[Gimp-developer] Displaying image using GTK

2003-12-10 Thread Shrinivas Kulkarni



Is there any way to display GIMP image in 
GTK controls? There is one more question I have is that, can we write a 
standalone app using GIMP. This question arises, because, I do not want to use 
all the funcitonality of GIMP, but want to have my own toolbox and still able to 
use selective functionality from GIMP.
 
Thanks and regards,Shrinivas 
Kulkarni.
 


[Gimp-developer] gimp-help-2 status

2003-12-10 Thread Roman Joost
This mail is only a tiny status mail of the current progress on
gimp-help-2.

With Raymonds help i'm now be able to build the help with UTF-8 encoded
XML files, which are "xincluded" in the gimp.xml file. All of
the entities are gone and i can replace the last files with the
correct unicode characters. I'm looking forward to replace all the old
files with the newer UTF-8 stuff on weekend. That means, the CVS should
be up to date soon (i've some frensh files on hold). Julien and Raymond
are working like machines.. i can't get the files into the CVS as they
produce them :)

The manual itself looks promising. We got some additional writing power
for the english content. Daryl Lee takes care about the english content
and Niklas can produce (or better: is producing) swedish content. We,
Niklas and i, ran into bit trouble lately, when we tried to produce
the manual with some swedish content. It seems, that docbook doesn't
have any swedish support?!

Additionally, we get some feedback from Ramanan Selvaratnam. He'll
support us with additional information about free software
backgrounds (sorry, i didn't have the time lately, to read all the
mails) and will provide content in 'Tamil' - "a truly global diaspora with
a growing interest in FS". Daniel pays attention to him, because he has
the most knowledge about the gimp-help-2 project.

Hopefully, i've some more time over new year's eve to write german
content and stay in sync with Raymond and Julien. I'm looking forward to
have a meeting with the Gimpers in Berlin on the 20C3 and a good manual
for the Gimp 2. I hope i didn't missed something ...

Greetings,
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Re: [Gimp-developer] I don't usually post remove requests to the list...

2003-12-10 Thread Daniel Rogers
Daniel Rogers wrote:

Michael Graff wrote:

But, will the list maintainer PLEASE remove me?   I have followed the 
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You are forgivin.  Our lists have been broken for some time.  They were 
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I my excitement about our lists being fixed, I forgot to make it 
explict: you should be able to unsubscribe now.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] I don't usually post remove requests to the list...

2003-12-10 Thread Daniel Rogers
Michael Graff wrote:
But, will the list maintainer PLEASE remove me?   I have followed the http 
links in the headers.  I have mailed the email addresses in them.  I have 
mailed [EMAIL PROTECTED]  I have gotten no replies, or 
results.
You are forgivin.  Our lists have been broken for some time.  They were 
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Handling of transparent pixels

2003-12-10 Thread Dave Neary
Hi,

Raphaël Quinet wrote:
One thing that has not been mentioned in this discussion so far is
that there are two kinds of transparent pixels: those that have been
made transparent during the current GIMP editing session, and those
that were already transparent when the file was loaded from disk or
obtained from a plug-in.
Like nomis and Sven, I don't see there being any inherent difference here.

1) For the pixels that have been made transparent during the current
   editing session, one point of view could be to consider the alpha
   channel as a "hiding mechanism" that does not modify the RGB data.
   However, if the goal is to be able to un-erase some pixels that
   were accidentally made transparent, then an "undo brush" would be a
   more appropriate solution to that problem.  So the concept of
   "hiding without destroying" is not really necessary if the same
   data can be retrieved from the undo history with the same
   convenience.
I don't follow your logic here. It is undoubtedly useful to consider an 
alpha channel as a way to hide data, therefore it is not necessary to 
modify data in the RGB channel when we modify the A channel.

In any case, masks and alpha channels are also used to hide data across 
sessions for several file formats (eg. png), and we have ven had a bug 
report against the GIMP 
(http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=82882) because someone 
expected this behaviour from the tiff plug-in (apparrently this is 
provided by other programs).

2) For the pixels that have been obtained from an external source,
   then the "hiding" concept does not fit because the RGB data is
   undefined.
This is where we start to voilently diverge :) I disagree that this is 
the case. It may be considered to be the case in some specific 
circumstances, but in general, we should not destroy data, IMHO. Not 
destroying it means, inevitably, allowing it to be manipulated. Your 
suggestion amounts to pre-multiplying RGB by alpha regardless of the 
file format, and I consider that just wrong.

Beyond the next release,
this is also why we should consider removing the "anti-erase" mode of
the eraser tool in a future release and replace it by an undo brush.
As a matter of interest, how would an undo brush work? I'm having 
trouble getting my head around the idea.

Cheers,
Dave.
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