Re: [gentoo-user] How to set up claws mail

[Peter Humphrey]

On Tue, 24 Oct 2017 01:21:31 +0100
Neil Bothwick  wrote:

> On Mon, 23 Oct 2017 15:39:45 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 23 Oct 2017 14:51:44 +0100
> > Neil Bothwick  wrote:
> >   
> > > Can you send a screenshot of the filter definition. 
> > 
> > Of course. Here it is.  
> 
> The List-Id is gentoo-user.gentoo.org (. not @)

Grr... How did I manage to do that? I'm beginning to think I'm seeing what
I expect to see instead of what's there - speaking generally, that is, not
just here.

-- 
Regards,
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] How to set up claws mail

[Neil Bothwick]

On Mon, 23 Oct 2017 15:39:45 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:

> On Mon, 23 Oct 2017 14:51:44 +0100
> Neil Bothwick  wrote:
> 
> > Can you send a screenshot of the filter definition.   
> 
> Of course. Here it is.

The List-Id is gentoo-user.gentoo.org (. not @)


-- 
Neil Bothwick

It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning
to others.


pgph53cBKWK0Y.pgp
Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-user] How to set up claws mail

[Peter Humphrey]

On Mon, 23 Oct 2017 14:51:44 +0100
Neil Bothwick  wrote:

> Can you send a screenshot of the filter definition. 

Of course. Here it is.

-- 
Regards,
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] How to set up claws mail

[Neil Bothwick]

Can you send a screenshot of the filter definition. 

On 23 October 2017 13:27:39 BST, Peter Humphrey  wrote:
>On Mon, 23 Oct 2017 10:22:17 +0100
>Neil Bothwick  wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 23 Oct 2017 09:46:37 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:
>> 
>> > I still don't have it right. On fetching mail this morning I
>received
>> > just one message, but webmail showed more than a dozen. A second
>> > attempt at fetching them left this log entry:
>> > 
>> > * Account 'Zen': Connecting to POP3 server:
>mailhost.zen.co.uk:995...
>> > [09:35:05] POP3< +OK smarthost03b, Zen Internet POP3 Server Ready
>> > [09:35:05] POP3> USER pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk
>> > [09:35:05] POP3< +OK Please enter your pass, with the PASS command.
>> > [09:35:05] POP3> PASS 
>> > [09:35:05] POP3< +OK Logged in.
>> > [09:35:05] POP3> STAT
>> > [09:35:06] POP3< +OK 13 198521
>> > [09:35:06] POP3> UIDL
>> > [09:35:06] POP3< +OK UIDL List
>> > [09:35:06] POP3> LIST
>> > [09:35:06] POP3< +OK 13 messages (198521 octets)
>> > [09:35:06] POP3> QUIT
>> > [09:35:06] POP3< +OK Goodbye. See you again sometime :)
>> > 
>> > Why is claws not fetching those 13 messages?
>> >   
>> A wild guess, it thinks it already has. try removing the UID list
>file
>> from ~/.claws-mail/uidl.
>
>That did it; I now have all the messages. But now claws is refusing to
>filter them into the folder they're supposed to go in. I must be
>missing
>something in the filter definition.

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [gentoo-user] How to set up claws mail

[Peter Humphrey]

On Mon, 23 Oct 2017 10:22:17 +0100
Neil Bothwick  wrote:

> On Mon, 23 Oct 2017 09:46:37 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> 
> > I still don't have it right. On fetching mail this morning I received
> > just one message, but webmail showed more than a dozen. A second
> > attempt at fetching them left this log entry:
> > 
> > * Account 'Zen': Connecting to POP3 server: mailhost.zen.co.uk:995...
> > [09:35:05] POP3< +OK smarthost03b, Zen Internet POP3 Server Ready
> > [09:35:05] POP3> USER pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk
> > [09:35:05] POP3< +OK Please enter your pass, with the PASS command.
> > [09:35:05] POP3> PASS 
> > [09:35:05] POP3< +OK Logged in.
> > [09:35:05] POP3> STAT
> > [09:35:06] POP3< +OK 13 198521
> > [09:35:06] POP3> UIDL
> > [09:35:06] POP3< +OK UIDL List
> > [09:35:06] POP3> LIST
> > [09:35:06] POP3< +OK 13 messages (198521 octets)
> > [09:35:06] POP3> QUIT
> > [09:35:06] POP3< +OK Goodbye. See you again sometime :)
> > 
> > Why is claws not fetching those 13 messages?
> >   
> A wild guess, it thinks it already has. try removing the UID list file
> from ~/.claws-mail/uidl.

That did it; I now have all the messages. But now claws is refusing to
filter them into the folder they're supposed to go in. I must be missing
something in the filter definition.

-- 
Regards,
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] How to set up claws mail

[Mick]

On Monday, 23 October 2017 09:46:37 BST Peter Humphrey wrote:
> I still don't have it right. On fetching mail this morning I received just
> one message, but webmail showed more than a dozen. A second attempt at
> fetching them left this log entry:
> 
> * Account 'Zen': Connecting to POP3 server: mailhost.zen.co.uk:995...
> [09:35:05] POP3< +OK smarthost03b, Zen Internet POP3 Server Ready
> [09:35:05] POP3> USER pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk
> [09:35:05] POP3< +OK Please enter your pass, with the PASS command.
> [09:35:05] POP3> PASS 
> [09:35:05] POP3< +OK Logged in.
> [09:35:05] POP3> STAT
> [09:35:06] POP3< +OK 13 198521

This shows you have 13 messages totaling 198,521 Bytes

> [09:35:06] POP3> UIDL
> [09:35:06] POP3< +OK UIDL List
> [09:35:06] POP3> LIST
> [09:35:06] POP3< +OK 13 messages (198521 octets)

This doesn't look correct to me.  I would expect to see a list containing each 
message followed by its unique ID, e.g.:

1 00WBw418fblah
2 foo:hdPYR
...
13 whateverswO
.

as per RFC1939 at least.

Also missing is the RETR command, which will retrieve a numbered message and 
the DELE command which will mark the message(s) to be deleted when the client 
quits the session.


> [09:35:06] POP3> QUIT
> [09:35:06] POP3< +OK Goodbye. See you again sometime :)
> 
> Why is claws not fetching those 13 messages?

I can't answer this, other than by saying the above log entries do not display 
a complete transaction sequence I would expect to see between a client and a 
POP3 server.  In the first instance I suggest you use openssl s_client to 
login on a terminal and fire the various commands at the server to see its 
responses.  As long as the server does not error out, run RSET to unmark any 
messages so they are not deleted and QUIT.

Then try again with Claws, increasing the log verbosity to see what you get.  
It may be the POP3 server implementation is incompatible with the Claws 
client, although in 2017 when POP3 would be deemed mature at best, if not 
technologically obsolete, this seems unlikely.


Disclaimer 1:  I have not used Claws for years now.
Disclaimer 2:  I've stopped using telnet to troubleshoot POP3 servers or read 
my emails for even more years than that.  :-)

-- 
Regards,
Mick

signature.asc
Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: [gentoo-user] How to set up claws mail

[Neil Bothwick]

On Mon, 23 Oct 2017 09:46:37 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:

> I still don't have it right. On fetching mail this morning I received
> just one message, but webmail showed more than a dozen. A second
> attempt at fetching them left this log entry:
> 
> * Account 'Zen': Connecting to POP3 server: mailhost.zen.co.uk:995...
> [09:35:05] POP3< +OK smarthost03b, Zen Internet POP3 Server Ready
> [09:35:05] POP3> USER pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk
> [09:35:05] POP3< +OK Please enter your pass, with the PASS command.
> [09:35:05] POP3> PASS 
> [09:35:05] POP3< +OK Logged in.
> [09:35:05] POP3> STAT
> [09:35:06] POP3< +OK 13 198521
> [09:35:06] POP3> UIDL
> [09:35:06] POP3< +OK UIDL List
> [09:35:06] POP3> LIST
> [09:35:06] POP3< +OK 13 messages (198521 octets)
> [09:35:06] POP3> QUIT
> [09:35:06] POP3< +OK Goodbye. See you again sometime :)
> 
> Why is claws not fetching those 13 messages?
> 
A wild guess, it thinks it already has. try removing the UID list file
from ~/.claws-mail/uidl.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

WinErr 005: Multitasking attempted - System confused


pgpSqkrmjhttP.pgp
Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-user] How to set up claws mail

[Peter Humphrey]

I still don't have it right. On fetching mail this morning I received just
one message, but webmail showed more than a dozen. A second attempt at
fetching them left this log entry:

* Account 'Zen': Connecting to POP3 server: mailhost.zen.co.uk:995...
[09:35:05] POP3< +OK smarthost03b, Zen Internet POP3 Server Ready
[09:35:05] POP3> USER pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk
[09:35:05] POP3< +OK Please enter your pass, with the PASS command.
[09:35:05] POP3> PASS 
[09:35:05] POP3< +OK Logged in.
[09:35:05] POP3> STAT
[09:35:06] POP3< +OK 13 198521
[09:35:06] POP3> UIDL
[09:35:06] POP3< +OK UIDL List
[09:35:06] POP3> LIST
[09:35:06] POP3< +OK 13 messages (198521 octets)
[09:35:06] POP3> QUIT
[09:35:06] POP3< +OK Goodbye. See you again sometime :)

Why is claws not fetching those 13 messages?

-- 
Regards,
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] How to set up claws mail

[Neil Bothwick]

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 14:59:44 +0100, Peter Humphrey (by way of Peter
Humphrey ) wrote:

> > > Are these the ones you want?
> > 
> > Yes, I've just tried setting up Claws to connect to y Zen account and
> > it just worked. Then I looked at your screenshot and see you are
> > using a different host.  
> 
> I thought the mail host names all resolved to the same host; they always
> have in the past.

I didn't look at that, I just copied the info from my getmail config.

> > The information in this window is all I needed to configure.  
> 
> I deleted ~/.claws-mail and the mail folder and started again. It worked
> for me too this time - Just Like That (tm). I'm using claws now. The
> next thing is to work out how to use filters.

Ah yes, the filters in Claws are very powerful but not so intuitive. Look
at actions too, I do most of my filtering server side, but I couldn't do
without Actions.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Don't put all your hypes in one home page.


pgpnbnirobeTH.pgp
Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-user] How to set up claws mail

[Peter Humphrey]

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 13:48:32 +0100
Neil Bothwick  wrote:

> On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 10:12:25 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> 
> > On Thursday, 19 October 2017 18:27:41 BST Neil Bothwick wrote:  
> > > On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 10:56:18 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > > > Yes, I have all those set right. The first thing I did was to go
> > > > through all the Configuration dialogues and put values in.
> > > 
> > > Screenshots please!
> > 
> > Are these the ones you want?  
> 
> Yes, I've just tried setting up Claws to connect to y Zen account and it
> just worked. Then I looked at your screenshot and see you are using a
> different host.

I thought the mail host names all resolved to the same host; they always
have in the past.

> The information in this window is all I needed to configure.

I deleted ~/.claws-mail and the mail folder and started again. It worked
for me too this time - Just Like That (tm). I'm using claws now. The next
thing is to work out how to use filters.

Thanks Neil.

-- 
Regards,
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] How to set up claws mail

[Neil Bothwick]

On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 10:12:25 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:

> On Thursday, 19 October 2017 18:27:41 BST Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 10:56:18 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:  
> > > Yes, I have all those set right. The first thing I did was to go
> > > through all the Configuration dialogues and put values in.  
> > 
> > Screenshots please!  
> 
> Are these the ones you want?

Yes, I've just tried setting up Claws to connect to y Zen account and it
just worked. Then I looked at your screenshot and see you are using a
different host.

The information in this window is all I needed to configure.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

PCMCIA: People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms


pgpK9pVCR1sCR.pgp
Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-user] How to set up claws mail

[Peter Humphrey]

On Thursday, 19 October 2017 19:15:05 BST Mick wrote:
> On Thursday, 19 October 2017 18:27:41 BST Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 10:56:18 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > > Yes, I have all those set right. The first thing I did was to go
> > > through all the Configuration dialogues and put values in.
> > 
> > Screenshots please!
> 
> Could it be your mail provider is using OAUTH2 like Gmail does?  If so you
> will need to tweak Google's (your ISP's) security settings to allow
> non-OAuth authentication mechanisms, or look into obtaining an OAuth
> token and use this instead of your normal login passwd.

I don't think that can be it, because there's no sign of authentication 
failure in the log. This is the whole log of an attempt to fetch mail:

[09:55:57] * message: Account 'Internet Incoming': Connecting to POP3 
server: mail.zen.co.uk:995...
[09:55:57] POP3< +OK smarthost03a, Zen Internet POP3 Server Ready
[09:55:57] POP3> USER @zen.co.uk
[09:55:57] POP3< +OK Please enter your pass, with the PASS command.
[09:55:57] POP3> PASS 
[09:55:57] POP3< +OK Logged in.
[09:55:57] POP3> STAT
[09:55:58] POP3< +OK 0 0
[09:55:58] POP3> QUIT
[09:55:58] POP3< +OK Goodbye. See you again sometime :)

-- 
Regards,
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] How to set up claws mail

[Mick]

On Thursday, 19 October 2017 18:27:41 BST Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 10:56:18 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > Yes, I have all those set right. The first thing I did was to go
> > through all the Configuration dialogues and put values in.
> 
> Screenshots please!

Could it be your mail provider is using OAUTH2 like Gmail does?  If so you 
will need to tweak Google's (your ISP's) security settings to allow non-OAuth 
authentication mechanisms, or look into obtaining an OAuth token and use this 
instead of your normal login passwd.

I'm somewhat thin on the details, but if this is the cause of your problem the 
interwebs should provide steps to help with the particulars.

-- 
Regards,
Mick

signature.asc
Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: [gentoo-user] How to set up claws mail

[Neil Bothwick]

On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 10:56:18 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:

> Yes, I have all those set right. The first thing I did was to go
> through all the Configuration dialogues and put values in.

Screenshots please!


-- 
Neil Bothwick

We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million
typewriters will eventually reproduce the works of Shakespeare.
Now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true.


pgplvebowXFW3.pgp
Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-user] How to set up claws mail

[Peter Humphrey]

On Thursday, 19 October 2017 10:42:29 BST Branko Grubic wrote:

> Take a look at "Configuration > Preferences" under  "Mail Handlig >
> Receiving" in "Automatic checking" section "Check for new mail on
> start-up" is set (if you want this) (interval checking if you
> want that as well).
> 
> Also take a look at "Configuration > Edit Accounts" then select your
> account and "Edit", under "Account > Receive" is "'Get Mail' checks for
> new messages on this account" set.

Yes, I have all those set right. The first thing I did was to go through all 
the Configuration dialogues and put values in.

-- 
Regards,
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] How to set up claws mail

[Branko Grubic]

On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 10:29:52 +0100
Peter Humphrey  wrote:

> Hello list,
> 
> I'm trying to ditch KMail and switch to mail-client/claws-mail, but I
> can't see how to set it up to receive emails from my ISP. It appears
> to run, but it doesn't fetch anything. Even KMail can do that ;-)
> 
> The claws log shows me logging in, then out again without doing
> anything.
> 
> Can anyone offer the clueless a clue, please?
> 

Hi Peter,

There is no much information to understand what exactly you tried
already.
I use claws-mail for a few years now, have no issues, it's a great
mail client, but whenever I want to start fresh I do go around all
settings (general) and account and tweak things, so I don't remember
what defaults are.

Take a look at "Configuration > Preferences" under  "Mail Handlig >
Receiving" in "Automatic checking" section "Check for new mail on
start-up" is set (if you want this) (interval checking if you
want that as well).

Also take a look at "Configuration > Edit Accounts" then select your
account and "Edit", under "Account > Receive" is "'Get Mail' checks for
new messages on this account" set.

Regards,
Branko