Re: [gentoo-user] kdemultimedia-arts-3.5.10 and the arts flag
On Saturday 14 November 2009 01:17:13 Dale wrote: Just picking on this one since it is newer. ;-) I finally got through the other stuff, with arts enabled since it griped about the change before, and I am now disabling arts. I think it wanted it so badly because I was doing a preserved-rebuild and other packages had it enabled. I don't guess a -N option would take on that emerge. I think I did this once before and my sound disappeared. Everything went mute so I may be back. It may just be a setting in KDE or something that needs changing. That was a while ago to. I barely remember it. Then again, maybe it wasn't sooo long ago. What did I have for breakfast today? ^_^ The only reason arts ever existed at all was to do sound mixing in software in the days when hardware generally did not do that. These days alsa takes care of all of that. OSS-4 does a better job I hear, but in any case you do not need arts. If you did, how would it be possible to hear sound in a flash video in a browser on a non-KDE system? -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] kdemultimedia-arts-3.5.10 and the arts flag
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Saturday 14 November 2009 01:17:13 Dale wrote: Just picking on this one since it is newer. ;-) I finally got through the other stuff, with arts enabled since it griped about the change before, and I am now disabling arts. I think it wanted it so badly because I was doing a preserved-rebuild and other packages had it enabled. I don't guess a -N option would take on that emerge. I think I did this once before and my sound disappeared. Everything went mute so I may be back. It may just be a setting in KDE or something that needs changing. That was a while ago to. I barely remember it. Then again, maybe it wasn't sooo long ago. What did I have for breakfast today? ^_^ The only reason arts ever existed at all was to do sound mixing in software in the days when hardware generally did not do that. These days alsa takes care of all of that. OSS-4 does a better job I hear, but in any case you do not need arts. If you did, how would it be possible to hear sound in a flash video in a browser on a non-KDE system? And I think that was my problem. It would only play one sound at a time and some things hogged up the sound system. Mine makes a sound when I change desktops for instance and it would hold onto the sound system for a minute or so before other sounds could use it. It has been a while so I couldn't remember the details, just that it wasn't working right. It works now tho. I played a video and changed desktops and could hear them both. Yeppie !! No arts system. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] kdemultimedia-arts-3.5.10 and the arts flag
On Sunday 15 November 2009 00:40:48 Dale wrote: The only reason arts ever existed at all was to do sound mixing in software in the days when hardware generally did not do that. These days alsa takes care of all of that. OSS-4 does a better job I hear, but in any case you do not need arts. If you did, how would it be possible to hear sound in a flash video in a browser on a non-KDE system? And I think that was my problem. It would only play one sound at a time and some things hogged up the sound system. Mine makes a sound when I change desktops for instance and it would hold onto the sound system for a minute or so before other sounds could use it. Typical arts behaviour :-) arts would grab the sound device, and any KDE app could then use arts to play sound. arts used software mixing to make this all work. However, non-KDE apps (or any app actually without arts support) could not get to the sound device as arts had locked it. It would give up the lock after 1 minute of no sound. This led to obvious problems. There were some solutions such as a wrapper script you'd use to start gnome apps with, the wrapper would grab the gnome app sound and sent it onto arts. But none of this was synchronized so although the app sound played, you were never sure exactly *when* is would play Yuck. I mean, alsa is a bit of a mess but arts makes also look pristine and wonderful in comparison -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] kdemultimedia-arts-3.5.10 and the arts flag
On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:37:28 -0600, Dale wrote: Well, if it would let me ditch it, I would ditch it. I guess it is KDE that wants this thing so badly. I dunno. Nope, otherwise it wouldn't have a USE flag to make it optional. I ran KDE£ with -arts for years. -- Neil Bothwick Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don't. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] kdemultimedia-arts-3.5.10 and the arts flag
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:37:28 -0600, Dale wrote: Well, if it would let me ditch it, I would ditch it. I guess it is KDE that wants this thing so badly. I dunno. Nope, otherwise it wouldn't have a USE flag to make it optional. I ran KDE£ with -arts for years. Just picking on this one since it is newer. ;-) I finally got through the other stuff, with arts enabled since it griped about the change before, and I am now disabling arts. I think it wanted it so badly because I was doing a preserved-rebuild and other packages had it enabled. I don't guess a -N option would take on that emerge. I think I did this once before and my sound disappeared. Everything went mute so I may be back. It may just be a setting in KDE or something that needs changing. That was a while ago to. I barely remember it. Then again, maybe it wasn't sooo long ago. What did I have for breakfast today? ^_^ Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] kdemultimedia-arts-3.5.10 and the arts flag
On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 07:09:13 -0600, Dale wrote: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild R ] kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6 USE=acl alsa cups fam jpeg2k spell tiff (-arts) -avahi -bindist -branding -debug -doc -kdehiddenvisibility -kerberos -legacyssl -lua -openexr -utempter 0 kB [1] So, portage is ignoring my USE flags. Do I need a hammer for this to work? Is this me or what? I'm confused. The arts use flag has been masked, that why it is parenthesised. % grep arts /usr/portage/profiles/base/use.mask # Mask USE arts. Deprecated. Remove this entry when kdelibs-3 is out of tree. arts You need to add -arts to /etc/portage/profile/use.mask -- Neil Bothwick Love is grand. Divorce is a few grand more. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] kdemultimedia-arts-3.5.10 and the arts flag
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 07:09:13 -0600, Dale wrote: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild R ] kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6 USE=acl alsa cups fam jpeg2k spell tiff (-arts) -avahi -bindist -branding -debug -doc -kdehiddenvisibility -kerberos -legacyssl -lua -openexr -utempter 0 kB [1] So, portage is ignoring my USE flags. Do I need a hammer for this to work? Is this me or what? I'm confused. The arts use flag has been masked, that why it is parenthesised. % grep arts /usr/portage/profiles/base/use.mask # Mask USE arts. Deprecated. Remove this entry when kdelibs-3 is out of tree. arts You need to add -arts to /etc/portage/profile/use.mask While I was searching with Google, it is said this can be gotten rid of which I don't mind doing. As long as the sound works, which others says it does, then I'm fine without it. When I disable it, or remove it from make.conf, it won't re-emerge anything when I run emerge -uvDN world. The key part being the -N of course. Anyway, I don't have that file so do I just create it? Is it sort of like a package.unmask file? Thanks much. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] kdemultimedia-arts-3.5.10 and the arts flag
On Thursday 12 November 2009 16:13:46 Dale wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 07:09:13 -0600, Dale wrote: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild R ] kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6 USE=acl alsa cups fam jpeg2k spell tiff (-arts) -avahi -bindist -branding -debug -doc -kdehiddenvisibility -kerberos -legacyssl -lua -openexr -utempter 0 kB [1] So, portage is ignoring my USE flags. Do I need a hammer for this to work? Is this me or what? I'm confused. The arts use flag has been masked, that why it is parenthesised. % grep arts /usr/portage/profiles/base/use.mask # Mask USE arts. Deprecated. Remove this entry when kdelibs-3 is out of tree. arts You need to add -arts to /etc/portage/profile/use.mask While I was searching with Google, it is said this can be gotten rid of which I don't mind doing. As long as the sound works, which others says it does, then I'm fine without it. When I disable it, or remove it from make.conf, it won't re-emerge anything when I run emerge -uvDN world. The key part being the -N of course. arts was a disgusting piece of crap that never should have been suffered to live. You never needed it then and you certainly don't need it now. It's been abandoned for many years now (at least 4?) Anyway, I don't have that file so do I just create it? Is it sort of like a package.unmask file? Yes. It's your locally defined USE flag mask, identical in purpose to the one the devs place into your profile -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] kdemultimedia-arts-3.5.10 and the arts flag
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 12 November 2009 16:13:46 Dale wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 07:09:13 -0600, Dale wrote: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild R ] kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6 USE=acl alsa cups fam jpeg2k spell tiff (-arts) -avahi -bindist -branding -debug -doc -kdehiddenvisibility -kerberos -legacyssl -lua -openexr -utempter 0 kB [1] So, portage is ignoring my USE flags. Do I need a hammer for this to work? Is this me or what? I'm confused. The arts use flag has been masked, that why it is parenthesised. % grep arts /usr/portage/profiles/base/use.mask # Mask USE arts. Deprecated. Remove this entry when kdelibs-3 is out of tree. arts You need to add -arts to /etc/portage/profile/use.mask While I was searching with Google, it is said this can be gotten rid of which I don't mind doing. As long as the sound works, which others says it does, then I'm fine without it. When I disable it, or remove it from make.conf, it won't re-emerge anything when I run emerge -uvDN world. The key part being the -N of course. arts was a disgusting piece of crap that never should have been suffered to live. You never needed it then and you certainly don't need it now. It's been abandoned for many years now (at least 4?) Well, if it would let me ditch it, I would ditch it. I guess it is KDE that wants this thing so badly. I dunno. Anyway, I don't have that file so do I just create it? Is it sort of like a package.unmask file? Yes. It's your locally defined USE flag mask, identical in purpose to the one the devs place into your profile I echo'd it in and it is rebuilding stuff as we speak. Maybe it will work when all this gets done. Thanks. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] kdemultimedia-arts-3.5.10 and the arts flag
On Thursday 12 November 2009 19:37:28 Dale wrote: arts was a disgusting piece of crap that never should have been suffered to live. You never needed it then and you certainly don't need it now. It's been abandoned for many years now (at least 4?) Well, if it would let me ditch it, I would ditch it. I guess it is KDE that wants this thing so badly. I dunno. Nope, that's incorrect. KDE has not required arts for ages and ages and ages. I have not had it on any kde box since 2007 Just remove it from all use flags and world and let portage do what it does best -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
