Re: [Gimp-developer] New GIMP configure warning/error

[Jehan Pagès]

Hi,

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 8:53 PM, Partha Bagchi  wrote:
> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine <
> alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 9:34 PM, Partha Bagchi wrote:
>>
>> > I am perplexed to see that we need glib-networking suddenly since my git
>> > pull from a couple of days ago? Is there a reason to requiring glib
>> > networking support?
>>
>> To quote from https://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/commit/?id=
>> bb196607693b2a8fa95f033966506cbf3c377d81
>>
>> "Use a code test inspired by libsoup configure test. This is a hard
>> dependency because HTTPS should not be considered an option anymore.
>> Nowadays most websites will use HTTPS by default, HTTP gives SEO
>> penalties and browsers are starting to display various security
>> warnings on HTTP websites. Also the experience will be significantly
>> degraded without SSL/TLS support since the help browser will fail to
>> load the manual remotely, and opening various remote files on secure
>> protocols will fail. Note: the test cannot be performed while
>> cross-compiling. In this case, we will just display a warning for
>> packagers to be at least well aware of this dependency."
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> Yes, I read the quote but am still perplexed. the only (?) place we need
> http/https support is to load images from an URI? Is it not sufficient to
> make that optional instead of introducing one more dependency?

No, there are at least 2 features affected: open remote files indeed
and the help browser (help will fail showing with an error since our
websites are now https only). This last one was getting quite a lot of
report on the tracker and was very bad experience.
Anyway nowadays https is the standard for web access. Not supporting
this is not acceptable IMO.

Jehan

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Re: [Gimp-developer] New GIMP configure warning/error

[Alexandre Prokoudine]

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 9:53 PM, Partha Bagchi wrote:

>> warnings on HTTP websites. Also the experience will be significantly
>> degraded without SSL/TLS support since the help browser will fail to
>> load the manual remotely, and opening various remote files on secure
>> protocols will fail. Note: the test cannot be performed while
>> cross-compiling. In this case, we will just display a warning for
>> packagers to be at least well aware of this dependency."
>>
>> Yes, I read the quote but am still perplexed. the only (?) place we need
> http/https support is to load images from an URI?

Jehan explicitly mentioned at least two reasons in the quote above. I
really have no foggiest idea why you only see one.

Alex
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Re: [Gimp-developer] New GIMP configure warning/error

[Jehan Pagès]

Hi,

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 8:34 PM, Partha Bagchi  wrote:
> I am getting the following warning:
>
>> WARNING: Your GTK+ version is 2.24.31.
>>  The recommended GTK+ version under Windows is 2.24.32 or over.
>>  If you continue without updating GTK+, shortcuts won't work with
>>  non-latin locales, and vector icons will be disabled.

This is not new at all but has been so for a few months for the Windows build.
See commit b73458632.

> According to http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/gtk+/2.24/, the latest
> version is 2.24.31. So, does gtk+ need to be compiled from git to make this
> warning go away?

It won't even. The git version is 2.24.31 even in the gtk-2-24 branch.
It seems like there is no development version bump for the micro
version in GTK+. This said, using the git version would still get you
the fix that is warned about (even though the warning still displays,
but since there was no dev version bump, we can't do without).

The fix will be officially released in a stable GTK+ version with
2.24.32. We just took some advance (since it is master and only a
warning, that's acceptable).

> Secondly, I am getting the following error:
>
>> Error: GIMP configuration failed.
>>   - Error: missing dependency glib-networking
>>   *** Test for glib-networking failed. This is required.
>
>
> I am perplexed to see that we need glib-networking suddenly since my git
> pull from a couple of days ago? Is there a reason to requiring glib
> networking support?

Alexandre answered to this. The commit message is indeed verbose
enough to explain why we decided that it should be a mandatory
dependency. :)

Jehan

> Thanks,
> Partha
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Re: [Gimp-developer] New GIMP configure warning/error

[Partha Bagchi]

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine <
alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 9:34 PM, Partha Bagchi wrote:
>
> > I am perplexed to see that we need glib-networking suddenly since my git
> > pull from a couple of days ago? Is there a reason to requiring glib
> > networking support?
>
> To quote from https://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/commit/?id=
> bb196607693b2a8fa95f033966506cbf3c377d81
>
> "Use a code test inspired by libsoup configure test. This is a hard
> dependency because HTTPS should not be considered an option anymore.
> Nowadays most websites will use HTTPS by default, HTTP gives SEO
> penalties and browsers are starting to display various security
> warnings on HTTP websites. Also the experience will be significantly
> degraded without SSL/TLS support since the help browser will fail to
> load the manual remotely, and opening various remote files on secure
> protocols will fail. Note: the test cannot be performed while
> cross-compiling. In this case, we will just display a warning for
> packagers to be at least well aware of this dependency."
>
> Alex
>
> Yes, I read the quote but am still perplexed. the only (?) place we need
http/https support is to load images from an URI? Is it not sufficient to
make that optional instead of introducing one more dependency?
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Re: [Gimp-developer] New GIMP configure warning/error

[Alexandre Prokoudine]

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 9:34 PM, Partha Bagchi wrote:

> I am perplexed to see that we need glib-networking suddenly since my git
> pull from a couple of days ago? Is there a reason to requiring glib
> networking support?

To quote from 
https://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/commit/?id=bb196607693b2a8fa95f033966506cbf3c377d81

"Use a code test inspired by libsoup configure test. This is a hard
dependency because HTTPS should not be considered an option anymore.
Nowadays most websites will use HTTPS by default, HTTP gives SEO
penalties and browsers are starting to display various security
warnings on HTTP websites. Also the experience will be significantly
degraded without SSL/TLS support since the help browser will fail to
load the manual remotely, and opening various remote files on secure
protocols will fail. Note: the test cannot be performed while
cross-compiling. In this case, we will just display a warning for
packagers to be at least well aware of this dependency."

Alex
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Re: [Gimp-developer] IRC?

[Jehan Pagès]

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 8:26 PM, Simon Budig  wrote:
> Jehan Pagès (jehan.marmott...@gmail.com) wrote:
>> What's up with the IRC channel?
>
> We had a mass join/spam event happening.   :-(
>
> The restrictions will be lifted hopefully soon. send a private message
> to someone of the regulars to get invited into the channel.

Yeah I have been invited back. Thanks!

>> I just come back from shopping, and now I can't connect.
>> It says:
>>
>> 20:14 -!- Cannot join to channel #gimp (You must be invited)
>
> That'll teach you to leave the channel!!!1!   :)

Ahahah! I actually didn't leave (on purpose) the channel but since I
was out, the laptop went to sleep by itself. Hence I left by timeout.
:P

Jehan

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> Bye,
> Simon
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Re: [Gimp-developer] IRC?

[Simon Budig]

Jehan Pagès (jehan.marmott...@gmail.com) wrote:
> What's up with the IRC channel?

We had a mass join/spam event happening.   :-(

The restrictions will be lifted hopefully soon. send a private message
to someone of the regulars to get invited into the channel.

> I just come back from shopping, and now I can't connect.
> It says:
> 
> 20:14 -!- Cannot join to channel #gimp (You must be invited)

That'll teach you to leave the channel!!!1!   :)

Bye,
Simon

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[Gimp-developer] New GIMP configure warning/error

[Partha Bagchi]

I am getting the following warning:

> WARNING: Your GTK+ version is 2.24.31.
>  The recommended GTK+ version under Windows is 2.24.32 or over.
>  If you continue without updating GTK+, shortcuts won't work with
>  non-latin locales, and vector icons will be disabled.


According to http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/gtk+/2.24/, the latest
version is 2.24.31. So, does gtk+ need to be compiled from git to make this
warning go away?

Secondly, I am getting the following error:

> Error: GIMP configuration failed.
>   - Error: missing dependency glib-networking
>   *** Test for glib-networking failed. This is required.


I am perplexed to see that we need glib-networking suddenly since my git
pull from a couple of days ago? Is there a reason to requiring glib
networking support?

Thanks,
Partha
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Re: [Gimp-developer] IRC?

[Americo Gobbo]

Hi,
me too, after the lunch.
but in my case, hexchat was doing something strange... scrolling a big 
list of users.

It seems, that I have seen a message about... being hacking :(
americo

On 11-05-2017 15:17, Jehan Pagès wrote:

Hi,

What's up with the IRC channel?
I just come back from shopping, and now I can't connect.
It says:

20:14 -!- Cannot join to channel #gimp (You must be invited)

Jehan


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[Gimp-developer] IRC?

[Jehan Pagès]

Hi,

What's up with the IRC channel?
I just come back from shopping, and now I can't connect.
It says:

20:14 -!- Cannot join to channel #gimp (You must be invited)

Jehan

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Re: [Gimp-developer] simmetry differences

[Marco Ciampa via gimp-developer-list]

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 02:55:17AM +0200, Jehan Pagès wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 1:29 PM, Marco Ciampa via gimp-developer-list
>  wrote:
> > Hello devs!
> >
> > A few little doubts in simmetry painting.
> >
> > 1) having both horizontal and vertical mirror simmetry painting that you
> > can enable individually and at the same time, what is for the central
> > simmetry for?
> 
> Well have you tried? If you have an horizontal and a vertical
> symmetry, you get 3 points, very often you want a fourth one (the
> central symmetry). But I have not made it automatic since maybe not.
> Who knows? I know other software would imply the central symmetry if
> you do horizontal + vertical, but I don't see this as that obvious.
> Also you may also want only the central symmetry.

Gosh I tried but not noted the 3 points instead of four, sorry!

> 
> > 2) what is "disable brush transform" for?
> 
> Copying an answer I made a few day ago:
> 
> When you transform the drawing, the brush itself will end up
> transformed as well. For instance, in a mirror transform, not only
> will your drawing on the right of the canvas be mirrored on the left,
> but the brush itself is obviously "flipped" on the left.
> If for some reason, you wanted the drawn lines to be mirrored (or
> other transformation) but not the brush outline itself, you could
> check this box.
> 
> For obvious reason, you won't see it with symmetrical brushes though.
> That's likely why you don't see the effect because many default
> brushes are symmetrical.

Well, by bad again. I tried with the "Pencil scratch" brush thinking it
was asimmetrical but it clearly isn't (I do not know why, though), with
"Sand Dunes (AP)" it works.

Sorry for the noise!


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