Re: [Gimp-developer] 2.2 splash screen competition

2004-11-30 Thread David Neary
Hi,

Manish Singh wrote:
 The news was fixed last night. The contest will be worked on soon.

In case you hadn't noticed, we're due a release next week. How
soon is soon?

 Please take the current contest down. It should be on www.gimp.org.

No.

 It seems that few people learned from the mistakes of the last contest.
 Once again, it is slashdotted. The framework on wgo was designed to
 handle that load. Wikis aren't.

It'll do, it's better than nothing.

 Why did nobody wait for any real input? (remember, there was a holiday
 weekend in the US that just finished). This is shameful.

I didn't know. I'm an Irishman living in France - how am I
supposed to know about USA holidays?

We have different definitions of shame.

Cheers,
Dave.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] 2.2 splash screen competition

2004-11-30 Thread Manish Singh
On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 08:01:20PM +0100, David Neary wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Manish Singh wrote:
  The news was fixed last night. The contest will be worked on soon.
 
 In case you hadn't noticed, we're due a release next week. How
 soon is soon?

Today.
 
  Please take the current contest down. It should be on www.gimp.org.
 
 No.

 
  It seems that few people learned from the mistakes of the last contest.
  Once again, it is slashdotted. The framework on wgo was designed to
  handle that load. Wikis aren't.
 
 It'll do, it's better than nothing.

No, it won't do.
 
  Why did nobody wait for any real input? (remember, there was a holiday
  weekend in the US that just finished). This is shameful.
 
 I didn't know. I'm an Irishman living in France - how am I
 supposed to know about USA holidays?

Cause they are mentioned in gimp forums, just like european holidays are
(and respected).
 
You *are* expected to know about timezones, and at least wait till
Pacific Standard Time for comments.

-Yosh
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Re: [Gimp-developer] 2.2 splash screen competition

2004-11-30 Thread David Neary
Hi,

Manish Singh wrote:
 On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 08:01:20PM +0100, David Neary wrote:
  In case you hadn't noticed, we're due a release next week. How
  soon is soon?
 
 Today.

If you want to do the work of changing all the places that things
have been said now, be my guest. Let me know, I'll blog the new
location. Otherwise, the wiki will do for the week. It's not like
we're going to get hundreds of entries.

   Why did nobody wait for any real input? (remember, there was a holiday
   weekend in the US that just finished). This is shameful.
  
  I didn't know. I'm an Irishman living in France - how am I
  supposed to know about USA holidays?
 
 Cause they are mentioned in gimp forums, just like european holidays are
 (and respected).

Were you expecting us to wait for some comments from *you*
specifically before starting something?

 You *are* expected to know about timezones, and at least wait till
 Pacific Standard Time for comments.

The initial (wrong) announcement was last evening at 19h CET, 11h
PST which certainly gave you enough time to comment before we had
to sort something out.

Dave.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] 2.2 splash screen competition

2004-11-30 Thread Manish Singh
On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 08:37:00PM +0100, David Neary wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Manish Singh wrote:
  On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 08:01:20PM +0100, David Neary wrote:
   In case you hadn't noticed, we're due a release next week. How
   soon is soon?
  
  Today.
 
 If you want to do the work of changing all the places that things
 have been said now, be my guest. Let me know, I'll blog the new
 location. Otherwise, the wiki will do for the week. It's not like
 we're going to get hundreds of entries.
 
Sure. I'll also demphasize the current wiki bit.

Why did nobody wait for any real input? (remember, there was a holiday
weekend in the US that just finished). This is shameful.
   
   I didn't know. I'm an Irishman living in France - how am I
   supposed to know about USA holidays?
  
  Cause they are mentioned in gimp forums, just like european holidays are
  (and respected).
 
 Were you expecting us to wait for some comments from *you*
 specifically before starting something?
 
  You *are* expected to know about timezones, and at least wait till
  Pacific Standard Time for comments.
 
 The initial (wrong) announcement was last evening at 19h CET, 11h
 PST which certainly gave you enough time to comment before we had
 to sort something out.

Carol responded to it. You asked if anyone had time. Sven replied not to
wait, as the news system hasn't been resurrected for several months
when it in fact had been the night before. (nobody bothers to check
these things).

This was all said in the wee hours of the morning here. It couldn't wait
12 hours?

-Yosh
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Re: [Gimp-developer] 2.2 splash screen competition

2004-11-30 Thread David Neary
Hi,

Manish Singh wrote:
 On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 08:37:00PM +0100, David Neary wrote:
  If you want to do the work of changing all the places that things
  have been said now, be my guest. Let me know, I'll blog the new
  location. Otherwise, the wiki will do for the week. It's not like
  we're going to get hundreds of entries.
  
 Sure. I'll also demphasize the current wiki bit.

Don't forget to migrate all of the images that have already been
submitted from the wiki.

 This was all said in the wee hours of the morning here. It couldn't wait
 12 hours?

Given that (unfortunately) I had already made an announcement,
since (unfortunately) this thing got left to the last minute and
there was no time left to wait for some kind of group approval,
it was important that we put something in place today. The
contest is only going to run for 6 days. Waiting until tomorrow
or Thursday was unacceptable.

Dave.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] 2.2 splash screen competition

2004-11-30 Thread Manish Singh
On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 09:04:04PM +0100, David Neary wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Manish Singh wrote:
  On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 08:37:00PM +0100, David Neary wrote:
   If you want to do the work of changing all the places that things
   have been said now, be my guest. Let me know, I'll blog the new
   location. Otherwise, the wiki will do for the week. It's not like
   we're going to get hundreds of entries.
   
  Sure. I'll also demphasize the current wiki bit.
 
 Don't forget to migrate all of the images that have already been
 submitted from the wiki.

Yeah. Some have already been dropped on the floor though.

  This was all said in the wee hours of the morning here. It couldn't wait
  12 hours?
 
 Given that (unfortunately) I had already made an announcement,
 since (unfortunately) this thing got left to the last minute and
 there was no time left to wait for some kind of group approval,
 it was important that we put something in place today. The
 contest is only going to run for 6 days. Waiting until tomorrow
 or Thursday was unacceptable.

And announcement could've been made stating the rules and criteria,
but the submission mechanism could've been finalized later. That's
what's happening anyway...

The gnome.org people dont' seem to be too happy about what's happened
either.

-Yosh
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Re: [Gimp-developer] 2.2 splash screen competition

2004-11-30 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

Manish Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 The initial (wrong) announcement was last evening at 19h CET, 11h
 PST which certainly gave you enough time to comment before we had
 to sort something out.

 Carol responded to it. You asked if anyone had time. Sven replied not to
 wait, as the news system hasn't been resurrected for several months
 when it in fact had been the night before. (nobody bothers to check
 these things).

Sorry, but at the time I said this the news was still broken and there
was no sign at all that this would change anytime soon. If I had known
that a fix was in the queue, we'd have used the contest framework on
wgo. Actually, I asked for help in #gimp-web several times and got
none. OK, people have been on holidays which is OK but I don't think
that we need to blame each other now for doing things wrongly.
Everyone was just trying to do their best.


Sven
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