Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and NetworkManager
On 17 July 2013 15:03, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 02:18:22PM +0200, András Csányi wrote: On 17 July 2013 13:59, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 10:04:12AM +0200, András Csányi wrote: mingdao@jeremiah ~ $ grep plugdev /usr/portage/net-misc/wicd/wicd-1.7.2.4-r* mingdao@jeremiah ~ $ grep users /usr/portage/net-misc/wicd/wicd-1.7.2.4-r* /usr/portage/net-misc/wicd/wicd-1.7.2.4-r2.ebuild: ewarn Wicd-1.6 and newer requires your user to be in the 'users' group. If /usr/portage/net-misc/wicd/wicd-1.7.2.4-r3.ebuild: ewarn Wicd-1.6 and newer requires your user to be in the 'users' group. If Ok. How is possible to get the post-install message of an ebuild without re-emerge the package neither opening the log file? The man page of emerge cannot say anything about it. Read the pkg_postinst portion of the ebuild. Great! If you have installed app-portage/elogv issue elogv and find the desired package. Thanks, I'll check it! Two quick ways off the top of my head after the first cup of coffee. ;) The magic is coming from coffee, I know! :) Since reading the ebuild is not the _friendly_ way to get this information, let me help you install the software to make this easy... emerge -ajv app-portage/elogv (ncurses, which is text with colors) or emerge -ajv app-portage/elogviewer (GTK+ based utility, perhaps with GUI) Now add these lines to /etc/portage/make.conf (/etc/make.conf on old systems) PORTAGE_ELOG_SYSTEM=save PORTAGE_ELOG_CLASSES=warn error info log qa Then create this directory as root with this command: mkdir -p /var/log/portage/elog Then as root add your normal user to the portage group with this command: gpasswd -a username portage (replace username with your normal user's name and do not use the Then issue: newgrp as that user or logout of Linux and log back in (you do _not_ need to reboot). Then you can issue elogv or start elogviewer from the desktop entry and read the logs of your files. Hope this helps. Happy Gentooing! Thanks for the help! This solution gives me what I want. -- -- Csanyi Andras (Sayusi Ando) -- http://sayusi.hu -- http://facebook.com/andras.csanyi -- Trust in God and keep your gunpowder dry! - Cromwell
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and NetworkManager
On 17 July 2013 14:49, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 01:39:36PM +0200, András Csányi wrote:
On 17 July 2013 11:35, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 10:04:12 +0200, András Csányi wrote:
Ok. How is possible to get the post-install message of an ebuild
without re-emerge the package neither opening the log file? The man
page of emerge cannot say anything about it.
Read the ebuild.
I don't think this is a friendly solution in 2013.
What would _you_ consider friendly? Gentoo is a source based Linux
distribution. That means _all_ your software is built from source; however, it
is _your_ responsibility to customize this software to make it work best for
your computer's hardware, and your software usage. Gentoo is _not_ a binary
distribution where every package has been built for the lowest common
denominator of computer, so that it works on almost anyone's computer just by
clicking the Install button, or some such {easy,friendly} solution.
When I sad that to read the ebuild is not user friendly I thought of
that it should be a better solution to get post install message than
open the ebuild and read it. The elogv is fine for me.
The definition of something is user friendly has many layers in my
head and it up to the role I play.
When we speak about gentoo and I configure my system than I play *nix
system administrator like role where I have to deal my task using
terminal. However, the fact that I use terminal to achieve what I want
does not exclude there are usable tools to get information easily
and/or feasible.
The other role I play when I use my system as a user or I develop my
java stuff or I want watch a movie. Then I really don't want to deal
with terminal except maven. I want the click-way user experience.
The good is that gentoo is able to give me both experience. It is not
smarter than it is expected - like Windows or Ubuntu -, but not a
rock. I mean the portage system and tools give lot of help to heal
the system if I messed up something.
If you were to install software on another Linux distribution, for which there
was no package prebuilt for that package manager, you would basically:
download source
untar source
cd source-directory
./configure -help (and read the options)
write your own build script with your options
make
make install
(or whatever method for that software and distro)
You would also be responsible for reading to find out where to install the
software, what dependencies it requires, what permissions and groups should be
used, etc.
Gentoo has provided all this for you, but you must learn The Gentoo Way (TM)
in order to Make It Work (TM). You seem to be lacking a proper understanding
in that area.
No, I don't. Or I don't think so. Rather I was lazy to do it or I
missed the attitude of my question. I have been using Gentoo since
2006 and I love it. Unfortunately, I moved toward programming part of
IT from system administrating.
If you installed Gentoo using the Gentoo Handbook (why would you not?), then
you should have read: 12. Where to go from here? And there you would read this
sentence: You should definitely take a look at the next part of the Gentoo
Handbook entitled Working with Gentoo which explains how to keep your software
up to date, how to install more software, what USE flags are, how the Gentoo
init system works, etc.
There is a lot of information there, and a lot to learn. But I find that
_most_ people _stop_ reading the Handbook at that point, and begin their
learning by trial and error. That is acceptable, even friendly, but it might
take you _much_longer_ to get that information than simply reading the book.
You are absolutely right! I stopped to reading the handbook there and
I'm learning the system the way you described. It is my
responsibility. I read the mailing list to pick up knowledge about
different area of the whole.
If you hang out in #gentoo on FreeNode you will be able to learn a _lot_ of
what you read on this mailing list in a much shorter time. In fact, you can
log the channel, and use that as another option to _search_ for support
answers. Often I will issue:
grep wicd irclogs/#gentoo.log
and maybe:
grep postinst irclogs/#gentoo.log
to find some answers. Then maybe that search will lead me to issue:
awk '/iamben/ /postinst/ { print }' irclogs/#gentoo.log
because my previous search revealed that iamben gave a lot of answers
concerning postinst and people got their question answered.
Last but not least, there are search engines, such as Google. Just open your
web browser to http://.google.com and type post-install message of an
ebuild and see if any of the results answers your question. The first hit for
me was Gentoo Development Guide: Messages, which for me was simple and easy
to read, but might not be so for you if you have no experience reading/writing
ebuilds. The second hit was Gentoo Forums ::
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and NetworkManager
On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 09:35:52 +0200, András Csányi wrote: Ok. How is possible to get the post-install message of an ebuild without re-emerge the package neither opening the log file? The man page of emerge cannot say anything about it. When I sad that to read the ebuild is not user friendly I thought of that it should be a better solution to get post install message than open the ebuild and read it. The elogv is fine for me. Elogv is a log viewer, you specifically stated that you did not wish to read the log files, hence the read the ebuild suggestion. Although I have portage save the logs, I rarely look at them because I also have it mail them to me. That way they are easy to read and hard to ignore. -- Neil Bothwick Having children will turn you into your parents. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and NetworkManager
On 19 July 2013 10:17, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 09:35:52 +0200, András Csányi wrote: Ok. How is possible to get the post-install message of an ebuild without re-emerge the package neither opening the log file? The man page of emerge cannot say anything about it. When I sad that to read the ebuild is not user friendly I thought of that it should be a better solution to get post install message than open the ebuild and read it. The elogv is fine for me. Elogv is a log viewer, you specifically stated that you did not wish to read the log files, hence the read the ebuild suggestion. Yes, you are right. I wrote that. The meaning of that was: - I don't want to open a log file manually - I don't want to browse the log file to find what I need - I don't want to burn my time to put raw the information into context in order to it would be easy to understand Elogv does what I described above for me. This is the reason why I say that it is perfect for me. Although I have portage save the logs, I rarely look at them because I also have it mail them to me. That way they are easy to read and hard to ignore. -- -- Csanyi Andras (Sayusi Ando) -- http://sayusi.hu -- http://facebook.com/andras.csanyi -- Trust in God and keep your gunpowder dry! - Cromwell
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and NetworkManager
On 16 July 2013 20:20, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:09:46PM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
The ebuild says it:
src_prepare() {
DOC_CONTENTS=To modify system network connections without needing
to enter the
root password, add your user account to the 'plugdev'
group.
When you install it, a message appears with that text.
Which wicd-version ebuild did you pull _that_ text from?
mingdao@jeremiah ~ $ grep plugdev /usr/portage/net-misc/wicd/wicd-1.7.2.4-r*
mingdao@jeremiah ~ $ grep users /usr/portage/net-misc/wicd/wicd-1.7.2.4-r*
/usr/portage/net-misc/wicd/wicd-1.7.2.4-r2.ebuild: ewarn
Wicd-1.6 and newer requires your user to be in the 'users' group. If
/usr/portage/net-misc/wicd/wicd-1.7.2.4-r3.ebuild: ewarn
Wicd-1.6 and newer requires your user to be in the 'users' group. If
Ok. How is possible to get the post-install message of an ebuild
without re-emerge the package neither opening the log file? The man
page of emerge cannot say anything about it.
--
-- Csanyi Andras (Sayusi Ando) -- http://sayusi.hu --
http://facebook.com/andras.csanyi
-- Trust in God and keep your gunpowder dry! - Cromwell
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and NetworkManager
2013/7/17 András Csányi sayusi.a...@sayusi.hu:
On 16 July 2013 20:20, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:09:46PM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
The ebuild says it:
src_prepare() {
DOC_CONTENTS=To modify system network connections without needing
to enter the
root password, add your user account to the 'plugdev'
group.
When you install it, a message appears with that text.
Which wicd-version ebuild did you pull _that_ text from?
mingdao@jeremiah ~ $ grep plugdev /usr/portage/net-misc/wicd/wicd-1.7.2.4-r*
mingdao@jeremiah ~ $ grep users /usr/portage/net-misc/wicd/wicd-1.7.2.4-r*
/usr/portage/net-misc/wicd/wicd-1.7.2.4-r2.ebuild: ewarn
Wicd-1.6 and newer requires your user to be in the 'users' group. If
/usr/portage/net-misc/wicd/wicd-1.7.2.4-r3.ebuild: ewarn
Wicd-1.6 and newer requires your user to be in the 'users' group. If
Ok. How is possible to get the post-install message of an ebuild
without re-emerge the package neither opening the log file? The man
page of emerge cannot say anything about it.
There are 2 programs reading emerge log files and displaying them in
an aesy format: elogv (ncurses) and elogviwer (X).
It is necessary to have the variables PORTAGE_ELOG_CLASSES and
PORTAGE_ELOG_SYSTEM set properly for get these program to work, for
example:
PORTAGE_ELOG_CLASSES=warn error log
PORTAGE_ELOG_SYSTEM=save
--
Regards,
Alex
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and NetworkManager
2013/7/17 Алексей Мишустин shum...@shumkar.ru: There are 2 programs reading emerge log files and displaying them in an aesy format: elogv (ncurses) and elogviwer (X). elogviewer It is necessary to have the variables PORTAGE_ELOG_CLASSES and PORTAGE_ELOG_SYSTEM set properly for get these program to work, for example: PORTAGE_ELOG_CLASSES=warn error log PORTAGE_ELOG_SYSTEM=save -- Regards, Elex
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and NetworkManager
On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 10:04:12 +0200, András Csányi wrote: Ok. How is possible to get the post-install message of an ebuild without re-emerge the package neither opening the log file? The man page of emerge cannot say anything about it. Read the ebuild. -- Neil Bothwick Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don't. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and NetworkManager
On 17 July 2013 11:35, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 10:04:12 +0200, András Csányi wrote: Ok. How is possible to get the post-install message of an ebuild without re-emerge the package neither opening the log file? The man page of emerge cannot say anything about it. Read the ebuild. I don't think this is a friendly solution in 2013. -- -- Csanyi Andras (Sayusi Ando) -- http://sayusi.hu -- http://facebook.com/andras.csanyi -- Trust in God and keep your gunpowder dry! - Cromwell
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and NetworkManager
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 10:04:12AM +0200, András Csányi wrote: mingdao@jeremiah ~ $ grep plugdev /usr/portage/net-misc/wicd/wicd-1.7.2.4-r* mingdao@jeremiah ~ $ grep users /usr/portage/net-misc/wicd/wicd-1.7.2.4-r* /usr/portage/net-misc/wicd/wicd-1.7.2.4-r2.ebuild: ewarn Wicd-1.6 and newer requires your user to be in the 'users' group. If /usr/portage/net-misc/wicd/wicd-1.7.2.4-r3.ebuild: ewarn Wicd-1.6 and newer requires your user to be in the 'users' group. If Ok. How is possible to get the post-install message of an ebuild without re-emerge the package neither opening the log file? The man page of emerge cannot say anything about it. Read the pkg_postinst portion of the ebuild. If you have installed app-portage/elogv issue elogv and find the desired package. Two quick ways off the top of my head after the first cup of coffee. ;) -- Happy Penguin Computers ') 126 Fenco Drive ( \ Tupelo, MS 38801 ^^ supp...@happypenguincomputers.com 662-269-2706 662-205-6424 http://happypenguincomputers.com/ A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and NetworkManager
On 17 July 2013 13:59, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 10:04:12AM +0200, András Csányi wrote: mingdao@jeremiah ~ $ grep plugdev /usr/portage/net-misc/wicd/wicd-1.7.2.4-r* mingdao@jeremiah ~ $ grep users /usr/portage/net-misc/wicd/wicd-1.7.2.4-r* /usr/portage/net-misc/wicd/wicd-1.7.2.4-r2.ebuild: ewarn Wicd-1.6 and newer requires your user to be in the 'users' group. If /usr/portage/net-misc/wicd/wicd-1.7.2.4-r3.ebuild: ewarn Wicd-1.6 and newer requires your user to be in the 'users' group. If Ok. How is possible to get the post-install message of an ebuild without re-emerge the package neither opening the log file? The man page of emerge cannot say anything about it. Read the pkg_postinst portion of the ebuild. Great! If you have installed app-portage/elogv issue elogv and find the desired package. Thanks, I'll check it! Two quick ways off the top of my head after the first cup of coffee. ;) The magic is coming from coffee, I know! :) -- -- Csanyi Andras (Sayusi Ando) -- http://sayusi.hu -- http://facebook.com/andras.csanyi -- Trust in God and keep your gunpowder dry! - Cromwell
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and NetworkManager
On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 13:39:36 +0200, András Csányi wrote: Ok. How is possible to get the post-install message of an ebuild without re-emerge the package neither opening the log file? The man page of emerge cannot say anything about it. Read the ebuild. I don't think this is a friendly solution in 2013. It isn't. The friendly solution is to have portage log this to a file or email it to you, but you ruled out those methods, leaving only the unfriendly but effective option. -- Neil Bothwick Top Oxymorons Number 36: Alone together signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and NetworkManager
On 17 July 2013 14:35, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 13:39:36 +0200, András Csányi wrote: Ok. How is possible to get the post-install message of an ebuild without re-emerge the package neither opening the log file? The man page of emerge cannot say anything about it. Read the ebuild. I don't think this is a friendly solution in 2013. It isn't. The friendly solution is to have portage log this to a file or email it to you, but you ruled out those methods, leaving only the unfriendly but effective option. I know it is my bad I haven't paid any attention to go deeper this part of the gentoo system. To be honest, it haven't caused any pain for me till yesterday. Lesson is learned. -- -- Csanyi Andras (Sayusi Ando) -- http://sayusi.hu -- http://facebook.com/andras.csanyi -- Trust in God and keep your gunpowder dry! - Cromwell
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and NetworkManager
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 01:39:36PM +0200, András Csányi wrote:
On 17 July 2013 11:35, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 10:04:12 +0200, András Csányi wrote:
Ok. How is possible to get the post-install message of an ebuild
without re-emerge the package neither opening the log file? The man
page of emerge cannot say anything about it.
Read the ebuild.
I don't think this is a friendly solution in 2013.
What would _you_ consider friendly? Gentoo is a source based Linux
distribution. That means _all_ your software is built from source; however, it
is _your_ responsibility to customize this software to make it work best for
your computer's hardware, and your software usage. Gentoo is _not_ a binary
distribution where every package has been built for the lowest common
denominator of computer, so that it works on almost anyone's computer just by
clicking the Install button, or some such {easy,friendly} solution.
If you were to install software on another Linux distribution, for which there
was no package prebuilt for that package manager, you would basically:
download source
untar source
cd source-directory
./configure -help (and read the options)
write your own build script with your options
make
make install
(or whatever method for that software and distro)
You would also be responsible for reading to find out where to install the
software, what dependencies it requires, what permissions and groups should be
used, etc.
Gentoo has provided all this for you, but you must learn The Gentoo Way (TM)
in order to Make It Work (TM). You seem to be lacking a proper understanding
in that area.
If you installed Gentoo using the Gentoo Handbook (why would you not?), then
you should have read: 12. Where to go from here? And there you would read this
sentence: You should definitely take a look at the next part of the Gentoo
Handbook entitled Working with Gentoo which explains how to keep your software
up to date, how to install more software, what USE flags are, how the Gentoo
init system works, etc.
There is a lot of information there, and a lot to learn. But I find that
_most_ people _stop_ reading the Handbook at that point, and begin their
learning by trial and error. That is acceptable, even friendly, but it might
take you _much_longer_ to get that information than simply reading the book.
If you hang out in #gentoo on FreeNode you will be able to learn a _lot_ of
what you read on this mailing list in a much shorter time. In fact, you can
log the channel, and use that as another option to _search_ for support
answers. Often I will issue:
grep wicd irclogs/#gentoo.log
and maybe:
grep postinst irclogs/#gentoo.log
to find some answers. Then maybe that search will lead me to issue:
awk '/iamben/ /postinst/ { print }' irclogs/#gentoo.log
because my previous search revealed that iamben gave a lot of answers
concerning postinst and people got their question answered.
Last but not least, there are search engines, such as Google. Just open your
web browser to http://.google.com and type post-install message of an
ebuild and see if any of the results answers your question. The first hit for
me was Gentoo Development Guide: Messages, which for me was simple and easy
to read, but might not be so for you if you have no experience reading/writing
ebuilds. The second hit was Gentoo Forums :: View topic - How to read emerge
messages? (I ... which gave 'friendly' answers to your question. (Which you
already got on this list, also.)
Gentoo is not considered a user friendly distro in 2013 by many people. The
primary reason is that _most_ people have been trained to point and click
but never _read_ anything. Those are the people for whom Mark Shuttleworth
designed Ubuntu Linux.
Gentoo wasn't designed for the point and click crowd. Read
http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/about.xml to get a better idea of Gentoo's
intended audience.
Cheers,
Bruce
--
Happy Penguin Computers ')
126 Fenco Drive ( \
Tupelo, MS 38801 ^^
supp...@happypenguincomputers.com
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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and NetworkManager
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 02:18:22PM +0200, András Csányi wrote: On 17 July 2013 13:59, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 10:04:12AM +0200, András Csányi wrote: mingdao@jeremiah ~ $ grep plugdev /usr/portage/net-misc/wicd/wicd-1.7.2.4-r* mingdao@jeremiah ~ $ grep users /usr/portage/net-misc/wicd/wicd-1.7.2.4-r* /usr/portage/net-misc/wicd/wicd-1.7.2.4-r2.ebuild: ewarn Wicd-1.6 and newer requires your user to be in the 'users' group. If /usr/portage/net-misc/wicd/wicd-1.7.2.4-r3.ebuild: ewarn Wicd-1.6 and newer requires your user to be in the 'users' group. If Ok. How is possible to get the post-install message of an ebuild without re-emerge the package neither opening the log file? The man page of emerge cannot say anything about it. Read the pkg_postinst portion of the ebuild. Great! If you have installed app-portage/elogv issue elogv and find the desired package. Thanks, I'll check it! Two quick ways off the top of my head after the first cup of coffee. ;) The magic is coming from coffee, I know! :) Since reading the ebuild is not the _friendly_ way to get this information, let me help you install the software to make this easy... emerge -ajv app-portage/elogv (ncurses, which is text with colors) or emerge -ajv app-portage/elogviewer (GTK+ based utility, perhaps with GUI) Now add these lines to /etc/portage/make.conf (/etc/make.conf on old systems) PORTAGE_ELOG_SYSTEM=save PORTAGE_ELOG_CLASSES=warn error info log qa Then create this directory as root with this command: mkdir -p /var/log/portage/elog Then as root add your normal user to the portage group with this command: gpasswd -a username portage (replace username with your normal user's name and do not use the Then issue: newgrp as that user or logout of Linux and log back in (you do _not_ need to reboot). Then you can issue elogv or start elogviewer from the desktop entry and read the logs of your files. Hope this helps. Happy Gentooing! Bruce -- Happy Penguin Computers ') 126 Fenco Drive ( \ Tupelo, MS 38801 ^^ supp...@happypenguincomputers.com 662-269-2706 662-205-6424 http://happypenguincomputers.com/ A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and NetworkManager
On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 08:03:29 -0500, Bruce Hill wrote: PORTAGE_ELOG_SYSTEM=save PORTAGE_ELOG_CLASSES=warn error info log qa I wouldn't include qa, that's just noise for users. -- Neil Bothwick Deja Moo: The feeling that you heard this bull somewhere before. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and NetworkManager
* Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com [130715 15:09]: On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: unmerge nm and everything associated with it. Comment out all lines in /etc/conf.d/net emerge wicd with the USE flags of your choice. All your problems will instantly go away, stay away, and wicd will do the right thing always for networking. I promise. If the problem is that the user is not in the plugdev group, it will also happen with wicd, which makes this one of the worsts pieces of advice I have seen in this list. Which is a lot to say. Hardly networkmanager is a horribly broken piece of shit that per user reports never seems to actually work for people. It works for me. In all kind of networks in several continents, with all kind of WEP, WPA, and WPA2 networks, connecting through my cellphone and obviously with ethernet too. It seems to work for very simple network setups that don't change often. Funny you said that Alan, when was the last time you heard about a problem with NM in the list? I count less than 20 mails *mentioning* NM in the list in 2013, and none of them are (IIRC) direct problems with NM. Most of us who have found out how horrible NM is have stopped using it long ago so you don't see us posting with problems. You should not use software like that. You should do a little more research before saying something like that about a piece of software that just works most of the time. As long as we're telling people what to do I'll tell you to step out of your ivory tower once in a while to get a broader picture of the world. Todd
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and NetworkManager
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 08:16:23AM -0400, Todd Goodman wrote: * Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com [130715 15:09]: On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: unmerge nm and everything associated with it. Comment out all lines in /etc/conf.d/net emerge wicd with the USE flags of your choice. All your problems will instantly go away, stay away, and wicd will do the right thing always for networking. I promise. If the problem is that the user is not in the plugdev group, it will also happen with wicd, which makes this one of the worsts pieces of advice I have seen in this list. Which is a lot to say. Hardly networkmanager is a horribly broken piece of shit that per user reports never seems to actually work for people. It works for me. In all kind of networks in several continents, with all kind of WEP, WPA, and WPA2 networks, connecting through my cellphone and obviously with ethernet too. It seems to work for very simple network setups that don't change often. Funny you said that Alan, when was the last time you heard about a problem with NM in the list? I count less than 20 mails *mentioning* NM in the list in 2013, and none of them are (IIRC) direct problems with NM. Most of us who have found out how horrible NM is have stopped using it long ago so you don't see us posting with problems. You should not use software like that. You should do a little more research before saying something like that about a piece of software that just works most of the time. As long as we're telling people what to do I'll tell you to step out of your ivory tower once in a while to get a broader picture of the world. Todd ack! -- Happy Penguin Computers ') 126 Fenco Drive ( \ Tupelo, MS 38801 ^^ supp...@happypenguincomputers.com 662-269-2706 662-205-6424 http://happypenguincomputers.com/ A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and NetworkManager
On 15 July 2013 21:08, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 15/07/2013 18:44, András Csányi wrote: Hi All, I would like to get some help regarding networkmanager and KDE. I have installed the networkmanager package on my machine and I also have networkmanagement kde application installed. My problem is that as a user I'm not able to abb network connection using network manager in kde. There is no way to run this application as root and I'm not able to login as root into KDE. Is your user included in the plugdev group, as the networkmanager ebuild recommends? No. It was not part of that group. The install was a part of a bigger set of packages and I haven't read the output. It is my bad. on the other hand, the tutorial why does not mention about anything? I added the the user to that group and the wicd working well. I dropped networkmanager as far as it was possible. It is part of the unity environment. At the moment I don't have any network connection on that machine. If I want it then I have to remove networkmanager package and let the rc-process to handle the networks. Is there a place where that is described how possible to solve this issue? Is there a tutorial about networkmanager where the configuration is described or something like this? What right is needed or something? I have googled a few hours but I haven't found anything. Again, try adding your user to the plugdev group. I appreciate your help! unmerge nm and everything associated with it. Comment out all lines in /etc/conf.d/net emerge wicd with the USE flags of your choice. All your problems will instantly go away, stay away, and wicd will do the right thing always for networking. I promise. If the problem is that the user is not in the plugdev group, it will also happen with wicd, which makes this one of the worsts pieces of advice I have seen in this list. Which is a lot to say. Yes, it happened the same with wicd as well. After I added the user to the plugdev group everything is working fine. networkmanager is a horribly broken piece of shit that per user reports never seems to actually work for people. It works for me. In all kind of networks in several continents, with all kind of WEP, WPA, and WPA2 networks, connecting through my cellphone and obviously with ethernet too. Funny you said that Alan, when was the last time you heard about a problem with NM in the list? I count less than 20 mails *mentioning* NM in the list in 2013, and none of them are (IIRC) direct problems with NM. You should not use software like that. You should do a little more research before saying something like that about a piece of software that just works most of the time. I understand Alan feelings. The strange is that Ubuntu use wicd. I don't know whether by default or not. -- -- Csanyi Andras (Sayusi Ando) -- http://sayusi.hu -- http://facebook.com/andras.csanyi -- Trust in God and keep your gunpowder dry! - Cromwell
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and NetworkManager
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 11:59 AM, András Csányi sayusi.a...@sayusi.huwrote:
On 15 July 2013 21:08, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 15/07/2013 18:44, András Csányi wrote:
Hi All,
I would like to get some help regarding networkmanager and KDE.
I have installed the networkmanager package on my machine and I also
have networkmanagement kde application installed. My problem is that
as a user I'm not able to abb network connection using network manager
in kde. There is no way to run this application as root and I'm not
able to login as root into KDE.
Is your user included in the plugdev group, as the networkmanager
ebuild recommends?
No. It was not part of that group. The install was a part of a bigger
set of packages and I haven't read the output. It is my bad. on the
other hand, the tutorial why does not mention about anything?
The ebuild says it:
src_prepare() {
DOC_CONTENTS=To modify system network connections without needing
to enter the
root password, add your user account to the 'plugdev'
group.
When you install it, a message appears with that text.
I added the the user to that group and the wicd working well. I
dropped networkmanager as far as it was possible. It is part of the
unity environment.
Actually is part of GNOME, like pretty much everything behind the curtains
in Unity.
At the moment I don't have any network connection on that machine. If
I want it then I have to remove networkmanager package and let the
rc-process to handle the networks.
Is there a place where that is described how possible to solve this
issue? Is there a tutorial about networkmanager where the
configuration is described or something like this? What right is
needed or something? I have googled a few hours but I haven't found
anything.
Again, try adding your user to the plugdev group.
I appreciate your help!
unmerge nm and everything associated with it.
Comment out all lines in /etc/conf.d/net
emerge wicd with the USE flags of your choice.
All your problems will instantly go away, stay away, and wicd will do
the right thing always for networking. I promise.
If the problem is that the user is not in the plugdev group, it will
also happen with wicd, which makes this one of the worsts pieces of
advice I have seen in this list. Which is a lot to say.
Yes, it happened the same with wicd as well. After I added the user to
the plugdev group everything is working fine.
Thought so.
networkmanager is a horribly broken piece of shit that per user reports
never seems to actually work for people.
It works for me. In all kind of networks in several continents, with
all kind of WEP, WPA, and WPA2 networks, connecting through my
cellphone and obviously with ethernet too.
Funny you said that Alan, when was the last time you heard about a
problem with NM in the list? I count less than 20 mails *mentioning*
NM in the list in 2013, and none of them are (IIRC) direct problems
with NM.
You should not use software like that.
You should do a little more research before saying something like that
about a piece of software that just works most of the time.
I understand Alan feelings. The strange is that Ubuntu use wicd. I
don't know whether by default or not.
I didn't knew Unity used wicd. Glad to hear it worked.
Regards.
--
Canek Peláez Valdés
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and NetworkManager
On 16/07/2013 18:59, András Csányi wrote: You should do a little more research before saying something like that about a piece of software that just works most of the time. I understand Alan feelings. The strange is that Ubuntu use wicd. I don't know whether by default or not. Are you saying that recent Ubuntu now uses wicd? -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and NetworkManager
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 06:59:00PM +0200, András Csányi wrote: At the moment I don't have any network connection on that machine. If I want it then I have to remove networkmanager package and let the rc-process to handle the networks. Is there a place where that is described how possible to solve this issue? Is there a tutorial about networkmanager where the configuration is described or something like this? What right is needed or something? I have googled a few hours but I haven't found anything. Again, try adding your user to the plugdev group. I appreciate your help! unmerge nm and everything associated with it. Comment out all lines in /etc/conf.d/net emerge wicd with the USE flags of your choice. All your problems will instantly go away, stay away, and wicd will do the right thing always for networking. I promise. If the problem is that the user is not in the plugdev group, it will also happen with wicd, which makes this one of the worsts pieces of advice I have seen in this list. Which is a lot to say. Yes, it happened the same with wicd as well. After I added the user to the plugdev group everything is working fine. From wicd-1.6 and onward you're not required to be in plugdev, but users group. The present stable wicd in net-misc/wicd-1.7.2.4-r2 Read the postinst messages for all the apps you install. For that package: /var/log/portage/elog/net-misc\:wicd-1.7.2.4-r2\:20130419-223012.log It's nice to install app-portage/elogv and issue elogv to view elogs created by Portage (read it's log, also). Cheers, Bruce -- Happy Penguin Computers ') 126 Fenco Drive ( \ Tupelo, MS 38801 ^^ supp...@happypenguincomputers.com 662-269-2706 662-205-6424 http://happypenguincomputers.com/ A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and NetworkManager
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:09:46PM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
The ebuild says it:
src_prepare() {
DOC_CONTENTS=To modify system network connections without needing
to enter the
root password, add your user account to the 'plugdev'
group.
When you install it, a message appears with that text.
Which wicd-version ebuild did you pull _that_ text from?
mingdao@jeremiah ~ $ grep plugdev /usr/portage/net-misc/wicd/wicd-1.7.2.4-r*
mingdao@jeremiah ~ $ grep users /usr/portage/net-misc/wicd/wicd-1.7.2.4-r*
/usr/portage/net-misc/wicd/wicd-1.7.2.4-r2.ebuild: ewarn Wicd-1.6
and newer requires your user to be in the 'users' group. If
/usr/portage/net-misc/wicd/wicd-1.7.2.4-r3.ebuild: ewarn Wicd-1.6
and newer requires your user to be in the 'users' group. If
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Happy Penguin Computers ')
126 Fenco Drive ( \
Tupelo, MS 38801 ^^
supp...@happypenguincomputers.com
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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and NetworkManager
On 16 July 2013 19:43, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 16/07/2013 18:59, András Csányi wrote: You should do a little more research before saying something like that about a piece of software that just works most of the time. I understand Alan feelings. The strange is that Ubuntu use wicd. I don't know whether by default or not. Are you saying that recent Ubuntu now uses wicd? I took a look at my girlfriend's laptop, she uses Ubuntu. At first sight I saw the same as I have on my machine. I mean graphical stuff and etc. That is the reason why I sad that I don't know whether by default or she had some hack on her machine. Once she arrive home I check it again. -- -- Csanyi Andras (Sayusi Ando) -- http://sayusi.hu -- http://facebook.com/andras.csanyi -- Trust in God and keep your gunpowder dry! - Cromwell
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and NetworkManager
On 16 July 2013, at 19:20, Bruce Hill wrote:
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:09:46PM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
The ebuild says it:
src_prepare() {
DOC_CONTENTS=To modify system network connections without needing
to enter the
root password, add your user account to the 'plugdev'
group.
When you install it, a message appears with that text.
Which wicd-version ebuild did you pull _that_ text from?
mingdao@jeremiah ~ $ grep plugdev /usr/portage/net-misc/wicd/wicd-1.7.2.4-r*
mingdao@jeremiah ~ $ grep users /usr/portage/net-misc/wicd/wicd-1.7.2.4-r*
/usr/portage/net-misc/wicd/wicd-1.7.2.4-r2.ebuild:ewarn Wicd-1.6
and newer requires your user to be in the 'users' group. If
/usr/portage/net-misc/wicd/wicd-1.7.2.4-r3.ebuild:ewarn Wicd-1.6
and newer requires your user to be in the 'users' group. If
He didn't. This thread is about getting NetworkManager working.
I'm not sure why you imagine wicd should be relevant.
Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and NetworkManager
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 07:47:23PM +0100, Stroller wrote: He didn't. This thread is about getting NetworkManager working. I'm not sure why you imagine wicd should be relevant. Unless it's because his English isn't clear and I misread it, the OP seemed to follow earlier advice to remove nm from his system and install wicd. -- Happy Penguin Computers ') 126 Fenco Drive ( \ Tupelo, MS 38801 ^^ supp...@happypenguincomputers.com 662-269-2706 662-205-6424 http://happypenguincomputers.com/ A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and NetworkManager
On 15/07/2013 18:44, András Csányi wrote: Hi All, I would like to get some help regarding networkmanager and KDE. I have installed the networkmanager package on my machine and I also have networkmanagement kde application installed. My problem is that as a user I'm not able to abb network connection using network manager in kde. There is no way to run this application as root and I'm not able to login as root into KDE. At the moment I don't have any network connection on that machine. If I want it then I have to remove networkmanager package and let the rc-process to handle the networks. Is there a place where that is described how possible to solve this issue? Is there a tutorial about networkmanager where the configuration is described or something like this? What right is needed or something? I have googled a few hours but I haven't found anything. I appreciate your help! unmerge nm and everything associated with it. Comment out all lines in /etc/conf.d/net emerge wicd with the USE flags of your choice. All your problems will instantly go away, stay away, and wicd will do the right thing always for networking. I promise. networkmanager is a horribly broken piece of shit that per user reports never seems to actually work for people. You should not use software like that. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and NetworkManager
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 11:44 AM, András Csányi sayusi.a...@sayusi.huwrote: Hi All, I would like to get some help regarding networkmanager and KDE. I have installed the networkmanager package on my machine and I also have networkmanagement kde application installed. My problem is that as a user I'm not able to abb network connection using network manager in kde. There is no way to run this application as root and I'm not able to login as root into KDE. At the moment I don't have any network connection on that machine. If I want it then I have to remove networkmanager package and let the rc-process to handle the networks. Is there a place where that is described how possible to solve this issue? Is there a tutorial about networkmanager where the configuration is described or something like this? What right is needed or something? I have googled a few hours but I haven't found anything. I appreciate your help! András -- -- Csanyi Andras (Sayusi Ando) -- http://sayusi.hu -- http://facebook.com/andras.csanyi -- Trust in God and keep your gunpowder dry! - Cromwell Have you read the gentoo wiki: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/NetworkManager Follow the guide, and add the network management plasma widget, it should let you manage different networks. I have it in my laptop and works fine with ethernet, wifi, and a usb modem. -- Andrés Becerra Sandoval
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and NetworkManager
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 15/07/2013 18:44, András Csányi wrote: Hi All, I would like to get some help regarding networkmanager and KDE. I have installed the networkmanager package on my machine and I also have networkmanagement kde application installed. My problem is that as a user I'm not able to abb network connection using network manager in kde. There is no way to run this application as root and I'm not able to login as root into KDE. Is your user included in the plugdev group, as the networkmanager ebuild recommends? At the moment I don't have any network connection on that machine. If I want it then I have to remove networkmanager package and let the rc-process to handle the networks. Is there a place where that is described how possible to solve this issue? Is there a tutorial about networkmanager where the configuration is described or something like this? What right is needed or something? I have googled a few hours but I haven't found anything. Again, try adding your user to the plugdev group. I appreciate your help! unmerge nm and everything associated with it. Comment out all lines in /etc/conf.d/net emerge wicd with the USE flags of your choice. All your problems will instantly go away, stay away, and wicd will do the right thing always for networking. I promise. If the problem is that the user is not in the plugdev group, it will also happen with wicd, which makes this one of the worsts pieces of advice I have seen in this list. Which is a lot to say. networkmanager is a horribly broken piece of shit that per user reports never seems to actually work for people. It works for me. In all kind of networks in several continents, with all kind of WEP, WPA, and WPA2 networks, connecting through my cellphone and obviously with ethernet too. Funny you said that Alan, when was the last time you heard about a problem with NM in the list? I count less than 20 mails *mentioning* NM in the list in 2013, and none of them are (IIRC) direct problems with NM. You should not use software like that. You should do a little more research before saying something like that about a piece of software that just works most of the time. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
