Re: [geo] Rock stars rising?
Greg, Ron et.al., Dr. Schuiling has long advocated the use of olivine in agriculture for this very reason. The LSM derived formulated organic fertilizer I'm working on will have both biochar and olivine ingredients. Finding the right ratio is my current focus on that issue. The CO2 uptake within the agriculture setting via. organic fertilizer is a large factor in working out the overall carbon footprint of the LSM concept. Ron, I believe the biochar does have the potential to greatly improve mycorrhizal growth and thus weathering of any mineral. The close association of fine olivine dust, biochar and raw nutrients from algal waste and solid fish waste should be highly competitive with chemical fertilizer at the biological level. Getting the price down to a competitive level may be possible if the production can be coordinated to prevent un-necessary transport. Best, Michael On Thursday, January 23, 2014 11:07:37 AM UTC-8, Ron wrote: Greg and list: There are many messages (and a few papers) of the advantages of combining rock dust and biochar. Inoculants are already commonplace. Sharing distribution costs would be a plus. The biochar community would welcome joint efforts at combining the two forms of CDR - especially if the specific olivines or other minerals can supply needed micro nutrients. Re this from below: In theory, one kilogram of olivine sequesters about one kilogram of CO2”.The corresponding number for biochar is three kgs CO2. So one kg of a fifty-fifty product could sequester 2 kgs of CO2. I am not sure of this, but think most soil is built up from microbes “digesting” rocks, so a productive (made more productive by biochar) soil repository could speed up the “weathering”. Also all chars are looking looking for a way to utilize the pyrolysis gases productively. Grinding up rocks when you are not sending the electrons to back up wind and solar can further speed up a transition to a carbon neutral energy economy. Ron On Jan 23, 2014, at 11:17 AM, Rau, Greg ra...@llnl.gov javascript: wrote: http://www.nature.com/news/rock-s-power-to-mop-up-carbon-revisited-1.14560 Rock’s power to mop up carbon revisited Experts push for more research into olivine weathering. Daniel Cressey 21 January 2014 Estimates suggest that olivine could be used to sequester a significant proportion of carbon emissions. Last week, a group of geoengineers met in Hamburg to discuss what on the face of it sounds like a very attractive idea: to soak up anthropogenic carbon emissions using only rocks and water. In particular, they want to help to mitigate climate change by crushing rocks and dropping them into the sea or spreading them on land. The meeting was hailed a success, but the idea is still far from fruition. The ‘weathering’, or breaking down, of rocks is a hugely important but very slow part of the carbon cycle. Natural weathering locks up atmospheric carbon dioxide by means of chemical reactions between common silicate minerals and air. For example, when magnesium-rich olivine, a rock of particular interest to geoengineers, is brought together with CO2 and water under natural conditions, the resulting reaction forms magnesium carbonate and silicic acid, thereby removing and storing carbon. But some scientists think that this natural process could be exploited to offset at least some of the carbon emitted by human activities. Rather than waiting for rocks to be slowly weathered away, olivine could be mined on an industrial scale, ground up, and spread over land or in the sea, speeding up these chemical reactions and sucking vast quantities of CO2 out of the atmosphere. But this presents practical problems: according to one estimate, you would need to spread 5 gigatonnes of olivine on beaches annually to offset 30% of global CO2 emissions (assuming 1990 levels of emissions; S. J. T. Hangx C. J. Spiers Int. J. Greenhouse Gas Contr. 3, 757–767; 2009). At the informal meeting, about 20 enhanced-weathering experts discussed recent research in the area and tried to summarize and coordinate future work, for example by agreeing to standardize experiments. Until now, there has been no organized research agenda for the fledgling field, says meeting convener Jens Hartmann, who works on geological cycles and carbon sequestration at the University of Hamburg in Germany. “It was very positive; we know we are now a community,” he says. Hartmann points out that humans have been exploiting rock weathering for decades — for example, by spreading minerals such as olivine, pyroxenes and serpentines as fertilizers. “The question is, can we optimize it and can we do it in areas we are not doing it?” he says. As with its use as a fertilizer, olivine would have to be finely crushed to maximize its exposure to carbon. Olaf Schuiling, a geochemist at Utrecht
[geo] Rock stars rising?
http://www.nature.com/news/rock-s-power-to-mop-up-carbon-revisited-1.14560 Rock’s power to mop up carbon revisited Experts push for more research into olivine weathering. Daniel Cressey 21 January 2014 Estimates suggest that olivine could be used to sequester a significant proportion of carbon emissions. Last week, a group of geoengineers met in Hamburg to discuss what on the face of it sounds like a very attractive idea: to soak up anthropogenic carbon emissions using only rocks and water. In particular, they want to help to mitigate climate change by crushing rocks and dropping them into the sea or spreading them on land. The meeting was hailed a success, but the idea is still far from fruition. The ‘weathering’, or breaking down, of rocks is a hugely important but very slow part of the carbon cycle. Natural weathering locks up atmospheric carbon dioxide by means of chemical reactions between common silicate minerals and air. For example, when magnesium-rich olivine, a rock of particular interest to geoengineers, is brought together with CO2 and water under natural conditions, the resulting reaction forms magnesium carbonate and silicic acid, thereby removing and storing carbon. But some scientists think that this natural process could be exploited to offset at least some of the carbon emitted by human activities. Rather than waiting for rocks to be slowly weathered away, olivine could be mined on an industrial scale, ground up, and spread over land or in the sea, speeding up these chemical reactions and sucking vast quantities of CO2 out of the atmosphere. But this presents practical problems: according to one estimate, you would need to spread 5 gigatonnes of olivine on beaches annually to offset 30% of global CO2 emissions (assuming 1990 levels of emissions; S. J. T. Hangx C. J. Spiers Int. J. Greenhouse Gas Contr. 3, 757–767; 2009). At the informal meeting, about 20 enhanced-weathering experts discussed recent research in the area and tried to summarize and coordinate future work, for example by agreeing to standardize experiments. Until now, there has been no organized research agenda for the fledgling field, says meeting convener Jens Hartmann, who works on geological cycles and carbon sequestration at the University of Hamburg in Germany. “It was very positive; we know we are now a community,” he says. Hartmann points out that humans have been exploiting rock weathering for decades — for example, by spreading minerals such as olivine, pyroxenes and serpentines as fertilizers. “The question is, can we optimize it and can we do it in areas we are not doing it?” he says. As with its use as a fertilizer, olivine would have to be finely crushed to maximize its exposure to carbon. Olaf Schuiling, a geochemist at Utrecht University in the Netherlands and a passionate advocate of enhanced weathering, proposes spreading coarse olivine grains on beaches that experience heavy seas. “There the grains are tumbling around in the surf and the waves, they collide, they abrade each other, and produce very rapidly a lot of tiny olivine slivers that weather quickly,” he says. However, there is little evidence for the practical rates of weathering that could be expected if large amounts of olivine or other rocks were mined and spread on fields or dumped into the sea. This, in turn, means it is not clear how much would be needed to significantly mitigate carbon emissions, how long it would take to work or whether it would be cost and energy efficient. In theory, one kilogram of olivine sequesters about one kilogram of CO2, but the rate at which this happens can be slow. And the actual efficiency of sequestration will be much lower than 100%, because of the energy used — and emissions released — in grinding and transporting the rock. In some cases, this could emit more carbon than would be sequestered. “We have good and very promising results, but there are still a lot of unknowns.” Francesc Montserrat, a marine benthic ecologist at the Royal Netherlands Institute for Sea Research in Yerseke, is trying to pin down the figures. He is using small tanks to measure the weathering of olivine in various conditions — including the impact of worms that live in and eat the sandy sediment. Montserrat’s experiments will test the idea that when these worms eat tiny grains of olivine they also help to break down the crust that can form on olivine’s surface, which slows down the weathering effect. “You need to have some hard numbers to go to the authorities to say whether it will be safe enough to try it out,” he says. “We have good and very promising results, but there are still a lot of unknowns.” Even advocates of this method of geoengineering admit that large-scale enhanced weathering is not without risk. Olivine can contain toxic heavy metals such as nickel that could accumulate in the environment. Grinding rocks would produce dust, which might harm human
Re: [geo] Rock stars rising?
Greg and list: There are many messages (and a few papers) of the advantages of combining rock dust and biochar. Inoculants are already commonplace. Sharing distribution costs would be a plus. The biochar community would welcome joint efforts at combining the two forms of CDR - especially if the specific olivines or other minerals can supply needed micro nutrients. Re this from below: In theory, one kilogram of olivine sequesters about one kilogram of CO2”.The corresponding number for biochar is three kgs CO2. So one kg of a fifty-fifty product could sequester 2 kgs of CO2. I am not sure of this, but think most soil is built up from microbes “digesting” rocks, so a productive (made more productive by biochar) soil repository could speed up the “weathering”. Also all chars are looking looking for a way to utilize the pyrolysis gases productively. Grinding up rocks when you are not sending the electrons to back up wind and solar can further speed up a transition to a carbon neutral energy economy. Ron On Jan 23, 2014, at 11:17 AM, Rau, Greg r...@llnl.gov wrote: http://www.nature.com/news/rock-s-power-to-mop-up-carbon-revisited-1.14560 Rock’s power to mop up carbon revisited Experts push for more research into olivine weathering. Daniel Cressey 21 January 2014 Estimates suggest that olivine could be used to sequester a significant proportion of carbon emissions. Last week, a group of geoengineers met in Hamburg to discuss what on the face of it sounds like a very attractive idea: to soak up anthropogenic carbon emissions using only rocks and water. In particular, they want to help to mitigate climate change by crushing rocks and dropping them into the sea or spreading them on land. The meeting was hailed a success, but the idea is still far from fruition. The ‘weathering’, or breaking down, of rocks is a hugely important but very slow part of the carbon cycle. Natural weathering locks up atmospheric carbon dioxide by means of chemical reactions between common silicate minerals and air. For example, when magnesium-rich olivine, a rock of particular interest to geoengineers, is brought together with CO2 and water under natural conditions, the resulting reaction forms magnesium carbonate and silicic acid, thereby removing and storing carbon. But some scientists think that this natural process could be exploited to offset at least some of the carbon emitted by human activities. Rather than waiting for rocks to be slowly weathered away, olivine could be mined on an industrial scale, ground up, and spread over land or in the sea, speeding up these chemical reactions and sucking vast quantities of CO2 out of the atmosphere. But this presents practical problems: according to one estimate, you would need to spread 5 gigatonnes of olivine on beaches annually to offset 30% of global CO2 emissions (assuming 1990 levels of emissions; S. J. T. Hangx C. J. Spiers Int. J. Greenhouse Gas Contr. 3, 757–767; 2009). At the informal meeting, about 20 enhanced-weathering experts discussed recent research in the area and tried to summarize and coordinate future work, for example by agreeing to standardize experiments. Until now, there has been no organized research agenda for the fledgling field, says meeting convener Jens Hartmann, who works on geological cycles and carbon sequestration at the University of Hamburg in Germany. “It was very positive; we know we are now a community,” he says. Hartmann points out that humans have been exploiting rock weathering for decades — for example, by spreading minerals such as olivine, pyroxenes and serpentines as fertilizers. “The question is, can we optimize it and can we do it in areas we are not doing it?” he says. As with its use as a fertilizer, olivine would have to be finely crushed to maximize its exposure to carbon. Olaf Schuiling, a geochemist at Utrecht University in the Netherlands and a passionate advocate of enhanced weathering, proposes spreading coarse olivine grains on beaches that experience heavy seas. “There the grains are tumbling around in the surf and the waves, they collide, they abrade each other, and produce very rapidly a lot of tiny olivine slivers that weather quickly,” he says. However, there is little evidence for the practical rates of weathering that could be expected if large amounts of olivine or other rocks were mined and spread on fields or dumped into the sea. This, in turn, means it is not clear how much would be needed to significantly mitigate carbon emissions, how long it would take to work or whether it would be cost and energy efficient. In theory, one kilogram of olivine sequesters about one kilogram of CO2, but the rate at which this happens can be slow. And the actual efficiency of sequestration will be much lower than 100%, because of the energy used — and
