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Re: gimp 1.1.31-32 BUG

2000-12-21 Thread Sven Neumann

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I have just downloaded 1.1.31 and 1.1.32 patches from ftp.gimp.org
 
 I notice that 'TODO' file has been updated to show some things that will
 happen with Gimp.
 
 However, I don't see any mention of "improved keyboard operation",
 i.e. the stuff that generated quite a bit of hate mail on this exact list
 a few weeks ago.  I have to admit though, as soon as the discussion
 shifted into intelligent suggestions, everyone dropped out real quick.
 
 Still, I think being able to operate a program from keyboard is very
 important even if this program is a mouse-oriented graphics tool.
 
 Especially since it has been mentioned in the last few posts on this
 subject that this would affect things like shortcuts, and cause them to be
 reassigned using common sense, and not first-come-first-serve method that
 has been used up until now.
 
 I hope this bug gets fixed as soon as possible! :

first of all we need some changed in GTK+. So you would probably do better
by sending a mail to gtk-developer mailing-list. Of course you are right and 
the keyboard stuff should go into the TODO. I'll try to remember adding this
the next time we touch the TODO.


Salut, Sven



Re: GIMP-1.1.31: Where is gone spheredesigner?

2000-12-21 Thread Marco Lamberto

On 20 Dec 2000, Michael Natterer wrote:
 The Makefile in po-plug-ins requires the missing spheredesigner.c source in
 plug-ins/common.
Hi Marco,
this is fixed in CVS.
Thanks, but was really removed the spheredesigner.c plug-in?
The PLUGIN_MAINTAINERS still holds its name and author.
Regards,
Marco
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Request to make a UltraFractal clone

2000-12-21 Thread Paul Nnw

Please make a UltraFractal clone.
UltraFractal is a program who draws many fractals. All the power of the
program stays only in some scripts with fractal formulas, coloring methods
so it is not hard(for an experieced program) to write (or to modify an
existent) formula parser. All types of features who exists in UltraFractal
exists also in The GIMP too (eg. Alpha Channel support, Layers, etc), so
they can be "linked" toghether to produce all fractals from UltraFractal.
All thing is to be done is a formula interpreter that interprets all
formulas/parameter, I think that you don't need to know much about fractals
because, like I said, all formulas/types are in external scripts.
Please test UltraFractal (www.ultrafractal.com) to see that even if the images 
obtained from it are great, it will be not very hard to "clone" it on GIMP.
After instll it please see the *.ucl, *.ufm, *.uxf files from the
UltraFractal directory or read the "UltraFractal programming" help.
Even if you'll make only a formula intrepreter (without interface) it will
be great. 
I recomand to do this as a "The Gimp" PLUG-IN.
If you'll do this, The Gimp will be known also as "the best fractal
rendering tool"; a good reason for this is also the post-rendering
retouching capabilities in The GIMP (I mean after you render a fractal you can 
modify
the image with paint tools from The Gimp) who doesn't exists in
UltraFractal.
Unfortunately, UltraFractal is not free :-(, so if you'll make a clone of it
you'll give to us the freedom
Please make it; you'll make many people happy.
Thank you very much.
Paul.




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Re: Request to make a UltraFractal clone

2000-12-21 Thread Robert L Krawitz

Please feel free to write this plugin.

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Re: Request to make a UltraFractal clone

2000-12-21 Thread James Smaby

Take a look at the existing fractal explorer in Filters-Render-Pattern.
I think this basically does what you want.  It doesn't support arbitrary
functions (I bet you could code in your own if you really wanted to), but
has quite a few options, and I imagine it could produce (with help from
the rest of the gimp) any of the images UltraFractal can make.  The author
has a quick tutorial here:
http://www.multimania.com/cotting/fractalexplorer_en.html
(it's for an older version, but it still helps).
-James Smaby



Re: divide by 255

2000-12-21 Thread Marc Lehmann

On Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 08:19:01PM +, Nick Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Eerily similar to your hack and to the one from Marc. For me (PII 300,
 AMD Duron 700) and for the other hackers on that Moz bug who checked
 it _was_ faster than the GCC emitted alternate, but Marc's numbers

Oh, one thing: did you use unsigned integers? signed integers *are* much
slower since they need adjustments all over.

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Re: gimp 1.1.31-32 BUG

2000-12-21 Thread Lourens Veen

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I have just downloaded 1.1.31 and 1.1.32 patches from ftp.gimp.org
 
 I notice that 'TODO' file has been updated to show some things that will
 happen with Gimp.
 
 However, I don't see any mention of "improved keyboard operation",
 i.e. the stuff that generated quite a bit of hate mail on this exact list
 a few weeks ago.  I have to admit though, as soon as the discussion
 shifted into intelligent suggestions, everyone dropped out real quick.

1) That would be the TODO from the 1.1 series then?
1) 1.1 is in feature-freeze now
 +
2) Improved keyboard operation won't be fixed in 1.1,
and thus it's not on the TODO list.

I haven't downloaded 1.1.31 yet so I may be wrong on the first
assumption, in which case this argument doesn't work. 

Lourens



Re: gimp 1.1.31-32 BUG

2000-12-21 Thread Lourens Veen

Apparently Sven's mail about this took 6 hours to reach me, so ignore
this one please.

Lourens

 and thus it's not on the TODO list.
 Lourens



mail problem

2000-12-21 Thread Marc Lehmann

It seems that I am unable to send mail to gimp.org anymore:

  [EMAIL PROTECTED]|[EMAIL PROTECTED]|[EMAIL PROTECTED]
SMTP error from remote mailer after RCPT TO
host mail.gimp.org [128.32.45.176]: 550-See URL:http://mail-abuse.org/dul/
550 mail from 193.159.127.206 rejected: administrative prohibition


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Problem building an gimp-1.1.32 RPM

2000-12-21 Thread Henning Sauer

Hello,

today I tried to build a an rpm of gimp-1.1.32 from the source via
"rpm -ta gimp-1.1.32.tar.bz2", but it didn't work because in the
installation phase it couldn't find the gimp executable in the
/usr/bin directory under BuildRoot. Instead the gimp exectuable as
well as the plug-ins, modules and libraries where directly installed
to /usr.
Is their a way to correct this behaviour and build an RPM ?

My configuration:
RedHat 7.0/i386

Bye,
Henning




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Pupus pipeline: what Adam has been doing, etc. etc.

2000-12-21 Thread Adam D. Moss


Right.  If anyone knows or remembers who I am, they might
wonder what I've been up to for the past six months
since GimpCon 2000.  =)  If so, thanks for caring -- sit
back and I'll tell you!

Primarily, I'll admit, I've been busy with my super-mundane
day job, and diffused much of my remaining time with scattered
hackings.

/(** %   Oh, bad dog.  Really.  Quite awful.
 '  `

GIMPwise however, apart from minor ambient maintainence and
musings I have been busy with two things:

1) "pquant", a terrifying colour-reduction algorithm probably
doomed to perpetual experimentation.

2) "pupus", an image-processing scheduler and propogation
framework.  This is squarely aimed at GIMP 2.0.

I'd mostly like to explain what "pupus" is about.  The name is a
working title and is short for "PUll-PUSh".  The project has
grown out of the ideas I hashed together in the airport waiting
to fly to GimpCon 2000 and attempted to present for about
eight hours (or four minutes when you factor out the rabbit-in-
headlights panicking; never fear that I shall do a presentation
again).

If you're not familiar with the original proposal then shame
on you!  I *slap* you!  Yet I cannot blame you, and it's okay because
things have changed a great deal.
  ,
'()') baaa  That's a sheep to make sure you're still awake.
 || ||  She'll be keeping an eye on you.  Be wary.

The somewhat-simplified idea common to both proposals is that a
list/tree of little black boxes is set up, where images get
fed into the tree at the bottom, get chewed up by the black boxes
through which they are sequentially sent, and at the end of
the line comes a result.  If you think of the black boxes as
analogous to plug-ins or compositing operators then you'll see
that you've basically got a generalized way for a program to
conceptually project a layer-stack, spin an image around and
blur it -- whatever.  Have the right black boxes at hand, connect
them up just /so/, push in the desired source image(s) and wait
for your beautiful beautiful output to spew forth from the end
of the chain.

In reality the devil is, as always, in the detail.

What, exactly, are we feeding into these black boxes?  Whence?
By what mechanism?  Who owns these 'images' that we're
transferring around?  What constitutes a black box, both physically
and in terms of the interfaces used to poke it with?  How would
we, say, tell a 'blur' box what radius of blur we desire?

How do we know when we've connected a black box's inputs and
outputs 'right'?  Can we set up a cyclic graph within the system?
What happens if we do?  In what order do things happen?  How would we
facilitate incremental rendering?  Can we retroactively revise
data already pushed into the pipeline?  Who is the man behind the
curtain?  How can we improve the user experience?  How do you stop
this crazy thing?

 _ ||_||
8: ) _  )~The roadkill pig of puzzlement knows not.
 ~ || ||

The list is much longer than that.

Well, now I have a revised design and honest-to-goodness embryonic
prototype code, taking into account comments and suggestions from
GimpCon 2000 and various ideas from the intervening six months.

In difference to the earlier proposal:

1) We're not going crazy on the resource-contention-avoidance malarky.
Hopefully that just drops out as a natural side-effect of the resource
ownership model.  There is no explicit resource-lockdown upon black-box
startup.

2) This time we support, nay, encourage in-place rendering and minimized
copying where plausible.

3) We're a lot friendlier towards black boxes who can't/won't work
on a 'regions on demand' basis.

4) Aborting a task pipeline is easier.

5) Changes to geometry (width, height, offsetting) figure into the
grand scheme.

6) We can spontaneously invalidate image regions from upstream while
they are still being processed downstream.

7) Latches and feedback-loops within the system might be facilitated
with a little more effort.  Some of the possibilities seemed too cool
to pass-up.

. o O () O o . o O () O o . o O () O o . 

As the implementation stands,

1) We are toolkit-agnostic.  At the core we deal with tasks and
resources, not a user-interface.

2) We are transport-agnostic.  Only one transport-type is implemented
so far and even then not as cleanly as I'd like, but in theory we
can quite easily invoke these 'black boxes' (called 'steps' within the
code) on remote machines via CORBA or Convergence's GCim (?).

3) Black boxes are instantiated from factories implemented as .so files.
These are dynamically discovered at runtime.  These are currently
dynamically-linked to the main application at discovery-time but (in
theory...) can trivially be dynamically-linked to an alternative
transport
shim and hence run from within a different address space or indeed a
different physical machine.

4) A few black boxes have been written for testing purposes.  All
interfaces are continually in flux and are slowly being pared down to
their essentials.

5) 

Re: Pupus pipeline: what Adam has been doing, etc. etc.

2000-12-21 Thread Lourens Veen

That sounds good, very good. Does that mean that I will get my layer
tree instead of layer stack as well? (from your mail I gather that it's
possible but depends on the UI implementation). Being a programmer I
wouldn't object to the connect-boxes-with-lines model, perhaps it should
still be a possibility..


Lourens