Re: New get_iplayer website forums
Mr SquarePenguin Thank you for working on such a great resource. My feeling is that as long at GIP is hard to use for a novice. The BBC won't be too interested. If however the notice a great deal of GIP usage say 5% or more of downloads, then they will send a cease and desist letter to the developers. I think this is the reason our first developer let it go. One of the terms of the cease and desist letter being that one could not talk about it. Anyway here's hoping for the best. regards Kevin On 16 July 2013 17:56, Square Penguin squarepeng...@getiplayer.co.uk wrote: Hello all, A few months ago I wrote a Complete Beginners Guide to get_iplayer on my personal blog, shortly followed by a Troubleshooting Guide. 'Complete' was a bit of a stretch as I soon learnt from the 300+ comments that poured in looking for assistance. However, the posts were very successful with around 12,000+ unique visitors in the last month and tens of thousands of page views. I was also very fortunate to have Dinkypumkin stop by on a regular basis to offer expert advice and knowledge to those in need. With that in mind, and with the help of Dinkypumpkin, I've created a fully fledged get_iplayer website, complete with guides, forums, a complete mirror of the Wiki from GitHub (which DP has graciously helped to populate and transfer), faq and quick install guides for all platforms. The site went 'live' yesterday and you can find the it at the link below, along with my reasons for creating it which are to be found on the blog: http://getiplayer.co.uk It's pitched very much at the newbie so I hope it helps some of those who struggle to get to grips with get_iplayer, or even with this mailing list ;-) Of course, it could all be in vain after the recent demise of Radio Downloader (a contemptuous act by the BBC!) and the potential for the BBC to send in the heavies. But here's to hoping that's not the case... SquarePenguin ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: New get_iplayer website forums
On 16/07/13 19:06, Kevin Lynch wrote: Mr SquarePenguin Thank you for working on such a great resource. My feeling is that as long at GIP is hard to use for a novice. The BBC won't be too interested. If however the notice a great deal of GIP usage say 5% or more of downloads, then they will send a cease and desist letter to the developers. I think this is the reason our first developer let it go. One of the terms of the cease and desist letter being that one could not talk about it. Anyway here's hoping for the best. regards Kevin On 16 July 2013 17:56, Square Penguin squarepeng...@getiplayer.co.uk wrote: Hello all, A few months ago I wrote a Complete Beginners Guide to get_iplayer on my personal blog, shortly followed by a Troubleshooting Guide. 'Complete' was a bit of a stretch as I soon learnt from the 300+ comments that poured in looking for assistance. However, the posts were very successful with around 12,000+ unique visitors in the last month and tens of thousands of page views. I was also very fortunate to have Dinkypumkin stop by on a regular basis to offer expert advice and knowledge to those in need. With that in mind, and with the help of Dinkypumpkin, I've created a fully fledged get_iplayer website, complete with guides, forums, a complete mirror of the Wiki from GitHub (which DP has graciously helped to populate and transfer), faq and quick install guides for all platforms. The site went 'live' yesterday and you can find the it at the link below, along with my reasons for creating it which are to be found on the blog: http://getiplayer.co.uk It's pitched very much at the newbie so I hope it helps some of those who struggle to get to grips with get_iplayer, or even with this mailing list ;-) Of course, it could all be in vain after the recent demise of Radio Downloader (a contemptuous act by the BBC!) and the potential for the BBC to send in the heavies. But here's to hoping that's not the case... SquarePenguin ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer Interesting !! http://getiplayer.co.uk The forum ‘Linux Unix Forums’ is closed to new topics and replies. ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: Re: New get_iplayer website forums
Use one of the two sub forums. The top level 'forum' acts a way to group them in one spot and it's locked on purpose so that random topics don't get added and need constant moving to general help or troubleshooting. SP ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: New get_iplayer website forums
It's a fantastic idea (in principle), and looks great... but I'm in agreement with some others and express concern about get_iplayer becoming too popular, and drawing attention to itself. A cease and desist letter might occur, but moreover, the last thing most of us want is active measures being taken to counter the use of get_iplayer and effectively 'spoil it for us all'. My honest belief is that the site should be as nondescript as possible, and generally try to avoid most of the search engine indexing if possible (and certainly lose the domain name with 'iplayer' in it!). I know it sounds very paranoid, and perhaps worse still, ungrateful but rest assured, that is far from the case. It's great that people are so active in keeping get_iplayer to alive and trying to make life easier for most of us... But keeping a low profile is probably the best possible strategy. It's just my opinion of course... but life is sweet at present... I don't want it to turn sour! esp when search engines start bringing up the site due to 'iplayer' in the domain name (which can have a strong effect on ranking) Square Penguin mailto:squarepeng...@getiplayer.co.uk 16 July 2013 17:56 Hello all, A few months ago I wrote a Complete Beginners Guide to get_iplayer on my personal blog, shortly followed by a Troubleshooting Guide. 'Complete' was a bit of a stretch as I soon learnt from the 300+ comments that poured in looking for assistance. However, the posts were very successful with around 12,000+ unique visitors in the last month and tens of thousands of page views. I was also very fortunate to have Dinkypumkin stop by on a regular basis to offer expert advice and knowledge to those in need. With that in mind, and with the help of Dinkypumpkin, I've created a fully fledged get_iplayer website, complete with guides, forums, a complete mirror of the Wiki from GitHub (which DP has graciously helped to populate and transfer), faq and quick install guides for all platforms. The site went 'live' yesterday and you can find the it at the link below, along with my reasons for creating it which are to be found on the blog: http://getiplayer.co.uk It's pitched very much at the newbie so I hope it helps some of those who struggle to get to grips with get_iplayer, or even with this mailing list ;-) Of course, it could all be in vain after the recent demise of Radio Downloader (a contemptuous act by the BBC!) and the potential for the BBC to send in the heavies. But here's to hoping that's not the case... SquarePenguin ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: New get_iplayer website forums
I'm not so active here but I agree with David - both in his compliments and in his concerns. On 16/07/13 20:36, David wrote: It's a fantastic idea (in principle), and looks great... but I'm in agreement with some others and express concern about get_iplayer becoming too popular, and drawing attention to itself. A cease and desist letter might occur, but moreover, the last thing most of us want is active measures being taken to counter the use of get_iplayer and effectively 'spoil it for us all'. My honest belief is that the site should be as nondescript as possible, and generally try to avoid most of the search engine indexing if possible (and certainly lose the domain name with 'iplayer' in it!). I know it sounds very paranoid, and perhaps worse still, ungrateful but rest assured, that is far from the case. It's great that people are so active in keeping get_iplayer to alive and trying to make life easier for most of us... But keeping a low profile is probably the best possible strategy. It's just my opinion of course... but life is sweet at present... I don't want it to turn sour! esp when search engines start bringing up the site due to 'iplayer' in the domain name (which can have a strong effect on ranking) Square Penguin mailto:squarepeng...@getiplayer.co.uk 16 July 2013 17:56 Hello all, A few months ago I wrote a Complete Beginners Guide to get_iplayer on my personal blog, shortly followed by a Troubleshooting Guide. 'Complete' was a bit of a stretch as I soon learnt from the 300+ comments that poured in looking for assistance. However, the posts were very successful with around 12,000+ unique visitors in the last month and tens of thousands of page views. I was also very fortunate to have Dinkypumkin stop by on a regular basis to offer expert advice and knowledge to those in need. With that in mind, and with the help of Dinkypumpkin, I've created a fully fledged get_iplayer website, complete with guides, forums, a complete mirror of the Wiki from GitHub (which DP has graciously helped to populate and transfer), faq and quick install guides for all platforms. The site went 'live' yesterday and you can find the it at the link below, along with my reasons for creating it which are to be found on the blog: http://getiplayer.co.uk It's pitched very much at the newbie so I hope it helps some of those who struggle to get to grips with get_iplayer, or even with this mailing list ;-) Of course, it could all be in vain after the recent demise of Radio Downloader (a contemptuous act by the BBC!) and the potential for the BBC to send in the heavies. But here's to hoping that's not the case... SquarePenguin ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: New get_iplayer website forums
And me too. Nice site, but I think it should perhaps be our little secret... Better that than lose it. On 16/07/2013 21:15, roadcone (gmx) imap wrote: I'm not so active here but I agree with David - both in his compliments and in his concerns. On 16/07/13 20:36, David wrote: It's a fantastic idea (in principle), and looks great... but I'm in agreement with some others and express concern about get_iplayer becoming too popular, and drawing attention to itself. A cease and desist letter might occur, but moreover, the last thing most of us want is active measures being taken to counter the use of get_iplayer and effectively 'spoil it for us all'. My honest belief is that the site should be as nondescript as possible, and generally try to avoid most of the search engine indexing if possible (and certainly lose the domain name with 'iplayer' in it!). I know it sounds very paranoid, and perhaps worse still, ungrateful but rest assured, that is far from the case. It's great that people are so active in keeping get_iplayer to alive and trying to make life easier for most of us... But keeping a low profile is probably the best possible strategy. It's just my opinion of course... but life is sweet at present... I don't want it to turn sour! esp when search engines start bringing up the site due to 'iplayer' in the domain name (which can have a strong effect on ranking) Square Penguin mailto:squarepeng...@getiplayer.co.uk 16 July 2013 17:56 Hello all, A few months ago I wrote a Complete Beginners Guide to get_iplayer on my personal blog, shortly followed by a Troubleshooting Guide. 'Complete' was a bit of a stretch as I soon learnt from the 300+ comments that poured in looking for assistance. However, the posts were very successful with around 12,000+ unique visitors in the last month and tens of thousands of page views. I was also very fortunate to have Dinkypumkin stop by on a regular basis to offer expert advice and knowledge to those in need. With that in mind, and with the help of Dinkypumpkin, I've created a fully fledged get_iplayer website, complete with guides, forums, a complete mirror of the Wiki from GitHub (which DP has graciously helped to populate and transfer), faq and quick install guides for all platforms. The site went 'live' yesterday and you can find the it at the link below, along with my reasons for creating it which are to be found on the blog: http://getiplayer.co.uk It's pitched very much at the newbie so I hope it helps some of those who struggle to get to grips with get_iplayer, or even with this mailing list ;-) Of course, it could all be in vain after the recent demise of Radio Downloader (a contemptuous act by the BBC!) and the potential for the BBC to send in the heavies. But here's to hoping that's not the case... SquarePenguin ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: New get_iplayer website forums
Hi All, I love the effort square penguin has put in, but also have to agree with the feeling of keeping under the radar. Remember lots of the content is not the BBC's as such and their partners get anti. Ian Macdonald On 16 Jul 2013, at 22:15, roadcone (gmx) imap roadc...@gmx.com wrote: I'm not so active here but I agree with David - both in his compliments and in his concerns. On 16/07/13 20:36, David wrote: It's a fantastic idea (in principle), and looks great... but I'm in agreement with some others and express concern about get_iplayer becoming too popular, and drawing attention to itself. A cease and desist letter might occur, but moreover, the last thing most of us want is active measures being taken to counter the use of get_iplayer and effectively 'spoil it for us all'. My honest belief is that the site should be as nondescript as possible, and generally try to avoid most of the search engine indexing if possible (and certainly lose the domain name with 'iplayer' in it!). I know it sounds very paranoid, and perhaps worse still, ungrateful but rest assured, that is far from the case. It's great that people are so active in keeping get_iplayer to alive and trying to make life easier for most of us... But keeping a low profile is probably the best possible strategy. It's just my opinion of course... but life is sweet at present... I don't want it to turn sour! esp when search engines start bringing up the site due to 'iplayer' in the domain name (which can have a strong effect on ranking) Square Penguin mailto:squarepeng...@getiplayer.co.uk 16 July 2013 17:56 Hello all, A few months ago I wrote a Complete Beginners Guide to get_iplayer on my personal blog, shortly followed by a Troubleshooting Guide. 'Complete' was a bit of a stretch as I soon learnt from the 300+ comments that poured in looking for assistance. However, the posts were very successful with around 12,000+ unique visitors in the last month and tens of thousands of page views. I was also very fortunate to have Dinkypumkin stop by on a regular basis to offer expert advice and knowledge to those in need. With that in mind, and with the help of Dinkypumpkin, I've created a fully fledged get_iplayer website, complete with guides, forums, a complete mirror of the Wiki from GitHub (which DP has graciously helped to populate and transfer), faq and quick install guides for all platforms. The site went 'live' yesterday and you can find the it at the link below, along with my reasons for creating it which are to be found on the blog: http://getiplayer.co.uk It's pitched very much at the newbie so I hope it helps some of those who struggle to get to grips with get_iplayer, or even with this mailing list ;-) Of course, it could all be in vain after the recent demise of Radio Downloader (a contemptuous act by the BBC!) and the potential for the BBC to send in the heavies. But here's to hoping that's not the case... SquarePenguin ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: New get_iplayer website forums
And this mailing list is doing my head in - the software is so hopelessly antiquated The mailing list is just that - a *mailing* list. If your email client is antiquated, then get a new one! Personally, I'd be a bit disappointed if mailing list traffic moved to a forum structure, particularly as there appears to be no email integration (currently). Purely from a selfish perspective, I find mail that comes to me is far easier to engage with than a forum which I have to go checking... As for the site, it certainly look very good so well done - on a purely usability point, I would say that including guides, FAQs _and_ a wiki would appear to involve unnecessary duplication, which is going to keep you very busy in trying to keep them up to date! More importantly, however, like others above, I'm not sure that the principle of the site is a great idea, and that it will serve only to increase the concerns of the rights-holders. Obviously, as a (very!) rare contributor, I only all of this only as an opinion and defer to those closer to the project (dinkypumpkin) for decisions about how the the site moves forward. tommy ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: New get_iplayer website forums
The site went 'live' yesterday and you can find the it at the link below, along with my reasons for creating it which are to be found on the blog: http://getiplayer.co.uk I want to agree strongly with the sentiments of those who think this is very likely to elicit an unwelcome response from the BBC. The domain name getiplayer.co.uk, which incorporates a registered trademark of the BBC, together with the presence of the iplayer logo (also copyright) is bound to attract the attention of the BBC's copyright lawyers sooner or later. (Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. I do have direct knowledge of a very similar situation involving another website whose domain name made injudicious use of a trademark, which did not have an entirely happy ending.) At that point they will look at what service the site provides, see that it enables users to (technically) violate BBC's terms of service, and that may be the end of GiP as we know it, judging from what BBC has done in the past. I love GiP and have quietly been using it very happily since its earliest days. Congratulations to SquarePenguin for a very nice website which will benefit a lot of people, especially newbies, and keep the traffic on the list down. I hate to be a killjoy, but please think about moving back to squarepenguin.co.uk and removing the iplayer logo before running into big trouble, which may spoil all our fun. Tony ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: New get_iplayer website forums
On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 22:36 +0100, Jonathan H wrote: And this mailing list is doing my head in - the software is so hopelessly antiquated, it won't even tag subject lines with get_iplayer. Why would it do that? The reverse-path of the message clearly identifies where it comes from, so if you want to filter list traffic into a separate folder you can do it cleanly and safely without false positives when someone explicitly adds you to Cc. Adding noise to the subject line is just pointless. And it also defaults to replying to the sender, not the list (as I just noticed after my post failed to appear after 8 hours!) Your mailer has a 'private reply' and a 'reply to all' feature, surely? If you choose 'private reply' (often just labelled 'reply'), why would you be surprised at what it does? Some mailing lists do have an abusive setup which hijacks the *private* reply and makes it go back to the list. And thus, things which were meant to be *private* can end up being sent to the public list. That's a stupid way to configure a list. Yes, it might be inconvenient occasionally if someone forgets how to drive their own mail client and uses the private reply instead of the group reply. But the failure mode is relatively harmless — you just send the message again, correctly this time. The failure mode when a private message ends up in public can be *much* worse. -- dwmw2 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: [RadioCarolineFanMailinglist] Beeb's Response to Take Down of Radio Downloader
Thank you for the link but I don't think that I am interested in their feeble excuses. Time they were shut down. Corrupt and inept. Mark - Original Message - From: Chris J Brady chrisjbr...@yahoo.com To: get_iplayer get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org; RadioCarolineMailingList radiocarolinemailingl...@yahoogroups.com Cc: california_ano...@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, 14 July, 2013 7:27 PM Subject: [RadioCarolineFanMailinglist] Beeb's Response to Take Down of Radio Downloader RadioDownloader - used for scheduling the downloading of radio programmes from the BBC's iPlayer service - was sent a cease and desist notice by the Beeb a few weeks ago. Suddenly it stopped working for thousands of users mainly those overseas. http://www.nerdoftheherd.com/ Radio 4's Feedback programme explains why - but not very convincingly. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b036l8xg/Feedback_12_07_2013/ It can be downloaded using get_iplayer or iFetch. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RadioCarolineMailinglist/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RadioCarolineMailinglist/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: radiocarolinemailinglist-dig...@yahoogroups.com radiocarolinemailinglist-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: radiocarolinemailinglist-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
RE: New get_iplayer website forums
I completely agree with all that has been said re raising the profile of the project. DON'T DO IT. Keep the obscurity; even the WebPVR was a step in the wrong direction I think. CLI only is pretty obscure; the reason I think it has been allowed to continue for so long. Perhaps the name of the project should also be changed? DO NOT ADVERTISE IT PLEASE. I am well happy with the mailing list as it is too; I filter messages automatically into their own folder, so no clutter in my inbox; they are very easy to search and categorise in even the most basic email client. What more could you ask for? -Original Message- From: get_iplayer [mailto:get_iplayer-boun...@lists.infradead.org] On Behalf Of David Woodhouse Sent: 16 July 2013 23:40 To: Jonathan H Cc: get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org Subject: Re: New get_iplayer website forums On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 22:36 +0100, Jonathan H wrote: And this mailing list is doing my head in - the software is so hopelessly antiquated, it won't even tag subject lines with get_iplayer. Why would it do that? The reverse-path of the message clearly identifies where it comes from, so if you want to filter list traffic into a separate folder you can do it cleanly and safely without false positives when someone explicitly adds you to Cc. Adding noise to the subject line is just pointless. And it also defaults to replying to the sender, not the list (as I just noticed after my post failed to appear after 8 hours!) Your mailer has a 'private reply' and a 'reply to all' feature, surely? If you choose 'private reply' (often just labelled 'reply'), why would you be surprised at what it does? Some mailing lists do have an abusive setup which hijacks the *private* reply and makes it go back to the list. And thus, things which were meant to be *private* can end up being sent to the public list. That's a stupid way to configure a list. Yes, it might be inconvenient occasionally if someone forgets how to drive their own mail client and uses the private reply instead of the group reply. But the failure mode is relatively harmless - you just send the message again, correctly this time. The failure mode when a private message ends up in public can be *much* worse. -- dwmw2 ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
New Website
Please can I join in those GIP users urgently requesting that the new GIP website change its provocative use of both the name and logo of the BBC? The desire to help newbies with GIP is admirable and the website is brilliant, but putting the entire project at risk of legal intervention is a potential disaster. Have you all forgotten about Radiodownloader so soon? As an expat, availability to the BBC is the only thing that saves my sanity from the truly appalling lightweight crap that is free-to-air TV here. Even pay TV here is now going down the same gurgler.. Perhaps those actually in the UK don't realise the truly unique value of advert free, quality programmes in todays world. Please, please, take down the red flags before the Bull notices OldTimer43 ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: New Website
But with respect, GIP is not for the purposes of circumventing international copyright law, however dismal your country's television. I have the same complaints about a lot of UK telly! If we explicitly or implicitly encourage the use of GIP to operate outside of copyright law, the whole thing will be taken away from us permanently. On 17 July 2013 00:37:54 Xtra terryandshe...@xtra.co.nz wrote: Please can I join in those GIP users urgently requesting that the new GIP website change its provocative use of both the name and logo of the BBC? The desire to help newbies with GIP is admirable and the website is brilliant, but putting the entire project at risk of legal intervention is a potential disaster. Have you all forgotten about Radiodownloader so soon? As an expat, availability to the BBC is the only thing that saves my sanity from the truly appalling lightweight crap that is free-to-air TV here. Even pay TV here is now going down the same gurgler.. Perhaps those actually in the UK don't realise the truly unique value of advert free, quality programmes in todays world. Please, please, take down the red flags before the Bull notices OldTimer43 ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: Re: New Website
To address a few points: iplayer in URL: There is nothing wrong with having 'iplayer' in the URL as far as I am aware. The site does not generate revenue (which is key) or seek to dilute the trademark. Legal precedent for this is well established. Check out 'ryan air sucks' for just one notable example that's still alive after 8+ years, if stagnant. Use of Logo: That is get_iplayer's logo and always has been as far as I am aware. It is on the front page of this mailing list. If someone would like to do another one I'd be more than happy to use it, but if the BBC decides to go after get_iplayer, it won't be over the logo. The name: get_iplayer is called get_iplayer. It has iplayer in the name. If we are concerned that the use of 'iplayer' is the reason the Beeb would shut it down, we should change the name of the software itself. Radio Downloader did not avoid takedown by avoiding the use of 'iplayer'. Visibility of get_iplayer: The previous guide has seen thousands, actually tens of thousands of unique visitors and has been sat on the front page for months under very popular search terms such as 'iplayer guide'. Additionally, the software has been available for many many years and the Beeb is well aware of it. It's important to note that Radio Downloader didn't have any protection from takedown by 'hiding under a rock' and nor (logically) would get_iplayer. I am happy to use the squarepenguin.co.uk URL and change the logo if someone provides one, but ask yourself if you think it would truly make any difference in light of Radio Downloader? ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: New get_iplayer website forums
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Philip Kane teknop...@gmx.com wrote: I completely agree with all that has been said re raising the profile of the project. DON'T DO IT. +1. Seems like a control grab from out of nowhere. Unneeded and unnecessarily provocative. Things were fine. Who can't buy a domain and set up cute forums. A sad day. 4OD streamblocking and now this. ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: New get_iplayer website forums
On 17/07/13 02:19, Arthur Murray wrote: On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Philip Kane teknop...@gmx.com wrote: I completely agree with all that has been said re raising the profile of the project. DON'T DO IT. +1. Seems like a control grab from out of nowhere. Unneeded and unnecessarily provocative. Things were fine. Who can't buy a domain and set up cute forums. A sad day. 4OD streamblocking and now this. ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer + another 1 very strongly felt. ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Fw: command line to http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-23310447
I d like to download the video at http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-23310447 I tried get_iplayer --type=tv --get http://www.bbc.co.uk/ news/world-asia-india-23310447 but all I get is warning no programmes are available for this pid with version(s)/ default can you help please thank you ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: New get_iplayer website forums
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 20:36:03 +0100, David thebrilliantmist...@gmail.com wrote: But keeping a low profile is probably the best possible strategy Sadly, I think this is correct ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Beebify now with unBLOCKr
Great news from Beebify is that we've just partnered with unBLOCKr. unBLOCKr provides access to PlayRights for DRM-protected BBC-TV shows when you're outside the UK. Download with Beebify, get PlayRights with unBLOCKr. unBLOCKr is now tightly integrated into Beebify. Just switch on unBLOCKr in Beebify's Welcome panel - set it and forget it, as traffic other than BBC-TV PlayRights requests is unaffected. As a kindness to infrequent BBC-TV viewers, acquiring one PlayRights per day is free. Or subscribe for unlimited use. But we'd like to invite get_iplayer people to come and test Beebify+unBLOCKr, so we've reduced this time limitation to 30 minutes - meaning that as soon as you've finished watching one BBC-TV episode, it will be ready to acquire PlayRights for the next. Enjoy this 30-minute special for the next week or two as we monitor the performance of this new capability (then it'll return to one-PlayRights-per-day, or subscribe for unlimited use). As always, Beebify works in recent versions of the top-5 browsers, but unBLOCKr requires Windows operating system. Setting up and switching on unBLOCKr is as simple as clicking the unBLOCKr Setup button in Beebify's Welcome panel. If you've previously recommended Beebify to friends, family or work colleagues, we'd love you to tell them about this new unBLOCKr facility. Firstly, that Beebify+unBLOCKr is simple to switch on and use, and that it's free for one PlayRights acquisition per day. There have also been behind-the-scenes improvements to Beebify, all BBC downloads now constantly checked to remove those for which PlayRights are no longer available, and for adding new files to existing episodes. Simplicity and functionality are still our focus, and we still respect users' privacy by not requiring either email address or other form of signup. We really hope you'll have a look at the new Beebify+unBLOCKr at http://beebify.com Adam Beebify's nerd team. ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: Beebify now with unBLOCKr
On 17 July 2013 at 05:42 please_no_re...@beebify.com wrote: Great news from Beebify is that we've just partnered with unBLOCKr. If it looks like Spam, and smells like spam -- TQ via webmail ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: New get_iplayer website forums
On 17 July 2013 at 05:01 Carl Fletcher kernelbas...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 20:36:03 +0100, David thebrilliantmist...@gmail.com wrote: But keeping a low profile is probably the best possible strategy Sadly, I think this is correct Why sadly? A low profile, with an opt-in mailing list, and no web-presence (or at least as small a presence as possible) seems to be the way to go. No matter now well crafted a robots.txt file is, sites WILL be indexed. If what I have seen from ex-Radio Downloader users is typical of their previous collective approach, then I am not at all surprised that a C D letter was received by the author(s) of the package. -- TQ via webmail ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
RE: Re: New Website
First time contribution here, but could I respectfully suggest that the points made below, whilst theoretically arguable, would almost certainly be ruinously expensive even to deploy in any sort of legal context. (Declaration of interest: I am a lawyer, although not practising in IP) Consequently, they afford only theoretical, rather than real, protection. In these matters, discretion may be the better part of valour...unless one has particularly deep pockets. -Original Message- From: get_iplayer [mailto:get_iplayer-boun...@lists.infradead.org] On Behalf Of Square Penguin Sent: 17 July 2013 01:20 To: get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org Subject: Re: Re: New Website To address a few points: iplayer in URL: There is nothing wrong with having 'iplayer' in the URL as far as I am aware. The site does not generate revenue (which is key) or seek to dilute the trademark. Legal precedent for this is well established. Check out 'ryan air sucks' for just one notable example that's still alive after 8+ years, if stagnant. Use of Logo: That is get_iplayer's logo and always has been as far as I am aware. It is on the front page of this mailing list. If someone would like to do another one I'd be more than happy to use it, but if the BBC decides to go after get_iplayer, it won't be over the logo. The name: get_iplayer is called get_iplayer. It has iplayer in the name. If we are concerned that the use of 'iplayer' is the reason the Beeb would shut it down, we should change the name of the software itself. Radio Downloader did not avoid takedown by avoiding the use of 'iplayer'. Visibility of get_iplayer: The previous guide has seen thousands, actually tens of thousands of unique visitors and has been sat on the front page for months under very popular search terms such as 'iplayer guide'. Additionally, the software has been available for many many years and the Beeb is well aware of it. It's important to note that Radio Downloader didn't have any protection from takedown by 'hiding under a rock' and nor (logically) would get_iplayer. I am happy to use the squarepenguin.co.uk URL and change the logo if someone provides one, but ask yourself if you think it would truly make any difference in light of Radio Downloader? ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
