>  [I] app-emulation/docker-proxy
>   Available versions:  0.8.0_p2016 (~)0.8.0_p20170917^t
>  ** Installed versions:  0.8.0_p20170917^t(05:46:10 PM
>  10/23/2017) Homepage:
>  https://github.com/docker/libnetwork Description: Docker
>  container networking
> 
>  [I] app-emulation/docker-runc
>   Available versions:  1.0.0_rc2_p20170308^t
>  (~)1.0.0_rc3_p20170706^t (~)1.0.0_rc4_p20170917^t {+ambient
>  apparmor hardened +seccomp} Installed versions:
>  1.0.0_rc4_p20170917^t(05:46:07 PM 10/23/2017)(ambient seccomp
>  -apparmor -hardened) Homepage:http://runc.io
>  Description: runc container cli tools (docker fork)
> 
>   
>  #>groups  
>  wheel mail uucp audio cdrom video games cdrw usb users docker
>  wireshark vboxusers vlock realtime ^^
> 
>  (as root)  
>  #>/etc/init.d/docker start  
>   * WARNING: docker has already been started
>  (so it is runnig)
> 
>  (as user again)  
>  #>docker run --name firefox -e DISPLAY=$DISPLAY
>  --device /dev/snd -v /tmp/.X11-unix:/tmp/.X11-unix -v
>  $XAUTHORITY:/tmp/.host_Xauthority:ro -dti openhs/firefox-ubuntu
>  docker: Cannot connect to the Docker daemon at
>  unix:///var/run/docker.sock. Is the docker daemon running?. See
>  'docker run --help'. [1]10401 exit 125   docker run --name
>  firefox -e DISPLAY=$DISPLAY --device /dev/snd -v  -v  -dti 
> 
>  H...seems I missed something...
> 
>  Cheers
>  Meino
> 
> 
> 
>   
> >>> Found this in dmesg
> >>>
> >>> [ 1587.391861] device-mapper: table: 254:0: thin-pool: unknown
> >>> target type [ 1587.391863] device-mapper: ioctl: error adding
> >>> target to table
> >>>
> >>> these two lines are added when I try to start /etc/ini.d/docker
> >>> as root.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers
> >>> Meino
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  
> >> I could this problem by defining 
> >>
> >> CONFIG_DM_THIN_PROVISIONING=y
> >>
> >> in the kernel, recompile it and the message disappears.
> >> BUT:
> >> still docker does not start...
> >>
> >> How can I fix that?
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Meino
> >>
> >>  
> > Next fix:
> > Need to activate the complete cgroup features.
> >
> > Now I get this error message in /var/log/docker.log
> >
> > time="2017-10-24T04:42:39.358339658+02:00" level=info msg="Loading
> > containers: start." time="2017-10-24T04:42:39.869600530+02:00"
> > level=error msg="could not get initial namespace: no such file or
> > directory" time="2017-10-24T04:42:39.884438663+02:00" level=error
> > msg="failed to set to initial namespace,
> > readlink /proc/4588/task/4588/ns/net: no such file or directory,
> > initns fd -1: bad file descriptor"
> > time="2017-10-24T04:42:39.885161875+02:00" level=info msg="Default
> > bridge (docker0) is assigned with an IP address 172.17.0.0/16.
> > Daemon option --bip can be used to set a preferred IP address"
> > time="2017-10-24T04:42:39.885339857+02:00" level=error msg="failed
> > to set to initial namespace, readlink /proc/4588/task/4588/ns/net:
> > no such file or directory, initns fd -1: bad file descriptor" Error
> > starting daemon: Error initializing network controller: Error
> > creating default "bridge" network: Failed to program NAT chain:
> > Failed to inject DOCKER in PREROUTING chain: iptables failed:
> > iptables --wait -t nat -A PREROUTING -m addrtype --dst-type LOCAL
> > -j DOCKER: iptables: No chain/target/match by that name.
> >
> > ...and now I really did not know how to hack further...
> >
> > Any help is very appreciated...
> >
> > Cheers
> > Meino
> >  
> 
> You might need CONFIG_NF_NAT_IPV4 configured in your kernel to get the
> NAT table for iptables (-t nat)

The emerge should print/log which kernel options you do not have and
should have enabled if I am not mistaken.  Docker uses some advanced
kernel features.  I forgot to mention to check the kernel config in
my quick start, sorry.

Robert


-- 
Róbert Čerňanský
E-mail: ope...@tightmail.com
Jabber: h...@jabber.sk

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Being Facebook member: How to anon?

[Todd Goodman]

On 10/23/2017 10:46 PM, tu...@posteo.de wrote:
>
 Hi Robert,

 oh YEAH!
 Thanks a lot for that quick start!

 I didi it, but...
 #>eix -I docker
 [I] app-emulation/docker
  Available versions:  17.03.2^si (~)17.06.2^si (~)17.09.0^si **^si 
 {apparmor aufs btrfs +container-init +device-mapper hardened overlay 
 pkcs11 seccomp}
  Installed versions:  17.09.0^si(05:48:14 PM 
 10/23/2017)(container-init device-mapper seccomp -apparmor -aufs -btrfs 
 -hardened -overlay -pkcs11)
  Homepage:https://dockerproject.org
  Description: The core functions you need to create Docker 
 images and run Docker containers

 [I] app-emulation/docker-proxy
  Available versions:  0.8.0_p2016 (~)0.8.0_p20170917^t **
  Installed versions:  0.8.0_p20170917^t(05:46:10 PM 10/23/2017)
  Homepage:https://github.com/docker/libnetwork
  Description: Docker container networking

 [I] app-emulation/docker-runc
  Available versions:  1.0.0_rc2_p20170308^t (~)1.0.0_rc3_p20170706^t 
 (~)1.0.0_rc4_p20170917^t {+ambient apparmor hardened +seccomp}
  Installed versions:  1.0.0_rc4_p20170917^t(05:46:07 PM 
 10/23/2017)(ambient seccomp -apparmor -hardened)
  Homepage:http://runc.io
  Description: runc container cli tools (docker fork)


 #>groups
 wheel mail uucp audio cdrom video games cdrw usb users docker wireshark 
 vboxusers vlock realtime
^^

 (as root)
 #>/etc/init.d/docker start
  * WARNING: docker has already been started
 (so it is runnig)

 (as user again)
 #>docker run --name firefox -e DISPLAY=$DISPLAY --device /dev/snd -v 
 /tmp/.X11-unix:/tmp/.X11-unix -v $XAUTHORITY:/tmp/.host_Xauthority:ro -dti 
 openhs/firefox-ubuntu

 docker: Cannot connect to the Docker daemon at 
 unix:///var/run/docker.sock. Is the docker daemon running?.
 See 'docker run --help'.
 [1]10401 exit 125   docker run --name firefox -e DISPLAY=$DISPLAY 
 --device /dev/snd -v  -v  -dti 

 H...seems I missed something...

 Cheers
 Meino




>>> Found this in dmesg
>>>
>>> [ 1587.391861] device-mapper: table: 254:0: thin-pool: unknown target type
>>> [ 1587.391863] device-mapper: ioctl: error adding target to table
>>>
>>> these two lines are added when I try to start /etc/ini.d/docker as root.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Meino
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I could this problem by defining 
>>
>> CONFIG_DM_THIN_PROVISIONING=y
>>
>> in the kernel, recompile it and the message disappears.
>> BUT:
>> still docker does not start...
>>
>> How can I fix that?
>>
>> Cheers
>> Meino
>>
>>
> Next fix:
> Need to activate the complete cgroup features.
>
> Now I get this error message in /var/log/docker.log
>
> time="2017-10-24T04:42:39.358339658+02:00" level=info msg="Loading 
> containers: start." 
> time="2017-10-24T04:42:39.869600530+02:00" level=error msg="could not get 
> initial namespace: no such file or directory" 
> time="2017-10-24T04:42:39.884438663+02:00" level=error msg="failed to set to 
> initial namespace, readlink /proc/4588/task/4588/ns/net: no such file or 
> directory, initns fd -1: bad file descriptor" 
> time="2017-10-24T04:42:39.885161875+02:00" level=info msg="Default bridge 
> (docker0) is assigned with an IP address 172.17.0.0/16. Daemon option --bip 
> can be used to set a preferred IP address" 
> time="2017-10-24T04:42:39.885339857+02:00" level=error msg="failed to set to 
> initial namespace, readlink /proc/4588/task/4588/ns/net: no such file or 
> directory, initns fd -1: bad file descriptor" 
> Error starting daemon: Error initializing network controller: Error creating 
> default "bridge" network: Failed to program NAT chain: Failed to inject 
> DOCKER in PREROUTING chain: iptables failed: iptables --wait -t nat -A 
> PREROUTING -m addrtype --dst-type LOCAL -j DOCKER: iptables: No 
> chain/target/match by that name.
>
> ...and now I really did not know how to hack further...
>
> Any help is very appreciated...
>
> Cheers
> Meino
>

You might need CONFIG_NF_NAT_IPV4 configured in your kernel to get the
NAT table for iptables (-t nat)

Todd

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Being Facebook member: How to anon?

[tuxic]

On 10/24 03:57, Kent Fredric wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 10:50:01 +0200
> tu...@posteo.de wrote:
> 
> > My question is:
> > Are there ways (and which ones) to become member of facebook
> > just to read and write to this user grout (like a mailinglist)
> > and keep the impact on privacy an personal fingerprinting as
> > small as ever possible?
> 
> It should be pointed out that anonymity, and even pseudonymity are
> basically against Facebook terms of service, due to having what they
> call a "Real Names Policy".
> 
> If somebody suspects your Facebook Identity is not representative of a
> real person, they can report the account as a Fake.
> 
> Facebook will then suspend your account until you can prove your
> identity.
> 
> In some cases, Facebook will even challenge certain spellings of your
> real name if they think its "weird", regardless of how much it is your
> legal name.
> 
> None of the features Facebook provides in terms of "Privacy" should be
> considered real privacy either. They're conveniences, because there is
> no real security or privacy on Facebook.
> 
> Regulate everything you send to Facebook at a mental level.
> 
> ( This is mostly just the limitations of the internet and technology in
> general, but it really has to be repeatedly re-stated around Facebook )
> 
> Have fun, and Good luck.

I will using Facebook for being able to post to a certain "mailing list"
(or how is it called in facebook speak). If they will cancel my account...ok...
create a new one...just a practical approach.

Cheers
Meino

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Being Facebook member: How to anon?

[Kent Fredric]

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 10:50:01 +0200
tu...@posteo.de wrote:

> My question is:
> Are there ways (and which ones) to become member of facebook
> just to read and write to this user grout (like a mailinglist)
> and keep the impact on privacy an personal fingerprinting as
> small as ever possible?

It should be pointed out that anonymity, and even pseudonymity are
basically against Facebook terms of service, due to having what they
call a "Real Names Policy".

If somebody suspects your Facebook Identity is not representative of a
real person, they can report the account as a Fake.

Facebook will then suspend your account until you can prove your
identity.

In some cases, Facebook will even challenge certain spellings of your
real name if they think its "weird", regardless of how much it is your
legal name.

None of the features Facebook provides in terms of "Privacy" should be
considered real privacy either. They're conveniences, because there is
no real security or privacy on Facebook.

Regulate everything you send to Facebook at a mental level.

( This is mostly just the limitations of the internet and technology in
general, but it really has to be repeatedly re-stated around Facebook )

Have fun, and Good luck.


pgp0xKT8duZVL.pgp
Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Being Facebook member: How to anon?

[tuxic]

On 10/24 03:58, tu...@posteo.de wrote:
> On 10/24 02:12, tu...@posteo.de wrote:
> > On 10/24 02:04, tu...@posteo.de wrote:
> > > On 10/23 09:33, Róbert Čerňanský wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2017 17:56:40 +0200
> > > > tu...@posteo.de wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > On 10/23 09:56, Stroller wrote:
> > > > > >   
> > > > > > > On 22 Oct 2017, at 16:50, tu...@posteo.de wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > for its invasive nature and its data gathering I really dont like
> > > > > > > facebook. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > And now it seems that I cant with out it:
> > > > > > > There is a HUGE user group for the Creality CR-10 3D printer there
> > > > > > > and veryone and everything is referencing it.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > My question is:
> > > > > > > Are there ways (and which ones) to become member of facebook
> > > > > > > just to read and write to this user grout (like a mailinglist)
> > > > > > > and keep the impact on privacy an personal fingerprinting as
> > > > > > > small as ever possible?  
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I joined Facebook for the first time this week, for similar reasons
> > > > > > as, and with similar reservations to, you.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > When people upload a photo of you, it performs facial recognition
> > > > > > and they can "tag" you as being in the photo. You don't have to
> > > > > > upload a photo of yourself (I'm thinking of trying one in
> > > > > > sunglasses) and in the privacy settings you're also able to forbid
> > > > > > people from tagging you.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > There are quite granular settings to allow anyone but friends to
> > > > > > see or post on your timeline - I was quite impressed by how much
> > > > > > privacy appears to be available to users. I suspect this allows you
> > > > > > more privacy from you family and colleagues than it does from
> > > > > > Facebook, though.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Stroller.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >   
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > > 
> > > > > thanks a lot for all the input...it seems not only my problem which I
> > > > > have with facehook.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I will try th docker-way at first.
> > > > > But: I am a total (in words: "total") newbie when it comes to docker.
> > > > > And as I want "only" to encapsulate my inner self from the faces in
> > > > > that book (and for the first dont need to explore the huge planet of
> > > > > docker)...does one know of a good documentation for that
> > > > > purpose...something like: "Facebook for Dummies: How to use docker
> > > > > for anon access to facebook" ...or something like that ... ;)
> > > > 
> > > > Well, here is very compressed "how to start" (partly from top of my
> > > > head):
> > > > 
> > > > 1. emerge app-emulation/docker and /etc/init.d/docker start
> > > > 2. Add yourself to docker group; re-login
> > > > 3. Choose docker image that you like on hub.docker.com; for example:
> > > > https://hub.docker.com/r/openhs/firefox-ubuntu/ as I have mentioned in
> > > > previous mail.  It's what I've made for myself and published.
> > > > 4. Follow instructions for your chosen image how to run it.  For the
> > > > openhs/firefox-ubuntu image above, the following command should start
> > > > Firefox:
> > > > 
> > > > $ docker run --name firefox -e DISPLAY=$DISPLAY --device /dev/snd \
> > > > -v /tmp/.X11-unix:/tmp/.X11-unix \
> > > > -v $XAUTHORITY:/tmp/.host_Xauthority:ro -dti openhs/firefox-ubuntu
> > > > 
> > > > What it does is: from image openhs/firefox-ubuntu it creates container
> > > > named 'firefox' and starts it.  (The image is downloaded automatically.)
> > > > 
> > > > This long command is needed only for the first time.  Next time you can
> > > > start it with:
> > > > 
> > > > $ docker start firefox
> > > > 
> > > > Some basic docker commands:
> > > > 
> > > > $ docker ps [-a] - lists running containers [or all containers]
> > > > $ docker images - lists images
> > > > $ docker rm [container_name] - removes container
> > > > $ docker rmi [image_name] - removes image
> > > > 
> > > > The official documentation is pretty good:
> > > > https://docs.docker.com/get-started/
> > > > 
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Robert
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > -- 
> > > > Róbert Čerňanský
> > > > E-mail: ope...@tightmail.com
> > > > Jabber: h...@jabber.sk
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Hi Robert,
> > > 
> > > oh YEAH!
> > > Thanks a lot for that quick start!
> > > 
> > > I didi it, but...
> > > #>eix -I docker
> > > [I] app-emulation/docker
> > >  Available versions:  17.03.2^si (~)17.06.2^si (~)17.09.0^si 
> > > **^si {apparmor aufs btrfs +container-init +device-mapper hardened 
> > > overlay pkcs11 seccomp}
> > >  Installed versions:  17.09.0^si(05:48:14 PM 
> > > 10/23/2017)(container-init device-mapper seccomp -apparmor -aufs -btrfs 
> > > -hardened -overlay -pkcs11)
> > >  Homepage:https://dockerproject.org
> > >  Description: The core functions you need to create Docker 
> > > images and run Docker containers
> > > 
> > > [I] 

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Being Facebook member: How to anon?

[tuxic]

On 10/24 02:12, tu...@posteo.de wrote:
> On 10/24 02:04, tu...@posteo.de wrote:
> > On 10/23 09:33, Róbert Čerňanský wrote:
> > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2017 17:56:40 +0200
> > > tu...@posteo.de wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On 10/23 09:56, Stroller wrote:
> > > > >   
> > > > > > On 22 Oct 2017, at 16:50, tu...@posteo.de wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > for its invasive nature and its data gathering I really dont like
> > > > > > facebook. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > And now it seems that I cant with out it:
> > > > > > There is a HUGE user group for the Creality CR-10 3D printer there
> > > > > > and veryone and everything is referencing it.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > My question is:
> > > > > > Are there ways (and which ones) to become member of facebook
> > > > > > just to read and write to this user grout (like a mailinglist)
> > > > > > and keep the impact on privacy an personal fingerprinting as
> > > > > > small as ever possible?  
> > > > > 
> > > > > I joined Facebook for the first time this week, for similar reasons
> > > > > as, and with similar reservations to, you.
> > > > > 
> > > > > When people upload a photo of you, it performs facial recognition
> > > > > and they can "tag" you as being in the photo. You don't have to
> > > > > upload a photo of yourself (I'm thinking of trying one in
> > > > > sunglasses) and in the privacy settings you're also able to forbid
> > > > > people from tagging you.
> > > > > 
> > > > > There are quite granular settings to allow anyone but friends to
> > > > > see or post on your timeline - I was quite impressed by how much
> > > > > privacy appears to be available to users. I suspect this allows you
> > > > > more privacy from you family and colleagues than it does from
> > > > > Facebook, though.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Stroller.
> > > > > 
> > > > >   
> > > > 
> > > > Hi,
> > > > 
> > > > thanks a lot for all the input...it seems not only my problem which I
> > > > have with facehook.
> > > > 
> > > > I will try th docker-way at first.
> > > > But: I am a total (in words: "total") newbie when it comes to docker.
> > > > And as I want "only" to encapsulate my inner self from the faces in
> > > > that book (and for the first dont need to explore the huge planet of
> > > > docker)...does one know of a good documentation for that
> > > > purpose...something like: "Facebook for Dummies: How to use docker
> > > > for anon access to facebook" ...or something like that ... ;)
> > > 
> > > Well, here is very compressed "how to start" (partly from top of my
> > > head):
> > > 
> > > 1. emerge app-emulation/docker and /etc/init.d/docker start
> > > 2. Add yourself to docker group; re-login
> > > 3. Choose docker image that you like on hub.docker.com; for example:
> > > https://hub.docker.com/r/openhs/firefox-ubuntu/ as I have mentioned in
> > > previous mail.  It's what I've made for myself and published.
> > > 4. Follow instructions for your chosen image how to run it.  For the
> > > openhs/firefox-ubuntu image above, the following command should start
> > > Firefox:
> > > 
> > > $ docker run --name firefox -e DISPLAY=$DISPLAY --device /dev/snd \
> > > -v /tmp/.X11-unix:/tmp/.X11-unix \
> > > -v $XAUTHORITY:/tmp/.host_Xauthority:ro -dti openhs/firefox-ubuntu
> > > 
> > > What it does is: from image openhs/firefox-ubuntu it creates container
> > > named 'firefox' and starts it.  (The image is downloaded automatically.)
> > > 
> > > This long command is needed only for the first time.  Next time you can
> > > start it with:
> > > 
> > > $ docker start firefox
> > > 
> > > Some basic docker commands:
> > > 
> > > $ docker ps [-a] - lists running containers [or all containers]
> > > $ docker images - lists images
> > > $ docker rm [container_name] - removes container
> > > $ docker rmi [image_name] - removes image
> > > 
> > > The official documentation is pretty good:
> > > https://docs.docker.com/get-started/
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > Robert
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > Róbert Čerňanský
> > > E-mail: ope...@tightmail.com
> > > Jabber: h...@jabber.sk
> > > 
> > 
> > Hi Robert,
> > 
> > oh YEAH!
> > Thanks a lot for that quick start!
> > 
> > I didi it, but...
> > #>eix -I docker
> > [I] app-emulation/docker
> >  Available versions:  17.03.2^si (~)17.06.2^si (~)17.09.0^si **^si 
> > {apparmor aufs btrfs +container-init +device-mapper hardened overlay pkcs11 
> > seccomp}
> >  Installed versions:  17.09.0^si(05:48:14 PM 10/23/2017)(container-init 
> > device-mapper seccomp -apparmor -aufs -btrfs -hardened -overlay -pkcs11)
> >  Homepage:https://dockerproject.org
> >  Description: The core functions you need to create Docker 
> > images and run Docker containers
> > 
> > [I] app-emulation/docker-proxy
> >  Available versions:  0.8.0_p2016 (~)0.8.0_p20170917^t **
> >  Installed versions:  0.8.0_p20170917^t(05:46:10 PM 10/23/2017)
> >  Homepage:https://github.com/docker/libnetwork
> >  Description: Docker 

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Being Facebook member: How to anon?

[tuxic]

On 10/24 02:04, tu...@posteo.de wrote:
> On 10/23 09:33, Róbert Čerňanský wrote:
> > On Mon, 23 Oct 2017 17:56:40 +0200
> > tu...@posteo.de wrote:
> > 
> > > On 10/23 09:56, Stroller wrote:
> > > >   
> > > > > On 22 Oct 2017, at 16:50, tu...@posteo.de wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > for its invasive nature and its data gathering I really dont like
> > > > > facebook. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > And now it seems that I cant with out it:
> > > > > There is a HUGE user group for the Creality CR-10 3D printer there
> > > > > and veryone and everything is referencing it.
> > > > > 
> > > > > My question is:
> > > > > Are there ways (and which ones) to become member of facebook
> > > > > just to read and write to this user grout (like a mailinglist)
> > > > > and keep the impact on privacy an personal fingerprinting as
> > > > > small as ever possible?  
> > > > 
> > > > I joined Facebook for the first time this week, for similar reasons
> > > > as, and with similar reservations to, you.
> > > > 
> > > > When people upload a photo of you, it performs facial recognition
> > > > and they can "tag" you as being in the photo. You don't have to
> > > > upload a photo of yourself (I'm thinking of trying one in
> > > > sunglasses) and in the privacy settings you're also able to forbid
> > > > people from tagging you.
> > > > 
> > > > There are quite granular settings to allow anyone but friends to
> > > > see or post on your timeline - I was quite impressed by how much
> > > > privacy appears to be available to users. I suspect this allows you
> > > > more privacy from you family and colleagues than it does from
> > > > Facebook, though.
> > > > 
> > > > Stroller.
> > > > 
> > > >   
> > > 
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > thanks a lot for all the input...it seems not only my problem which I
> > > have with facehook.
> > > 
> > > I will try th docker-way at first.
> > > But: I am a total (in words: "total") newbie when it comes to docker.
> > > And as I want "only" to encapsulate my inner self from the faces in
> > > that book (and for the first dont need to explore the huge planet of
> > > docker)...does one know of a good documentation for that
> > > purpose...something like: "Facebook for Dummies: How to use docker
> > > for anon access to facebook" ...or something like that ... ;)
> > 
> > Well, here is very compressed "how to start" (partly from top of my
> > head):
> > 
> > 1. emerge app-emulation/docker and /etc/init.d/docker start
> > 2. Add yourself to docker group; re-login
> > 3. Choose docker image that you like on hub.docker.com; for example:
> > https://hub.docker.com/r/openhs/firefox-ubuntu/ as I have mentioned in
> > previous mail.  It's what I've made for myself and published.
> > 4. Follow instructions for your chosen image how to run it.  For the
> > openhs/firefox-ubuntu image above, the following command should start
> > Firefox:
> > 
> > $ docker run --name firefox -e DISPLAY=$DISPLAY --device /dev/snd \
> > -v /tmp/.X11-unix:/tmp/.X11-unix \
> > -v $XAUTHORITY:/tmp/.host_Xauthority:ro -dti openhs/firefox-ubuntu
> > 
> > What it does is: from image openhs/firefox-ubuntu it creates container
> > named 'firefox' and starts it.  (The image is downloaded automatically.)
> > 
> > This long command is needed only for the first time.  Next time you can
> > start it with:
> > 
> > $ docker start firefox
> > 
> > Some basic docker commands:
> > 
> > $ docker ps [-a] - lists running containers [or all containers]
> > $ docker images - lists images
> > $ docker rm [container_name] - removes container
> > $ docker rmi [image_name] - removes image
> > 
> > The official documentation is pretty good:
> > https://docs.docker.com/get-started/
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Robert
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Róbert Čerňanský
> > E-mail: ope...@tightmail.com
> > Jabber: h...@jabber.sk
> > 
> 
> Hi Robert,
> 
> oh YEAH!
> Thanks a lot for that quick start!
> 
> I didi it, but...
> #>eix -I docker
> [I] app-emulation/docker
>  Available versions:  17.03.2^si (~)17.06.2^si (~)17.09.0^si **^si 
> {apparmor aufs btrfs +container-init +device-mapper hardened overlay pkcs11 
> seccomp}
>  Installed versions:  17.09.0^si(05:48:14 PM 10/23/2017)(container-init 
> device-mapper seccomp -apparmor -aufs -btrfs -hardened -overlay -pkcs11)
>  Homepage:https://dockerproject.org
>  Description: The core functions you need to create Docker images 
> and run Docker containers
> 
> [I] app-emulation/docker-proxy
>  Available versions:  0.8.0_p2016 (~)0.8.0_p20170917^t **
>  Installed versions:  0.8.0_p20170917^t(05:46:10 PM 10/23/2017)
>  Homepage:https://github.com/docker/libnetwork
>  Description: Docker container networking
> 
> [I] app-emulation/docker-runc
>  Available versions:  1.0.0_rc2_p20170308^t (~)1.0.0_rc3_p20170706^t 
> (~)1.0.0_rc4_p20170917^t {+ambient apparmor hardened +seccomp}
>  Installed versions:  1.0.0_rc4_p20170917^t(05:46:07 PM 
> 10/23/2017)(ambient 

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Being Facebook member: How to anon?

[tuxic]

On 10/23 09:33, Róbert Čerňanský wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Oct 2017 17:56:40 +0200
> tu...@posteo.de wrote:
> 
> > On 10/23 09:56, Stroller wrote:
> > >   
> > > > On 22 Oct 2017, at 16:50, tu...@posteo.de wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > for its invasive nature and its data gathering I really dont like
> > > > facebook. 
> > > > 
> > > > And now it seems that I cant with out it:
> > > > There is a HUGE user group for the Creality CR-10 3D printer there
> > > > and veryone and everything is referencing it.
> > > > 
> > > > My question is:
> > > > Are there ways (and which ones) to become member of facebook
> > > > just to read and write to this user grout (like a mailinglist)
> > > > and keep the impact on privacy an personal fingerprinting as
> > > > small as ever possible?  
> > > 
> > > I joined Facebook for the first time this week, for similar reasons
> > > as, and with similar reservations to, you.
> > > 
> > > When people upload a photo of you, it performs facial recognition
> > > and they can "tag" you as being in the photo. You don't have to
> > > upload a photo of yourself (I'm thinking of trying one in
> > > sunglasses) and in the privacy settings you're also able to forbid
> > > people from tagging you.
> > > 
> > > There are quite granular settings to allow anyone but friends to
> > > see or post on your timeline - I was quite impressed by how much
> > > privacy appears to be available to users. I suspect this allows you
> > > more privacy from you family and colleagues than it does from
> > > Facebook, though.
> > > 
> > > Stroller.
> > > 
> > >   
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > thanks a lot for all the input...it seems not only my problem which I
> > have with facehook.
> > 
> > I will try th docker-way at first.
> > But: I am a total (in words: "total") newbie when it comes to docker.
> > And as I want "only" to encapsulate my inner self from the faces in
> > that book (and for the first dont need to explore the huge planet of
> > docker)...does one know of a good documentation for that
> > purpose...something like: "Facebook for Dummies: How to use docker
> > for anon access to facebook" ...or something like that ... ;)
> 
> Well, here is very compressed "how to start" (partly from top of my
> head):
> 
> 1. emerge app-emulation/docker and /etc/init.d/docker start
> 2. Add yourself to docker group; re-login
> 3. Choose docker image that you like on hub.docker.com; for example:
> https://hub.docker.com/r/openhs/firefox-ubuntu/ as I have mentioned in
> previous mail.  It's what I've made for myself and published.
> 4. Follow instructions for your chosen image how to run it.  For the
> openhs/firefox-ubuntu image above, the following command should start
> Firefox:
> 
> $ docker run --name firefox -e DISPLAY=$DISPLAY --device /dev/snd \
> -v /tmp/.X11-unix:/tmp/.X11-unix \
> -v $XAUTHORITY:/tmp/.host_Xauthority:ro -dti openhs/firefox-ubuntu
> 
> What it does is: from image openhs/firefox-ubuntu it creates container
> named 'firefox' and starts it.  (The image is downloaded automatically.)
> 
> This long command is needed only for the first time.  Next time you can
> start it with:
> 
> $ docker start firefox
> 
> Some basic docker commands:
> 
> $ docker ps [-a] - lists running containers [or all containers]
> $ docker images - lists images
> $ docker rm [container_name] - removes container
> $ docker rmi [image_name] - removes image
> 
> The official documentation is pretty good:
> https://docs.docker.com/get-started/
> 
> Regards,
> Robert
> 
> 
> -- 
> Róbert Čerňanský
> E-mail: ope...@tightmail.com
> Jabber: h...@jabber.sk
> 

Hi Robert,

oh YEAH!
Thanks a lot for that quick start!

I didi it, but...
#>eix -I docker
[I] app-emulation/docker
 Available versions:  17.03.2^si (~)17.06.2^si (~)17.09.0^si **^si 
{apparmor aufs btrfs +container-init +device-mapper hardened overlay pkcs11 
seccomp}
 Installed versions:  17.09.0^si(05:48:14 PM 10/23/2017)(container-init 
device-mapper seccomp -apparmor -aufs -btrfs -hardened -overlay -pkcs11)
 Homepage:https://dockerproject.org
 Description: The core functions you need to create Docker images 
and run Docker containers

[I] app-emulation/docker-proxy
 Available versions:  0.8.0_p2016 (~)0.8.0_p20170917^t **
 Installed versions:  0.8.0_p20170917^t(05:46:10 PM 10/23/2017)
 Homepage:https://github.com/docker/libnetwork
 Description: Docker container networking

[I] app-emulation/docker-runc
 Available versions:  1.0.0_rc2_p20170308^t (~)1.0.0_rc3_p20170706^t 
(~)1.0.0_rc4_p20170917^t {+ambient apparmor hardened +seccomp}
 Installed versions:  1.0.0_rc4_p20170917^t(05:46:07 PM 10/23/2017)(ambient 
seccomp -apparmor -hardened)
 Homepage:http://runc.io
 Description: runc container cli tools (docker fork)


#>groups
wheel mail uucp audio cdrom video games cdrw usb users docker wireshark 
vboxusers vlock realtime
   

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Being Facebook member: How to anon?

[Róbert Čerňanský]

On Mon, 23 Oct 2017 17:56:40 +0200
tu...@posteo.de wrote:

> On 10/23 09:56, Stroller wrote:
> >   
> > > On 22 Oct 2017, at 16:50, tu...@posteo.de wrote:
> > > 
> > > for its invasive nature and its data gathering I really dont like
> > > facebook. 
> > > 
> > > And now it seems that I cant with out it:
> > > There is a HUGE user group for the Creality CR-10 3D printer there
> > > and veryone and everything is referencing it.
> > > 
> > > My question is:
> > > Are there ways (and which ones) to become member of facebook
> > > just to read and write to this user grout (like a mailinglist)
> > > and keep the impact on privacy an personal fingerprinting as
> > > small as ever possible?  
> > 
> > I joined Facebook for the first time this week, for similar reasons
> > as, and with similar reservations to, you.
> > 
> > When people upload a photo of you, it performs facial recognition
> > and they can "tag" you as being in the photo. You don't have to
> > upload a photo of yourself (I'm thinking of trying one in
> > sunglasses) and in the privacy settings you're also able to forbid
> > people from tagging you.
> > 
> > There are quite granular settings to allow anyone but friends to
> > see or post on your timeline - I was quite impressed by how much
> > privacy appears to be available to users. I suspect this allows you
> > more privacy from you family and colleagues than it does from
> > Facebook, though.
> > 
> > Stroller.
> > 
> >   
> 
> Hi,
> 
> thanks a lot for all the input...it seems not only my problem which I
> have with facehook.
> 
> I will try th docker-way at first.
> But: I am a total (in words: "total") newbie when it comes to docker.
> And as I want "only" to encapsulate my inner self from the faces in
> that book (and for the first dont need to explore the huge planet of
> docker)...does one know of a good documentation for that
> purpose...something like: "Facebook for Dummies: How to use docker
> for anon access to facebook" ...or something like that ... ;)

Well, here is very compressed "how to start" (partly from top of my
head):

1. emerge app-emulation/docker and /etc/init.d/docker start
2. Add yourself to docker group; re-login
3. Choose docker image that you like on hub.docker.com; for example:
https://hub.docker.com/r/openhs/firefox-ubuntu/ as I have mentioned in
previous mail.  It's what I've made for myself and published.
4. Follow instructions for your chosen image how to run it.  For the
openhs/firefox-ubuntu image above, the following command should start
Firefox:

$ docker run --name firefox -e DISPLAY=$DISPLAY --device /dev/snd \
-v /tmp/.X11-unix:/tmp/.X11-unix \
-v $XAUTHORITY:/tmp/.host_Xauthority:ro -dti openhs/firefox-ubuntu

What it does is: from image openhs/firefox-ubuntu it creates container
named 'firefox' and starts it.  (The image is downloaded automatically.)

This long command is needed only for the first time.  Next time you can
start it with:

$ docker start firefox

Some basic docker commands:

$ docker ps [-a] - lists running containers [or all containers]
$ docker images - lists images
$ docker rm [container_name] - removes container
$ docker rmi [image_name] - removes image

The official documentation is pretty good:
https://docs.docker.com/get-started/

Regards,
Robert


-- 
Róbert Čerňanský
E-mail: ope...@tightmail.com
Jabber: h...@jabber.sk

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Being Facebook member: How to anon?

[Nils Freydank]

Am Montag, 23. Oktober 2017, 18:45:18 CEST schrieb Mick:
> On Monday, 23 October 2017 16:56:40 BST tu...@posteo.de wrote:
> > On 10/23 09:56, Stroller wrote:
> > > > On 22 Oct 2017, at 16:50, tu...@posteo.de wrote:
> > > > 
> [...] 
> Perhaps I'm missing something, but isn't using a new vanilla FF profile as
> good as it needs to be to protect your privacy in this use case?  Facebook
> will not be able to collect cookies from your previous life or anything
> else, because this will be a new fresh profile.  Store it on /tmp/Facebook/
> and it will be cleared out next time you reboot.  Fingerprinting will show
> a new FF vanilla profile, your OS, etc., but I guess this is innocuous
> enough.  It goes without saying you should not use Adobe Flash.  If you do
> 'rm -Rf ~/.adobe/ Flash_Player/' before and after.
> [...]
Hi, I add using firefox --new-instance --profile[…] with firejail just to 
block firefox’ legitimate[1] access to ~. It could still read the whole 
~/.mozilla with the default profile, but even that can be restricted with
some tweaking.

As far as I understand facebook’s major business model is to gather 
information that were more or less willingly uploaded, at least not through an 
exploit in classical sense. Breaking out of firejail through X is possible 
[citation needed..], but I hope that facebook’s manager think it would push 
users away.

In general, I don’t know what a custom user agent, and disabling general 
privacy threatening stuff[2] in firefox does for good, as most of it would 
just be useful to identify you *again* - a thing that you already provide 
yourself by logging in.

[1] This might be discussable at all as webbrowsers are quite complex 
nowadays, but this leads to a whole new discussion.

[2] https://privacytools.io is a neat site with much information about e.g. 
firefox’ modifications to disable stuff like JS battery status information. 
Yep, that exists :)
https://www.privacytools.io/#about_config should link directly to the specific 
subsection.


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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Being Facebook member: How to anon?

[tuxic]

On 10/23 10:21, Jeriko One wrote:
> * Dale  [2017-10-22 11:53:36 -0500]:
> 
> > Another thought, what about using Tor to make it so it can't track IPs
> > as well?  Joost, you have a thought on that? 
> 
> My approach would be the following
> Default browser should block all things owned by Facebook. Facebook Browser
> should be routed through TOR, and only used for Facebook.
> 
> I think that routing your traffic through TOR, or a VPN would achieve
> the most privacy. You can use a different profile or browser to
> go to Facebook, but I don't think that alone will stop them from tacking
> you. Other websites will pull in javascript from Facebook for some type
> of integration. Even if you're not logged into Facebook I'm sure they're
> experienced enough to cooralate that "This IP with this OS around this
> time read this blog about 3D printing, and went to a 3D printing group
> on Facebook. Probably the same person."
> 

Hi,

to block out everything facebook/twitter/google/amazon/etc I use uBlock.origin,
uMatrix and PrivacyBadger, which work pretty well.

Cheers
Meino

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Being Facebook member: How to anon?

[Jeriko One]

* Dale  [2017-10-22 11:53:36 -0500]:


Another thought, what about using Tor to make it so it can't track IPs
as well?  Joost, you have a thought on that? 


My approach would be the following
Default browser should block all things owned by Facebook. 
Facebook Browser should be routed through TOR, and only used for Facebook.


I think that routing your traffic through TOR, or a VPN would achieve
the most privacy. You can use a different profile or browser to
go to Facebook, but I don't think that alone will stop them from tacking
you. Other websites will pull in javascript from Facebook for some type
of integration. Even if you're not logged into Facebook I'm sure they're
experienced enough to cooralate that "This IP with this OS around this
time read this blog about 3D printing, and went to a 3D printing group
on Facebook. Probably the same person."

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Being Facebook member: How to anon?

[Mick]

On Monday, 23 October 2017 16:56:40 BST tu...@posteo.de wrote:
> On 10/23 09:56, Stroller wrote:
> > > On 22 Oct 2017, at 16:50, tu...@posteo.de wrote:
> > > 
> > > for its invasive nature and its data gathering I really dont like
> > > facebook.
> > > 
> > > And now it seems that I cant with out it:
> > > There is a HUGE user group for the Creality CR-10 3D printer there
> > > and veryone and everything is referencing it.
> > > 
> > > My question is:
> > > Are there ways (and which ones) to become member of facebook
> > > just to read and write to this user grout (like a mailinglist)
> > > and keep the impact on privacy an personal fingerprinting as
> > > small as ever possible?
> > 
> > I joined Facebook for the first time this week, for similar reasons as,
> > and with similar reservations to, you.
> > 
> > When people upload a photo of you, it performs facial recognition and they
> > can "tag" you as being in the photo. You don't have to upload a photo of
> > yourself (I'm thinking of trying one in sunglasses) and in the privacy
> > settings you're also able to forbid people from tagging you.
> > 
> > There are quite granular settings to allow anyone but friends to see or
> > post on your timeline - I was quite impressed by how much privacy appears
> > to be available to users. I suspect this allows you more privacy from you
> > family and colleagues than it does from Facebook, though.
> > 
> > Stroller.
> 
> Hi,
> 
> thanks a lot for all the input...it seems not only my problem which I have
> with facehook.
> 
> I will try th docker-way at first.
> But: I am a total (in words: "total") newbie when it comes to docker.
> And as I want "only" to encapsulate my inner self from the faces in that
> book (and for the first dont need to explore the huge planet of
> docker)...does one know of a good documentation for that
> purpose...something like:
> "Facebook for Dummies: How to use docker for anon access to facebook"
> ...or something like that ... ;)
> 
> Cheers
> Meino

Perhaps I'm missing something, but isn't using a new vanilla FF profile as 
good as it needs to be to protect your privacy in this use case?  Facebook 
will not be able to collect cookies from your previous life or anything else, 
because this will be a new fresh profile.  Store it on /tmp/Facebook/ and it 
will be cleared out next time you reboot.  Fingerprinting will show a new FF 
vanilla profile, your OS, etc., but I guess this is innocuous enough.  It goes 
without saying you should not use Adobe Flash.  If you do 'rm -Rf ~/.adobe/
Flash_Player/' before and after.

Other than the above, Facebook will collect everything you enter into it, 
name, email address, etc.

If you want your IP address to remain private, use Tor.  Sometimes it becomes 
congested and busy, try a different time of the day.  The NSA/GCHQ and friends 
are known to carry out DoS attacks to frustrate users who are trying to remain 
anonymous.

I just think Docker, LXC, VMs and what not, are quite an overkill, but perhaps 
I'm underestimating the degree of privacy you seek to achieve.
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Being Facebook member: How to anon?

[tuxic]

On 10/23 09:56, Stroller wrote:
> 
> > On 22 Oct 2017, at 16:50, tu...@posteo.de wrote:
> > 
> > for its invasive nature and its data gathering I really dont like
> > facebook. 
> > 
> > And now it seems that I cant with out it:
> > There is a HUGE user group for the Creality CR-10 3D printer there
> > and veryone and everything is referencing it.
> > 
> > My question is:
> > Are there ways (and which ones) to become member of facebook
> > just to read and write to this user grout (like a mailinglist)
> > and keep the impact on privacy an personal fingerprinting as
> > small as ever possible?
> 
> I joined Facebook for the first time this week, for similar reasons as, and 
> with similar reservations to, you.
> 
> When people upload a photo of you, it performs facial recognition and they 
> can "tag" you as being in the photo. You don't have to upload a photo of 
> yourself (I'm thinking of trying one in sunglasses) and in the privacy 
> settings you're also able to forbid people from tagging you.
> 
> There are quite granular settings to allow anyone but friends to see or post 
> on your timeline - I was quite impressed by how much privacy appears to be 
> available to users. I suspect this allows you more privacy from you family 
> and colleagues than it does from Facebook, though.
> 
> Stroller.
> 
> 

Hi,

thanks a lot for all the input...it seems not only my problem which I have with 
facehook.

I will try th docker-way at first.
But: I am a total (in words: "total") newbie when it comes to docker.
And as I want "only" to encapsulate my inner self from the faces in that book 
(and 
for the first dont need to explore the huge planet of docker)...does one know of
a good documentation for that purpose...something like:
"Facebook for Dummies: How to use docker for anon access to facebook"
...or something like that ... ;)

Cheers
Meino

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Being Facebook member: How to anon?

[Wols Lists]

On 23/10/17 14:56, Stroller wrote:
> There are quite granular settings to allow anyone but friends to see or post 
> on your timeline - I was quite impressed by how much privacy appears to be 
> available to users. I suspect this allows you more privacy from you family 
> and colleagues than it does from Facebook, though.

I won't touch facebook. "how much privacy appears to be available to
users" - I get the impression that privacy is denied to non-users! How
ironic - in order to tell facebook not to track you it's not enough just
to have nothing to do with it - you have to create an account and give
it loads of info you don't want it to have, in order to tell it not to
use that info!

One reason I trust Google much more than facebook - at least on Google
everything *defaults* to *closed*, rather than defaulting wide open!

Cheers,
Wol

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Being Facebook member: How to anon?

[Stroller]

> On 22 Oct 2017, at 22:27, tu...@posteo.de wrote:
> 
> Does "dedicated browser" means "Firefox -NewInstance -P Facebookprofle" or 
> does it mean "another browser than the installed firefox" ?

I've been using private browsing mode, seems ok.

I do the same when I log into Google's services, either that or flush all 
Google & YouTube cookies immediately afterwards.

Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Being Facebook member: How to anon?

[Stroller]

> On 22 Oct 2017, at 16:50, tu...@posteo.de wrote:
> 
> for its invasive nature and its data gathering I really dont like
> facebook. 
> 
> And now it seems that I cant with out it:
> There is a HUGE user group for the Creality CR-10 3D printer there
> and veryone and everything is referencing it.
> 
> My question is:
> Are there ways (and which ones) to become member of facebook
> just to read and write to this user grout (like a mailinglist)
> and keep the impact on privacy an personal fingerprinting as
> small as ever possible?

I joined Facebook for the first time this week, for similar reasons as, and 
with similar reservations to, you.

When people upload a photo of you, it performs facial recognition and they can 
"tag" you as being in the photo. You don't have to upload a photo of yourself 
(I'm thinking of trying one in sunglasses) and in the privacy settings you're 
also able to forbid people from tagging you.

There are quite granular settings to allow anyone but friends to see or post on 
your timeline - I was quite impressed by how much privacy appears to be 
available to users. I suspect this allows you more privacy from you family and 
colleagues than it does from Facebook, though.

Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Being Facebook member: How to anon?

[Róbert Čerňanský]

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 13:58:35 +
"J. Roeleveld"  wrote:

> On 22 October 2017 10:50:01 GMT+02:00, tu...@posteo.de wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >for its invasive nature and its data gathering I really dont like
> >facebook. 
> >
> >And now it seems that I cant with out it:
> >There is a HUGE user group for the Creality CR-10 3D printer there
> >and veryone and everything is referencing it.
> >
> >My question is:
> >Are there ways (and which ones) to become member of facebook
> >just to read and write to this user grout (like a mailinglist)
> >and keep the impact on privacy an personal fingerprinting as
> >small as ever possible?
> >
> >Every help is very appreciated!
> >Cheers
> >Meino  
> 
> Run a dedicated browser in a dedicated user account. This should
> isolate any tracking cookies from going into your main account.

You could also run Firefox in a Docker container
(https://hub.docker.com/r/openhs/firefox-ubuntu/).  That way you will
be isolated and -- with this particular container -- you will be seen as
Ubuntu user (which is not so unique as Gentoo).

Regards,
Robert


-- 
Róbert Čerňanský
E-mail: ope...@tightmail.com
Jabber: h...@jabber.sk

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Being Facebook member: How to anon?

[Adam Carter]

*Run a dedicated browser in a dedicated user account. This should isolate
any tracking cookies from going into your main account.*

Agree. Also setup a new email account to dedicate to the FB account. Don't
install What'sApp (if you use FB on your phone/tablet), because;
https://twitter.com/mikko/status/769432079427837952

You want full separation from all the information you provide FB with real
information about yourself.

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Being Facebook member: How to anon?

[J. Roeleveld]

On 22 October 2017 18:55:36 GMT+02:00, tu...@posteo.de wrote:
>On 10/22 06:39, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>> On 22/10/2017 16:27, tu...@posteo.de wrote:
>> > On 10/22 01:58, J. Roeleveld wrote:
>> >> On 22 October 2017 10:50:01 GMT+02:00, tu...@posteo.de wrote:
>> >>> Hi,
>> >>>
>> >>> for its invasive nature and its data gathering I really dont like
>> >>> facebook. 
>> >>>
>> >>> And now it seems that I cant with out it:
>> >>> There is a HUGE user group for the Creality CR-10 3D printer
>there
>> >>> and veryone and everything is referencing it.
>> >>>
>> >>> My question is:
>> >>> Are there ways (and which ones) to become member of facebook
>> >>> just to read and write to this user grout (like a mailinglist)
>> >>> and keep the impact on privacy an personal fingerprinting as
>> >>> small as ever possible?
>> >>>
>> >>> Every help is very appreciated!
>> >>> Cheers
>> >>> Meino
>> >>
>> >> Run a dedicated browser in a dedicated user account. This should
>isolate any tracking cookies from going into your main account.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Joost
>> >> -- 
>> >> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my
>brevity.
>> >>
>> > 
>> > Hi Joost,
>> > 
>> > thanks for your help.
>> > 
>> > Does "dedicated browser" means "Firefox -NewInstance -P
>Facebookprofle" or 
>> > does it mean "another browser than the installed firefox" ?
>> 
>> 
>> The latter.
>> 
>> Unless you are seriously paranoid and the NSA really is out to get
>you,
>> then use the former and more. But in that case you have much bigger
>> problems than wondering if the spammers will find you from facebook
>> 
>> -- 
>> Alan McKinnon
>> alan.mckin...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>
>Hi Alan,
>
>thanks a lot. No ... I am not interesting enough to be a target for the
>NSA and such...but...wait! Yesterday at 5:08 PM I have had a bit of an
>own opinion...
>
>Ok, you convinced me...tommorrow I will get a dedicated PC in a secyre
>house... ;)
>
>More seriously:
>Any browser you can recommend beside Firefox?
>Or is it more a "take one" thing?
>
>Cheers
>Meino

Take any.
If you run it from a seperate account (ssh -Y facebookuser@localhost ) you can 
stay with firefox. Just keep that one for facebook only.

--
Joost
-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Being Facebook member: How to anon?

[J. Roeleveld]

On 22 October 2017 18:53:36 GMT+02:00, Dale  wrote:
>tu...@posteo.de wrote:
>> On 10/22 01:58, J. Roeleveld wrote:
>>> On 22 October 2017 10:50:01 GMT+02:00, tu...@posteo.de wrote:
 Hi,

 for its invasive nature and its data gathering I really dont like
 facebook. 

 And now it seems that I cant with out it:
 There is a HUGE user group for the Creality CR-10 3D printer there
 and veryone and everything is referencing it.

 My question is:
 Are there ways (and which ones) to become member of facebook
 just to read and write to this user grout (like a mailinglist)
 and keep the impact on privacy an personal fingerprinting as
 small as ever possible?

 Every help is very appreciated!
 Cheers
 Meino
>>> Run a dedicated browser in a dedicated user account. This should
>isolate any tracking cookies from going into your main account.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Joost
>>> -- 
>>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>>
>> Hi Joost,
>>
>> thanks for your help.
>>
>> Does "dedicated browser" means "Firefox -NewInstance -P
>Facebookprofle" or 
>> does it mean "another browser than the installed firefox" ?
>>
>> Cheers
>> Meino
>>
>
>I would think that would work.  I think I get where Joost is coming
>from. 
>
>Another thought, what about using Tor to make it so it can't track IPs
>as well?  Joost, you have a thought on that? 

I tried Tor once to see how it works. The network performance is too slow to be 
usable for something like Facebook.

--
Joost


-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Being Facebook member: How to anon?

[tuxic]

On 10/22 06:39, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 22/10/2017 16:27, tu...@posteo.de wrote:
> > On 10/22 01:58, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> >> On 22 October 2017 10:50:01 GMT+02:00, tu...@posteo.de wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> for its invasive nature and its data gathering I really dont like
> >>> facebook. 
> >>>
> >>> And now it seems that I cant with out it:
> >>> There is a HUGE user group for the Creality CR-10 3D printer there
> >>> and veryone and everything is referencing it.
> >>>
> >>> My question is:
> >>> Are there ways (and which ones) to become member of facebook
> >>> just to read and write to this user grout (like a mailinglist)
> >>> and keep the impact on privacy an personal fingerprinting as
> >>> small as ever possible?
> >>>
> >>> Every help is very appreciated!
> >>> Cheers
> >>> Meino
> >>
> >> Run a dedicated browser in a dedicated user account. This should isolate 
> >> any tracking cookies from going into your main account.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Joost
> >> -- 
> >> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
> >>
> > 
> > Hi Joost,
> > 
> > thanks for your help.
> > 
> > Does "dedicated browser" means "Firefox -NewInstance -P Facebookprofle" or 
> > does it mean "another browser than the installed firefox" ?
> 
> 
> The latter.
> 
> Unless you are seriously paranoid and the NSA really is out to get you,
> then use the former and more. But in that case you have much bigger
> problems than wondering if the spammers will find you from facebook
> 
> -- 
> Alan McKinnon
> alan.mckin...@gmail.com
> 
> 

Hi Alan,

thanks a lot. No ... I am not interesting enough to be a target for the
NSA and such...but...wait! Yesterday at 5:08 PM I have had a bit of an
own opinion...

Ok, you convinced me...tommorrow I will get a dedicated PC in a secyre
house... ;)

More seriously:
Any browser you can recommend beside Firefox?
Or is it more a "take one" thing?

Cheers
Meino

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Being Facebook member: How to anon?

[Dale]

tu...@posteo.de wrote:
> On 10/22 01:58, J. Roeleveld wrote:
>> On 22 October 2017 10:50:01 GMT+02:00, tu...@posteo.de wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> for its invasive nature and its data gathering I really dont like
>>> facebook. 
>>>
>>> And now it seems that I cant with out it:
>>> There is a HUGE user group for the Creality CR-10 3D printer there
>>> and veryone and everything is referencing it.
>>>
>>> My question is:
>>> Are there ways (and which ones) to become member of facebook
>>> just to read and write to this user grout (like a mailinglist)
>>> and keep the impact on privacy an personal fingerprinting as
>>> small as ever possible?
>>>
>>> Every help is very appreciated!
>>> Cheers
>>> Meino
>> Run a dedicated browser in a dedicated user account. This should isolate any 
>> tracking cookies from going into your main account.
>>
>> --
>> Joost
>> -- 
>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>
> Hi Joost,
>
> thanks for your help.
>
> Does "dedicated browser" means "Firefox -NewInstance -P Facebookprofle" or 
> does it mean "another browser than the installed firefox" ?
>
> Cheers
> Meino
>

I would think that would work.  I think I get where Joost is coming from. 

Another thought, what about using Tor to make it so it can't track IPs
as well?  Joost, you have a thought on that? 

Also, I've read where some people have had to prove who they are. 
Facebook requests the info and if it is not provided, they suspend the
account until it is provided.  It's never happened to me but I've talked
to people who it did happen too.  How does one get around it if that
happens? 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Being Facebook member: How to anon?

[Alan McKinnon]

On 22/10/2017 16:27, tu...@posteo.de wrote:
> On 10/22 01:58, J. Roeleveld wrote:
>> On 22 October 2017 10:50:01 GMT+02:00, tu...@posteo.de wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> for its invasive nature and its data gathering I really dont like
>>> facebook. 
>>>
>>> And now it seems that I cant with out it:
>>> There is a HUGE user group for the Creality CR-10 3D printer there
>>> and veryone and everything is referencing it.
>>>
>>> My question is:
>>> Are there ways (and which ones) to become member of facebook
>>> just to read and write to this user grout (like a mailinglist)
>>> and keep the impact on privacy an personal fingerprinting as
>>> small as ever possible?
>>>
>>> Every help is very appreciated!
>>> Cheers
>>> Meino
>>
>> Run a dedicated browser in a dedicated user account. This should isolate any 
>> tracking cookies from going into your main account.
>>
>> --
>> Joost
>> -- 
>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>
> 
> Hi Joost,
> 
> thanks for your help.
> 
> Does "dedicated browser" means "Firefox -NewInstance -P Facebookprofle" or 
> does it mean "another browser than the installed firefox" ?


The latter.

Unless you are seriously paranoid and the NSA really is out to get you,
then use the former and more. But in that case you have much bigger
problems than wondering if the spammers will find you from facebook

-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Being Facebook member: How to anon?

[tuxic]

On 10/22 01:58, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> On 22 October 2017 10:50:01 GMT+02:00, tu...@posteo.de wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >for its invasive nature and its data gathering I really dont like
> >facebook. 
> >
> >And now it seems that I cant with out it:
> >There is a HUGE user group for the Creality CR-10 3D printer there
> >and veryone and everything is referencing it.
> >
> >My question is:
> >Are there ways (and which ones) to become member of facebook
> >just to read and write to this user grout (like a mailinglist)
> >and keep the impact on privacy an personal fingerprinting as
> >small as ever possible?
> >
> >Every help is very appreciated!
> >Cheers
> >Meino
> 
> Run a dedicated browser in a dedicated user account. This should isolate any 
> tracking cookies from going into your main account.
> 
> --
> Joost
> -- 
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
> 

Hi Joost,

thanks for your help.

Does "dedicated browser" means "Firefox -NewInstance -P Facebookprofle" or 
does it mean "another browser than the installed firefox" ?

Cheers
Meino

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Being Facebook member: How to anon?

[J. Roeleveld]

On 22 October 2017 10:50:01 GMT+02:00, tu...@posteo.de wrote:
>Hi,
>
>for its invasive nature and its data gathering I really dont like
>facebook. 
>
>And now it seems that I cant with out it:
>There is a HUGE user group for the Creality CR-10 3D printer there
>and veryone and everything is referencing it.
>
>My question is:
>Are there ways (and which ones) to become member of facebook
>just to read and write to this user grout (like a mailinglist)
>and keep the impact on privacy an personal fingerprinting as
>small as ever possible?
>
>Every help is very appreciated!
>Cheers
>Meino

Run a dedicated browser in a dedicated user account. This should isolate any 
tracking cookies from going into your main account.

--
Joost
-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.