Re: [geo] CBD Secretariat Invites Parties¹ Submissions on Geo-Engineering-Related Measures - Climate Change Policy Practice

2013-11-26 Thread John Nissen
Hi Greg,

You are right that CBD should consider the consequences of
*not*geoengineering.  CDR techniques to reduce the CO2 level in the
atmosphere
are now mandatory, because there is already an intolerable amount of CO2 in
the atmosphere - both for ocean acidification and global warming reasons.
Ocean acidification may be an even greater threat to biodiversity than
global warming, and so we need to get the atmospheric CO2 level below about
350 ppm within two or three decades.

And what about the implications of not considering geoengineering to cool
the Arctic?  We have abrupt climate change happening in front of our eyes
in the Arctic.  The Arctic meltdown in prospect will lead to the loss of an
entire ecosystem.  It is clear that, in the face of rapid sea ice retreat,
the only way to protect the Arctic and preserve its biodiversity is to cool
it quickly enough to save the sea ice.  This will necessarily involve the
deployment of geoengineering techniques, albeit targetted to produce a
regional cooling effect.

This should be a clear message to the CBD.  CBD should be taking a lead in
promoting geoengineering to save biodiversity, if that is the true mission
of the organisation.

But I'm afraid that CBD do not work on the basis of scientific evidence -
but on gut feelings that geoengineering is a bad thing.  Let's face it,
mankind has been effectively geoengineering for many years by putting so
much CO2 in the atmosphere as to alter the Earth System.  Now we have
employ restorative geoengineering of one kind to remove CO2 and of another
kind to cool the Arctic.

Cheers,  John



On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Rau, Greg r...@llnl.gov wrote:

 Agree.  What are the consequences/risks to biodiversity of not
 evaluating/considering GE in the face of rising CO2?
 Greg

 On 11/20/13 9:01 AM, Stephen Salter s.sal...@ed.ac.uk wrote:

 Hi All
 
 Should they also ask for a list of inactivities such as NOT doing a form
 geoengineering which could have helped biodiversity.   I am thinking
 things such as not reducing sea surface temperatures to the east of the
 Philippines.
 
 Stephen
 
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 University of Edinburgh Mayfield Road Edinburgh EH9 3JL Scotland
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 On 20/11/2013 16:44, Andrew Lockley wrote:
 
 
 
 http://climate-l.iisd.org/news/cbd-secretariat-invites-parties-submission
 s-on-geo-engineering-related-measures/
 
  CBD Secretariat Invites Parties¹ Submissions on
  Geo-Engineering-Related Measures
 
  12 November 2013: The Secretariat of the Convention on Biological
  Diversity (CBD) has invited parties to submit information on any
  measures they have undertaken to ensure that no climate-related
  geo-engineering activities that may affect biodiversity take place,
  and to address the exception for small-scale scientific research
  studies contained in CBD Decision X/33, subparagraph 8(w) on
  geo-engineering.
 
  Information on measures to ensure that no climate-related
  geo-engineering activities that may affect biodiversity take place
  until there is an adequate scientific basis to justify such activities
  and appropriate consideration of the associated risks for the
  environment and biodiversity and associated social, economic and
  cultural impacts, as well as on measures that address the exception
  for small-scale scientific research studies, is to be submitted by 15
  February 2014.
 
  The notification provides additional information related to agreed
  language on geo-engineering in the contribution of Working Group I to
  the Fifth Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
  Change, as well as an amendment to the London Protocol of the London
  Convention on the Prevention of Marine Pollution by Dumping of Wastes
  and Other Matter, agreed on 18 October 2013.
 
  The amendment is structured to allow other marine geo-engineering
  activities to be considered and listed in a new annex in the future,
  if they fall within the scope of the London Protocol and have the
  potential to harm the marine environment. It will enter into force 60
  days after two-thirds of the Parties to the London Protocol accept it.
 
 
 
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[geo] CBD Secretariat Invites Parties’ Submissions on Geo-Engineering-Related Measures - Climate Change Policy Practice

2013-11-20 Thread Andrew Lockley
http://climate-l.iisd.org/news/cbd-secretariat-invites-parties-submissions-on-geo-engineering-related-measures/

CBD Secretariat Invites Parties’ Submissions on Geo-Engineering-Related
Measures

12 November 2013: The Secretariat of the Convention on Biological Diversity
(CBD) has invited parties to submit information on any measures they have
undertaken to ensure that no climate-related geo-engineering activities
that may affect biodiversity take place, and to address the exception for
small-scale scientific research studies contained in CBD Decision X/33,
subparagraph 8(w) on geo-engineering.

Information on measures to ensure that no climate-related geo-engineering
activities that may affect biodiversity take place until there is an
adequate scientific basis to justify such activities and appropriate
consideration of the associated risks for the environment and biodiversity
and associated social, economic and cultural impacts, as well as on
measures that address the exception for small-scale scientific research
studies, is to be submitted by 15 February 2014.

The notification provides additional information related to agreed language
on geo-engineering in the contribution of Working Group I to the Fifth
Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, as well
as an amendment to the London Protocol of the London Convention on the
Prevention of Marine Pollution by Dumping of Wastes and Other Matter,
agreed on 18 October 2013.

The amendment is structured to allow other marine geo-engineering
activities to be considered and listed in a new annex in the future, if
they fall within the scope of the London Protocol and have the potential to
harm the marine environment. It will enter into force 60 days after
two-thirds of the Parties to the London Protocol accept it.

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Re: [geo] CBD Secretariat Invites Parties¹ Submissions on Geo-Engineering-Related Measures - Climate Change Policy Practice

2013-11-20 Thread Rau, Greg
Agree.  What are the consequences/risks to biodiversity of not
evaluating/considering GE in the face of rising CO2?
Greg

On 11/20/13 9:01 AM, Stephen Salter s.sal...@ed.ac.uk wrote:

Hi All

Should they also ask for a list of inactivities such as NOT doing a form
geoengineering which could have helped biodiversity.   I am thinking
things such as not reducing sea surface temperatures to the east of the
Philippines.

Stephen

-
Emeritus Professor of Engineering Design School of Engineering
University of Edinburgh Mayfield Road Edinburgh EH9 3JL Scotland
s.sal...@ed.ac.uk Tel +44 (0)131 650 5704 Cell 07795 203 195
WWW.see.ed.ac.uk/~shs

On 20/11/2013 16:44, Andrew Lockley wrote:

 
http://climate-l.iisd.org/news/cbd-secretariat-invites-parties-submission
s-on-geo-engineering-related-measures/

 CBD Secretariat Invites Parties¹ Submissions on
 Geo-Engineering-Related Measures

 12 November 2013: The Secretariat of the Convention on Biological
 Diversity (CBD) has invited parties to submit information on any
 measures they have undertaken to ensure that no climate-related
 geo-engineering activities that may affect biodiversity take place,
 and to address the exception for small-scale scientific research
 studies contained in CBD Decision X/33, subparagraph 8(w) on
 geo-engineering.

 Information on measures to ensure that no climate-related
 geo-engineering activities that may affect biodiversity take place
 until there is an adequate scientific basis to justify such activities
 and appropriate consideration of the associated risks for the
 environment and biodiversity and associated social, economic and
 cultural impacts, as well as on measures that address the exception
 for small-scale scientific research studies, is to be submitted by 15
 February 2014.

 The notification provides additional information related to agreed
 language on geo-engineering in the contribution of Working Group I to
 the Fifth Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
 Change, as well as an amendment to the London Protocol of the London
 Convention on the Prevention of Marine Pollution by Dumping of Wastes
 and Other Matter, agreed on 18 October 2013.

 The amendment is structured to allow other marine geo-engineering
 activities to be considered and listed in a new annex in the future,
 if they fall within the scope of the London Protocol and have the
 potential to harm the marine environment. It will enter into force 60
 days after two-thirds of the Parties to the London Protocol accept it.

 
http://climate-l.iisd.org/news/cbd-secretariat-invites-parties-submission
s-on-geo-engineering-related-measures/

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