Re: [Gimp-developer] The name "Gimp"
Same thing happend to me when I announced on a forum I created a program named RIOT (an acronym of Radical Image Optimization Tool). Some people pointed that the name is not good. Quote: "The name is not good. It conveys the impression that the program will make a right mess of users' images." Meanwhile, the program became quite popular and now nobody says the name is not good :) It is simply a name and people learned to accept (and like it). My conclusions are: 1. too late to change it 2. let the parents choose the name Regards, Lucian ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] Mouse Pointer Coordinates
Hi I am new to gimp plug-in development. I wanted to know how mouse clicks are handled and also how coordinated for the mouse pointer position are retrieved (similar to what the pointer dialog does). I suspect it is something to do with GTK/GDK (GDKCursor?), but i am not sure how it works out. -- Niranjan (via www.gimpusers.com) ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Mouse Pointer Coordinates
On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 10:02 +0100, Niranjan wrote: > Hi > > I am new to gimp plug-in development. > > I wanted to know how mouse clicks are handled and also how coordinated for > the mouse pointer position are retrieved (similar to what the pointer dialog > does). > > I suspect it is something to do with GTK/GDK (GDKCursor?), but i am not sure > how it works out. Please have a look at the GTK+ documentation. There are very nice tutorials and example code at http://www.gtk.org/documentation.html The official GTK+ tutorial at http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk-tutorial/stable/ covers your question. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] The name "Gimp"
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Brendan wrote: > On Thursday 29 October 2009, you wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Brendan wrote: >> >> All the above comprise a significant factor in why forks are regarded, >> >> at best, as a necessary evil. All forks dilute branding, which >> >> introduces user confusion and repels potential users. >> > >> > I think it's incorrect to say it repels potential users and leave it at >> > that. It will also just as likely ATTRACT new users who were put off by >> > the lame name. >> >> That's speculative. We know from past software history that what I > > The extent is speculative, the same as you. I know an entire office who said > they would use it if it changed the name, so it's not nearly as speculative as > you think. Fair enough. > >> > Call it the Gnu IMP. >> >> This has to be facetiousness, doesn't it? > > Most of what I say is at least slightly facetious. If they simplify it > themselves, that's their problem, and not something that is super-obvious. If we look at the way the photoshop family of products are abbreviated by people(PS7/CE4/Elements),and GNU projects (bc, bash, tar, Octave, etc), just plain IMP is reasonably likely. (in fact, GIMP is an oddity in that the GNU is actually included in the acronym.. if it were more canonical, people would already be calling it Gnu IMP or IMP). That's fair enough.. IMP *is* a better name (and people who object to it on religious grounds probably are terminally humorless), we just should expect it to still manage to be taken as objectionable. Actually, I'm in favor of your proposition now, you've convinced me. Gnu IMP is 'backwards compatible' as you say, more in line with other GNU projects' naming, and could result in image* improvement in the future. As long as it's not a fork -- that is, the renaming would need to be official. * The kind that doesn't have pixels in it :) but, well, the other kind too I suppose :) A list of files that would need modification: HACKING NEWS gimpui.pc.in [a few utility scripts like gimp-zip] [most files with 'gimp' in the filename would need renaming. that is >1686 files to rename] [All enumerations which include 'GIMP' in them] [.gimp-2.x would need to be migrated to .imp-2.x .. and then symlink .gimp-2.x to that] [On Linux, create a symlink 'gimp' pointing at 'imp' (or something like that)] [We'd need to deliberately avoid changing the XCF and rcfiles format, which refer to such object types as 'gimp-image-grid', 'GimpDeviceInfo', 'gimp-channel-list'. Note: some rcfiles include 'gimp' in the names of objects, others do not. I don't fully understand why.] [themes would need to be updated to refer to 'imp-*' widget classes rather than 'gimp-*' widget classes] All active/'pending' branches would need to be updated to match (this would be mostly trivial, I expect situations where new enumerations or files were introduced to be more involved) This would be quite time-sensitive in order to maintain a functional GIT repository -- it would need to compile successfully again within 3 days. So it might take a small team just to complete this. Then the documentation would need to be synchronized with the change (screenshots, textual references to 'GIMP') fairly promptly after that -- which is IMO quite hairy due to I18N concerns. All *gimp* pdb functions would have to be deprecated in preference to *imp* versions. .po files would all need to be updated, however this would not need to be done all in a lump but could be spread over time. All the above would be best done at the beginning of a development cycle (eg. when 2.8 has just been released). It would be relatively free of the potential for invisible bugs -- most problems would show up as compilation errors. I believe the above is the minimum required to seriously do that change. Though of course we could begin with the user-visible things (binary names, and strings) and progress to the developer side (filenames and enumerations).. it would still be vital for it's success to quickly do the migration on the developer side, which is the majority of the work involved. I can see why GIMP developers would want to avoid such a thing. I do believe that the migration wouldn't require more than a very basic understanding of the GIMP code base. What it would really need is a) a great deal of organization and b) an active and moderately large team. (doing only the user-visible side is a possibility.. but this may result in confusion where eg. a PDB function is named gimp-* where the program says it is 'IMP') PS. 'The GIMP' is anachronistic AFAIK -- GIMP (no 'the') is canonical currently. PPS. I believe (haven't tested, my GIMP GIT clone is not in working order currently), that the option '--program-transform-name=s/gimp/imp/g' to configure would result in appropriately named binaries (imp-2.7 etc) ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Ber
Re: [Gimp-developer] The name "Gimp"
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 12:40 PM, David Gowers <00a...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Brendan wrote: > A list of files that would need modification: >... SINP LONG LIST... And all of GIMP code. 98% functions are prefixed as gimp. You can try to grep for gimp on gimp source tree. Forget it. Some English speakers discomfort at the name is getting a bit ridiculous IMHO. -- --Alexia ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] The name "Gimp"
> if it were more canonical, people would already be calling it Gnu IMP > or IMP). That's fair enough.. IMP *is* a better name (and people who > object to it on religious grounds probably are terminally humorless), Actually I think there are quite a few people who would be more open to using the Gimp if the development community were screened for religious preferences. I don't see why it's OK to offend the Christian users, but not ok to offend just the 'prudes'. We could fork the project to only include Christian developers, thus... uh... you all *are* getting this is sarcasm, right? Sorry, commenting in this thread is like eating Skittles! Monty ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] The name "Gimp"
I honestly don't see the problem people have with the word. My school-age daughter came home talking about using gimp in school. I thought great, a progressive schoolboard willing to use open source software. Alas, she was referring to gimp, the plastic craft lace. Also known as boondoggle (which in itself has negative connotations) http://www.crazy4crafts.org/2006/08/15/plastic-lacing-gimp-or-boondoggle-scoubidou-designs-craft-ideas-and-web-sites/ If an elementary school doesn't have problems with a word because of other possible definitions of that word, then I can't see why anyone else should. A name is a name is a name. Regardless of past cleverness or intended wordplay, it is what it is, "Gimp". It is the name. Deal with it. -Rob A> ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] The name "Gimp"
Monty Montgomery wrote: > Actually I think there are quite a few people who would be more open > to using the Gimp if the development community were screened for > religious preferences. I don't see why it's OK to offend the > Christian users, but not ok to offend just the 'prudes'. > > We could fork the project to only include Christian developers, > thus... uh... you all *are* getting this is sarcasm, right? > We can't afford to offend anyone, so we need everyone to be Christian, Wiccan, liberal conservatives, and oh, yes, can't offend non-developers, so we need everyone to both be developers and to not be developers. Ok? Patrick p.s. I'm ashamed of myself for posting this. ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] The name "Gimp"
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 09:13:55AM -0400, Monty Montgomery wrote:
> We could fork the project to only include Christian developers,
> thus... uh... you all *are* getting this is sarcasm, right?
Way OT, but speaking of getting in trouble with acronyms, I remember
years ago at law school when someone founded a "Christian Legal
Association" there, and they would post bulletins on the
walls. Somebody (hmmm, wonder who?...) started posting bulletins about
upcoming meetings of the PLO - Pagan Legal Organization.
My 2 cents on the issue; the name doesn't bother me, just as the names
of other programs I use every day such as emacs, mutt, lynx etc do not
bother me. You gotta love mutt's bug list on the manpage ("Mutts don't
have bugs; they have fleas.")
Scott Swanson
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Re: [Gimp-developer] The name "Gimp"
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Scott wrote: > > Way OT, but speaking of getting in trouble with acronyms, I remember > years ago at law school when someone founded a "Christian Legal > Association" there, and they would post bulletins on the > walls. Somebody (hmmm, wonder who?...) started posting bulletins about > upcoming meetings of the PLO - Pagan Legal Organization. OK - so I was determined to ignore this thread, but since we're getting way OT: some years ago a new Christian academy appeared in our city. Unfortunately, they named this institution "First Assembly of God School". Hilarity ensued, in the form of football uniforms and school buses emblazoned with the acronym. The name was promptly changed. Chris ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] The name "Gimp"
Alexia Death wrote: > On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 12:40 PM, David Gowers <00a...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Brendan wrote: >> A list of files that would need modification: >> ... SINP LONG LIST... > > And all of GIMP code. 98% functions are prefixed as gimp. You can try > to grep for gimp on gimp source tree. Forget it. Some English speakers > discomfort at the name is getting a bit ridiculous IMHO. > > A note: The end users don't care what the functions are called. Just the name of the binary, the logo, and the title bar. The discomfort at the name for me has nothing to do with some moral objection. Its about having a product you aren't afraid to advertise. When I start extolling the virtues of open source to my buddies, one of the first three objections I usually get are "but there is no good graphics software like Photoshop." As soon as I say "GIMP," you can see the doubt on their faces, because they associate the word with being weak or lame. If Mozilla's browser today was name "Mozilla Slug," or "Bloat Browser," how many people do think would be wearing the tee-shirt or showing off the desktop wallpaper? People keep saying "the original developers named it GIMP" and that is that. Every heard, though, of the original name of the Linux OS? Torvalds wanted it called "Freaxs." Fortunately, though, the name Linux stuck, and even Linus admitted this was better. -- Christopher Howard http://indicium.us http://theologia.indicium.us signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] The name "Gimp"
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Christopher Howard wrote: > People keep saying "the original developers named it GIMP" and that is > that. Every heard, though, of the original name of the Linux OS? > Torvalds wanted it called "Freaxs." Fortunately, though, the name Linux > stuck, and even Linus admitted this was better. Furthermore, if the original developers still prefer the name GIMP, they are entitled to their own fork! Rockwalrus ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] The name "Gimp"
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Christopher Howard wrote: > Alexia Death wrote: >> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 12:40 PM, David Gowers <00a...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Brendan wrote: >>> A list of files that would need modification: >>> ... SINP LONG LIST... >> >> And all of GIMP code. 98% functions are prefixed as gimp. You can try >> to grep for gimp on gimp source tree. Forget it. Some English speakers >> discomfort at the name is getting a bit ridiculous IMHO. >> >> > > A note: The end users don't care what the functions are called. Just the > name of the binary, the logo, and the title bar. That's sort of beside the point. Having the developers see things differently than the users disincentivizes people to be both users and developers (which is definitely the optimal choice for ongoing improvement of software quality). If the program is called imp but all the functions are gimp_, that introduces cognitive dissonance (which amounts to confusion+annoyance in this case) which discourages the users from developing. > > The discomfort at the name for me has nothing to do with some moral > objection. Its about having a product you aren't afraid to advertise. > When I start extolling the virtues of open source to my buddies, one of > the first three objections I usually get are "but there is no good > graphics software like Photoshop." As soon as I say "GIMP," you can see > the doubt on their faces, because they associate the word with being > weak or lame. > > If Mozilla's browser today was name "Mozilla Slug," or "Bloat Browser," > how many people do think would be wearing the tee-shirt or showing off > the desktop wallpaper? The difference being that slug or bloat are not narrowly-scoped cultural references: almost everyone knows what a slug is, and a majority of computer users end up understanding what bloat is. By comparison, the first time I heard of gimp meaning anything -- except, well, the program we're talking about! .. was a thread here about this very same subject. Others have expressed similar sentiments. You're acting like 'gimp' is a universal English cultural artefact. It's not (it's mainly an American one). It seems to me that such threads simply manufacture means of objection for trolls who don't want to adopt something new, because it's new. ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] The name "Gimp"
On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 13:06 +0200, Alexia Death wrote: > Some English speakers > discomfort at the name is getting a bit ridiculous IMHO. These words make me squirm. fag - a pile of sticks (secondary meaning, rarely used) nigger - a person from a poor background (secondary meaning, almost unheard of) chink - a chink in a chain (primary meaning) speck - a speck of dust (primary meaning) I am sure you have words in your native language, which in general function to isolate someone for being different or not being 'normal'. Do these become any less uncomfortable because someone says they mean it in a different way? ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] ceci n'est pas une selection...
guys, would like to tap the wisdom of this crowd here. say I have made a selection in GIMP, done what needed to be done to the pixels in the selection and now want to get rid of the selection. the obvious way is Select->None. how many more ways are there? --ps founder + principal interaction architect man + machine interface works http://mmiworks.net/blog : on interaction architecture ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] The name "Gimp"
Stephen Griffiths wrote: > On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 13:06 +0200, Alexia Death wrote: > >> Some English speakers >> discomfort at the name is getting a bit ridiculous IMHO. >> > > These words make me squirm. > fag - a pile of sticks (secondary meaning, rarely used) > nigger - a person from a poor background (secondary meaning, almost > unheard of) > chink - a chink in a chain (primary meaning) > speck - a speck of dust (primary meaning) > speck doesn't have an offensive tone to it. However, "spic" may depending upon context. ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] ceci n'est pas une selection...
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 10:59 AM, peter sikking wrote: > guys, > > would like to tap the wisdom of this crowd here. > > say I have made a selection in GIMP, done what needed to be done to the > pixels in the selection and now want to get rid of the selection. > > the obvious way is Select->None. > > how many more ways are there? 1. Use rectangle/ellipse select to select nothing (single click) 2. Activate QMask, drop black on the image, exit QMask 3. Use the Move tool in Selection mode to throw the selection mask off canvas. ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] ceci n'est pas une selection...
On Sat, 2009-10-31 at 01:29 +0100, peter sikking wrote: > how many more ways are there? ctrl+shift+a ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] ceci n'est pas une selection...
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 7:37 PM, David Gowers <00a...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 10:59 AM, peter sikking wrote: >> guys, >> >> would like to tap the wisdom of this crowd here. >> >> say I have made a selection in GIMP, done what needed to be done to the >> pixels in the selection and now want to get rid of the selection. >> >> the obvious way is Select->None. >> >> how many more ways are there? > > 1. Use rectangle/ellipse select to select nothing (single click) > 2. Activate QMask, drop black on the image, exit QMask > 3. Use the Move tool in Selection mode to throw the selection mask off canvas. 4. (or 0 really), CTRL-SHIFT-A. This is what I always do - it makes sense to me. Chris ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] ceci n'est pas une selection...
On Sat, 2009-10-31 at 01:29 +0100, peter sikking wrote: > the obvious way is Select->None. > > how many more ways are there? Save the image as png, quit gimp and restart. :D go to channels dialogue, make an empty channel, and do, channel to selection. (and then go to layers and select a layer in the image) use rectangle tool to marquee round the whole image in "subtract from selection" mode, and press Enter single-click with rectangle tool, outside the image (or ellipse tool probably, but not freehand tool) several others that other people suggested, I generally do shift-control-a. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org www.advogato.org ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] ceci n'est pas une selection...
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Liam R E Quin wrote: > On Sat, 2009-10-31 at 01:29 +0100, peter sikking wrote: > >> the obvious way is Select->None. >> >> how many more ways are there? > > Save the image as png, quit gimp and restart. :D > > go to channels dialogue, make an empty channel, and do, > channel to selection. (and then go to layers and select > a layer in the image) > > use rectangle tool to marquee round the whole image in > "subtract from selection" mode, and press Enter > > single-click with rectangle tool, outside the image (or ellipse tool > probably, but not freehand tool) It doesn't need to be outside the image, just outside the selected area. > > several others that other people suggested, I generally do > shift-control-a. I view that as performing the exact same action as Select->None, which is why I omitted it. ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] Re branding ....
Christopher Howard-3 wrote: > > Its about having a product you aren't afraid to advertise. . As soon > as I say "GIMP," you can see > the doubt on their faces, because they associate the word with being > weak or lame. I agree with this. Many people shy away from using products that aren't mainstream, and have little to do with (or knowledge of) open source software alternatives. There is nothing about the current name that inspires confidence or denotes competence. I think that the time to change the name would be when a release comes out that has an option to run in a single window. This is a major change that people have requested for some time and this new configuration is sure to be discussed widely on the internet. That version could be called something like "Gimp+". Over time this might become shortened in blogs, forums, etc. to "G+", and then a later major release could use that as the name. The whole time, Wilber the mascot would remain basically the same to provide continuity. I'm no ad wizard so I don't claim this is the best naming strategy, but I think it provides an example of how the rebranding process could go. -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/The-name-%22Gimp%22-tp26102353p26139628.html Sent from the Gimp Developer mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Re branding ....
vabijou2 wrote: > Christopher Howard-3 wrote: > >> Its about having a product you aren't afraid to advertise. . As soon >> as I say "GIMP," you can see >> the doubt on their faces, because they associate the word with being >> weak or lame. >> > > I agree with this. Many people shy away from using products that aren't > mainstream, and have little to do with (or knowledge of) open source > software alternatives. There is nothing about the current name that > inspires confidence or denotes competence. > But seriously, neither Adobe's software, nor the GIMP are mainstream products. Most people have never heard of either. The people who would know about them are not going to be bothered by this. Artists and a lot less rigid than most people. Patrick ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] The name "Gimp"
On 10/29/09, Laxminarayan Kamath wrote: > > What about "FreeMI" ? standing for "Freedom to Manipulate Images"? > *if* the GTK people want to rename accordingly, even that would sound > nice "FreeTK" > Whether people are serious about this or not, I am going to revise my suggestion. FreeMI sound like "Free me, I am not currently free" instead, we can add the d after Free from Freedom, and make it "FreedMI" as in "This programme Freed me!" the TK name also would sound nice "FreedTK". -- Laxminarayan Kamath Ammembal http://lankerisms.blogspot.com (+91) 9945036093 ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Re branding ....
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 2:12 PM, vabijou2 wrote: > > > Christopher Howard-3 wrote: >> >> Its about having a product you aren't afraid to advertise. . As soon >> as I say "GIMP," you can see >> the doubt on their faces, because they associate the word with being >> weak or lame. > > I agree with this. Many people shy away from using products that aren't > mainstream, and have little to do with (or knowledge of) open source I have to agree that Photoshop *is* mainstream to the degree that image editing is -- as a verb at least.. people use PAINT.NET or whatever and say they 'photoshopped' it. I think Patrick is missing that 'mainstreamness' is relative (theres 'mainstream for the culture', 'mainstream for artists in that culture', 'mainstream for digital artists in that culture', 'mainstream for pixel artists in that culture'.. these levels of detail nest to produce the overall context in which something can be said to be mainstream or not. > software alternatives. There is nothing about the current name that > inspires confidence or denotes competence. Personally I don't recall ever encountering a program whose name inspired confidence or denoted competence to me, in this out-of-context way you are talking about. Except perhaps Lotus 1-2-3. For example, the following inspire confidence in me and I feel they are competent. Perhaps they have some common factor, I think it's more likely that it's just an understanding of how they work (and that that way is a good way to work) that inspires confidence and 'denotes' competence Python IPython PyTables NumPy SciPy Allegro Grafx2 Charm DosBox Lua Inkscape FontForge SQLite Lynx Midnight-Commander Thunar It looks like there is a 'Mildly witty' theme going there, along with a preference for literality and brevity. OTOH it could be simply that witty, literal-minded people tend to produce software I find competent. > > I think that the time to change the name would be when a release comes out > that has an option to run in a single window. This is a major change that > people have requested for some time and this new configuration is sure to be > discussed widely on the internet. That version could be called something > like "Gimp+". Over time this might become shortened in blogs, forums, etc. > to "G+", 'jeeples'? lol. I'm sure the FSF people would like it :) How do we verb it though? jeepling? BWAHAHAHAHAHA. (more seriously, G+ is extremely close to the name of the gnu C++ compiler, G++) At the 'G+' point, the major internal renaming would need to take place, and that would require far more developers and far more organization than the GIMP project currently has. Even simply switching from GIMP to GIMP+ (I'm -1 on 'Gimp+') would involve considerable effort (mainly in keeping I18N current). > and then a later major release could use that as the name. The > whole time, Wilber the mascot would remain basically the same to provide > continuity. I'm no ad wizard so I don't claim this is the best naming > strategy, but I think it provides an example of how the rebranding process > could go. ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
