Re: [gentoo-user] Font sizes very small in KDE
Hi Tim Thanks for the reply, just printing the info, hopefully this will solve the problem. Thanks again Stewart -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Font sizes very small in KDE
Hi Tim Printed the info, read half way down first page of Mozilla DPI issues, problem fixed in 5 minutes. Thanks again for your help Stewart -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Font sizes very small in KDE
Holly Bostick wrote: Phew! what a long post. Sorry it's taken so long to come back on this. I tried the emerge x11-themes/gtk-engines-qt. Then made the changes in KDE Control center. No effect at all. I didn't have Gnome installed, so to see if the basic setting and hardware are ok I installed it, this is what has taken so long. When I ran Firefox under Gnome no problems, everything was as it should be. So your idea that it is basically a KDE problem looks to be correct. Where I go from here I have no idea. Stewart I find this situation a constant annoyance as well. You have, unfortunately, several issues involved, none of which is completely resolveable until everybody is on board with the freedesktop.org standard, but you can get everything to a reasonably stable state that you can deal with. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Font sizes very small in KDE
Sounds like your DPI may be set incorrectly (if at all). I've had a horrible time getting the fonts in Firefox + KDE looking usable at normal (10-14) font sizes. For whatever reason, Xorg doesn't play nice when it comes to anything font related (at least, not in my experience). It certainly doesn't work out of the box on any of the machines *I* own. Below are a few links which you may find useful in relation to your font problems; Here's a link to Mozilla's site that talks extensively about font DPI issues http://www.mozilla.org/unix/dpi.html Here's a link (it's for archlinux, but still should be okay) about how to configure Xorg.conf. Note section 4.11 which talks about font sizes and DPI: http://wiki2.archlinux.org/index.php/XOrg_Font_Configuration Here's the gentoo-wiki page dealing with xorg and fonts. It talks a bit about fonts and DPI scaling; at the bottom however is a link about controlling the font DPI in X: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Xorg_and_Fonts And finally here's a link to some comments on the gentoo wiki about KDE/fonts/dpi/etc. I found this comment of particular use a while back: http://gentoo-wiki.com/Talk:HOWTO_Xorg_and_Fonts#Font_DPI Lastly, I suggest you try searching the forums for stuff about kde, firefox, fonts, dpi, etc. Searching the forums has become increasingly annoying due to the volume of posts there, but if you dig long enough you should find something useful :) Good luck! Tim On 9/23/05, Stewart Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Holly Bostick wrote:Phew! what a long post. Sorry it's takenso long to come back on this. I triedthe emerge x11-themes/gtk-engines-qt.Then made the changes in KDE Controlcenter. No effect at all. I didn't have Gnome installed, so to see if the basicsetting and hardware are ok I installedit, this is what has taken so long. WhenI ran Firefox under Gnome no problems,everything was as it should be. So youridea that it is basically a KDE problem looks to be correct. Where I go fromhere I have no idea.Stewart I find this situation a constant annoyance as well. You have, unfortunately, several issues involved, none of which is completely resolveable until everybody is on board with the freedesktop.org standard, but you can get everything to a reasonably stable state that you can deal with. --gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Font sizes very small in KDE
Stewart Taylor schreef: Hi All I've got a problem with the display under KDE. I've just installed Gentoo for the first time. Under KDE the font sizes are very small compared with what they should be. Compared with the same hardware under Suse 8.0 all text displays a little over half the size. this affects KDE apps and non KDE apps the same. Firefox text on menus and the like is so small that it is unusable. On one of my own programs the 14 point text displays as if it were 8-9 point. I have a Matrox Millennium G400 graphics card. I've tried all the settings i can find and have tried different kernel modules settings without success. The info I found on the web left me confused as it seems that this card may have different names in the UK and US. I'm in the UK. TIA Stewart I find this situation a constant annoyance as well. You have, unfortunately, several issues involved, none of which is completely resolveable until everybody is on board with the freedesktop.org standard, but you can get everything to a reasonably stable state that you can deal with. The problem (and I must regretfully point out that most of the problem seems to be KDE, but we'll get to that): You run KDE. Fine; KDE controls its fonts, you set your fonts to whatever you like and they look OK (all right, yours don't, quite, but you can obviously hack them into shape by running them at some ridiculously high point size. I've also noticed that KDE seems to make fonts look smaller than I would imagine they should, and I don't know why, so I just hack them into useability). Then you open Firefox. Which is a GTK program and whose font size (for menus and the like, not page display which is controlled by the program) is controlled by the GNOME control panel (or gtk2rc, but in any case GNOME/GTK, and not KDE). So GTK apps are now running essentially unconfigured fonts and font sizes, so they look like sh*t. Plus KDE is (naturally) trying to control this window (because it's a window on the KDE desktop), and is unable to really do so, so that just makes things a bit worse (more on this later as well). Furthermore you also have X trying to control the font size for one or more reasons (maybe you have a font server running, maybe you're running 'uncontrolled' programs which start with an 'X' rather than a 'K' or a 'G', and of course X is ultimately responsible for displaying all display elements anyway). So the situation is that basically too many cooks spoil the soup. At least, that's the *first* problem, which we'd have to clear away before we could be sure that your video card is doing what it should (which I think it probably is; I have a G400 Max which I used till about a year or so ago under Linux, and it was really the most trouble-free card I've used). Here's what you want to do: 1. emerge x11-themes/gtk-engines-qt. This little GTK engine will add a couple of entries to the KDE control center which will allow KDE to control not only the color of GTK apps (which kcontrol already does before the installation of this engine, check the Appearance and Themes= Colors section for the checkbox), but the theme and the fonts as well, so they can be conformed. Be aware, the themes will only be conformed for GTK2 applications, and only those which do not theme themselves (as Firefox does, for example). So any GTK1 apps you might run will not look so much better (except that the colors will be right), unless you do what I do, which is run a theme which is designed for all three engines, GTK1, GTK2 and QT. A few can be found on KDE-look.org. 1a. emerge =x11-themes/gtk-theme-switch-1.0.1-r2 (specifically the 1.0 version which controls GTK1 themes, rather than the 2.0 version, which controls GTK2 themes, which you don't need, as you're already doing this with Kcontrol). If you use any GTK1 apps (sylpheed, gnotepad +, multi-gnome-terminal, etc), this program can be useful for setting their theme and fonts. 2. Try to stick to programs for one desktop environment wherever possible. Yes, this sucks, but until KDE and GNOME (GTK) are a lot more interoperable in this respect than they are now, the easiest way to avoid them conflicting is to not bring them into conflict by using programs from multiple DEs if it can be avoided. This is, btw, why I complain that KDE is the problem; I don't run GNOME or KDE, but Openbox and FVWM. I run mostly GNOME (GTK) apps, but there are a couple of KDE apps I like that I use (k3b, krusader). It's hard not to notice that when I open one of the KDE programs on my desktop which is already running a bunch of GTK apps, *the font size changes for everything*. Just a little, but I can see it. This may have been my mistake though-- I had set kcontrol to 'use my KDE fonts for GTK apps' (using gtk-engines-qt). It's quite possible that, since kcontrol is not running until I open Krusader or K3b, and because my KDE font size setting is not quite the same as my GNOME font size setting (because I just
Re: [gentoo-user] Font sizes very small in KDE
Holly Bostick wrote: Stewart Taylor schreef: Hi All I've got a problem with the display under KDE. I've just installed Gentoo for the first time. Under KDE the font sizes are very small compared with what they should be. Compared with the same hardware under Suse 8.0 all text displays a little over half the size. this affects KDE apps and non KDE apps the same. Firefox text on menus and the like is so small that it is unusable. On one of my own programs the 14 point text displays as if it were 8-9 point. I have a Matrox Millennium G400 graphics card. I've tried all the settings i can find and have tried different kernel modules settings without success. The info I found on the web left me confused as it seems that this card may have different names in the UK and US. I'm in the UK. TIA Stewart So the situation is that basically too many cooks spoil the soup. At least, that's the *first* problem, which we'd have to clear away before we could be sure that your video card is doing what it should (which I think it probably is; I have a G400 Max which I used till about a year or so ago under Linux, and it was really the most trouble-free card I've used). Hope this helps. Holly Hi Stewart, If you are running KDE and Gnome together, I sometimes run into the same troubles as you. Generally, as Holly says, the problem is with Gnome/KDE not playing well together (assuming you have them both installed). However, the way I get around it is to: a) start up gnome-font-properties and choose the fonts which look best. b) edit your ~/.xprofile to contain: #!/bin/sh /usr/libexec/gnome-settings-daemon c) make sure the ~/.xprofile script is executable chmod u+x ~/.xprofile d) now log back into X, fire up kcontrol and adjust the KDE fonts in Appearance Themes-Fonts Hopefully this will be of some help. It seems to work for me, so good luck! Dave. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
