Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
On Thursday 26 Jan 2012 08:48:28 Michael Mathurin wrote: Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com writes: Hi list, I ran across this news item about Google: http://alturl.com/s7xi5 The long URL is below. I'm sort of getting to where I don't like Google since they seem to be doing things that I'm just not comfy with. Next they will want a camera on my rig so they can watch me surf. I found a search engine that may work. It is here: www.ixquick.com Does anyone have a better search tool? I don't like Yahoo either. I do like froogle so that would be a bonus. You know, shopping tool. Now to my next issue. I'm thinking about switching emails too. Yea, everyone on here knows my addy but I bet most can recognize my posts anyway. Plus, if the init thingy goes south, well, it happens. Anyway, what is a nice stable email account server that allows pop access, Seamonkey as the email program, that is not tracking everything or nosey as heck? Free would be nice but I would pay something inexpensive on a yearly basis if it is really good. I think Yahoo has this but ain't they sort of like Google already? Plus, I'm not sure how much longer Yahoo is going to last or make similar changes itself. I'm sort of getting tired of switching emails every time I switch ISPs or there is a policy change. That is why I switched to gmail in the first place. No matter what ISP I use, I can still use Gmail. Yet, here I am again. Thoughts? Suggestions? Dale :-) :-) Long URL just in case the shorty above doesn't work. It may be broken tho. Copy and paste alert. http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/google-tracks-consumers -across-products-users-cant-opt-out/2012/01/24/gIQArgJHOQ_story.html?wpis rc=al_comboNE_b For an alternative search engine you should have a look at DuckDuckGo I've used it in the past and it has a pretty impressive set of features. As for e-mail I've heard good things about FastMail. Hushmail used to be a good one but I'm not sure how they stand today. I've used Fastmail for years and is a very reliable email provider. It does not have the storage allowance of Gmail on its free account, so space will run out unless you start deleting messages. Also, unless you pay you are only allowed to access messages via webmail and IMAP4, not POP3. There are options for webmail scrapers or archiving of messages via mail clients, but Fastmail is not Google in terms of access options and features. BTW, it seems to me that if you access youtube and at the same time search Google without being logged in to any of their portals, they will not be tracking your email for user profiling purposes. They may be logging IP addresses but it could be different users on the same IP address, so advertising results would not be relevant. Delete flash and normal cookies, do not log in to any Google sites and you should be as good with their tracking of your habits as you always were. To search in relative anonymity you could of course use tor if you can put up with their slow connections, or perhaps visit Scroogle who also offer an SSL page in case you want to avoid anyone sniffing your packets. Scroogle looks like ixquick except that they only serve Google search results. At busy times Google blocks Scroogle access, so it may be getting too popular for its own good. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
Dale wrote: Hi list, I ran across this news item about Google: http://alturl.com/s7xi5 The long URL is below. I'm sort of getting to where I don't like Google since they seem to be doing things that I'm just not comfy with. Next they will want a camera on my rig so they can watch me surf. I found a search engine that may work. It is here: www.ixquick.com Does anyone have a better search tool? I don't like Yahoo either. I do like froogle so that would be a bonus. You know, shopping tool. Now to my next issue. I'm thinking about switching emails too. Yea, everyone on here knows my addy but I bet most can recognize my posts anyway. Plus, if the init thingy goes south, well, it happens. Anyway, what is a nice stable email account server that allows pop access, Seamonkey as the email program, that is not tracking everything or nosey as heck? Free would be nice but I would pay something inexpensive on a yearly basis if it is really good. I think Yahoo has this but ain't they sort of like Google already? Plus, I'm not sure how much longer Yahoo is going to last or make similar changes itself. I'm sort of getting tired of switching emails every time I switch ISPs or there is a policy change. That is why I switched to gmail in the first place. No matter what ISP I use, I can still use Gmail. Yet, here I am again. Thoughts? Suggestions? Dale :-) :-) Long URL just in case the shorty above doesn't work. It may be broken tho. Copy and paste alert. http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/google-tracks-consumers-across-products-users-cant-opt-out/2012/01/24/gIQArgJHOQ_story.html?wpisrc=al_comboNE_b OK. This has gotten a LOT of replies with lots of interesting info. I have another question along the same lines. What about using a VPN? I been messing with tor and Firefox but if I try to watch a video or something that has any length to it, it gets rather iffy. I found this: www.vpn4all.com I don't think it works with Linux but it was interesting to read about just for the information. From my understanding, people can't read your traffic and they can't tell anything about you as far as location. I know google can do this because when I type in certain things, it all comes up for local stuff. If I do the same in Firefox with tor turned on, it gets rather weird. Stuff from Africa was showing up one time and later on it looked like German stuff. When I checked my IP and did a whois, it was in other countries. What are thoughts on this sort of thing? Anything better than tor out there? Am I getting paranoid or do people really watch us and collect data on us? :/ Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT as it gets. Sorry] Windoze 7 and reinstalling error.
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: James Broadhead wrote: On 2 February 2012 15:34, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 7:06 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Your reply made me think of something. I had a XP reinstall once that required a number from MS because of the new mobo and hard drive. They said it recognized the change in the serial numbers. When I ran into that before tho, it installed fine but gave 30 days to put in the number. Does winders 7 have something similar? When you install Windows 7, Vista or XP (SP3 or newer), you can actually skip the product key step and it'll install as a trial version (30-day? 90-day? something like that). You can then upgrade to the real version by activating it when you're comfortable that everything is working properly -- or don't activate it at all and install Gentoo. Trying to keep it on-topic. :) This problem isn't related to Activation (which a lot of people have been describing). Those errors tend to be pretty explicit. In my experience, Windows 7 is relatively lax at install-time, and will give you 30 days leeway before it demands a key (which may or may not require calling the hotline). I'd say that you've either been hit by; - An incorrect OEM disk that's checking the BIOS for some kind of Manufacturer flag (and not getting what it wants). - A BIOS setting that Win7 doesn't like working with (I think that IDE-compat/AHCI is a good avenue of approach). Mike's link looks good (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2466753) Also, install Linux, jeez :3 I'm working on the Linux thing. He's warming up. It's like I told him, Firefox looks the same on Linux as it does on windoze. The differences between Linux, Kubuntu is what I am going for, and windoze is all under the hood. All they do is surf the web, check emails, and check on their banking stuff, maybe pay a bill or two. For what they do, Linux would be great. He's good enough on puters to upgrade Kubuntu too. It's just point and clicky anyway. Gentoo would be a bit much tho, unless I could build the packages here and install them there as binaries. I hope they get home soon. I want to check the BIOS settings. Pretty much what I've got going for my grandmother. I had her working with Evolution and Firefox on XP before we switched her over to the same on Easy Peasy. She's very comfortable with it, and even clicks on icons needed when it wants to update. -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] Weather thingy using up my network, ALL THE TIME.
Mick wrote: On Sunday 02 Sep 2012 08:54:27 Dale wrote: Howdy, I have this little weather applet thingy down at the bottom of my desktop in the thing I think they call the panel. Anyway, the weather thing has been sending something for HOURS now. I have logged out of KDE, reset the network and even the router just to see if it would die. As soon as I login or the router comes back up, it start sending data again. I can't get it to stop. As a last resort, I took the thing off my panel thingy. It still sends data like crazy. I clicked on my Weather Forecast applet settings and it also started sending packets to wetter.com - despite the fact that I have set it to connect to the BBC weather RSS feed. Hmm ... Does anyone know how to kill this thing? I'd like to surf the net without this thing hogging up my DSL connection. It's not using that many packets, but I agree that it is annoying. The solution is to kill the kio_http that was running it. Use ps, top, lsof as you prefer to find which PID you should kill. Well, I got annoyed beyond reason and just renamed the config file. Now all is quiet except for me surfing the web. ;-) I used ps and I couldn't figure out what process was running it. Then again, I wasn't sure what to look for either. o_O I lost my settings tho. :-( While I am at it. I'm supposed to get my weather stuff from NOAA or at least that is where it came from ages ago. Ever since I went from KDE3 to KDE4, it wants to come from wetter.com which doesn't work to begin with. This is what I think it is doing to my network. It is trying to get data that doesn't exist to begin with so it just keeps trying. Anybody know how to beat this thing silly? By the way, using iftop, that is where all this traffic is going to. I am not sure if wetter.com is hardcoded somewhere. In my .kde4/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc I can see my BBC URI in the weather applet settings, but nothing about wetter.com. I researched this a good while back and it appears that it is hard coded. Back in KDE3, I think it had some way of selecting what to connect to, depending on what country you are in I guess. Now, It's either wetter.com or nothing on my rig. From my vague recollection of others describing it, if you live in the USA, no weather updates. Since KDE4 seems to have broken it, maybe KDE5 will fix it. LOL Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Wireless connection-sharing with networkmanager problem
Sorry for not letting it clear. There are two parts at this website. The part I followed is *Part #2*. you can search for *Part #2*:. But it is too simple to be relevant. I have a desktop machine, witch is connected to a wireless router by a wired connection. But the wireless router is too far from my room, so I want to use my wireless card to extend the signal, so I'll be able to use it by my phone and my friends I'll also use it. Since I just want to extend it, I guess that I should use infrastructure mode, to maintain all the devices at the same network, using the dhcp server from the router itself. But, first things first! I just want to connect and see it working anyway, in first place. My phone still can't see the network, but my sister's notebook does. However it is seen in a different way: the windows 7 recognize it as if it were a wired conection ( 3 PCs icon instead of a usual signal bar). But when connected it still can't surf the net. Any help would be appreciated. :) 2012/10/2 J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org On Tue, October 2, 2012 3:18 am, João Matos wrote: Dear list, I've been trying to get networkmanager working and use it to share my Internet connection with my Android. I have my wireless card working properly, since I can create a network with my phone and connect to it, using the networkmanager script from KDE. I've already enabled the connection-sharing user flag, and followed the instruction from http://simplehacksnreviews.wordprpart2 #ess.com/2011/10/30/simple-connection-sharing-with-networkmanager-how-to-connect-with-a-3g-usb-modem-on-linux/(justhttp://simplehacksnreviews.wordpress.com/2011/10/30/simple-connection-sharing-with-networkmanager-how-to-connect-with-a-3g-usb-modem-on-linux/(just 4 simple steps), and tried many other configurations by myself. Apparently the configuration is ok, bcz my wlan0 gets itself a IP address, but my smartphone can't see the network I've *theoretically* created. I don't know why, the channel is -1 (0 Mhz) (networkmanager screeshot attached), and I think is should be the problem, but I don't know what else to try. Any ideias how to solve this problem? do you need any other information? Can you please clarify if you want to use your mobile phone to provide an internet connection to your laptop? Assuming the answer is yes, you should only need to do the following: - Configure your mobile to enable Portable Wi-Fi hotspot - Configure your laptop to connect to your mobile as if it's a standard WiFi hotspot/access point. There should be no need to adjust anything else on your laptop. The website you followed describes how to do it with a USB-connection. That works differently then when using WIFI. -- Joost -- João de Matos Linux User #461527
Re: [gentoo-user] Wireless connection-sharing with networkmanager problem
João Matos jaon...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry for not letting it clear. There are two parts at this website. The part I followed is *Part #2*. you can search for *Part #2*:. But it is too simple to be relevant. I have a desktop machine, witch is connected to a wireless router by a wired connection. But the wireless router is too far from my room, so I want to use my wireless card to extend the signal, so I'll be able to use it by my phone and my friends I'll also use it. Since I just want to extend it, I guess that I should use infrastructure mode, to maintain all the devices at the same network, using the dhcp server from the router itself. But, first things first! I just want to connect and see it working anyway, in first place. My phone still can't see the network, but my sister's notebook does. However it is seen in a different way: the windows 7 recognize it as if it were a wired conection ( 3 PCs icon instead of a usual signal bar). But when connected it still can't surf the net. Any help would be appreciated. :) 2012/10/2 J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org On Tue, October 2, 2012 3:18 am, João Matos wrote: Dear list, I've been trying to get networkmanager working and use it to share my Internet connection with my Android. I have my wireless card working properly, since I can create a network with my phone and connect to it, using the networkmanager script from KDE. I've already enabled the connection-sharing user flag, and followed the instruction from http://simplehacksnreviews.wordprpart2 #ess.com/2011/10/30/simple-connection-sharing-with-networkmanager-how-to-connect-with-a-3g-usb-modem-on-linux/(justhttp://simplehacksnreviews.wordpress.com/2011/10/30/simple-connection-sharing-with-networkmanager-how-to-connect-with-a-3g-usb-modem-on-linux/(just 4 simple steps), and tried many other configurations by myself. Apparently the configuration is ok, bcz my wlan0 gets itself a IP address, but my smartphone can't see the network I've *theoretically* created. I don't know why, the channel is -1 (0 Mhz) (networkmanager screeshot attached), and I think is should be the problem, but I don't know what else to try. Any ideias how to solve this problem? do you need any other information? Can you please clarify if you want to use your mobile phone to provide an internet connection to your laptop? Assuming the answer is yes, you should only need to do the following: - Configure your mobile to enable Portable Wi-Fi hotspot - Configure your laptop to connect to your mobile as if it's a standard WiFi hotspot/access point. There should be no need to adjust anything else on your laptop. The website you followed describes how to do it with a USB-connection. That works differently then when using WIFI. -- Joost -- João de Matos Linux User #461527 Ok. Sounds like you want to use your desktop as a wireless access point on the network. I never did that myself as I would simply get a wireless access point and use that. Try googling for howto wireless access point linux or similar. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
[gentoo-user] Re: rpm or deb package installs
Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon at gmail.com writes: I doubt dpkg and rpm aren't going to be much use to you, unless you really want to run two package managers. Besides, both are not especially useful with the front ends apt* and yum. I'd just use those to unpackage and maybe preprocess some of the codes. Agreed. I do not want a full blown deb or rpm package manager just a way to install and evaluate some of those codes before beginning a more arduous and comprehensive task. Maybe I should just put up a RH/centos box and evaluate codes there. It seems *everything* I want to test and look at in the cluster and hpc world, as a rpm or deb package; so I'm looking for a time saver, to surf thru the myriad of codes I'm getting; many look very cool from the outside, but once I run them, they are pigs... Then a slick way to keep them secure and clean it out. Maybe I need chroot jails too? I spend way to much time managing codes rather than I do actually writing code. I feel confused often and cannot seem to master this git_thingy I have not code seriously in a long time and now it is becoming an obsession, but the old ways are draining my constitutional powers. Any special reason why you don't instead download the sources and build them yourself with PREFIX=/usr/local ? Lots of errant codes flying everywhere so you have to pull a code audit to see what's in the raw tarballs before building. That takes way too much time. I'm working on setting up several more workstations for coding to isolate them from my main system. This approach you suggest is: error prone, takes too much time, and I'm lazy and sometimes even stupid. I need a structure methodology to be a one man extreme_hack_prolific system that prevents me from doing stupid things, whilst I'm distracted. Maybe I should just put up a VM resources on the net, blast tons of tests thru the vendors hardware and let them worry about the security ramifications? Some of it is these codes are based on 'functional languages' and I just do not trust what I do not fully understand. Stuff (files etc) goes everywhere and that makes me cautiously nervous. I have /usr/local for manual work and /usr/local/portage for ovelays (layman) but it's becoming a mess. There where to I put the work effort that is a result from repoman. Those codes seem to be parallel projects often when the code I'm evaluating needs to be cleaned up or extend to properly test. Furthermore I have a growing collection of file that result from kernel profiling via trace-cmd, valgrind, systemtap etc etc. As soon as I delete something, I need to re-generated it for one reason or another.. I just hope that this repo.conf effort helps be get more structurally organized? Did you see/test 'travis-ci' yet? [1] I'm not sure it's the same on github [2] but some of the devs are using it on github. James [1] http://docs.travis-ci.com/ [2] https://github.com/travis-ci/travis-ci
Re: [gentoo-user] Ethernet card for puter
Wol wrote: > On 06/11/2021 00:19, Dale wrote: >> Howdy all, >> > > >> >> They think we should be connected in a few months. Cables comes first >> then they set up the control boxes etc etc. I'm going with a package >> that will be about 300 times faster and only cost about $10 a month more >> than my wimpy DSL. Oh crap. I need to expand my hard drive space >> again. Glad I use LVM. LOL I thought I had another year to deal with >> that too. > > Sounds a bit like me :-) A couple of months back my existing broadband > deal expired, and they offered me a new deal - FTTP no less - for less > than I was then paying! (Admittedly ADSL was giving me 17Mb realised ...) > > Only problem was a screw-up over the router - the fibre was terminated > at an RJ45 in my house, but apparently needed a dedicated wan port on > the router - you can't plug it into a standard port - so I was without > internet until they sorted out a new router for me. >> >> Thoughts on that card? Work fine? >> > Do you really need 1Gbit? I know you've ordered a new card, but I > would have stuck with the onboard 1Gb, or the old 100Mb card. Or do > you just want the latest and greatest go-faster kit :-) > > Likewise your disk drive. What have you ordered? CMR? If you've got an > SMR drive be VERY careful moving stuff across, it's quite likely to > barf under the load. Dunno how easy it is to do, but your best bet is > to heavily throttle the throughput to give the drive the chance to do > its housekeeping. Or google for what sort of kernel timeouts you need > to keep the system from thinking that the drive has failed. > > I'd probably boot a rescue disk and just dd the partitions across. At > least then if it barfs, you haven't lost your original. > > Cheers, > Wol > > Well, the connection I'll be getting is either 200Mb/sec or 500Mb/sec. It's blazingly fast. They also offer 1Gb/sec as well but my hard drives need room to breath. lol So, if I leave the 100Mb/sec card in and use it, it will be the bottleneck for my network. Right now, the connection to the puter is the last upgrade I'll need to be ready to surf like lightening. I learned my lesson on SMR a while back. I googled and made sure it was a CMR drive before I ordered it. I had to pass by some SMRs to find a good deal that was CMR tho. I don't plan to move data just add the drive as extra space. Adding it to LVM should be easy enough. Sort of thought about switching to BTFRS (sp?) but just not sure. LVM is working well for me at the moment. I'm excited about this new internet deal. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Mounting Question...
Dale wrote: Mick wrote: SNIP With regards to your 47G /usr/portage partition I think that it is a waste of space. It won't harm you other than the fact that the 3.8G OS partition is in all likelihood too small. This is what I would do: tar the contents of /usr/portage elsewhere (even in the 3.8G partition - it should fit if you clear any cruft and, or use bzip). Delete the 47G partition and use gparted to enlarge the 3.8G partition to say, 8-10G. Then create a new partition say another 8-10G for /usr/portage. Then create anymore separate partitions you may need (for /home and what have you). mkfs as required, modify your /etc/fstab and move your data in your respective new partitions. If you think your fs is/are going to grow use LVM instead, otherwise primaries and if you need more than 4 then (extended + logical). Well, I'm no expert but this has worked for me and this is a 4 or 5 year old install. Your mileage may vary. From cfdisk: snip As you can see, I have plenty of space available for future additions, like a space hogging KDE 4.0. :-) The fullest one is /usr/portage which I clean up on occasion with eclean. If I ever change them around again, I will put /var on a separate partition but other than that, it works pretty well. May make root smaller then as well. A lot of this depends on what you are doing with the box tho. It's just something you have to sort of work out as you go which may be why some recommend EVMS or LVM. I have read up on it but just never got up the nerve to try it yet. This is a desktop mostly used to surf the net and run foldingathome on. Hope this helps tho. Thanks for the info guys. Yeah - the server has been pretty steady. I use to run it on a P90 with an 8.4 GB (7.6 formatted) hard drive running Slackware and just upgraded to the P2 with Gentoo, namely so I can keep it up to date more. I run Gentoo at work, but the firewall prevents me from getting portage updates there as they block RSYNC and FTP, and the HTTP is authenticated which causes me a lot of pain under *nix. So in some respects I am pretty new to some of this stuff per Gentoo. LVM is certainly not out of the question, I just don't have the time to rebuild the system again - especially since I just built it. So I'd need a path to getting to it. As per the the suggestion of blasting away the 47 GB partition - I'm not sure that's an option. I got away from using Logical partitions a long time ago after I moved to Linux as I found them to be too problematic - I'd never have enough space on the partition I needed space on and to rework it to have enough would require moving around others too. And, as you can see from my other e-mail, I already have 4 primary partitions on each drive (swap included); so I would certainly go to LVM instead of logical partitions. That said, the system itself won't change much, but the current drive layout is probably not the best for where space needs to really be. So I really am open to changing it, but need to do so on the fly with a few reboots and (most importantly) without reinstalling. I do realize Linux makes it pretty easy to move around from partition to partition, which I have done, just not sure how LVM plays into it - thus my other e-mail asking about a path to getting there. (FYI - I did check and LVM2's device-mapper is enabled in the kernel, so it should be pretty straight forward.) Thanks, Ben -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
My wife and I use KDE. I, mainly because I don't see the point in having multiple GUIs (they're not that facinating to me (other than to get into the source code), but for my wife, I find that for someone coming from using Windows, it seems that out of the box, KDE seems to have a stronger appeal to her than Gnome. Although, the environment she really took to was XFCE (though it's not a choice in this discussion). In looking at Holly's post, I'm inclined to agree. Being that most of the stuff I do (besides surf the net), but things like programming, moving files, your general admin stuff, configuration changes, etc I (like most of us here --probably) do from a command-line. My selling point for the command-line is I don't have to learn any new menus to use it ;), but to each his own. ShawnOn 1/20/06, Holly Bostick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neil Bothwick schreef: On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:10:13 +0800, Linux Java wrote: I wanna to know KDE and Gnome which is more popular. Why? Use whatever suits you.I hope that you all appreciate my extreme restraint in not posting to this thread until now, given how very much I dislike KDE.But for the record, just so that all you KDE-heads don't skew theresults com*plete*ly:I always (from my first attempts at Linux some 3 years ago) preferred GNOME to KDE. Never liked Nautilus, though (it's tied for second on mylist of most hated file managers), and since I've never been fond ofdesktop icons and all that cr... junk... I still found it too heavy. So I switched to Openbox 3 (with a GTK backend), and now I use fvwm-crystal(with a GTK backend). Gnome-light is (always) installed, but I don'tuse it as a desktop.I have only two KDE-specific applications that I would not do without (both compiled -kde and -arts to the greatest extent possible): Krusader(though this needs Konq and some other KDE utils for best usage, as itrecognizes KDE apps much much better than GTK apps for viewing files and the like), and K3b. These apps require kdebase, so I've got that, butthe day you see me logging into KDE, you can rest assured that either:1) my system is so seriously broke that it's the only DE/WM I can get into (which is pretty unlikely. I mean, I've got iceWM and *afterstep*on the system, for Pete's sake; the day that doesn't work but KDE doeswill be... The day);or2) I have been replaced by an alien clone (shoot first, ask questions later).I prefer to use GTK-based applications wherever possible because I findthem more attractive in general, and I'm more used to them (as a GNOMEuser originally), unless they're junk, like Totem, in which case I use non-affiliated programs like Xine or mPlayer. Yes, I know Totem can beconfigured to use a Xine backend. Imo, there's no point; if that's theonly way Totem works, I might as well just use Xine. Plus I want to see when gStreamer gets its act together. However I have no objection toQT-based apps (as opposed to KDE apps) when necessary. It does need tobe necessary, though (meaning, if I need it, I'll install qdvdauthor, because there's no GTK alternative that I know of, but I can just aswell use the CLI original, unless the GUI version has some additionalfeature or makes it easier to understand than the CLI version's man page). So anyway, Neil is of course right: use what you want; it's *your*desktop (finally!). I don't need a whole lot of GUI features (in fact Idislike a whole lot of GUI features), so KDE is not for me, the one who never liked Windows(-like) desktops, even when I was using Windows; Iused an alternative shell from my Win98 days on. But for those who feelmore comfortable with a more Windows-like environment, and Windows-like assumptions about what a user wants/needs from their desktop, KDE may bejust the thing; that is, after all, what it's designed to do to a greatextent.You can have it, though. I'll be elsewhere. Holly--gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list-- Shawn Singh
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: internet/lan access control
On Thursday 27 October 2005 08:53, James wrote: Michael W. Holdeman lists at ptfd.org writes: I have a home and office LAN using comcast broadband cable for access. My office and laptop is Linus, the kids home computers for homeschooling are running xp-home. I want to switch the home machines to linux desktops and use vmware for running their homeschooling software. Problem is I like the comcast security manager system, It regulates the kids access and is very easy (gui) to manage. It is however being replaced by mcafee's system. It is not nearly as good. Does anyone know of a system I can use in Linux on say a firewall, or gateway machine (gw is now a linksys wireless router) that is easy to work with and maintain that will regulate specific users internet access time etc... Well, there are lot's of ways to 'skin the cat' here. Here's a good overview of some of the tools tools that you could use: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/security/ security-handbook.xml?part=1chap=12#doc_chap1 The section on Squid would apply particularly to you. snip In this case, my policy states: * Surfing (HTTP/HTTPS) is allowed during work hours (mon-fri 8-17 and sat 8-13), but if employees are here late they should work, not surf * Downloading files is not allowed (.exe, .com, .arj, .zip, .asf, .avi, .mpg, .mpeg, etc) * We do not like banners, so they are filtered and replaced with a transparent gif (this is where you get creative!). * All other connections to and from the Internet are denied. snip You'll most likely need a good firewall and an Aplication Level Gateway (ALG) to get roboust control of your networks. On the firewall side of things, I have taken the 'painful' but superior route to learning/testing/reading/test/reading_some_more/testing. to use raw ipfilter/netfilter to achieve fine grain control of networks. Others will recommend you use a 'canned firewall' technology, such as shorewall, fwbuilder (etc) along with various packages that create your ALG. Learning raw ipfilter/netfilter is a very time consuming process, but, well worth the effort, in my experience. With the help of this list, you can achieve robust control over your networks, but, it does take time. The good thing about investing the time in a linux setting, is once you have a network management system in place, it's very straight forward to maintain, you do not have to spend money or waste time on vendors, and you learn how to *TEST* what you have to verify it works properly. Using a vendor, makes you subjectively vulnerable to the vendor's financial goals and technical limitations. You'll not likely be able to afford a company that has 1/10th the security expertise, that this list offers for free. Regardless of the path you choose, you have to test, modify and test your network again, with a variety of tools, to ensure robust content control and sufficient security. I'll assume you want the easy, minimal_pain route to controlling your networks, so I'll let the others pitch easy solutions, that allow use of software package such as shorewall + squid etc. If you want some more links to read about raw ipfilters, just let me know. Thanks James, Your response is very helpfull. I was thinking about squid, fwbuilder to get the base up and going. I will read more, as for some reason I was under the impression I could use fwbuilder and then add more using raw ipfilters as I learned more. I have used DansGuardian and squid in teh past for content filtering and was happy with the way that worked, so this would just add to the knowledge and ops I need for that type of implementation. Thanks again for your help, I am sure I will have more ?'s as I get into it. Today I have to figure out what mssql needs for my kids homeschool app, as it needs a dedicated mssql server, And I was hoping to put the files on my FBSD file server and just access from the win2000/vmware/gentoo desktops. (and I'm late getting it setup, my wife is getting cranky about the kids not on their work already!!) Mike Michael W. Holdeman Powered by Gentoo Linux www.gentoo.org | Kernel 2.6.11-ck8 | Win4Lin 5-1-20 netraverse.com | Win4LinPro 6.1.1-03 win4lin.com | | -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] revdep-rebuild is giving me fits
Holly Bostick wrote: Did you re-emerge gentoo-sources after removing the doc USE flag? Yup, I sure did. What is the format of the relevant entry in /etc/portage/package.use? If it does not look like this sys-kernel/gentoo-sources -doc Mine looks like this: O_O sys-kernel/gentoo-sources -doc Looks cool. Also, try emerge -uDNptv world emerge --update --deep --newuse --pretend --tree --verbose (with --tree being the important change) to see what packages are requiring xmlto. We're just guessing that it's gentoo-sources, really; maybe it's not. [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # emerge -uDNptv world These are the packages that I would merge, in reverse order: Calculating world dependencies ...done! [nomerge ] sys-kernel/vanilla-sources-2.6.12.5 -build +doc -symlink [ebuild N] app-text/xmlto-0.0.18 0 kB Total size of downloads: 0 kB [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # Something new that didn't show up last time. My new package.use: sys-kernel/gentoo-sources -doc sys-kernel/vanilla-sources -doc :p No, your syntax in package.use is likely wrong. Happens to all of us. :-) . Me, have a typo, no way. I'm a perfect typer, NOT. LOL My typing sucks. Great. No more need to deal with that atm, then. What about the broke stuff? *Will* you stop trying to get authorization for emerge -e at every opportunity!!!??? :-) Well, that was the command I was given and copy and paste works. I'm a bad typer remember. I copy and paste all I can. It's safer. It's really not necessary. And you're getting yourself all worked up over a relatively minor issue (or in fact a couple of them). I'm not all worked up here. I'm ROTFLMAO though. LOL I'm OK as long as I can figure it out OR get help fixing it. Basically, you seem to be upset because Portage is having a fit when you try to update world. Not because a program is broken, or because you can't do some specific task (because a program is broken). If that is a correct assessment of the situation, then have some perspective. I'm not mad at portage. I love portage. I still remember Mandrake. I'll never forget that mess. At least with this, it can be fixed without a re-install. You don't have to update world every day, or even every month. So don't. If things work OK for what you need them to do, then the fact that you can't update easily right now is *not a problem*. Certainly not one needing a reinstall of the entire system. I do mine each night because I'm on dial-up and it is easier to get little tidbits than to wait until there is a new KDE and Open Office at the same time. o_O It takes me about three days to get just Open Office so I like to nibble on it a bit. Plus, it is fun to watch, unlike Mandrake. Yea, I watch all that Greek stuff go by. I don't understand it much but I watch it anyway. If something specific is broken due to the gif/libungif issue, then tell us what that is. It may be that gif/libungif needs to be sorted out to fix whatever is broken, but we can cross that bridge when we come to it. I'm not sure if anything is broke or not. It was a block thing that I thought may be messing up revdep-rebuild since it was complaining about it. Everything seems to be working OK. It's the reboot I worry about. I ran for almost 10 months just to reboot and find out my inittab was blank. It wasn't happy at all and I was very worried. It's really not a big deal. Relax. I'm allmost always relaxed. As long as I can get to the net and surf or email, I'm relaxed. Other than that, I'm worried. Right now, I'm relaxed. I just joke a lot, especially about the hammer. I do have a 5 lb mini sledge but I would not hit my puter, I may threaten it though. LOL Now to get over this dizzy spell that I have been in with that gif thing. I ran in circles for a while with that. I also have a bald spot where I was scratching my head. I re-emerged vanilla-sources, it had the -doc on it too. Now I get this: [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # emerge -uDNptv world These are the packages that I would merge, in reverse order: Calculating world dependencies ...done! Total size of downloads: 0 kB [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # Just for the heck of it, I'm doing a emerge -ev world. Just to be sure. I'll skip Open Office though. It won't take to long. My only question is about those broken things in revdep-rebuild. I guess the emerge -ev world will deal with that though, right? Thanks for the help. I need it. Maybe one day I will get all this absorbed. Problem is, they keep changing and adding features. I'm playing catch-up. Can you see me in your mirror yet? LOL What a sense of humor. I take a bit of getting used to. Hang in there folks. It's a fun ride generally. Dale :-) -- To err is human, I'm most certainly human. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
Am 26.01.2012 11:07, schrieb Mick: On Thursday 26 Jan 2012 08:48:28 Michael Mathurin wrote: Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com writes: Hi list, I ran across this news item about Google: http://alturl.com/s7xi5 The long URL is below. I'm sort of getting to where I don't like Google since they seem to be doing things that I'm just not comfy with. Next they will want a camera on my rig so they can watch me surf. I found a search engine that may work. It is here: www.ixquick.com Does anyone have a better search tool? I don't like Yahoo either. I do like froogle so that would be a bonus. You know, shopping tool. Now to my next issue. I'm thinking about switching emails too. Yea, everyone on here knows my addy but I bet most can recognize my posts anyway. Plus, if the init thingy goes south, well, it happens. Anyway, what is a nice stable email account server that allows pop access, Seamonkey as the email program, that is not tracking everything or nosey as heck? Free would be nice but I would pay something inexpensive on a yearly basis if it is really good. I think Yahoo has this but ain't they sort of like Google already? Plus, I'm not sure how much longer Yahoo is going to last or make similar changes itself. I'm sort of getting tired of switching emails every time I switch ISPs or there is a policy change. That is why I switched to gmail in the first place. No matter what ISP I use, I can still use Gmail. Yet, here I am again. Thoughts? Suggestions? Dale :-) :-) Long URL just in case the shorty above doesn't work. It may be broken tho. Copy and paste alert. http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/google-tracks-consumers -across-products-users-cant-opt-out/2012/01/24/gIQArgJHOQ_story.html?wpis rc=al_comboNE_b For an alternative search engine you should have a look at DuckDuckGo I've used it in the past and it has a pretty impressive set of features. As for e-mail I've heard good things about FastMail. Hushmail used to be a good one but I'm not sure how they stand today. I've used Fastmail for years and is a very reliable email provider. It does not have the storage allowance of Gmail on its free account, so space will run out unless you start deleting messages. Also, unless you pay you are only allowed to access messages via webmail and IMAP4, not POP3. There are options for webmail scrapers or archiving of messages via mail clients, but Fastmail is not Google in terms of access options and features. +1 for Fastmail. I guess the add free service for 5 bucks per year would be sufficient for Dale as he doesn't need much online space when he uses POP3, anyway. BTW, it seems to me that if you access youtube and at the same time search Google without being logged in to any of their portals, they will not be tracking your email for user profiling purposes. They may be logging IP addresses but it could be different users on the same IP address, so advertising results would not be relevant. Delete flash and normal cookies, do not log in to any Google sites and you should be as good with their tracking of your habits as you always were. This made me thinking: Does anyone out there use different browsers for different services? Like using Chrome only for GMail, Youtube and G+, Opera for Facebook and Firefox for normal browsing? I guess you could achieve the same using different user profiles. For example `firefox --no-remote -P google` and `firefox --no-remote -P default`. Regards, Florian Philipp signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: rpm or deb package installs
On 13/02/2015 23:08, James wrote: Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon at gmail.com writes: I doubt dpkg and rpm aren't going to be much use to you, unless you really want to run two package managers. Besides, both are not especially useful with the front ends apt* and yum. I'd just use those to unpackage and maybe preprocess some of the codes. Agreed. I do not want a full blown deb or rpm package manager just a way to install and evaluate some of those codes before beginning a more arduous and comprehensive task. Maybe I should just put up a RH/centos box and evaluate codes there. It seems *everything* I want to test and look at in the cluster and hpc world, as a rpm or deb package; so I'm looking for a time saver, to surf thru the myriad of codes I'm getting; many look very cool from the outside, but once I run them, they are pigs... Then a slick way to keep them secure and clean it out. Maybe I need chroot jails too? I spend way to much time managing codes rather than I do actually writing code. I feel confused often and cannot seem to master this git_thingy I have not code seriously in a long time and now it is becoming an obsession, but the old ways are draining my constitutional powers. I see you are doing more than I thought you were doing :-) rpms and debs are both cpio files so the easy way is to unpack them and see what's going on: rpm2cpio name.rpm | cpio -iv --make-directories dpkg -x somepackage.deb ~/temp/ Considering the size of what you are doing, you are probably better off running a Centos and Debian system to evaluate the code and discard the rubbish. Once you've isolated the interesting ones, you can evaluate them closer and maybe write ebuilds for them. Any special reason why you don't instead download the sources and build them yourself with PREFIX=/usr/local ? Lots of errant codes flying everywhere so you have to pull a code audit to see what's in the raw tarballs before building. That takes way too much time. I'm working on setting up several more workstations for coding to isolate them from my main system. This approach you suggest is: error prone, takes too much time, and I'm lazy and sometimes even stupid. I need a structure methodology to be a one man extreme_hack_prolific system that prevents me from doing stupid things, whilst I'm distracted. Maybe I should just put up a VM resources on the net, blast tons of tests thru the vendors hardware and let them worry about the security ramifications? Some of it is these codes are based on 'functional languages' and I just do not trust what I do not fully understand. Stuff (files etc) goes everywhere and that makes me cautiously nervous. I have /usr/local for manual work and /usr/local/portage for ovelays (layman) but it's becoming a mess. There where to I put the work effort that is a result from repoman. Those codes seem to be parallel projects often when the code I'm evaluating needs to be cleaned up or extend to properly test. Furthermore I have a growing collection of file that result from kernel profiling via trace-cmd, valgrind, systemtap etc etc. As soon as I delete something, I need to re-generated it for one reason or another.. I just hope that this repo.conf effort helps be get more structurally organized? Did you see/test 'travis-ci' yet? [1] I'm not sure it's the same on github [2] but some of the devs are using it on github. James [1] http://docs.travis-ci.com/ [2] https://github.com/travis-ci/travis-ci -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] which keymap and keyboard setup
Hello, Lee. On Fri, Jun 05, 2015 at 11:33:47PM +0200, lee wrote: Hi, which keymap are we supposed to use for a keyboard that has 122 keys? I think you might have to roll your own. As a warning, this can't be done in a single hour. As a matter of interest, what are all the extra keys for? What legend is embossed upon them, and where are they, physically, relative to the qwerty part of the keyboard? My comments from this point on are about the console keyboard. I don't know much about X keyboards, though I do have a little utility, xfce4-xkb-plugin, in my XFCE which swaps from British to German layout at the click of a mouse. My console keyboard is an extensively enhanced version of a British layout, with the seven German letters on AltGra/o/u/s, and many extra key combinations that are needed in Emacs, together with combinations for Ctrlarrow-keys, etc. And which keyboard type are we supposed to specify? There's pc_102, pc_105 and whatnot; is there such a thing as pc_122, too? I doubt it. Probably, you'll be just fine with pc_105. Try it! (Where is this set, by the way? I set mine to pc_105, but forgotton where I did it). So far, I plugged the keyboard in (it's USB) and it has a layout I can expect (which is kinda amazing), so I'm typing on it now. What I want is a keyboard configuration that corresponds to the labels on the keys (which is an US layout) as a starting point, and a way to switch between the US layout and a layout adapted to German. Most of what I type is in English, and the US layout is much better suited for programming, so for the few cases I do need the extra keys required for German, I want to be able to switch layouts by pressing a key. That goes for both console and X11 --- my experience is that you first have to get the keyboard set up correctly for the console before you have a chance to get it to fully work with X11. I don't know of any way of switching the console keyboard as easily as you probably want. To switch layouts you need loadkeys (a utility program very close to the kernel). As I said, my workaround here is to put the German letters on AltGr combinations. It surprised me just how seldomly ä,ö,ü,ß are actually used in German text. You could put the string loadkeys /home/lee/kbd-d.map.gzCR (and a similar one for kbd-e.map.gz) on some difficult-to-type-accidentally key combination, with which you'd be able to change layouts from a bash command line. Just beware that the the same key layout is used by all the virtual terminals - there's no way of setting a key layout for just one VT. I would recommend you to start by copying a standard keyboard layout from /usr/share/keymaps/... (or dumping your current one with dumpkeys), then enhancing it. Read the man pages for loadkeys, dumpkeys, keymaps, etc. They are in package sys-apps/kbd. To find out what the keycodes are for obscure keys, use showkey. If you'd like a copy of my keyboard layout to help you on your way, just drop me a personal email. The keyboard shows up as: Unicomp Inc. Surf Ruffian USB 122 Keyboard v 2.50. Xev shows that the function keys F13--F24 yield the same scan codes as F1--F12. I still have a 105 key PS/2 keyboard plugged in, and nothing is prepared for the 122 key keyboard, so that might limit what scan codes are being seen. BTW, this keyboard is awesome. It's just as if you had a Model M, but still new, and there isn't anything better available new. I've been using those for about 20 years now and wanted a new one since quite a while, now finally managed to get a Unicomp ... Get one if you can; live is too short for bad keyboards. :-) I have a Filco mechanical keyboard, which works well. Does your new keyboard need more desk space than a standard one? That would be a negative feature for me. -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
[gentoo-user] Re: Project:Installer
On 27/07/15 03:29, James wrote: wabenbau at gmail.com writes: I used to install and look after OpenSuse Desk and Laptops until systemd showed it's ugly face. Now I install and look after several Gentoo Xfce desktops and 3 OpenSuse Xfce Laptops. I use a Cut Paste script to install Gentoo on Desktops. The only manual parts are booting a Gentoo USB stick, modifying hostname, ip address, user names and partitioning. When completed. Wen done, log in as user and set up email accounts and various eye candy. Sounds reasonable. Wouldn't it be great if that was an automated semantic we could all use? OpenSuse install on laptop involves booting of a installation USB stick, select Xfce Desktop, manually enter time zone, user name, counry, hostname, ip address, Samba, login as user and and set up email accounts and various eye candy. I am to stupid to install and get Gentoo to work on Laptops. Um, I disagree. The disk/bios/bootstrap issues are perverted by the manufacturers, particularly on laptops, tablets and embedded devices as to soot their business goals; hence on a laptop the preventative issues are magnified. You are not alone in this struggle. My dream would be to have the OpensSuse Yast installer and administration gui to install, configure and maintain Gentoo on Desktops and Laptops. This should be easy for a programmer whois familiar with Ruby and C. The Yast installer and administration gui's are nothing more than gui interfaced to various command line utilities. If it works, I'd use it, regardless of Yast. Maybe we can find a person that knows Yast (Ruby and such) to hire to write a similar installer for GEntoo? I'm not against hiring the right person to write a gentoo installer:: as long as I get a BTRFS raid 1 base system out of it. DONE DEAL! If anyone is interested, just drop me some private email. It has to open sourced. Yast was one of the reasons why I switched from SUSE to gentoo in 2003. IIRC one problem with Yast was that it used it's own configuration files and not the standard upstream configuration files of the installed packages. This sometimes made the manual configuration of packages very difficult for me, because the original package documentation refers to config files that I could not found on my SUSE system. Another caveat was that if one of the Yast config files was altered by hand, it was not possible to configure this file with Yast anymore. Of course in the beginning of my Linux experience (SuSE 4.2) I was happy that there was Yast because I came from OS/2 and it was a nightmare for me to configure Linux the first time, even with Yast. Without Yast I maybe would not use Linux today. Maybe Yast is better today, but in the past it was sometimes very frustrating. OK, so we need an expert here. Any takers? Make a few dollars and get famous for writing (hacking) a gentoo installer for the gentoo-commoners? Anyone? James I don't really think that there is a requirement for Ruby. Today's Yast2 is simply a GUI like grsync that calls on command line utilities. This can be done using the GTK C library. The Yast running in a terminal appears to be a ncurses interface to the same command line utilities. I could, with some help from a Bash coder, create a USB stick that runs Gentoo and a Bash script to install Gentoo on a hard drive. I have about 80% done as Cut Paste script. My bottleneck is running fdisk and feeding commands to fdisk from within a bash script. Running Gentoo from a USB stick with Grub static is no problem if you don't mind that its slw. I use 2TB USB drive with Gentoo Xfce installed to back up my families Laptops. Plug in the USB drive. Power on the Laptop, Login as Laptop-1. Click the Backup or Restore Icon to start the required rsync session. Have lunch or surf the net. Will make a image for a USB stick with or without Xfce if someone is seriously interested. This USB stick require DHCP from a router for networking and have only VGA video.
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT]: "New to aliexpress" pop up - how to block it?
On 07/16 03:12, R0b0t1 wrote: > On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 2:11 AM, <tu...@posteo.de> wrote: > > On 07/16 01:59, R0b0t1 wrote: > >> On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 1:47 AM, <tu...@posteo.de> wrote: > >> > Hi, > >> > > >> > that drives my insane: > >> > While searching items for my DIY Nixie clock on aliexpress I get > >> > one certain popup with each new access to aliexpress asking > >> > me, whether I am new to aliexpress and offers me a coupon. > >> > > >> > I have no othe chance than clicking on this [beep] pop up > >> > to be able to see the page contents. > >> > > >> > I searched the web for according informations how to block > >> > this [beep] popup, but I only get informations how to > >> > remove a certain kind of adware virus from Mac and Windows. > >> > > >> > Since this virus pops up an advertisement of constantly changing > >> > goods and is page filling I am sure I am not suffering from this. > >> > > >> > If anyone out there has solved this problem without disabling > >> > the possibility to /buy/ something on aliexpress PLEASE HELP > >> > ME. I AM NEAR INSANITY! ;) :) > >> > > >> > Thanks a lot in advance for any life saver! > >> > Cheers > >> > Meino > >> > > >> > >> You might be able to block the element on the page using uBlock > >> Origin, but unfortunately that type of ad is very hard to remove. If > >> you have to interact with it is harder to select using uBlock's > >> interface. > >> > >> You can also use Greasemonkey to block more invasive ads, but I never > >> had much luck with that. It's designed to do more than filter > >> background content. > >> > >> I feel like I need to ask whether or not you've done something like > >> disable cookies. I'd not suggest doing that, at most delete all of > >> them when you close your browser session. It's impossible to use most > >> pages without having cookies enabled (this makes automating things > >> with web libraries infuriating). > >> > >> R0b0t1. > >> > > > > Hi R0b0t1, > > > > For "normal browsing" I created a profile for firefox which is privacy > > enhanced -- blocking all sorts of things. This profile works half > > with the sites I normally visit. > > Aliexpress get screwed up when visited using this profile. > > > > So I created a second profile, which I use for Aliexpress only. This > > one has only some privacy related things enabled. Aliexpress works -- > > including poping up this [beep] "Are you new to Aliexpress?" popup. > > Cookies are enabled with this profile. > > > > Does it do this on every page load or just the first time you interact with > it? > I did the following: *** Surf to www.aliexpress.com (no popup and no way to search despite the fact that a search bar is shown.) *** Click on any product -- product will be displayed and popup pops up (hence the name), click the popup to remove it. Search bar now works. *** Click "reload tab"...the whole [beep] starts from the beginning. > > As soon as I login into Aliexpress the popup disappears -- now > > Aliexpress is satisfied, because tracking my searches is now > > personalized. > > > > If you can't find a way to target the overlay with uBlock Origin you > might try looking at https://greasyfork.org/en and using Greasemonkey. > Unfortunately all the premade scripts I could find were simple things > like pricing changes. Why Greasemonkey is especially use ful in this case? (this is curiosity -- and NO expression of doubt, R0b0t1! :) > > > Its the same reason for why buying via Aliexpress App on a > > smartphone/tablet is cheaper than using a PC. > > I am using XPrivacy on my Android tablet which shows, blocks > > or allows ANY access to permissions like "Get your location" > > et cetera -- I instantly deleted that App after I saw, what this > > App wants to know. > > > > It's sad to see another website doing this. There's a few that make it > all but impossible to use the service without logging in or supplying > information one way or another. If the creator of the website doesn't > want you to use it, I'm not sure there's a lot that can ultimately be > done about it. > > In a similar vein, my phone now displays advertising. The state of > computing has me despondent. For your phone: Root it, install XPosed/XPosedInstaller, install XPrivacy, install Bootmanager, install PreventRunning, install AFWall -- and your phone is yours again. Buying XPrivacy is worth every cent (it is cheap!) and it can be bought directly by its developer Marcel Bokhorst via Mony transfer -- no need to feed Google again! For more drop me a PM. > R0b0t1. >
Re: [gentoo-user] Switching default tmpfiles and faster internet coming my way.
antlists wrote: > On 04/12/2020 01:40, Dale wrote: >> Also, our local power company is about to start rolling out internet >> service. It's done with fiber and the slowest package, 200MBs/sec, is >> over 100 times faster than my current DSL. It only costs $4.00 a month >> more than what I'm paying now. Their fastest package is 1GBs/sec. >> Dang, I can't even imagine that sort of speed. Another good thing, same >> speed BOTH ways. I can upload videos just as fast as I can download >> one. Yeppie!! >> >> My only thing now, I hope it works like DSL/cable/etc and just requires >> me to plug in a ethernet cable. In other words, OS doesn't matter. I >> suspect it does but we will see. > > We went to fibre recently. They put a new box on the wall which takes > an RJ-45 instead of the previous situation where ADSL took an RJ-11. > > All the blurb says "works with BT Hub 6", which we already had, so I > didn't bother getting a new router (you had to pay for the "latest and > greatest" Hub 7). > > When the guy installed it - "where's you new router, it won't work > with this one". No apparently you can't just plug it into any old > network port, the router needs a dedicated WAN link and the Hub 6 came > in two versions, one with an ADSL modem and one with a fibre uplink. > > So it sounds like you need to swap your ADSL router for a cable router > or whatever it is, but apart from that you'll be fine. > > (And then some sales guy working on behalf of BT knocked on the door, > was surprised to find we were already BT customers, and rigged up some > deal that (a) threw in a Hub-7 free, (b) changed our calling plan to > remove the one-hour limit and add free calls to mobiles, and (c) > knocked about £2 off our monthly bill!!!) > > Cheers, > Wol > > I visited with my friend who recently got the same type of internet I'll be getting. Odds are, the boxes will be the same. She has hers through a power company and that's what I'm getting, just a different power company. Anyway, as I suspected, it has a little box which is the modem. It looks a lot like a old AT Westel modem. It's a little bit smaller but other than that, almost identical. Then there is a bigger box that is a router. I'm not sure of the brand but I don't think I've ever seen one like that before. It includes wifi as well as the usual 4 ethernet plugins. My friend only uses wifi. She has a TV, laptop and cell phone. Me, I'm desktop so I'd have a ethernet plug for mine. Wifi for my cell phone tho. Oh, printer too. I assume I can use my router. It has a ethernet cable going from modem to router. Looks pretty simple to me. If I can use my existing router, don't know why I can't, then it should be as simple as unplug cable from router, plug into new modem from power company and surf the internet, at blazingly fast speeds. Whoooshhh. I have links to pics I took. One is modem and one is the router. Anyone recognize the router? Anything special about it? https://freeimage.host/i/KBNa6b https://freeimage.host/i/KBNYMu I hope that site doesn't annoy anyone. I upload there but rarely go there for anything else. I need to have me a server thingy somewhere I can upload to and keep things safe. With this new internet, it is possible. It uploads and downloads at 200MB/sec. First backup may take a while but after that, it wouldn't be bad. I wouldn't think of doing that with current DSL tho. I'm excited to see this coming. This is as good as when I went from dial-up to DSL. Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] Re: Daniel Robbins' come back ?
Mick michaelkintzios at gmail.com writes: The problem is, and is not, legal papers. Because, IMO, legal papers are the visible part of an Iceberg. Could someone tell me what *really* is the crisis ? If people did not do what they were supposed to do : what should they have done ? Excellent point. I ask the question. Exactly what is Daniel proposing that has everyone so opposed to his return. Don't give generalized bullshit answers, BE PRECISE. The current lack of mature, focused leadership, by folks that are technically and financially successful is apparent if one just reads this list over a period of time. I say this as a mature Engineer with a Master's Degree in Computer Science. I make a good living out of my garage, and I've owned and sold several business for a nice profit, over the years.. (pit, I'm willing to coach the 'young punks' that make gentoo the wonderful distro it is, if they are willing to listen to my ideas. Let the community vote and decide. FUNDING is not a problem. FOCUS is the problem with Gentoo IMHO. Gentoo has issues with FUNDING, because of how it presents itself. Not having a clean, well oiled installation semantic is like meeting someone for the first time with green, rotten teeth and bad breathe that would stop a train. First impressions only happen once. The installation process is the first meeting (impression) for gentoo... I am equally agnostic of Gentoo management politics, albeit grateful that people volunteer their time and effort to keep it going. From the little exposure that I have had to it all it seems to me that Alan's views ring depressingly true. I read Daniel's blog and cannot disagree with what he suggests - it makes common sense that users views and desires should determine Gentoo's direction, but I have not read between the lines to see how might his proposals lead to directions that I would not readily agree with. This is such a simple issue to deal with. Before you (the gentoo community agree to let him be in charge, you put a group of other folks on the board of directors (elders). Allowing anyone to be president (in charge of the daily activities) and CEO, (the long range strategic focus) is a bad idea. It's called a balance of power, and that is fundamental to any successful organization. I very much want to find a way to turn the Gentoo Linux project into a profitable enterprise. My main motivation in wanting to do this is so I can stop living from paycheck to paycheck and focus my professional efforts exclusively on Gentoo Linux development. Many of our developers would like to do the same thing The daily (tribal) leaders should be accountable to the elders, when the elders say they need to be accountable. (PERIOD). It's just like parenting or running a corporation. Hopefully, as the organization matures, becomes accomplished and significant progress is achieved (natural things in the coarse of becoming successful) the interaction between the elders (Board of Directors and the tribal (fiefdom/team) leaders become less and less. As time progresses, elders retire (to successful start up companies and the tribal leaders migrate to the BOD or directly to successful startup companies centric to gentoo... (I am not critisizing this statement of his; after all I would very much like to find myself a sustainable way of being able to do what I like - without having to spend the biggest part of my day in my current job.) How about listening to those who have done this already? I could self fund a gentoo startup, tonight, with the right group of focused individuals. (see my previous postings on building a gentoo meta package for ecommerce... as just one example. Or the camera to embedded gentoo device in another thread. If you want a degree from a university, you have to do it the way of those (with degrees) that run the university. If you want money in your pockets (as an entrepreneur) then you have to listen to those entrepreneurs willing to share there success with you. Giving a free hand to any single person is not safe in my humble view, especially if that person is employed by Microsoft - I will find hard to rest assured that there will be no conflict of interest. I thinks the revelation that he has left MS and abandoned several other ventures means he has also 'matured' to the point of looking for a fresh start with at least modest success. On the other hand it seems that Gentoo desperately needs *mature* leadership, which can fulfill some rather significant responsibilities. No, surely you are pulling my leg here.? This is rather simple. Anyone with strong to elite skills send me your resume and tell me what kind of business you'd like to own. I'll surf through the desires and ideas and pick one (or use one I like) and fund the startup and give the key persons stock in a company you help start On the otherhand I've posted
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT - Need MythTV setup help (resend)
On Sat, 2006-01-07 at 19:50 -0800, Bob Sanders wrote: On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 18:42:09 -0600 Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I said, I tried setting up the evilwm stuff from the MythTV section on the Gentoo wiki. I ran kdm and selected Custom and logged in as my test user. The screen cleared and then it spit me back out at the kdm login screen. I looked at /var/log/kdm.log and everything looks normal to me: You didn't do anything wrong. And I'm not sure why it's kicking you back out. In my case, I run XDM and use Enlightenment as the window manager. With both being defined in /etc/rc.conf. Mythfrontend does run fine with that combo. One thing I note is the backend is still telling you that mythsetup hasn't been run to attach a channel to the port and to the rest of the setup. That step is not detailed in the wiki. You need to assign the those via mythsetup, before running the front end Surf to - http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-9.html and scroll down to jusr passed the STOP sign, and work through - Mythtv-setup. Bob - I followed the howto. When I finished mythfilldatabase the last output was: Adjusting program database end times... 0 replacements made. Marking repeats...found 0 Unmarking repeats from grabber that fall within our new episode window...found 0 2006-01-07 22:12:13.548 Connecting to backend server: 192.168.1.3:6543 (try 1 of 5) Connection timed out. You probably should modify the Master Server settings in the setup program and set the proper IP address. error resceduling id -1 in ScheduledRecording::signalChange Should mythbackend be running when I run mythfilldatabase? The howto seemed to suggest not... mythbackend keeps dying. Here's the output: camille ~ # mythbackend 2006-01-07 22:15:28.054 New DB connection, total: 1 Starting up as the master server. 2006-01-07 22:15:28.099 New DB connection, total: 2 2006-01-07 22:15:28.138 New DB scheduler connection 2006-01-07 22:15:28.163 mythbackend version: 0.18.1.20050510-1 www.mythtv.org 2006-01-07 22:15:28.163 Enabled verbose msgs : important general 2006-01-07 22:15:30.159 Reschedule requested for id -1. 2006-01-07 22:15:30.186 Scheduled 0 items in 0.0 = 0.02 match + 0.01 place 2006-01-07 22:15:30.203 Seem to be woken up by USER 2006-01-07 22:15:38.165 New DB connection, total: 3 Killed There's no mythbackend.log in /var/log/mythtv (there usually is when there's an error), and if I just restart mythbackend it seems to stay up, though I can't figure out why it's doing it. Here's more output: camille ~ # mythbackend 2006-01-07 22:31:50.420 New DB connection, total: 1 Starting up as the master server. 2006-01-07 22:31:50.602 New DB connection, total: 2 2006-01-07 22:31:50.968 New DB scheduler connection 2006-01-07 22:31:51.145 mythbackend version: 0.18.1.20050510-1 www.mythtv.org 2006-01-07 22:31:51.146 Enabled verbose msgs : important general 2006-01-07 22:31:52.982 Reschedule requested for id -1. 2006-01-07 22:31:53.156 Scheduled 0 items in 0.1 = 0.01 match + 0.10 place 2006-01-07 22:31:53.165 Seem to be woken up by USER 2006-01-07 22:32:01.149 New DB connection, total: 3 2006-01-07 22:32:01.276 New DB connection, total: 4 2006-01-07 22:32:01.311 New DB connection, total: 5 2006-01-07 22:32:22.076 MainServer::HandleAnnounce Playback 2006-01-07 22:32:22.077 adding: camille as a client (events: 0) 2006-01-07 22:32:22.111 MainServer::HandleAnnounce Playback 2006-01-07 22:32:22.111 adding: camille as a client (events: 1) 2006-01-07 22:32:22.132 MainServer::HandleAnnounce Playback 2006-01-07 22:32:22.133 adding: camille as a client (events: 0) 2006-01-07 22:32:22.171 MainServer::HandleAnnounce Playback 2006-01-07 22:32:22.171 adding: camille as a client (events: 0) 2006-01-07 22:32:22.190 adding: camille as a remote ringbuffer 2006-01-07 22:32:22.294 Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV 2006-01-07 22:32:22.413 NVR: Won't work with the streaming interface, falling back VIDOCGMBUF:: Invalid argument 2006-01-07 22:32:22.450 TVRec: Recording Prematurely Stopped Killed mythfrontend is no longer freezing up after a 1.5 seconds (or as far as I can tell it's not) Instead it's just giving me a blank screen. On a previous run it told me that I should go into TV Settings-Recording Profiles-Sofware Encoders and set them up. I found them in mythfrontend and selected their default settings. Now it still dies and I still get the blank screen in mythfrontend... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: A New Linux Way
Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace.net.au writes: Me too. Yet Linux lacks a robust open source SCADA plan. Because there isn't the money for some company to come in and push Linux as being the Way To Go, sell lots of licenses, and make profits. Linux doesn't work that way - too many distributions, too much open source - it scares people (people who want to invest). Well that's why a SCADA plan on Linux is what's needed. It not that it's linux, its that it is a robust SCADA on Linux. Then it can run on any (linux)distro. Gentoo just happens to be one of the better choices. NO you do not have to sell the SCADA software. The money, as IBM puts it is in the installation, consulting, customization, and support of this proposed Linux based SCADA software. Young/new developers would gain keen insight into how the software works, and could become consultants to large organizations or use it for a small business. The bottom line is the number of DSPs, micro controllers, CPU, FPGA and many other sorts of processors are getting 'connected'. Sooner or later the collective Linux community is going to have to address massive machine control. Technical persons will be managing tens of thousands of processors, via computer, and consumers and other users will not be able to surf thru thousands of vendor supplied software applications. For exammple, just go and try to find your copy of a manual to something electrical you purchased more than 3 years ago. Chances are (statistically) the manuals are gone. With operating systems just look at the amount of hardware that is controllable via the kernel, compared to 5 years ago. We are building many, many more electrical devices and it sure would be much simpler to develop software as a management systems approach for thousands of different devices, as opposed to getting the latest vendor supplied application happy with yet another device. But, if something you want in Linux doesn't exist yet, write it! That's the whole point. Why should lots of individuals and small companies spin their own SCADA software package for linux? Why not get a few top developers to develop a SCADA package for linux, then many, many small companies can make money migrating companies with Microsoft base SCADA to Linux Based SCADA, then there is money to develop the SCADA package further. Once the LINUX SCADA system is organized, many other folks could contribute. I have offered money to any young, talented person wanting to make a name for themselves by championing the cause to develop an open source SCADA system for (Gentoo) linux. No takers. none. Why? This could become an excellent opportunity to teach software development, and migrate the industrial world to Gentoo. We got sick of the pricey commercial SCADA packages that just didn't work well enough, so we wrote our own. We started with the visualisation software, wrote our own data logging software, moved onto a communications library (which we have running on a number of PLC's, real time PC's, windows PC's, industrial controllers, etc) and we're improving it all the time. I'm sure many other companies have done the same thing, but you just don't hear about it. We've just nearly completed a rewrite of the visualisation software, that allows people (for now, just us, in the future, customers) to easily create their own 'screens' to view and control devices. Yes, but with hundreds of different PLCs and other devices, wouldn't it make more sense to develop drivers once and a unified SCADA package for linux that is widely used and supported? Imagine if every company wrote their own MTA or web browser what a waste of talent. In fact, not long ago we tested our version of our visualisation and communication software against a commercial SCADA package using Modbus TCP over a satellite link. Let me just say that Modbus was atrociously unresponsive in comparison. We've built our software to handle bad connections, especially poor 9600bps modems to remote areas (but I digress)... We've chosen Gentoo to go on our HMI PC's, as well as our industrial controllers (Look back in the archives for some discussions on getting Gentoo to fit in under 64Mb). Which/what controller hardware runs Gentoo? My answer to Savior Linux is put the check into the mail, and I'll be right there. I think it works the other way around. You might have to do something first, and then see if the check turns up. No, I think you missed the point. The original author is offering vapor-financing. I'm willing to finance a serious SCADA development effort, particularly in the early stages with an open source public license. video controls and display of video needs to be added to the SCADA software. Not there yet. Don't know that we're heading in that direction either... Well let's consider an example, forget intrusion (physical) detection as it's obvious. Consider a very large pump station pulling
[gentoo-user] XSESSION=Xsession doesn't work!
Hi there, I'm fairly experienced with Linux and have been using Gentoo for over 3 years, but mostly I only use it on headless servers, so I'm afraid I don't know much about GUI stuff. I've just installed Gentoo on my PS3, which I want to use mostly for playing DVDs at the moment (and as a MythTV frontend eventually). My expectations when running X (let's say adding /etc/init.d/xdm to the default runlevel) are that I'm presented with a login prompt, there should be a mouse cursor stuff and when I log in I should be presented with a terminal window in which I can type my command to run `mplayer` or whatever. I'd expect shortly to get mplayer or vlc or something running automatically when the system completes booting-up - this is what MythTV users typically do so that their system behaves more like a TV- appliance than a Linux machine - but I'd like to skip that for the moment whilst I log in as my own user, play with different media players work out which one suits me best. Gentoo for the PS3 is supplied as a LiveCD for chrooting and a stage4 tarball - I've only ever used stage1 (3 or more years ago) and stage3 (more recently) tarballs in the past. This stage4 is quick to set up and the basics seem to work very well - I can log in at the framebuffer surf the internet using elinks :D. This stag4 also includes fluxbox, which I haven't used before am not really interested in but which I haven't uninstalled yet. The Gentoo X Server Configuration HOWTO http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/ xorg-config.xml has much that doesn't seem relevant to me right now, seeing as the stage comes with both Xorg itself and a suitable xorg.conf for the PS3 preinstalled, but if I skip to just after code listing 3.6 it tells me how the value of XSESSION is read from /etc/ rc.conf Reading /etc/rc.conf I find: # Xsession - will start a terminal and a few other nice apps This seem perfect for me. I don't care that it's described elsewhere as ugly - I think this is twm, Xorg's own default window-manager? - but if it pops open a terminal window when I log in, and maybe xclock then I'm good to go. What confuses me is that this doesn't work. It works perfectly if I set: XSESSION=fluxbox - I get the fluxbox menubar at the bottom of the screen and I can open terminal windows stuff but not when I set XSESSION=Xsession Diagnostics I can think of: $ grep ^X /etc/rc.conf XSESSION=Xsession $ ls -l /etc/X11/Sessions/ total 8 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2187 Jun 10 19:31 Xsession -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 22 Jun 10 19:50 fluxbox $ grep DISPLAYMANAGER /etc/conf.d/xdm DISPLAYMANAGER=xdm When I log in remotely run `sudo /etc/init.d/xdm start` I get a simple login window with an X11-type logo on the right-hand side. Once I use the connected keyboard mouse - which work perfectly - to enter my user password I see a window titled Session Menu; it appears to have a kind of text box in which is displayed chooseSessionListWidget - all I can choose is the Failsafe / Default which gives me a grey X11 background with the (correct) chunky black X cursor. No terminals or other windows open and I'm unable to work out how the heck to start an app. When I `sudo /etc/ init.d/xdm restart` via SSH I again get the login window and this time the Session Menu says fail safe in the text box - I now have extra load session delete session buttons but they don't do anything useful. I have followed the pointers in the startx no longer gives gnome thread http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/185659 but no joy. If, instead of starting `/etc/init.d/xdm`, I log in at the framebuffer prompt and type ` XSESSION=Xsession startx` I again get the Session Menu window and the X cursor, but this time a black background behind that widow and a _black_ screen when I log in. There's no .xsession stuff in my home directory - I even deleted ~/.*to be paranoid-sure of this. Whups, there goes my bash history!! None of the log files show anything useful or relevant - I've even run `watch -n 0.3 ls -lt /var/log/` and the only ones that change are xdm.log, Xorg.0.log and the weird binary file wtmp. They all show X starting swimingly but not the sesssion stuff. I don't know what else to say. What's weird is that I _did_ see the expected terminal windows opening yesterday, but I can't reproduce them now. The behaviour seemed to be correct when I ran `startx` but not when I added xdm to the default runlevel started it that way. But now it doesn't work at all. I've attached the actual /etc/X11/Sessions/Xsession file, but I'm sure this is unchanged - I'm sure it's exactly as shipped by Gentoo by default. I've thought about replacing that with a simple `echo hello world`, but I'm not sure how to do that within the X11 environment. Many thanks indeed for the time you've taken reading this, and for your patience
Re: [gentoo-user] XSESSION=Xsession doesn't work!
On Dienstag, 17. Juli 2007, Stroller wrote: Hi there, I'm fairly experienced with Linux and have been using Gentoo for over 3 years, but mostly I only use it on headless servers, so I'm afraid I don't know much about GUI stuff. I've just installed Gentoo on my PS3, which I want to use mostly for playing DVDs at the moment (and as a MythTV frontend eventually). My expectations when running X (let's say adding /etc/init.d/xdm to the default runlevel) are that I'm presented with a login prompt, there should be a mouse cursor stuff and when I log in I should be presented with a terminal window in which I can type my command to run `mplayer` or whatever. I'd expect shortly to get mplayer or vlc or something running automatically when the system completes booting-up - this is what MythTV users typically do so that their system behaves more like a TV- appliance than a Linux machine - but I'd like to skip that for the moment whilst I log in as my own user, play with different media players work out which one suits me best. Gentoo for the PS3 is supplied as a LiveCD for chrooting and a stage4 tarball - I've only ever used stage1 (3 or more years ago) and stage3 (more recently) tarballs in the past. This stage4 is quick to set up and the basics seem to work very well - I can log in at the framebuffer surf the internet using elinks :D. This stag4 also includes fluxbox, which I haven't used before am not really interested in but which I haven't uninstalled yet. The Gentoo X Server Configuration HOWTO http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/ xorg-config.xml has much that doesn't seem relevant to me right now, seeing as the stage comes with both Xorg itself and a suitable xorg.conf for the PS3 preinstalled, but if I skip to just after code listing 3.6 it tells me how the value of XSESSION is read from /etc/ rc.conf Reading /etc/rc.conf I find: # Xsession - will start a terminal and a few other nice apps This seem perfect for me. I don't care that it's described elsewhere as ugly - I think this is twm, Xorg's own default window-manager? - but if it pops open a terminal window when I log in, and maybe xclock then I'm good to go. What confuses me is that this doesn't work. It works perfectly if I set: XSESSION=fluxbox - I get the fluxbox menubar at the bottom of the screen and I can open terminal windows stuff but not when I set XSESSION=Xsession Diagnostics I can think of: $ grep ^X /etc/rc.conf XSESSION=Xsession $ ls -l /etc/X11/Sessions/ total 8 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2187 Jun 10 19:31 Xsession -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 22 Jun 10 19:50 fluxbox $ grep DISPLAYMANAGER /etc/conf.d/xdm DISPLAYMANAGER=xdm When I log in remotely run `sudo /etc/init.d/xdm start` I get a simple login window with an X11-type logo on the right-hand side. Once I use the connected keyboard mouse - which work perfectly - to enter my user password I see a window titled Session Menu; it appears to have a kind of text box in which is displayed chooseSessionListWidget - all I can choose is the Failsafe / Default which gives me a grey X11 background with the (correct) chunky black X cursor. No terminals or other windows open and I'm unable to work out how the heck to start an app. When I `sudo /etc/ init.d/xdm restart` via SSH I again get the login window and this time the Session Menu says fail safe in the text box - I now have extra load session delete session buttons but they don't do anything useful. I have followed the pointers in the startx no longer gives gnome thread http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/185659 but no joy. If, instead of starting `/etc/init.d/xdm`, I log in at the framebuffer prompt and type ` XSESSION=Xsession startx` I again get the Session Menu window and the X cursor, but this time a black background behind that widow and a _black_ screen when I log in. There's no .xsession stuff in my home directory - I even deleted ~/.*to be paranoid-sure of this. Whups, there goes my bash history!! None of the log files show anything useful or relevant - I've even run `watch -n 0.3 ls -lt /var/log/` and the only ones that change are xdm.log, Xorg.0.log and the weird binary file wtmp. They all show X starting swimingly but not the sesssion stuff. I don't know what else to say. What's weird is that I _did_ see the expected terminal windows opening yesterday, but I can't reproduce them now. The behaviour seemed to be correct when I ran `startx` but not when I added xdm to the default runlevel started it that way. But now it doesn't work at all. I've attached the actual /etc/X11/Sessions/Xsession file, but I'm sure this is unchanged - I'm sure it's exactly as shipped by Gentoo by default. I've thought about replacing that with a simple `echo hello world`, but I'm not sure how to do that within the X11 environment. Many thanks indeed for the time you've taken reading this, and for your
[gentoo-user] Re: ATI Radeon 9550
sean tech.junk at verizon.net writes: I emerged the latest drivers you specified above and -dri stable drivers, these actually compiled. The xorg configure keeps crashing, but I played around with my earlier xorg config. Well, if you like I'll email directly to you my xorg.conf file for my ati-1900. There are numerous differences compared to any of my radeon compatible xorg.conf files... Here is a real odd one. Having specified the radeon driver, started xorg, and it fails stating cannot find the radeon driver. Hold on a second; you need to 'double check' my advice because I did everything over and over, including building new kernels with the options that various web pages recommended, before I got mine to work. So I'll give you advice and relate my experiences, but, I do not have ati-drivers worked out to the point of a flawless (correct) installation proceedure. Sometimes you just have to bang on the install a few times. What is really needed is for one of the smart peole on this list to write a simple one page wiki for ati-drivers, with version 8.32.5 and xorg 7.1. That said here goes: A. You are not running the 'radeon driver' you are running the ati-drivers binary driver, sometimes referred to a fglrx B. /etc/make.conf: I have this entry, because somebody told me that what they did, not that is was perfectly correct: VIDEO_CARDS=radeon vesa vesa is the backup if radeon croakes yes it conflicts with what I just told you, but, who knows? Ati driver referred to a radeon? C. 'modules-update' needs to be ran after building kernels and after rebuildling xorg-x11? (or something like that). D. Graphics acceleration (dri, drm, fglrx, glxgears, opengl etc etc) and many more specific are still a little confusing to me. So you have to surf the various web pages and figure out a sequence that works... E. No matter what I did, mine did not work, until I deleted my xorg.conf and used 'xorgconfig' to build a new file from scratch. If you do that Then you have to get the monitor work and check what modules you are loading. When I first generated the file, only a few modules where in the xorg.conf and it worked fine: Load dbe Load freetype Load dri Load glx Did a slocate for radeon_drv and it located it in the proper xorg location for the drivers. Tried xorg again, it failed the same way. Went to the driver location, and the radeon driver is not present. Tried an slocate again, it states that the radeon driver is where it should be. At a loss for this one. man updatedb tells you that in order to update the database that slocate access, you have to periodically run 'updatedb' after updates I use this command string to catch the system files and other things I use (like slocate): env-update source /etc/profile etc-update update-eix eupdatedb come up with your onw scheme and use it, so you do not get caught with the slocate, eix or other tools, out of wack. Right now to simplify things removing SMP from the kernel, saw a lot of remarks stating SMP often on early versions of the driver caused problems. I keep 4 or more kernels on every system. When I run into issues, I can just go back a few revs/versions on kernels to see if that is an issue. I experiment with lots of kernel options and stuff, as do many gentoo folks... Has anyone tried the driver install script right from ati instead of portage? nope, but the page I used which I have now lost the bookmark to was discovered right after looking at the ati site. It was not even gentoo specific. I am just about ready to go get an nvidia card. Well, that's your business, but as a firmware engineer, I do not see nvidia as any better. In fact they *NEVER* release hardware details about driver cards. I'm not so sure that the problems with figuring out problems with ati-drivers is so much due to the lack of ati-driver quality, as it is with a lack of enthusiasm with the folks that take the published ati-binaries and package the drivers for the varous versions of linux kernels, X sources, and linux distros. yea it's my opinion, but, I write firmware all day long and deal with digital hardware and semiconductor vendors but it's just a feeling resulting in an option Futhermore, just look at the amount of old gentoo documentation that has not even been update for xorg 7.x or the newer (testing) ati-drivers). Even in the gentoo community, there is little enthusiams to straighten out the documentation mess surrounding Even if Nvidia is better (which I doubt) certainly we can maintain the ATI docs in a little bit more concise manner, just like amd and intel are both supported, but amd64 definately is more linux friendly. Which leads me to hope that AMD cleans up the ati-drivers mess also. Futhermore if you follow the kernel stuffage, you definately see certain vendors and their consultants and employees gaining uneven treatment with the whole area of drivers(again in my opinion
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT]: "New to aliexpress" pop up - how to block it?
On 07/16 02:45, Urs Schütz wrote: > On 07/16/17 14:08, tu...@posteo.de wrote: > > On 07/16 01:58, Urs Schütz wrote: > > > On 07/16/17 05:56, R0b0t1 wrote: > > > > On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 3:44 AM, <tu...@posteo.de> wrote: > > > > > On 07/16 03:12, R0b0t1 wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 2:11 AM, <tu...@posteo.de> wrote: > > > > > > > On 07/16 01:59, R0b0t1 wrote: > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 1:47 AM, <tu...@posteo.de> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that drives my insane: > > > > > > > > > While searching items for my DIY Nixie clock on aliexpress I > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > one certain popup with each new access to aliexpress asking > > > > > > > > > me, whether I am new to aliexpress and offers me a coupon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have no othe chance than clicking on this [beep] pop up > > > > > > > > > to be able to see the page contents. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I searched the web for according informations how to block > > > > > > > > > this [beep] popup, but I only get informations how to > > > > > > > > > remove a certain kind of adware virus from Mac and Windows. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since this virus pops up an advertisement of constantly > > > > > > > > > changing > > > > > > > > > goods and is page filling I am sure I am not suffering from > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone out there has solved this problem without disabling > > > > > > > > > the possibility to /buy/ something on aliexpress PLEASE HELP > > > > > > > > > ME. I AM NEAR INSANITY! ;) :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot in advance for any life saver! > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > > Meino > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You might be able to block the element on the page using uBlock > > > > > > > > Origin, but unfortunately that type of ad is very hard to > > > > > > > > remove. If > > > > > > > > you have to interact with it is harder to select using uBlock's > > > > > > > > interface. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can also use Greasemonkey to block more invasive ads, but I > > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > had much luck with that. It's designed to do more than filter > > > > > > > > background content. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I feel like I need to ask whether or not you've done something > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > disable cookies. I'd not suggest doing that, at most delete all > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > them when you close your browser session. It's impossible to > > > > > > > > use most > > > > > > > > pages without having cookies enabled (this makes automating > > > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > with web libraries infuriating). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > R0b0t1. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi R0b0t1, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For "normal browsing" I created a profile for firefox which is > > > > > > > privacy > > > > > > > enhanced -- blocking all sorts of things. This profile works half > > > > > > > with the sites I normally visit. > > > > > > > Aliexpress get screwed up when visited using this profile. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I created a second profile, which I use for Aliexpress only.
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT]: "New to aliexpress" pop up - how to block it?
On 07/16/17 05:56, R0b0t1 wrote: On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 3:44 AM, <tu...@posteo.de> wrote: On 07/16 03:12, R0b0t1 wrote: On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 2:11 AM, <tu...@posteo.de> wrote: On 07/16 01:59, R0b0t1 wrote: On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 1:47 AM, <tu...@posteo.de> wrote: Hi, that drives my insane: While searching items for my DIY Nixie clock on aliexpress I get one certain popup with each new access to aliexpress asking me, whether I am new to aliexpress and offers me a coupon. I have no othe chance than clicking on this [beep] pop up to be able to see the page contents. I searched the web for according informations how to block this [beep] popup, but I only get informations how to remove a certain kind of adware virus from Mac and Windows. Since this virus pops up an advertisement of constantly changing goods and is page filling I am sure I am not suffering from this. If anyone out there has solved this problem without disabling the possibility to /buy/ something on aliexpress PLEASE HELP ME. I AM NEAR INSANITY! ;) :) Thanks a lot in advance for any life saver! Cheers Meino You might be able to block the element on the page using uBlock Origin, but unfortunately that type of ad is very hard to remove. If you have to interact with it is harder to select using uBlock's interface. You can also use Greasemonkey to block more invasive ads, but I never had much luck with that. It's designed to do more than filter background content. I feel like I need to ask whether or not you've done something like disable cookies. I'd not suggest doing that, at most delete all of them when you close your browser session. It's impossible to use most pages without having cookies enabled (this makes automating things with web libraries infuriating). R0b0t1. Hi R0b0t1, For "normal browsing" I created a profile for firefox which is privacy enhanced -- blocking all sorts of things. This profile works half with the sites I normally visit. Aliexpress get screwed up when visited using this profile. So I created a second profile, which I use for Aliexpress only. This one has only some privacy related things enabled. Aliexpress works -- including poping up this [beep] "Are you new to Aliexpress?" popup. Cookies are enabled with this profile. Does it do this on every page load or just the first time you interact with it? I did the following: *** Surf to www.aliexpress.com (no popup and no way to search despite the fact that a search bar is shown.) *** Click on any product -- product will be displayed and popup pops up (hence the name), click the popup to remove it. Search bar now works. *** Click "reload tab"...the whole [beep] starts from the beginning. I've managed to block something similar using uBlock Origin, but it was really hard to select it with the GUI picker that creates blocking rules for you. The technical term for what the website is using is called a popover and I remember people talking about blocking them with uBlock Origin because they are hard to block, but I can't find anything relevant to this discussion in Google. As soon as I login into Aliexpress the popup disappears -- now Aliexpress is satisfied, because tracking my searches is now personalized. If you can't find a way to target the overlay with uBlock Origin you might try looking at https://greasyfork.org/en and using Greasemonkey. Unfortunately all the premade scripts I could find were simple things like pricing changes. Why Greasemonkey is especially use ful in this case? (this is curiosity -- and NO expression of doubt, R0b0t1! :) Greasemonkey injects JavaScript onto your webpages based on filter criteria, so you can effectively do anything your browser can do when displaying the webpage. Some of the more impressive feats are reengineered webpages that are better than the original service, most of them are mundane and only alter a few values on a webpage. You can also use it for laser-guided adblocking if you need to. Unfortunately Greasemonkey requires quite a bit of knowledge about itself, web development, and the page you are trying to modify, so I can't be of much help apropos. Its the same reason for why buying via Aliexpress App on a smartphone/tablet is cheaper than using a PC. I am using XPrivacy on my Android tablet which shows, blocks or allows ANY access to permissions like "Get your location" et cetera -- I instantly deleted that App after I saw, what this App wants to know. It's sad to see another website doing this. There's a few that make it all but impossible to use the service without logging in or supplying information one way or another. If the creator of the website doesn't want you to use it, I'm not sure there's a lot that can ultimately be done about it. In a similar vein, my phone now displays advertising. The state of computing has me despondent. For your phone: Root it, install XPosed/XPosedInstaller, install XPrivacy
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT]: "New to aliexpress" pop up - how to block it?
On 07/16 01:58, Urs Schütz wrote: > On 07/16/17 05:56, R0b0t1 wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 3:44 AM, <tu...@posteo.de> wrote: > > > On 07/16 03:12, R0b0t1 wrote: > > > > On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 2:11 AM, <tu...@posteo.de> wrote: > > > > > On 07/16 01:59, R0b0t1 wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 1:47 AM, <tu...@posteo.de> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that drives my insane: > > > > > > > While searching items for my DIY Nixie clock on aliexpress I get > > > > > > > one certain popup with each new access to aliexpress asking > > > > > > > me, whether I am new to aliexpress and offers me a coupon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have no othe chance than clicking on this [beep] pop up > > > > > > > to be able to see the page contents. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I searched the web for according informations how to block > > > > > > > this [beep] popup, but I only get informations how to > > > > > > > remove a certain kind of adware virus from Mac and Windows. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since this virus pops up an advertisement of constantly changing > > > > > > > goods and is page filling I am sure I am not suffering from this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone out there has solved this problem without disabling > > > > > > > the possibility to /buy/ something on aliexpress PLEASE HELP > > > > > > > ME. I AM NEAR INSANITY! ;) :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot in advance for any life saver! > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > Meino > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You might be able to block the element on the page using uBlock > > > > > > Origin, but unfortunately that type of ad is very hard to remove. If > > > > > > you have to interact with it is harder to select using uBlock's > > > > > > interface. > > > > > > > > > > > > You can also use Greasemonkey to block more invasive ads, but I > > > > > > never > > > > > > had much luck with that. It's designed to do more than filter > > > > > > background content. > > > > > > > > > > > > I feel like I need to ask whether or not you've done something like > > > > > > disable cookies. I'd not suggest doing that, at most delete all of > > > > > > them when you close your browser session. It's impossible to use > > > > > > most > > > > > > pages without having cookies enabled (this makes automating things > > > > > > with web libraries infuriating). > > > > > > > > > > > > R0b0t1. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi R0b0t1, > > > > > > > > > > For "normal browsing" I created a profile for firefox which is privacy > > > > > enhanced -- blocking all sorts of things. This profile works half > > > > > with the sites I normally visit. > > > > > Aliexpress get screwed up when visited using this profile. > > > > > > > > > > So I created a second profile, which I use for Aliexpress only. This > > > > > one has only some privacy related things enabled. Aliexpress works -- > > > > > including poping up this [beep] "Are you new to Aliexpress?" popup. > > > > > Cookies are enabled with this profile. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does it do this on every page load or just the first time you interact > > > > with it? > > > > > > > > > > I did the following: > > > *** Surf to www.aliexpress.com (no popup and no way to search despite > > > the fact that a search bar is shown.) > > > *** Click on any product -- product will be displayed and popup pops > > > up (hence the name), click the popup to remove it. Search bar now works. > > > *** Click "reload tab"...the whole [beep] starts from the beginning. > > > > > > > I've managed to block something similar using uBlock Origin, but it > > was really hard
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT]: "New to aliexpress" pop up - how to block it?
On 07/16/17 14:08, tu...@posteo.de wrote: On 07/16 01:58, Urs Schütz wrote: On 07/16/17 05:56, R0b0t1 wrote: On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 3:44 AM, <tu...@posteo.de> wrote: On 07/16 03:12, R0b0t1 wrote: On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 2:11 AM, <tu...@posteo.de> wrote: On 07/16 01:59, R0b0t1 wrote: On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 1:47 AM, <tu...@posteo.de> wrote: Hi, that drives my insane: While searching items for my DIY Nixie clock on aliexpress I get one certain popup with each new access to aliexpress asking me, whether I am new to aliexpress and offers me a coupon. I have no othe chance than clicking on this [beep] pop up to be able to see the page contents. I searched the web for according informations how to block this [beep] popup, but I only get informations how to remove a certain kind of adware virus from Mac and Windows. Since this virus pops up an advertisement of constantly changing goods and is page filling I am sure I am not suffering from this. If anyone out there has solved this problem without disabling the possibility to /buy/ something on aliexpress PLEASE HELP ME. I AM NEAR INSANITY! ;) :) Thanks a lot in advance for any life saver! Cheers Meino You might be able to block the element on the page using uBlock Origin, but unfortunately that type of ad is very hard to remove. If you have to interact with it is harder to select using uBlock's interface. You can also use Greasemonkey to block more invasive ads, but I never had much luck with that. It's designed to do more than filter background content. I feel like I need to ask whether or not you've done something like disable cookies. I'd not suggest doing that, at most delete all of them when you close your browser session. It's impossible to use most pages without having cookies enabled (this makes automating things with web libraries infuriating). R0b0t1. Hi R0b0t1, For "normal browsing" I created a profile for firefox which is privacy enhanced -- blocking all sorts of things. This profile works half with the sites I normally visit. Aliexpress get screwed up when visited using this profile. So I created a second profile, which I use for Aliexpress only. This one has only some privacy related things enabled. Aliexpress works -- including poping up this [beep] "Are you new to Aliexpress?" popup. Cookies are enabled with this profile. Does it do this on every page load or just the first time you interact with it? I did the following: *** Surf to www.aliexpress.com (no popup and no way to search despite the fact that a search bar is shown.) *** Click on any product -- product will be displayed and popup pops up (hence the name), click the popup to remove it. Search bar now works. *** Click "reload tab"...the whole [beep] starts from the beginning. I've managed to block something similar using uBlock Origin, but it was really hard to select it with the GUI picker that creates blocking rules for you. The technical term for what the website is using is called a popover and I remember people talking about blocking them with uBlock Origin because they are hard to block, but I can't find anything relevant to this discussion in Google. As soon as I login into Aliexpress the popup disappears -- now Aliexpress is satisfied, because tracking my searches is now personalized. If you can't find a way to target the overlay with uBlock Origin you might try looking at https://greasyfork.org/en and using Greasemonkey. Unfortunately all the premade scripts I could find were simple things like pricing changes. Why Greasemonkey is especially use ful in this case? (this is curiosity -- and NO expression of doubt, R0b0t1! :) Greasemonkey injects JavaScript onto your webpages based on filter criteria, so you can effectively do anything your browser can do when displaying the webpage. Some of the more impressive feats are reengineered webpages that are better than the original service, most of them are mundane and only alter a few values on a webpage. You can also use it for laser-guided adblocking if you need to. Unfortunately Greasemonkey requires quite a bit of knowledge about itself, web development, and the page you are trying to modify, so I can't be of much help apropos. Its the same reason for why buying via Aliexpress App on a smartphone/tablet is cheaper than using a PC. I am using XPrivacy on my Android tablet which shows, blocks or allows ANY access to permissions like "Get your location" et cetera -- I instantly deleted that App after I saw, what this App wants to know. It's sad to see another website doing this. There's a few that make it all but impossible to use the service without logging in or supplying information one way or another. If the creator of the website doesn't want you to use it, I'm not sure there's a lot that can ultimately be done about it. In a similar vein, my phone now displays advertising. The state of computing has me
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT]: "New to aliexpress" pop up - how to block it?
On 07/16 08:00, tu...@posteo.de wrote: > On 07/16 02:45, Urs Schütz wrote: > > On 07/16/17 14:08, tu...@posteo.de wrote: > > > On 07/16 01:58, Urs Schütz wrote: > > > > On 07/16/17 05:56, R0b0t1 wrote: > > > > > On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 3:44 AM, <tu...@posteo.de> wrote: > > > > > > On 07/16 03:12, R0b0t1 wrote: > > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 2:11 AM, <tu...@posteo.de> wrote: > > > > > > > > On 07/16 01:59, R0b0t1 wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 1:47 AM, <tu...@posteo.de> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that drives my insane: > > > > > > > > > > While searching items for my DIY Nixie clock on aliexpress > > > > > > > > > > I get > > > > > > > > > > one certain popup with each new access to aliexpress asking > > > > > > > > > > me, whether I am new to aliexpress and offers me a coupon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have no othe chance than clicking on this [beep] pop up > > > > > > > > > > to be able to see the page contents. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I searched the web for according informations how to block > > > > > > > > > > this [beep] popup, but I only get informations how to > > > > > > > > > > remove a certain kind of adware virus from Mac and Windows. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since this virus pops up an advertisement of constantly > > > > > > > > > > changing > > > > > > > > > > goods and is page filling I am sure I am not suffering from > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone out there has solved this problem without > > > > > > > > > > disabling > > > > > > > > > > the possibility to /buy/ something on aliexpress PLEASE HELP > > > > > > > > > > ME. I AM NEAR INSANITY! ;) :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot in advance for any life saver! > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > > > Meino > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You might be able to block the element on the page using > > > > > > > > > uBlock > > > > > > > > > Origin, but unfortunately that type of ad is very hard to > > > > > > > > > remove. If > > > > > > > > > you have to interact with it is harder to select using > > > > > > > > > uBlock's > > > > > > > > > interface. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can also use Greasemonkey to block more invasive ads, but > > > > > > > > > I never > > > > > > > > > had much luck with that. It's designed to do more than filter > > > > > > > > > background content. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I feel like I need to ask whether or not you've done > > > > > > > > > something like > > > > > > > > > disable cookies. I'd not suggest doing that, at most delete > > > > > > > > > all of > > > > > > > > > them when you close your browser session. It's impossible to > > > > > > > > > use most > > > > > > > > > pages without having cookies enabled (this makes automating > > > > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > > with web libraries infuriating). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > R0b0t1. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi R0b0t1, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For "norm
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT]: "New to aliexpress" pop up - how to block it?
On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 3:44 AM, <tu...@posteo.de> wrote: > On 07/16 03:12, R0b0t1 wrote: >> On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 2:11 AM, <tu...@posteo.de> wrote: >> > On 07/16 01:59, R0b0t1 wrote: >> >> On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 1:47 AM, <tu...@posteo.de> wrote: >> >> > Hi, >> >> > >> >> > that drives my insane: >> >> > While searching items for my DIY Nixie clock on aliexpress I get >> >> > one certain popup with each new access to aliexpress asking >> >> > me, whether I am new to aliexpress and offers me a coupon. >> >> > >> >> > I have no othe chance than clicking on this [beep] pop up >> >> > to be able to see the page contents. >> >> > >> >> > I searched the web for according informations how to block >> >> > this [beep] popup, but I only get informations how to >> >> > remove a certain kind of adware virus from Mac and Windows. >> >> > >> >> > Since this virus pops up an advertisement of constantly changing >> >> > goods and is page filling I am sure I am not suffering from this. >> >> > >> >> > If anyone out there has solved this problem without disabling >> >> > the possibility to /buy/ something on aliexpress PLEASE HELP >> >> > ME. I AM NEAR INSANITY! ;) :) >> >> > >> >> > Thanks a lot in advance for any life saver! >> >> > Cheers >> >> > Meino >> >> > >> >> >> >> You might be able to block the element on the page using uBlock >> >> Origin, but unfortunately that type of ad is very hard to remove. If >> >> you have to interact with it is harder to select using uBlock's >> >> interface. >> >> >> >> You can also use Greasemonkey to block more invasive ads, but I never >> >> had much luck with that. It's designed to do more than filter >> >> background content. >> >> >> >> I feel like I need to ask whether or not you've done something like >> >> disable cookies. I'd not suggest doing that, at most delete all of >> >> them when you close your browser session. It's impossible to use most >> >> pages without having cookies enabled (this makes automating things >> >> with web libraries infuriating). >> >> >> >> R0b0t1. >> >> >> > >> > Hi R0b0t1, >> > >> > For "normal browsing" I created a profile for firefox which is privacy >> > enhanced -- blocking all sorts of things. This profile works half >> > with the sites I normally visit. >> > Aliexpress get screwed up when visited using this profile. >> > >> > So I created a second profile, which I use for Aliexpress only. This >> > one has only some privacy related things enabled. Aliexpress works -- >> > including poping up this [beep] "Are you new to Aliexpress?" popup. >> > Cookies are enabled with this profile. >> > >> >> Does it do this on every page load or just the first time you interact with >> it? >> > > I did the following: > *** Surf to www.aliexpress.com (no popup and no way to search despite > the fact that a search bar is shown.) > *** Click on any product -- product will be displayed and popup pops > up (hence the name), click the popup to remove it. Search bar now works. > *** Click "reload tab"...the whole [beep] starts from the beginning. > I've managed to block something similar using uBlock Origin, but it was really hard to select it with the GUI picker that creates blocking rules for you. The technical term for what the website is using is called a popover and I remember people talking about blocking them with uBlock Origin because they are hard to block, but I can't find anything relevant to this discussion in Google. >> > As soon as I login into Aliexpress the popup disappears -- now >> > Aliexpress is satisfied, because tracking my searches is now >> > personalized. >> > >> >> If you can't find a way to target the overlay with uBlock Origin you >> might try looking at https://greasyfork.org/en and using Greasemonkey. >> Unfortunately all the premade scripts I could find were simple things >> like pricing changes. > > Why Greasemonkey is especially use ful in this case? > (this is curiosity -- and NO expression of doubt, R0b0t1! :) > Greasemonkey injects JavaScript onto your webpages based on filter criteria, so you can effectively do any
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Mozilla Google behind the scenes payola
of it). If not by the space that you displace, by the space that you don't. Half the time, one's effort to keep a secret reveal that there is a secret to be kept, which just impells some proportion of the observant to want to know what that secret is. You or I are not wraiths. If the aforementioned butcher (who has owned his store for years) sees me walking down the street every two days, but I never come in the store, that butcher 'knows' that I have some regular business on the street, but (for whatever reason) no interest in meat (or his meat, at least). The fact that I'm a vegetarian (for this example) is personal, but it can never be private (although the reason I chose to become a vegetarian may be), because it is extremely difficult to completely conceal, from everyone I may encounter in even the most limited way (travel reservationist, airplane stewardess, neighbors, people I invite for dinner or who invite me for dinner or dates that take me out for dinner), that I avoid dead animal meat in any and all forms. We live in the world with others, and in such a case, what you *do* is very rarely private (because what you do is usually perceptible to someone, somewhere). Our notion of 'privacy' is an agreement that we've made with each other, because there are too many of us, and we are almost never alone, and the human animal does have a need for privacy/solitude (there have been experiments as to what happens when you overpopulate an environment, and generally it makes the animals a bit nuts). For example, the agreement that one doesn't look at the other people when on an elevator. It's stupid, but necessary, especially in urban environments. One is never alone, and solitude is the only way to ensure 'privacy', because if you take as read that others have the right to live (which may include perceiving your activity, whether or not they are actively trying to), their right to perceive their environment cannot help but conflict with your right to not be perceived within that environment. Assuming you have such a right (as opposed to a desire), which may or may not be the case. How are these business practices fundamentally any different? Are they different somehow because these companies can conduct their surveillance invisibly? Does that somehow make it excusable? If I see you walking down the street, but you don't see me looking at you, I have conducted my surveilance invisibly. I mean, please. You say that people (individuals or businesses) don't or shouldn't have the right to perceive your existence if you don't specifically authorize them to. I may not like it, and I may want to keep the level of what they can perceive to a limit that I specify, but I do not think that the right to perceive one's environment is in and of itself a crime, if (or just because) that environment includes me. Don't the administrators of a website have rights to know about their 'private' area (with a public easement) as well? These issues are indeed worthy of watching (business practices usually are), but honestly, don't we have higher-priority privacy and security issues on our plates? Do you plan to worry about spying by corporations later on, after they have essentially created an easement through your personal business? The easement already exists, of necessity. Otherwise, the world (or at least the world of commerce) would come to a fairly sudden stop. Since we are under the impression that we want to preserve the world of commerce, we have to live with these inconsitencies. What part of trying to preserve your fundamental right to privacy is not vitally important right now? My fundamental right to privacy? About the only true privacy I have is that of my own thoughts, and so the vitally important action to preserve that would be preventing anyone from putting a chip in my head (or body), without my knowledge that would read said thoughts. I don't care if you know what I do. Because 'everybody' knows what I do anyway in large part (if only by seeing what I *don't* do). If I desire for some reason to not have anyone know what I do, I have to actively conceal what I do. But once I am put in that position, I'm out of the realm of my 'rights', and into the realm of setting my desires above the 'rights' of others. I desire to take your television, so I must conceal what I do because you have the 'right' to retain your television (supposedly.Personal property, and how it is designated are also agreements that we have made with each other, fairly recenty). I am well-known, but I desire not to be perceived (and therefore recognized and most likely interrupted in my business), so I must conceal my physical appearance so as not to be recognized, irrespective of your 'right' to perceive and know who is in your environment. I desire that the boss doesn't discover that I surf porn (or do other non-work related activity) on the company PC, so I must conceal the evidence of that, although the boss has the right
Re: [gentoo-user] which keymap and keyboard setup
) and it has a layout I can expect (which is kinda amazing), so I'm typing on it now. What I want is a keyboard configuration that corresponds to the labels on the keys (which is an US layout) as a starting point, and a way to switch between the US layout and a layout adapted to German. Most of what I type is in English, and the US layout is much better suited for programming, so for the few cases I do need the extra keys required for German, I want to be able to switch layouts by pressing a key. That goes for both console and X11 --- my experience is that you first have to get the keyboard set up correctly for the console before you have a chance to get it to fully work with X11. I don't know of any way of switching the console keyboard as easily as you probably want. To switch layouts you need loadkeys (a utility program very close to the kernel). As I said, my workaround here is to put the German letters on AltGr combinations. It surprised me just how seldomly ä,ö,ü,ß are actually used in German text. They are used quite frequently ... I finally got rid of AltGr; it's a pretty weird thing to have. However, I have all the keys these letters would be on with a German keyboard layout, so if I would switch, they can all be where they are supposed to be. You could put the string loadkeys /home/lee/kbd-d.map.gzCR (and a similar one for kbd-e.map.gz) on some difficult-to-type-accidentally key combination, with which you'd be able to change layouts from a bash command line. Just beware that the the same key layout is used by all the virtual terminals - there's no way of setting a key layout for just one VT. Hm, I rarely use the console here, so it's not that important. Isn't there a way to define hotkeys on the console? I would recommend you to start by copying a standard keyboard layout from /usr/share/keymaps/... (or dumping your current one with dumpkeys), then enhancing it. Read the man pages for loadkeys, dumpkeys, keymaps, etc. They are in package sys-apps/kbd. To find out what the keycodes are for obscure keys, use showkey. Yes, if I can get the keys that now send combinations to work correctly, I could start by putting together a keymap in a single file from what's already there and adjust that to what I need. If I can't get those keys to work correctly, is there a way to somehow make it so that the keys that send multiple keycodes are considered as the extra/additional keys they actually are? If you'd like a copy of my keyboard layout to help you on your way, just drop me a personal email. Thanks :) The keyboard shows up as: Unicomp Inc. Surf Ruffian USB 122 Keyboard v 2.50. Xev shows that the function keys F13--F24 yield the same scan codes as F1--F12. I still have a 105 key PS/2 keyboard plugged in, and nothing is prepared for the 122 key keyboard, so that might limit what scan codes are being seen. BTW, this keyboard is awesome. It's just as if you had a Model M, but still new, and there isn't anything better available new. I've been using those for about 20 years now and wanted a new one since quite a while, now finally managed to get a Unicomp ... Get one if you can; live is too short for bad keyboards. :-) I have a Filco mechanical keyboard, which works well. Does your new keyboard need more desk space than a standard one? That would be a negative feature for me. Yes, it's pretty large. It's a bit longer than a Model M and has about the same depth. My desk is large enough; you might be able to fit one if you get a monitor arm :) -- Again we must be afraid of speaking of daemons for fear that daemons might swallow us. Finally, this fear has become reasonable.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Slightly OT: favorite window manager/desktop environ?
for setting that up so that the user (who is also me, of course) can just click an icon and run Morrowind. Hell, someone has to make sure that the ATI drivers are installed in the first place-- and supposedly the user is never supposed to know about any of this, and there should never be an admin, so who's supposed to do it then? The Tooth Fairy? As I understand it, in the case of Cedega, the someones responsible for setting things up for a particular game are the techs at Transgaming. In Wine, that someone is you, though hopefully someone else has posted how they did it so you won't have to reinvent the wheel. But Windows gamers often have to deal with administrative tasks too (and other Windows endusers do as well). It happens quite often that a Windows game has to be patched in order to work on a particular computer. The enduser may have to seek help from the developers and follow their instructions. Does this make the enduser the administrator? Or is the administrator the one that solved the problem, made the patch, and wrote the instructions? I'm not saying there should never be an admin ever. But for certain sorts of users, there need to be products that don't require that an admin be present in order to keep things working properly (enough). If a box is configured well and it can be made to be static, does it really need an administrator? What if that box is a refrigerator, a video game console, or even a non-networked PC? I think that a Linux appliance like one of these can and should be able to be used without the further help of an admin. The fact that you may be able to Plug and Play does not remove the necessity that administration must occur: under Windows, a Wizard does it, in an enterprise situation, IT does it, under SuSE, maybe YaST does it, under Gentoo, you do it (or Mark does it for you :) ). But the fact that at some point somebody has to be responsible for administration is inescapable, and I feel that saying that's wrong somehow is... wrong. [S]omeone had to go to a lot of trouble to get it set up just right in the first place, but once that was done it can perform reliably without further administrative intervention, is what I said about Knoppix. There was an admin, but there isn't one now. I don't know what I said that led you to believe I thought something different. The more that is asked of a system, the more administering must be done to it. A video game console with a Linux OS only has to do one thing. As a result, it will require essentially no administrative intervention. An enterprise web server has to do more things than I can count. As a result, it has to be closely watched and fiddled with to keep things running smoothly. Somewhere in between is the Linspire desktop. If all it has to do is write documents, send emails, and surf the web, then little more than security updates would need to be performed (by cron, even) to keep it going. But if you actually want to use your computer AS a computer instead of an appliance, then a different distro would be a better choice and somebody is going to need to administer things. Because it's a limit of technology, and pretending that such limits don't exist (or worse yet, attempting to conceal such limits) seems very very unwise to me. I agree that the limitations of a technology should be made aware to its users and it should be done in such a way that they will comprehend those limitations. But does that mean that trying to make simple systems that don't require constant babysitting by flesh and blood administrators is automatically a bad idea simply because it shields the enduser from the underlying mechanics? I was not aware that any company was trying to encourage careless hardware shopping. If knew it to be so, I'd be as unhappy about it as you appear to be. One word Winmodem (easiest possible example). All winmodems are (naturally) marked that they work under Windows. How many of them are marked that they *only* work under Windows, All of them. The list of hardware and software requirements on each package *only* indicates that it works under Windows. Granted, they don't say won't work with Linux, but they don't say won't work with a Cray, either. If you buy a piece of hardware and the manufacturer didn't say it would work with your OS, and you can't get it to work with your OS... then you're on your own. because a Winmodem is an incomplete piece of hardware, where the functioning of certain physical chips (which are physically no longer present) are replaced by software functions available only in the Windows Operating System (because the Windows Operating System was specifically designed with closed-source APIs to replace the functions of specific chips formerly on the modem PCB)? How many 'real' hardware modems (which have all the chips, and do not replace any hardware functionality with OS-based functions
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Slightly OT: favorite window manager/desktop environ?
is inescapable, and I feel that saying that's wrong somehow is... wrong. [S]omeone had to go to a lot of trouble to get it set up just right in the first place, but once that was done it can perform reliably without further administrative intervention, is what I said about Knoppix. There was an admin, but there isn't one now. I don't know what I said that led you to believe I thought something different. The more that is asked of a system, the more administering must be done to it. A video game console with a Linux OS only has to do one thing. As a result, it will require essentially no administrative intervention. An enterprise web server has to do more things than I can count. As a result, it has to be closely watched and fiddled with to keep things running smoothly. Somewhere in between is the Linspire desktop. If all it has to do is write documents, send emails, and surf the web, then little more than security updates would need to be performed (by cron, even) to keep it going. But if you actually want to use your computer AS a computer instead of an appliance, then a different distro would be a better choice and somebody is going to need to administer things. Because it's a limit of technology, and pretending that such limits don't exist (or worse yet, attempting to conceal such limits) seems very very unwise to me. I agree that the limitations of a technology should be made aware to its users and it should be done in such a way that they will comprehend those limitations. But does that mean that trying to make simple systems that don't require constant babysitting by flesh and blood administrators is automatically a bad idea simply because it shields the enduser from the underlying mechanics? I was not aware that any company was trying to encourage careless hardware shopping. If knew it to be so, I'd be as unhappy about it as you appear to be. One word Winmodem (easiest possible example). All winmodems are (naturally) marked that they work under Windows. How many of them are marked that they *only* work under Windows, All of them. The list of hardware and software requirements on each package *only* indicates that it works under Windows. Granted, they don't say won't work with Linux, but they don't say won't work with a Cray, either. If you buy a piece of hardware and the manufacturer didn't say it would work with your OS, and you can't get it to work with your OS... then you're on your own. because a Winmodem is an incomplete piece of hardware, where the functioning of certain physical chips (which are physically no longer present) are replaced by software functions available only in the Windows Operating System (because the Windows Operating System was specifically designed with closed-source APIs to replace the functions of specific chips formerly on the modem PCB)? How many 'real' hardware modems (which have all the chips, and do not replace any hardware functionality with OS-based functions) are distinguished on their packaging from WinModems, or vice versa? None that I've seen, but that doesn't mean there aren't any. I'm not sure, but I think a proper external modem can be made to work with both PC's and Macs. If so, it might even say so on the box. I believe I was able to tell that my last (last as in final) modem was a proper one because the box said it worked in DOS too. And do you think that the 1) creation of, and 2) lack of disclosure on the packaging of, such crippled hardware was somehow not 'encouraged' by the company whose product's market share benefits the most from the existance of such hardware (because the hardware seems to JustWork with their software)? The benefit to the hardware companies, of course, is that their product becomes cheaper to produce, since it requires less chips... and there's little chance that the old PCB with all the chips will need to make a reappearance, because the software being used to replace the hardware functioning is eternal (not least because of the manufacturer's new hardware design). Do you really believe that some little Taiwanese company failing to state this product will not work without Windows, on a modem package is evidence that Microsoft is up to no good? I'm not saying Microsoft isn't. Of course they are. But I don't think they told hardware manufacturers how to word the compatibility information on each box in an effort to mislead those people who might want to switch from Windows to Linux some day (and do it at 53Kbps to boot). Even if Winmodems DID come with a warning about being unusable without Windows, do you really think that would have affected sales appreciably? And why aren't there Win-NICs, or Win-mice, or Win-hard drives? Granted, they may come with the arrival of the Microsoft brand of Digital Rights Management. That may even
Re: [gentoo-user] CONFIG_SCSI_WAIT_SCAN=m I don't want modules here.
Stroller wrote: On 22 Mar 2008, at 01:08, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:23:11 +, Stroller wrote: I suspect that this is caused because CONFIG_SCSI_WAIT_SCAN depends upon some other kernel option, and because you have that compiled in as a module. Thus the dependencies of the parent are forced to be modular. I thought Dale said that he hadn't anything set to compile as a module. He doesn't seem to specifically state that. He does (subsequently?) say that he doesn't _want_ anything as a module (beware teh dark side!), but that's not the same thing. As I read Dale's original post, all he says is I set CONFIG_SCSI_WAIT_SCAN as `not set` (and in his post of 21 March 2008 16:13:49 GMT he says if I say `compile it in') and it keeps turning back into a module. Of course this would prolly be much easier if Dale just posted a copy of his .config. I have a feeling something obvious is being overlooked, and it wouldn't do any hard to post the output of `cd /usr/src/linux ls -ld /usr/src/linux md5sum .config make make modules_install` so we can see stuff for ourselves. You'll notice that I look to check things like the /usr/src/linux symlink here and that the .config used is actually the same one as I suggest he posts. Stroller. True, you may have to read between the lines but I do not have any modules with the exception of nvidia. I have to have my picture on the screen so I can surf the www. LOL I attached a copy of my config for you to look at. I have not changed the symlink yet because I have not actually booted the new kernel yet. This is what I get after trying to make a kernel: [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/src/linux-2.6.24-gentoo-r3 # make all make modules_install CHK include/linux/version.h CHK include/linux/utsrelease.h CALLscripts/checksyscalls.sh CHK include/linux/compile.h Kernel: arch/x86/boot/bzImage is ready (#3) The present kernel configuration has modules disabled. Type 'make config' and enable loadable module support. Then build a kernel with module support enabled. make: *** [modules_install] Error 1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/src/linux-2.6.24-gentoo-r3 # I suspect that I can leave off the make modules_install since there *should* not be any. It also says it makes the kernel itself. I'm just curious if my nvidia drivers will load without the loadable modules option there?? My wish list, the ability to compile in loadable module support into the kernel and whatever else it has to have with it. Back to nothing being a module except nvidia. If I can't have it that way, I guess I'll have a extra module. Of course, then something else will likely creep in the list too. ;-) I hope the extra info helps. Thanks. Dale :-) :-) # # Automatically generated make config: don't edit # Linux kernel version: 2.6.24-gentoo-r3 # Fri Mar 21 10:36:11 2008 # # CONFIG_64BIT is not set CONFIG_X86_32=y # CONFIG_X86_64 is not set CONFIG_X86=y CONFIG_GENERIC_TIME=y CONFIG_GENERIC_CMOS_UPDATE=y CONFIG_CLOCKSOURCE_WATCHDOG=y CONFIG_GENERIC_CLOCKEVENTS=y CONFIG_GENERIC_CLOCKEVENTS_BROADCAST=y CONFIG_LOCKDEP_SUPPORT=y CONFIG_STACKTRACE_SUPPORT=y CONFIG_SEMAPHORE_SLEEPERS=y CONFIG_MMU=y CONFIG_ZONE_DMA=y CONFIG_QUICKLIST=y CONFIG_GENERIC_ISA_DMA=y CONFIG_GENERIC_IOMAP=y CONFIG_GENERIC_BUG=y CONFIG_GENERIC_HWEIGHT=y CONFIG_ARCH_MAY_HAVE_PC_FDC=y CONFIG_DMI=y # CONFIG_RWSEM_GENERIC_SPINLOCK is not set CONFIG_RWSEM_XCHGADD_ALGORITHM=y # CONFIG_ARCH_HAS_ILOG2_U32 is not set # CONFIG_ARCH_HAS_ILOG2_U64 is not set CONFIG_GENERIC_CALIBRATE_DELAY=y # CONFIG_GENERIC_TIME_VSYSCALL is not set CONFIG_ARCH_SUPPORTS_OPROFILE=y # CONFIG_ZONE_DMA32 is not set CONFIG_ARCH_POPULATES_NODE_MAP=y # CONFIG_AUDIT_ARCH is not set CONFIG_GENERIC_HARDIRQS=y CONFIG_GENERIC_IRQ_PROBE=y CONFIG_X86_BIOS_REBOOT=y CONFIG_KTIME_SCALAR=y CONFIG_DEFCONFIG_LIST=/lib/modules/$UNAME_RELEASE/.config # # General setup # CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL=y CONFIG_BROKEN_ON_SMP=y CONFIG_LOCK_KERNEL=y CONFIG_INIT_ENV_ARG_LIMIT=32 CONFIG_LOCALVERSION= # CONFIG_LOCALVERSION_AUTO is not set CONFIG_SWAP=y CONFIG_SYSVIPC=y CONFIG_SYSVIPC_SYSCTL=y CONFIG_POSIX_MQUEUE=y # CONFIG_BSD_PROCESS_ACCT is not set # CONFIG_TASKSTATS is not set # CONFIG_USER_NS is not set # CONFIG_PID_NS is not set # CONFIG_AUDIT is not set CONFIG_IKCONFIG=y CONFIG_IKCONFIG_PROC=y CONFIG_LOG_BUF_SHIFT=14 # CONFIG_CGROUPS is not set CONFIG_FAIR_GROUP_SCHED=y CONFIG_FAIR_USER_SCHED=y # CONFIG_FAIR_CGROUP_SCHED is not set # CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED is not set # CONFIG_RELAY is not set CONFIG_BLK_DEV_INITRD=y CONFIG_INITRAMFS_SOURCE= CONFIG_CC_OPTIMIZE_FOR_SIZE=y CONFIG_SYSCTL=y # CONFIG_EMBEDDED is not set CONFIG_UID16=y CONFIG_SYSCTL_SYSCALL=y CONFIG_KALLSYMS=y # CONFIG_KALLSYMS_EXTRA_PASS is not set CONFIG_HOTPLUG=y CONFIG_PRINTK=y CONFIG_BUG=y CONFIG_ELF_CORE=y CONFIG_BASE_FULL=y CONFIG_FUTEX=y CONFIG_ANON_INODES=y CONFIG_EPOLL=y CONFIG_SIGNALFD=y CONFIG_EVENTFD=y CONFIG_SHMEM=y CONFIG_VM_EVENT_COUNTERS=y
